Re: Jeep Laredo

[Ext User(David Z)]

"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
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> "David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Why on earth would Hudsons life be at risk in prison? What makes him any
>> different to any other murderer in prison? As far as I know, he hasn't
>> done anything to upset any rival gang or anything.
>
> Shooting innocent people tends to get your frowned upon. Killing a good
> samaritan father of 3 more so. I guess you should google someone like
> Jeffery Dahmer and see what happened to him in the nick.

It's *prison* for Christ's sake! It's chock full of people who have
murdered and raped innocent people.

[Ext User(David Z)]

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>> "Daryl Walford" <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>> "David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>> Well I guess according to you bikie gang members must be getting soft
>>>>> these days, if they're driving around in CRVs...
>>>> The point went right over your head, as usual.
>>>>
>>>> To put it another way, the fact that a CR-V is probably the last
>>>> vehicle you'd associate with a member of a bikie gang is probably
>>>> precisely why he drove one.
>>> He didn't drive a CRV, it belonged to the girl.
>>
>> Dead wrong. The CRV had NSW plates - HUDSON was from NSW, fool! The
>> girl he assaulted, as far as I know, is Victorian... why on earth she
>> have NSW plates?
> Because thats where she lived until 2 weeks ago.

OK... maybe I was thinking of the other girl. The whole story is actually
very confusing.

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"David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's *prison* for Christ's sake! It's chock full of people who have
> murdered and raped innocent people.

It is, but even so there is a "code" amongst certain types that takes a dim
view of "civilians" being gunned down for no good reason.

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[Ext User(Athol)]

Noddy <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote:
> "David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> It's *prison* for Christ's sake! It's chock full of people who have
>> murdered and raped innocent people.

> It is, but even so there is a "code" amongst certain types that takes a dim
> view of "civilians" being gunned down for no good reason.

You're forgetting that you're talking to David Z. He probably isn't
capable of understanding the concept of prison and underworld morality.

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[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> You're forgetting that you're talking to David Z. He probably isn't
> capable of understanding the concept of prison and underworld morality.

To be honest, I don't think he's capable of understanding much more than
what any 5 year old kid could grasp.

He seems to have lead an amazingly sheltered life.

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[Ext User(Athol)]

Noddy <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote:
> "Athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>> You're forgetting that you're talking to David Z. He probably isn't
>> capable of understanding the concept of prison and underworld morality.

> To be honest, I don't think he's capable of understanding much more than
> what any 5 year old kid could grasp.

My son will turn 4 in just over a week. I'd say that David Z is closer
to a 3yo than a 5yo.

> He seems to have lead an amazingly sheltered life.

I don't think that the term "sheltered" does him justice. :-)

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[Ext User(John McKenzie)]

Athol wrote:
>
> Noddy <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote:
> > "David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> It's *prison* for Christ's sake! It's chock full of people who have
> >> murdered and raped innocent people.
>
> > It is, but even so there is a "code" amongst certain types that takes a dim
> > view of "civilians" being gunned down for no good reason.
>
> You're forgetting that you're talking to David Z. He probably isn't
> capable of understanding the concept of prison and underworld morality.

Considering his feelings on rape victims being sluts, and that there's
nothing wrong with prostitution, and that it's legitimate to hate
someone based on race or (groan) sexual orientation, it's probably more
accurate to say he's incapable of grasping morality, period.

He can be summed up "me me me, I'm so good...oh what, you are so much
better that you show me up for the retard I am, well you must be gay or
black'"

Remember his answer when queried as to what (if anything) he contributes
to society, and his answer was that he was a consumer and bought
things.... I keep hoping he's an elaborate troll, because the
alternative is laughble.

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[Ext User(David Z)]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "David Z" <dave@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> It's *prison* for Christ's sake! It's chock full of people who have
>> murdered and raped innocent people.
>
> It is, but even so there is a "code" amongst certain types that takes a
> dim view of "civilians" being gunned down for no good reason.

I also thought there was a "code" amongst the prisoners of 'dont ask dont
tell' where you don't bother another prisoner about what they've done on the
outside unless they want to share?

[Ext User(Athol)]

Noddy <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote:
> "Athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>> My son will turn 4 in just over a week.

> *Shit* that's gone quick, although I don't expect it feels like it has to
> you :)

Life in pergatory runs very slowly. Irrespective of the fact that I love
my son (not like that you fecking queer cunts), I now understand and agree
with the woman who wrote a book a few years ago saying that having a child
had destroyed her marriage. When I saw her being interviewed on TV, I
thought that she was insane. Now I know better...

Before he was born, my wife and I seriously expected to have a 2nd child
about 2 years after the first. 4 years on, there is no decision on whether
we will have a 2nd at all.

>> I'd say that David Z is closer to a 3yo than a 5yo.

> I'm with ya'.

It really is sad. To be more precise, *he* really is sad...

>> I don't think that the term "sheltered" does him justice. :-)

> In some ways I kinda feel sorry for the guy, as I genuinely don't think he's
> clever enough to be the kind of troll he'd need to be to explain his posts.
> I couldn't imagine going through life being as obviously ignorant to what
> goes on in the world as he is.

> Still, I get over it quick though. Fuck him :)

That's more like it. :-)

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[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Before he was born, my wife and I seriously expected to have a 2nd child
> about 2 years after the first. 4 years on, there is no decision on
> whether
> we will have a 2nd at all.

It can be a very trying experience, and I'm currently being reminded of what
it's like.

My youngest is ten weeks old, yet already he's had a urinary tract
infection, gastro, and is in the middle of a growth spurt that's seeing him
put on around half a kilo a week. He's had a bit of a tough time, and
particularly with the infection that saw him have IV's and cathetas which is
extremely stressing as a parent to watch a young baby be put through that
shit.

Still, it's all worth it when he looks at you and smiles :)

> That's more like it. :-)

It's not like I'm losing sleep over him or anything :)

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[Ext User(Athol)]

John McKenzie <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> Athol wrote:

>> You're forgetting that you're talking to David Z. He probably isn't
>> capable of understanding the concept of prison and underworld morality.

> Considering his feelings on rape victims being sluts, and that there's
> nothing wrong with prostitution, and that it's legitimate to hate
> someone based on race or (groan) sexual orientation, it's probably more
> accurate to say he's incapable of grasping morality, period.

True. He really doesn't appear to understand the basis of it.

> He can be summed up "me me me, I'm so good...oh what, you are so much
> better that you show me up for the retard I am, well you must be gay or
> black'"

Bugger. I've just about got the web site set up to post a link to
to claim that it's me and see if David Z and JJT believe it. We got
some really good photos of a crossdresser who looks a bit like me.
Now I'll have to find some photos of a crossdressed black guy instead.
:-)

> Remember his answer when queried as to what (if anything) he contributes
> to society, and his answer was that he was a consumer and bought
> things.... I keep hoping he's an elaborate troll, because the
> alternative is laughble.

The scary part, which Noddy alluded to, is that the consistency says
that he really is that stupid, self centred, etc.. Yes, it's
laughable in a sad sort of way...

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[Ext User(Scotty)]

"Athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Noddy <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote:
>> "Athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> My son will turn 4 in just over a week.
>
>> *Shit* that's gone quick, although I don't expect it feels like it has to
>> you :)
>
> Life in pergatory runs very slowly. Irrespective of the fact that I love
> my son (not like that you fecking queer cunts), I now understand and agree
> with the woman who wrote a book a few years ago saying that having a child
> had destroyed her marriage. When I saw her being interviewed on TV, I
> thought that she was insane. Now I know better...

Sanity is only seen from outside a relationship. Im sure that after our
second child that a few sane points dropped away to the back of the brain to
be restored only once they leave home ;o)

>
> Before he was born, my wife and I seriously expected to have a 2nd child
> about 2 years after the first. 4 years on, there is no decision on
> whether
> we will have a 2nd at all.
>

It doesnt get easier at number three either Athol.

>>> I'd say that David Z is closer to a 3yo than a 5yo.
>
>> I'm with ya'.
>
> It really is sad. To be more precise, *he* really is sad...
>
>>> I don't think that the term "sheltered" does him justice. :-)
>
>> In some ways I kinda feel sorry for the guy, as I genuinely don't think
>> he's
>> clever enough to be the kind of troll he'd need to be to explain his
>> posts.
>> I couldn't imagine going through life being as obviously ignorant to what
>> goes on in the world as he is.
>
>> Still, I get over it quick though. Fuck him :)
>
> That's more like it. :-)
>
> --
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[Ext User(Daryl Walford)]

Athol wrote:
> Noddy <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote:
>> "Athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> My son will turn 4 in just over a week.
>
>> *Shit* that's gone quick, although I don't expect it feels like it has to
>> you :)
>
> Life in pergatory runs very slowly. Irrespective of the fact that I love
> my son (not like that you fecking queer cunts), I now understand and agree
> with the woman who wrote a book a few years ago saying that having a child
> had destroyed her marriage. When I saw her being interviewed on TV, I
> thought that she was insane. Now I know better...
>
> Before he was born, my wife and I seriously expected to have a 2nd child
> about 2 years after the first. 4 years on, there is no decision on whether
> we will have a 2nd at all.

Unless he has a disability I don't get it.
Little ones are no trouble at all, at least you know where they are.
If you think a 4 yr old is a problem you are in for a shock when he's a
teenager or later when he goes to uni and thinks that you only exist for
what you can do for him:-(



Daryl



Daryl

[Ext User(Athol)]

Daryl Walford <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote:

> Unless he has a disability I don't get it.

The opposite, actually. He's "gifted".

> Little ones are no trouble at all, at least you know where they are.

Simple, really.

Numerous people, particularly relatives, offered to mind him before he
was born. None of them came through. Not one, until mothers day this
year when my mother offered to mind him for a few hours, which she has
done perhaps 5 times since.

Up until then, the longest that my wife and I had been alone together
without him since he was born was to go out and watch a movie. Now,
we each do our own thing while he's out.

My wife's personality has changed noticably for the worse and I think
that she knows it. Mine has changed somewhat too, but nowhere nearly
as much because I'm not with him *all the fecking time*.

> If you think a 4 yr old is a problem you are in for a shock when he's a
> teenager or later when he goes to uni and thinks that you only exist for
> what you can do for him:-(

Yet more reason to not have a 2nd one. It's going to be bad enough
having one do that!

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[Ext User(ant)]

Athol wrote:

> Up until then, the longest that my wife and I had been alone together
> without him since he was born was to go out and watch a movie. Now,
> we each do our own thing while he's out.
>
> My wife's personality has changed noticably for the worse and I think
> that she knows it. Mine has changed somewhat too, but nowhere nearly
> as much because I'm not with him *all the fecking time*.

Hmmm. It's evident that you guys aren't happy with the entire situation,
and the changes to how you live.

Kids are fulltime, 24 hours a day. I decided when I was very young not to
have any, as I didn't like them and didn't want them. I guess I'm wondering
(and feeling very sorry for both of you, in this situation), what were your
expectations, and from that, why did you decide to have a kid?
Had you minded any kids of other people, or spent significant time with kids
(especially infants)?

I'm not trying to have a go at you, it's just you're living my nightmare,
and most parents wouldn't admit to how you're feeling, although through my
observations of some of them, they plainly feel as you do.

> Yet more reason to not have a 2nd one. It's going to be bad enough
> having one do that!

You (both of you) should definitely not have any more kids.

I'm interested in why you'd even entertain the thought?

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Athol wrote:
> Daryl Walford <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote:
>
>> Unless he has a disability I don't get it.
>
> The opposite, actually. He's "gifted".
>
>> Little ones are no trouble at all, at least you know where they are.
>
> Simple, really.
>
> Numerous people, particularly relatives, offered to mind him before he
> was born. None of them came through. Not one, until mothers day this
> year when my mother offered to mind him for a few hours, which she has
> done perhaps 5 times since.
>
> Up until then, the longest that my wife and I had been alone together
> without him since he was born was to go out and watch a movie. Now,
> we each do our own thing while he's out.
>
> My wife's personality has changed noticably for the worse and I think
> that she knows it. Mine has changed somewhat too, but nowhere nearly
> as much because I'm not with him *all the fecking time*.
>
>> If you think a 4 yr old is a problem you are in for a shock when he's a
>> teenager or later when he goes to uni and thinks that you only exist for
>> what you can do for him:-(
>
> Yet more reason to not have a 2nd one. It's going to be bad enough
> having one do that!
>
Now you know why so many halves of a couple just up and leave .
Sad but true

[Ext User(Athol)]

ant <mrjideogundaremanager20@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> Athol wrote:

> Kids are fulltime, 24 hours a day. I decided when I was very young not to
> have any, as I didn't like them and didn't want them. I guess I'm wondering
> (and feeling very sorry for both of you, in this situation), what were your
> expectations, and from that, why did you decide to have a kid?

As I mentioned, we were given the impression that we'd have the level of
family support that really is needed but when it came to the crunch, it
simply didn't happen.

In fact, to some extent we've got the opposite. My inlaws essentially
demand that we visit with him once every week, but that we stay there
with him. He enjoys the visit and looks forward to it but it wastes one
full night every week. I think that my wife likes it because she doesn't
do the driving and doesn't have to cook.

> Had you minded any kids of other people, or spent significant time with kids
> (especially infants)?

Yep. Doesn't prepare you for the consistent aggravation... When they
are someone else's, you can hand them back.

I've only recently realised that my wife doesn't have as much experience
as I do with younger children. I'm having to spend a bit of time looking
at what he's doing when she goes off at him because sometimes he's doing
something that's completely normal for his age but she doesn't realise it.

> I'm not trying to have a go at you, it's just you're living my nightmare,
> and most parents wouldn't admit to how you're feeling, although through my
> observations of some of them, they plainly feel as you do.

Being up front about things is the first step in sorting out the problems.

While typing this, I had a discussion with my wife about getting our son
into pre-school. Hopefully, he'll be starting mid-year, which should be
at least some relief at home.

>> Yet more reason to not have a 2nd one. It's going to be bad enough
>> having one do that!

> You (both of you) should definitely not have any more kids.

> I'm interested in why you'd even entertain the thought?

As far as I was concerned, it was already decided that we wouldn't be
having another. I've even told some of the family who failed to come
through with help that it was that lack of help that is why we won't be
having another one.

Then, when directly asked about a week ago, my wife quietly said yes,
she does intend to have another...

Leaves me considering getting the snip.

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[Ext User(John McKenzie)]

Athol wrote:
>
> True. He really doesn't appear to understand the basis of it.
>
> > He can be summed up "me me me, I'm so good...oh what, you are so much
> > better that you show me up for the retard I am, well you must be gay or
> > black'"
>
> Bugger. I've just about got the web site set up to post a link to
> to claim that it's me and see if David Z and JJT believe it. We got
> some really good photos of a crossdresser who looks a bit like me.
> Now I'll have to find some photos of a crossdressed black guy instead.
> :-)

Don't forget, RuPaul is around 7 foot tall or something (above 7 with
heels, and who'd leave home without em)

And factor in how fast he was to discover my sexuality...

> The scary part, which Noddy alluded to, is that the consistency says
> that he really is that stupid, self centred, etc.. Yes, it's
> laughable in a sad sort of way...

That's the thing - I don't think _anyone_ could keep up a facade like
that for that long.

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Athol wrote:
>
> Daryl Walford <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote:
>
> > Unless he has a disability I don't get it.
>
> The opposite, actually. He's "gifted".

If you aren't already, start teaching him a second language. He'll thank
you for it later (when he takes over the world). Not that I expect you'd
need encouragement to encourage his aptitude and curiousity.

I had it beaten out of me, and of all things it's probably the one thing
I'll never come close to forgiving them for.

> Numerous people, particularly relatives, offered to mind him before he
> was born. None of them came through. Not one, until mothers day this
> year when my mother offered to mind him for a few hours, which she has
> done perhaps 5 times since.

It's odd that you didn't automatically assume such promises (no matter
how close the relative or friend) are to be filed away under election
promises.

>
> Up until then, the longest that my wife and I had been alone together
> without him since he was born was to go out and watch a movie. Now,
> we each do our own thing while he's out.

From Matthew Newton's new book - 'treat em mean keep em keen' : "If you
want to spend more time alone together, ply the bub full of cheap grog
and lock him in a cupboard, or the family car. If the die, well it was
good enough for bon scott."


> Yet more reason to not have a 2nd one. It's going to be bad enough
> having one do that!

a second child might actually be of some benefit. There's nothing worse
for an only child (and this isn't foreshadowing) than having nobody else
to bounce their reality off when the parents aren't getting along.

Only children can turn out really good or really fucked, it takes a lot
of luck and perserverance to attain the former.

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[Ext User(Athol)]

John McKenzie <jmac@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> Athol wrote:
>> Daryl Walford <dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote:

>> > Unless he has a disability I don't get it.

>> The opposite, actually. He's "gifted".

> If you aren't already, start teaching him a second language. He'll thank
> you for it later (when he takes over the world). Not that I expect you'd
> need encouragement to encourage his aptitude and curiousity.

My mother wants to teach him piano. She's already started...

>> Numerous people, particularly relatives, offered to mind him before he
>> was born. None of them came through. Not one, until mothers day this
>> year when my mother offered to mind him for a few hours, which she has
>> done perhaps 5 times since.

> It's odd that you didn't automatically assume such promises (no matter
> how close the relative or friend) are to be filed away under election
> promises.

I had no reason, at that stage, to even consider that they were lying.

> From Matthew Newton's new book - 'treat em mean keep em keen' : "If you
> want to spend more time alone together, ply the bub full of cheap grog
> and lock him in a cupboard, or the family car. If the die, well it was
> good enough for bon scott."

Almost funny.

>> Yet more reason to not have a 2nd one. It's going to be bad enough
>> having one do that!

> a second child might actually be of some benefit. There's nothing worse
> for an only child (and this isn't foreshadowing) than having nobody else
> to bounce their reality off when the parents aren't getting along.

I know that, and I seriously believe that that it is now the _only_
possible reason for us having a 2nd child. It's sad because we both
wanted to have 2 children (hoping for one of each) originally, but
current circumstances say otherwise...

> Only children can turn out really good or really fucked, it takes a lot
> of luck and perserverance to attain the former.

That also worries me. I've known quite a few only children and not
known any that turned out okay...

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