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"PJ O'Donovan" <graufox@aol.com> wrote in message
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"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
>
John Kerry
Easily apparently if you are bush or this idiot.
> Pelosi's Decoy Withdrawal Vote
> By Amanda Carpenter
> Thursday, July 12, 2007
Of course every serviceman joins to fight and do or die for
whatever good reason or mistake that their countries leaders make. They do
not question the reasons for going to war mistake or not , that is why it is
exservicemen and the rest pof the population who are to speak up for them.
They are our children who have put their lives on the line for us and
understand only what we know is the only way an army can exist. To blindly
follow orders without question . They cannot ask if the cause is just and
right or injustice and tyranny they are supporting and/or imposing.
That is why we have a democratic government , to end the dictatorship of
royalty where one man could sacrifice our childrens lives for some petty
reason. Or for his , and his families own enrichment without a care for the
rest of the population.
And then there's always torture.
Pandering to alien views pushed by bush, republicans and what seems to be
mainly patriotic israelis who seem to be overwhelming American patriots.
Spreading Torture World-Wide
"www.freedomtofascism.com" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
news:lu6ju2te9clffn33pguohdq6nvevv46as8@4ax.com...
> 'Torture Taxi' Connection With Nevada
> http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6146357
> Las Vegas Now | February 27, 2007
> George Knapp
>
> Human rights activists and foreign governments friendly to the U.S. are
> outraged because of a suspected kidnapping operation being run by American
> intelligence agencies.
>
> People have been snatched in broad daylight and then whisked to secret
> prisons, possibly for torture. The planes used in this controversial
> operation are often seen in Las Vegas, but the connection goes much
deeper.
>
> The I-Team first reported on the so-called "torture taxis" in 2006 and has
> spotted these planes coming in and out of Las Vegas on several occasions.
>
> The aircraft are owned by shell companies set up by unknown agencies,
quite
> possibly the Central Intelligence Agency. Some of the companies were
created
> in Nevada, using phony names and non-existent persons. So far, Nevada
> officials don't see it as a problem or a concern.
>
> The images are all too familiar -- prisoners being mistreated, others held
> indefinitely without charges. Even more damaging to America's image have
> been allegations of torture carried out at secret prisons by American
agents
> or surrogates.
>
> In a way, the legal justification for the torture program has roots in
> Nevada, since a Nevada lawyer named Jay Bybee, while working for the Bush
> administration, wrote the legal brief defending such policies.
>
> It's not hypothetical. Some of the very same planes that have been used in
> the kidnapping and transport of suspected terrorists to dark, unknown
places
> fly in and out of Las Vegas on a regular basis. The I-Team has recorded
> their arrivals. However, we cannot say what they're doing here, but are
> pretty sure what they've been used for elsewhere.
>
> Trevor Paglen, of the University of California, said, "It's indisputable
at
> this point that the United States has been kidnapping people around the
> world, disappearing them, holding them incommunicado, torturing them. It's
> beyond dispute."
>
> Trevor Paglen is the co-author of Torture Taxi, a book about the so-called
> rendition planes and the torture program. The planes in question are owned
> by private companies with clearance to land at any U.S. military base in
the
> world. Track the planes and you can figure out where the secret prisons
are
> located, often in countries with dismal human rights records.
>
> Such information has outraged European governments. Example: Khaled
> al-Masri, a German national, was vacationing in Macedonia when he was
> grabbed by masked men, flown to Afghanistan, and tortured for five months
> until his captors realized they had the wrong guy. Al-Masri is now suing
the
> U.S. Government, along with a Reno company, Keeler and Tate, which owns
the
> plane suspected of transporting Al-Masri to Kabul.
>
> From all indications, the firm is merely a shell, a false front created by
> an intelligence agency. The only officer listed is one Tyler Edward Tate,
a
> person who seemingly does not exist. The lawyer who incorporated the
company
> is Steven Petersen, who has declined all requests for comment and whom the
> I-Team discovered, is hard to find, even at his office.
>
> Petersen's office staff didn't know where he was, how to reach him, or
when
> he might return. The I-Team can't find any record of Tyler Tate other than
> what's filed with Nevada's Secretary of State. It's a felony to file false
> information with that office, although no one there seems too concerned.
The
> office has known for more than a year that Keeler and Tate is most likely
a
> phony front. But a deputy told the I-Team there's, quote, "nothing they
can
> do until a formal complaint is filed by someone."
>
> In other parts of the country -- in North Carolina and Portland, Oregon,
for
> example -- the lawyers who have filed papers for other fictitious airlines
> linked to the torture program are being investigated by the state bar. Not
> so in Nevada.
>
> On Scott Petersen's door is another name familiar in Nevada -- Laxalt.
Peter
> Laxalt is the brother of former governor and U.S. Senator Paul Laxalt, a
> well-connected Washington lobbyist. The lobby directory previously listed
> the Paul Laxalt Group as sharing the same suite with Steven Petersen. But,
> as soon as calls were made about the connection, the Laxalt name was
removed
> from the directory.
>
> Trevor Paglen said, "We called the D.C. office. The Laxalt Group denied
even
> having an office in Reno. Their name was on the building directly. We
called
> the secretary and they told us there was a West Coast office of the group
in
> that building."
>
> This is not a dead end. European nations have filed formal criminal
charges
> against numerous American intelligence agents. Khaled El-Masri's lawsuit
is
> moving forward and he has the American Civil Liberties Union helping him.
At
> some point, that suit could force some answers about the mysterious Keeler
> and Tate in Reno. And, investigations are underway in two states into the
> lawyers who assisted in setting up the phony companies.
>
> One other point, since the I-Team's first report last year about tracking
> these planes as they fly to Las Vegas, steps have been taken to hide their
> arrivals and departures.
The measure would not update FISA; it would gut it.
It would allow the government to collect vast amounts of data at will
from American citizens' e-mail and phone calls.
The Center for National Security Studies said it might even be read to
permit video surveillance without a warrant.
This is a dishonest measure, dishonestly presented, and Congress
should reject it.
Before making any new laws, Congress has to get to the truth about Mr.
Bush's spying program.
(When asked at a Senate hearing yesterday if Mr. Bush still claims to
have the power to ignore FISA when he thinks it is necessary, Mr.
McConnell refused to answer.)
With clear answers - rather than fearmongering and stonewalling -
there can finally be a real debate about amending FISA.
It's not clear whether that can happen under this president.
Mr. Bush long ago lost all credibility in the area where this law
lies: at the fulcrum of the balance between national security and
civil liberties.
>
> Send an email to Amanda Carpenter Email It
> Print It
> Take Action
> Read Article & Comments (19) Trackbacks Post Your Comments
>
> Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) wants the anti-war base to believe
> she's calling up a bill to end the war in Iraq.
>
> In a statement Tuesday, Pelosi said, "This week, every Member of the
> House will have an opportunity to vote to set a new direction in Iraq.
> The American people want Congress to bring our troops home, refocus
> our efforts to fighting terrorism, and hold the Bush Administration
> accountable."
>
>
>
> A U.S. soldier gives a bag of potato chips to Iraqi children during a
> patrol in Baghdad July 10, 2007. REUTERS/Nikola Solic (IRAQ)
> Related Media:
> VIDEO: Dems Step Up Pressure for Change in Iraq
> VIDEO: Dems Renew Fight On Iraq Pullout
> The Iraq Surge, Politics, and Challenges Ahead
"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
>
John Kerry
Easily apparently if you are bush or this idiot.
>
>
>
> Pelosi is publicizing that the Responsible Redeployment from Iraq Act
> would force President Bush to dramatically change his Iraq strategy.
> The fine print, however, states that Bush must first agree to it.
>
> The first few lines of the bill demand that the administration
> redeploy troops from Iraq within 120 days and "complete the reduction
> and transition to a limited presence" by April 1, 2008.
>
> Later, the language in the bill weakens. On page three, the bill calls
> only for a "reduction." The next page specifies that the Armed Forces'
> presence be reduced to "minimum force levels required to protect
> United States national security interests" by the April deadline.
>
> How many troops would remain after this reduction?
>
> In an email, Pelosi spokeswoman Nadeam Elshami said, "The bill
> requires that number and purpose to be justified by the President. It
> would then be up to Congress to decide whether to fund the
> deployment."
>
> That doesn't sound as strident as the Speaker's Tuesday statement.
>
> A return email asking how the act would noticeably change the status
> quo was not immediately answered.
>
> The same day that Pelosi announced she would hold this vote, the
> President was in Cleveland, Ohio giving no indication he would agree
> to b reducing troops should Pelosi's House pass the bill. He asked
> Congress to wait until Gen. David H. Petraeus reports to Congress on
> the progress in Iraq on September 15 before evaluating the success or
> failure of the troop surge.
>
> "I believe that it's in the nation's interests to give the commander a
> chance to fully implement his operations," he said. "And I believe
> Congress ought to wait for General Petraeus to come back and give us
> an assessment of the strategy that he's putting in place."
>
> As he promised in his January 2007 State of the Union address,
> President Bush decided to send a surge of 21,500 additional troops to
> Iraq, which was completed June 15. After his announcement, then newly
> installed Democratic Congress debated various bills and amendments for
> the next three months, ultimately deciding to fund war operations in
> Iraq through the rest of the year
>
news:1184269321.190137.183160@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
>
John Kerry
Easily apparently if you are bush or this idiot.
> Pelosi's Decoy Withdrawal Vote
> By Amanda Carpenter
> Thursday, July 12, 2007
Of course every serviceman joins to fight and do or die for
whatever good reason or mistake that their countries leaders make. They do
not question the reasons for going to war mistake or not , that is why it is
exservicemen and the rest pof the population who are to speak up for them.
They are our children who have put their lives on the line for us and
understand only what we know is the only way an army can exist. To blindly
follow orders without question . They cannot ask if the cause is just and
right or injustice and tyranny they are supporting and/or imposing.
That is why we have a democratic government , to end the dictatorship of
royalty where one man could sacrifice our childrens lives for some petty
reason. Or for his , and his families own enrichment without a care for the
rest of the population.
And then there's always torture.
Pandering to alien views pushed by bush, republicans and what seems to be
mainly patriotic israelis who seem to be overwhelming American patriots.
Spreading Torture World-Wide
"www.freedomtofascism.com" <truth@r.us> wrote in message
news:lu6ju2te9clffn33pguohdq6nvevv46as8@4ax.com...
> 'Torture Taxi' Connection With Nevada
> http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6146357
> Las Vegas Now | February 27, 2007
> George Knapp
>
> Human rights activists and foreign governments friendly to the U.S. are
> outraged because of a suspected kidnapping operation being run by American
> intelligence agencies.
>
> People have been snatched in broad daylight and then whisked to secret
> prisons, possibly for torture. The planes used in this controversial
> operation are often seen in Las Vegas, but the connection goes much
deeper.
>
> The I-Team first reported on the so-called "torture taxis" in 2006 and has
> spotted these planes coming in and out of Las Vegas on several occasions.
>
> The aircraft are owned by shell companies set up by unknown agencies,
quite
> possibly the Central Intelligence Agency. Some of the companies were
created
> in Nevada, using phony names and non-existent persons. So far, Nevada
> officials don't see it as a problem or a concern.
>
> The images are all too familiar -- prisoners being mistreated, others held
> indefinitely without charges. Even more damaging to America's image have
> been allegations of torture carried out at secret prisons by American
agents
> or surrogates.
>
> In a way, the legal justification for the torture program has roots in
> Nevada, since a Nevada lawyer named Jay Bybee, while working for the Bush
> administration, wrote the legal brief defending such policies.
>
> It's not hypothetical. Some of the very same planes that have been used in
> the kidnapping and transport of suspected terrorists to dark, unknown
places
> fly in and out of Las Vegas on a regular basis. The I-Team has recorded
> their arrivals. However, we cannot say what they're doing here, but are
> pretty sure what they've been used for elsewhere.
>
> Trevor Paglen, of the University of California, said, "It's indisputable
at
> this point that the United States has been kidnapping people around the
> world, disappearing them, holding them incommunicado, torturing them. It's
> beyond dispute."
>
> Trevor Paglen is the co-author of Torture Taxi, a book about the so-called
> rendition planes and the torture program. The planes in question are owned
> by private companies with clearance to land at any U.S. military base in
the
> world. Track the planes and you can figure out where the secret prisons
are
> located, often in countries with dismal human rights records.
>
> Such information has outraged European governments. Example: Khaled
> al-Masri, a German national, was vacationing in Macedonia when he was
> grabbed by masked men, flown to Afghanistan, and tortured for five months
> until his captors realized they had the wrong guy. Al-Masri is now suing
the
> U.S. Government, along with a Reno company, Keeler and Tate, which owns
the
> plane suspected of transporting Al-Masri to Kabul.
>
> From all indications, the firm is merely a shell, a false front created by
> an intelligence agency. The only officer listed is one Tyler Edward Tate,
a
> person who seemingly does not exist. The lawyer who incorporated the
company
> is Steven Petersen, who has declined all requests for comment and whom the
> I-Team discovered, is hard to find, even at his office.
>
> Petersen's office staff didn't know where he was, how to reach him, or
when
> he might return. The I-Team can't find any record of Tyler Tate other than
> what's filed with Nevada's Secretary of State. It's a felony to file false
> information with that office, although no one there seems too concerned.
The
> office has known for more than a year that Keeler and Tate is most likely
a
> phony front. But a deputy told the I-Team there's, quote, "nothing they
can
> do until a formal complaint is filed by someone."
>
> In other parts of the country -- in North Carolina and Portland, Oregon,
for
> example -- the lawyers who have filed papers for other fictitious airlines
> linked to the torture program are being investigated by the state bar. Not
> so in Nevada.
>
> On Scott Petersen's door is another name familiar in Nevada -- Laxalt.
Peter
> Laxalt is the brother of former governor and U.S. Senator Paul Laxalt, a
> well-connected Washington lobbyist. The lobby directory previously listed
> the Paul Laxalt Group as sharing the same suite with Steven Petersen. But,
> as soon as calls were made about the connection, the Laxalt name was
removed
> from the directory.
>
> Trevor Paglen said, "We called the D.C. office. The Laxalt Group denied
even
> having an office in Reno. Their name was on the building directly. We
called
> the secretary and they told us there was a West Coast office of the group
in
> that building."
>
> This is not a dead end. European nations have filed formal criminal
charges
> against numerous American intelligence agents. Khaled El-Masri's lawsuit
is
> moving forward and he has the American Civil Liberties Union helping him.
At
> some point, that suit could force some answers about the mysterious Keeler
> and Tate in Reno. And, investigations are underway in two states into the
> lawyers who assisted in setting up the phony companies.
>
> One other point, since the I-Team's first report last year about tracking
> these planes as they fly to Las Vegas, steps have been taken to hide their
> arrivals and departures.
The measure would not update FISA; it would gut it.
It would allow the government to collect vast amounts of data at will
from American citizens' e-mail and phone calls.
The Center for National Security Studies said it might even be read to
permit video surveillance without a warrant.
This is a dishonest measure, dishonestly presented, and Congress
should reject it.
Before making any new laws, Congress has to get to the truth about Mr.
Bush's spying program.
(When asked at a Senate hearing yesterday if Mr. Bush still claims to
have the power to ignore FISA when he thinks it is necessary, Mr.
McConnell refused to answer.)
With clear answers - rather than fearmongering and stonewalling -
there can finally be a real debate about amending FISA.
It's not clear whether that can happen under this president.
Mr. Bush long ago lost all credibility in the area where this law
lies: at the fulcrum of the balance between national security and
civil liberties.
>
> Send an email to Amanda Carpenter Email It
> Print It
> Take Action
> Read Article & Comments (19) Trackbacks Post Your Comments
>
> Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) wants the anti-war base to believe
> she's calling up a bill to end the war in Iraq.
>
> In a statement Tuesday, Pelosi said, "This week, every Member of the
> House will have an opportunity to vote to set a new direction in Iraq.
> The American people want Congress to bring our troops home, refocus
> our efforts to fighting terrorism, and hold the Bush Administration
> accountable."
>
>
>
> A U.S. soldier gives a bag of potato chips to Iraqi children during a
> patrol in Baghdad July 10, 2007. REUTERS/Nikola Solic (IRAQ)
> Related Media:
> VIDEO: Dems Step Up Pressure for Change in Iraq
> VIDEO: Dems Renew Fight On Iraq Pullout
> The Iraq Surge, Politics, and Challenges Ahead
"How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
>
John Kerry
Easily apparently if you are bush or this idiot.
>
>
>
> Pelosi is publicizing that the Responsible Redeployment from Iraq Act
> would force President Bush to dramatically change his Iraq strategy.
> The fine print, however, states that Bush must first agree to it.
>
> The first few lines of the bill demand that the administration
> redeploy troops from Iraq within 120 days and "complete the reduction
> and transition to a limited presence" by April 1, 2008.
>
> Later, the language in the bill weakens. On page three, the bill calls
> only for a "reduction." The next page specifies that the Armed Forces'
> presence be reduced to "minimum force levels required to protect
> United States national security interests" by the April deadline.
>
> How many troops would remain after this reduction?
>
> In an email, Pelosi spokeswoman Nadeam Elshami said, "The bill
> requires that number and purpose to be justified by the President. It
> would then be up to Congress to decide whether to fund the
> deployment."
>
> That doesn't sound as strident as the Speaker's Tuesday statement.
>
> A return email asking how the act would noticeably change the status
> quo was not immediately answered.
>
> The same day that Pelosi announced she would hold this vote, the
> President was in Cleveland, Ohio giving no indication he would agree
> to b reducing troops should Pelosi's House pass the bill. He asked
> Congress to wait until Gen. David H. Petraeus reports to Congress on
> the progress in Iraq on September 15 before evaluating the success or
> failure of the troop surge.
>
> "I believe that it's in the nation's interests to give the commander a
> chance to fully implement his operations," he said. "And I believe
> Congress ought to wait for General Petraeus to come back and give us
> an assessment of the strategy that he's putting in place."
>
> As he promised in his January 2007 State of the Union address,
> President Bush decided to send a surge of 21,500 additional troops to
> Iraq, which was completed June 15. After his announcement, then newly
> installed Democratic Congress debated various bills and amendments for
> the next three months, ultimately deciding to fund war operations in
> Iraq through the rest of the year
>