Re: Subtitles missing from top of line set.

[Ext User(Malcolm Taylor)]

"Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message news:...
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> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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>>I have been able to watch subtitles when seeing digital broadcast through
>>my Topfield PVR. This machine is only SD.I now have what is supposed to
>>be a top of the line Sony Bravia X LCD TV but am astounded to find that
>>that TV doesn't appear to have any subtitles at all for digital
>>broadcasts. I hope that someone can prove me wrong.
>> --
>> Thanks in advance
>
> If subtitles are enabled in the Topfield, the TV should display them,
> since they will form part of the image sent to the TV. The TV should have
> nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have enabled subtitles in the
> Topfield?
>

Oh, and are you sure that the program you are viewing actually has
subtitles?

[Ext User(bassett)]

"Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message
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> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message news:...
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>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>> news:46abfefc$0$30511$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>I have been able to watch subtitles when seeing digital broadcast through
>>>my Topfield PVR. This machine is only SD.I now have what is supposed to
>>>be a top of the line Sony Bravia X LCD TV but am astounded to find that
>>>that TV doesn't appear to have any subtitles at all for digital
>>>broadcasts. I hope that someone can prove me wrong.
>>> --
>>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> If subtitles are enabled in the Topfield, the TV should display them,
>> since they will form part of the image sent to the TV. The TV should have
>> nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have enabled subtitles in the
>> Topfield?
>>
>
> Oh, and are you sure that the program you are viewing actually has
> subtitles?
I think he's of the opinion that everything comes with sub-titles,
which they don't. Easiest way to check if there enabled is to switch
to an SBS movie.
As you say the TV has nothing to do with it, unless there is
something in the Teletex menu which display's it. ??

[Ext User(The Old Fart)]

bassett wrote:
> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message
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>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message news:...
>>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>>> news:46abfefc$0$30511$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>> I have been able to watch subtitles when seeing digital broadcast through
>>>> my Topfield PVR. This machine is only SD.I now have what is supposed to
>>>> be a top of the line Sony Bravia X LCD TV but am astounded to find that
>>>> that TV doesn't appear to have any subtitles at all for digital
>>>> broadcasts. I hope that someone can prove me wrong.
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>> If subtitles are enabled in the Topfield, the TV should display them,
>>> since they will form part of the image sent to the TV. The TV should have
>>> nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have enabled subtitles in the
>>> Topfield?
>>>
>> Oh, and are you sure that the program you are viewing actually has
>> subtitles?
> I think he's of the opinion that everything comes with sub-titles,
> which they don't. Easiest way to check if there enabled is to switch
> to an SBS movie.
> As you say the TV has nothing to do with it, unless there is
> something in the Teletex menu which display's it. ??
>
>
I obviously should have been more precise when posting my original post.
I can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD
though my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV
on either SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially
since its supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a
top TV is to get more not less features.

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[Ext User(Stuart)]

"The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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> bassett wrote:
>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message news:...
>>>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>>>> news:46abfefc$0$30511$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>> I have been able to watch subtitles when seeing digital broadcast
>>>>> through my Topfield PVR. This machine is only SD.I now have what is
>>>>> supposed to be a top of the line Sony Bravia X LCD TV but am astounded
>>>>> to find that that TV doesn't appear to have any subtitles at all for
>>>>> digital broadcasts. I hope that someone can prove me wrong.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> If subtitles are enabled in the Topfield, the TV should display them,
>>>> since they will form part of the image sent to the TV. The TV should
>>>> have nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have enabled subtitles in
>>>> the Topfield?
>>>>
>>> Oh, and are you sure that the program you are viewing actually has
>>> subtitles?
>> I think he's of the opinion that everything comes with sub-titles,
>> which they don't. Easiest way to check if there enabled is to switch
>> to an SBS movie.
>> As you say the TV has nothing to do with it, unless there is
>> something in the Teletex menu which display's it. ??
> I obviously should have been more precise when posting my original post. I
> can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD though
> my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV on either
> SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially since its
> supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a top TV is to
> get more not less features.
>
> --
> Thanks in advance

I have a Samsung 42" with built in HDTV tuner and it displays subtitles on
HD channels (when they exist) along with my Topfield 5000 when I'm using it.

[Ext User(Malcolm Taylor)]

"The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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> bassett wrote:
>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message news:...
>>>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>>>> news:46abfefc$0$30511$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>> I have been able to watch subtitles when seeing digital broadcast
>>>>> through my Topfield PVR. This machine is only SD.I now have what is
>>>>> supposed to be a top of the line Sony Bravia X LCD TV but am astounded
>>>>> to find that that TV doesn't appear to have any subtitles at all for
>>>>> digital broadcasts. I hope that someone can prove me wrong.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> If subtitles are enabled in the Topfield, the TV should display them,
>>>> since they will form part of the image sent to the TV. The TV should
>>>> have nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have enabled subtitles in
>>>> the Topfield?
>>>>
>>> Oh, and are you sure that the program you are viewing actually has
>>> subtitles?
>> I think he's of the opinion that everything comes with sub-titles,
>> which they don't. Easiest way to check if there enabled is to switch
>> to an SBS movie.
>> As you say the TV has nothing to do with it, unless there is
>> something in the Teletex menu which display's it. ??
> I obviously should have been more precise when posting my original post. I
> can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD though
> my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV on either
> SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially since its
> supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a top TV is to
> get more not less features.
>

Oh, OK, I didn't realise the TV had an integrated digital tuner. So it
doesn't display subtitles on either HD or SD broadcasts? Sounds strange. Is
there no menu option to enable them?

[Ext User(The Old Fart)]

Malcolm Taylor wrote:
> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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>> bassett wrote:
>>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message news:...
>>>>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>>>>> news:46abfefc$0$30511$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>>> I have been able to watch subtitles when seeing digital broadcast
>>>>>> through my Topfield PVR. This machine is only SD.I now have what is
>>>>>> supposed to be a top of the line Sony Bravia X LCD TV but am astounded
>>>>>> to find that that TV doesn't appear to have any subtitles at all for
>>>>>> digital broadcasts. I hope that someone can prove me wrong.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>> If subtitles are enabled in the Topfield, the TV should display them,
>>>>> since they will form part of the image sent to the TV. The TV should
>>>>> have nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have enabled subtitles in
>>>>> the Topfield?
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, and are you sure that the program you are viewing actually has
>>>> subtitles?
>>> I think he's of the opinion that everything comes with sub-titles,
>>> which they don't. Easiest way to check if there enabled is to switch
>>> to an SBS movie.
>>> As you say the TV has nothing to do with it, unless there is
>>> something in the Teletex menu which display's it. ??
>> I obviously should have been more precise when posting my original post. I
>> can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD though
>> my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV on either
>> SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially since its
>> supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a top TV is to
>> get more not less features.
>>
>
> Oh, OK, I didn't realise the TV had an integrated digital tuner. So it
> doesn't display subtitles on either HD or SD broadcasts? Sounds strange. Is
> there no menu option to enable them?
>
>
There is no mention of being able to display them in either the manual
or in the on screen setup screens. I'm assuming that they aren't there
which I think is ridiculous.

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[Ext User(Stuart)]

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> Malcolm Taylor wrote:
>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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>>> bassett wrote:
>>>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message news:...
>>>>>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:46abfefc$0$30511$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>>>> I have been able to watch subtitles when seeing digital broadcast
>>>>>>> through my Topfield PVR. This machine is only SD.I now have what is
>>>>>>> supposed to be a top of the line Sony Bravia X LCD TV but am
>>>>>>> astounded to find that that TV doesn't appear to have any subtitles
>>>>>>> at all for digital broadcasts. I hope that someone can prove me
>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>> If subtitles are enabled in the Topfield, the TV should display them,
>>>>>> since they will form part of the image sent to the TV. The TV should
>>>>>> have nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have enabled subtitles
>>>>>> in the Topfield?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and are you sure that the program you are viewing actually has
>>>>> subtitles?
>>>> I think he's of the opinion that everything comes with sub-titles,
>>>> which they don't. Easiest way to check if there enabled is to
>>>> switch to an SBS movie.
>>>> As you say the TV has nothing to do with it, unless there is
>>>> something in the Teletex menu which display's it. ??
>>> I obviously should have been more precise when posting my original post.
>>> I can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD
>>> though my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV
>>> on either SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially
>>> since its supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a
>>> top TV is to get more not less features.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, OK, I didn't realise the TV had an integrated digital tuner. So it
>> doesn't display subtitles on either HD or SD broadcasts? Sounds strange.
>> Is there no menu option to enable them?
> There is no mention of being able to display them in either the manual or
> in the on screen setup screens. I'm assuming that they aren't there which
> I think is ridiculous.
>
> --
> Thanks in advance

Brand and model number might be useful?

[Ext User(The Old Fart)]

Stuart wrote:
> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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>> Malcolm Taylor wrote:
>>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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>>>> bassett wrote:
>>>>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:46ac03aa$0$44549$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
>>>>>> "Malcolm Taylor" <taylormv@telstra.com> wrote in message news:...
>>>>>>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:46abfefc$0$30511$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>>>>>> I have been able to watch subtitles when seeing digital broadcast
>>>>>>>> through my Topfield PVR. This machine is only SD.I now have what is
>>>>>>>> supposed to be a top of the line Sony Bravia X LCD TV but am
>>>>>>>> astounded to find that that TV doesn't appear to have any subtitles
>>>>>>>> at all for digital broadcasts. I hope that someone can prove me
>>>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>>> If subtitles are enabled in the Topfield, the TV should display them,
>>>>>>> since they will form part of the image sent to the TV. The TV should
>>>>>>> have nothing to do with it. Are you sure you have enabled subtitles
>>>>>>> in the Topfield?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and are you sure that the program you are viewing actually has
>>>>>> subtitles?
>>>>> I think he's of the opinion that everything comes with sub-titles,
>>>>> which they don't. Easiest way to check if there enabled is to
>>>>> switch to an SBS movie.
>>>>> As you say the TV has nothing to do with it, unless there is
>>>>> something in the Teletex menu which display's it. ??
>>>> I obviously should have been more precise when posting my original post.
>>>> I can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD
>>>> though my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV
>>>> on either SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially
>>>> since its supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a
>>>> top TV is to get more not less features.
>>>>
>>> Oh, OK, I didn't realise the TV had an integrated digital tuner. So it
>>> doesn't display subtitles on either HD or SD broadcasts? Sounds strange.
>>> Is there no menu option to enable them?
>> There is no mention of being able to display them in either the manual or
>> in the on screen setup screens. I'm assuming that they aren't there which
>> I think is ridiculous.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks in advance
>
> Brand and model number might be useful?
>
>
It's a Sony Bravia X KDL46X2000

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[Ext User(Peter)]

"The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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> I can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD
> though my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV on
> either SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially since its
> supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a top TV is to
> get more not less features.

Well the uk version of (Sony KDL46X2000) has a Digital Set-up menu with a
subtitles setting see page 38 of this manual (6MB):-
http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2698671121.pdf

Hope that helps (can't find Australian manual on sony.com.au).

[Ext User(The Old Fart)]

Peter wrote:
> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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>
>> I can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD
>> though my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV on
>> either SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially since its
>> supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a top TV is to
>> get more not less features.
>
> Well the uk version of (Sony KDL46X2000) has a Digital Set-up menu with a
> subtitles setting see page 38 of this manual (6MB):-
> http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2698671121.pdf
>
> Hope that helps (can't find Australian manual on sony.com.au).
>
>
Page 38 in my manual is about connecting to TV. Subtitles don't get
mention in index either.

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[Ext User(Stuart)]

"The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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> Peter wrote:
>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>> news:46ad1ea7$0$13845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>
>>> I can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD
>>> though my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV
>>> on either SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially
>>> since its supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a
>>> top TV is to get more not less features.
>>
>> Well the uk version of (Sony KDL46X2000) has a Digital Set-up menu with
>> a subtitles setting see page 38 of this manual (6MB):-
>> http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2698671121.pdf
>>
>> Hope that helps (can't find Australian manual on sony.com.au).
>>
>>
> Page 38 in my manual is about connecting to TV. Subtitles don't get
> mention in index either.
>
> --
> Thanks in advance


Look under Digital Setup

[Ext User(The Old Fart)]

Stuart wrote:
> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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>> Peter wrote:
>>> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
>>> news:46ad1ea7$0$13845$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>
>>>> I can see subtitles on dozens of programs but only if I view using SD
>>>> though my Topfield. I should also have the option of just using the TV
>>>> on either SD or HD broadcasts by itself for viewing them especially
>>>> since its supposed to be a top TV. The reason you pay more to have a
>>>> top TV is to get more not less features.
>>> Well the uk version of (Sony KDL46X2000) has a Digital Set-up menu with
>>> a subtitles setting see page 38 of this manual (6MB):-
>>> http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2698671121.pdf
>>>
>>> Hope that helps (can't find Australian manual on sony.com.au).
>>>
>>>
>> Page 38 in my manual is about connecting to TV. Subtitles don't get
>> mention in index either.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Look under Digital Setup
>
>
This seems to suggest that in Australia Sony has decided to cut corners
& only sell a watered down version of this set. It's strange that they
choose to stick with the same model #. I wonder what else they have
left off the set? The next time I'm shopping for an electrical appliance
I'll know to stay well away from the Sony shop.

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[Ext User(Matt McLeod)]

In <46b277ed$0$6925$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, The Old Fart wrote:
> This seems to suggest that in Australia Sony has decided to cut corners
> & only sell a watered down version of this set. It's strange that they
> choose to stick with the same model #. I wonder what else they have
> left off the set? The next time I'm shopping for an electrical appliance
> I'll know to stay well away from the Sony shop.

Wild guess: legislative requirements are different in the UK so they
have to provide caption support there and don't have to here, and the
systems are different enough (even just a different teletext codepage
would be enough excuse!) they they decided to just drop it.

Caption support more broadly is going to get worse and worse with
the take-up of online digital media. I don't think anyone is providing
captioned downloadable content at the moment and it's going to be a
whole different fight.

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-- Red Drag Diva

[Ext User(Peter)]

"The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
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> Page 38 in my manual is about connecting to TV. Subtitles don't get
> mention in index either.

But nowhere in any Menu with "Setup Settings" or "Digital Set-up" or similar
sounding name, do you have an option for subtitles or closed captions or
caption vision ?

[Ext User(Stuart)]

"Peter" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "The Old Fart" <" "> wrote in message
> news:46b18910$0$16207$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> Page 38 in my manual is about connecting to TV. Subtitles don't get
>> mention in index either.
>
> But nowhere in any Menu with "Setup Settings" or "Digital Set-up" or
> similar sounding name, do you have an option for subtitles or closed
> captions or caption vision ?
>


Clutching at straws! is there no mention of subtitles on the remote control?
Sounds just like the lame STB that Aldi were selling to change the aspect
ratio, you had to drive down several layers of menu's to get to it instead
of just putting a button the remote like nearly everyone else does

[Ext User(David Wilson)]

On Aug 3, 10:53 am, Matt McLeod <m...@boggle.org> wrote:
> Wild guess: legislative requirements are different in the UK so they
> have to provide caption support there and don't have to here, and the
> systems are different enough (even just a different teletext codepage
> would be enough excuse!) they they decided to just drop it.

Here is what the DBA website has to say on the subject of caption
support:

Receiving Equipment

Caption decoding and display is a requirement for compliance with the
Australian Standard for television receivers (AS 4933). Industry
compliance with Australian standards is not mandatory.

http://www.dba.org.au/index.asp?sectionID=16

[Ext User(Matt McLeod)]

In <1186143833.516201.217600@i38g2000prf.googlegroups. com>, David Wilson wrote:
> On Aug 3, 10:53 am, Matt McLeod <m...@boggle.org> wrote:
>> Wild guess: legislative requirements are different in the UK so they
>> have to provide caption support there and don't have to here, and the
>> systems are different enough (even just a different teletext codepage
>> would be enough excuse!) they they decided to just drop it.
>
> Here is what the DBA website has to say on the subject of caption
> support:
>
> Receiving Equipment
>
> Caption decoding and display is a requirement for compliance with the
> Australian Standard for television receivers (AS 4933). Industry
> compliance with Australian standards is not mandatory.

And if it's not mandatory, some bozo will always decide not to implement
it if they can save a few bucks.

That said, so long as there are plenty of good units out there that
*do* implement it, it doesn't really matter. Unless this is something
you need but you were careless enough to spend a big chunk of money
without checking first.

Matt