Pajero TD

[Ext User(DAvid)]

With the CR-V running up the miles of late, I might be replacing it sooner
than later. I normally upgrade every 2 years (still 10 months to go) or
50,000klms whichever comes first but at 42,000 clicks, that might be pretty
soon.

I'm quite impressed with the drive of the Pajero TD and if you can all not
think Mitsubishi for a moment, perhaps you could put your 2 bob's worth in
as well, stating what you consider a better buy, taking into account,
economy and practicality. Whilst the Pajero is some $25,000 more expensive
than what I paid for the CR-V, I'm only losing $5,000 as a trade on the
Honda with what I paid for it.

The Pajero's have won Dakkar now 7 times on the hop, so they can't be really
that bad.........can they?

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/xrt-mitsubishi-pajero-diesel.htm

DAVO

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> The Pajero's have won Dakkar now 7 times on the hop, so they can't be
> really that bad.........can they?

If you think the Dakkar winning Pajero has any relevance to the one you see
in your local dealership you're off your nut. It's about as similar as a new
Falcon is to a V8 Supercar.

The Pajero is okay, but nothing special. If you've been satisfied with a
CR-V, and don't specifically need a dedicated 4wd, then look at something
like a Mazda Tribute or CX-7, Nissan Murano or X-Trail, Ford Territory or
Mitsubishi Outlander.

All of which would be a nicer drive than the Pajero.

I'd also look at Hyundai, as they make a damn fine value for money car at
the moment.

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Noddy.

[Ext User(DAvid)]

"Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> "DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
>> The Pajero's have won Dakkar now 7 times on the hop, so they can't be
>> really that bad.........can they?
>
> If you think the Dakkar winning Pajero has any relevance to the one you
> see in your local dealership you're off your nut. It's about as similar as
> a new Falcon is to a V8 Supercar.

I'm aware of that, but I have my mind made up I want a turbo diesel this
time around.
>
> The Pajero is okay, but nothing special. If you've been satisfied with a
> CR-V, and don't specifically need a dedicated 4wd, then look at something
> like a Mazda Tribute or CX-7, Nissan Murano or X-Trail, Ford Territory or
> Mitsubishi Outlander.

I took the Tribute/Escape, X-Trail and a Territory for a test drive before
going with the CR-V. There wasn't much that appealed to me with any of
those. The CX-7 is one I'm yet to try. I don't know much at all about them.
I like the Murano though.
>
> All of which would be a nicer drive than the Pajero.

Don't knock the Pajero in this department as the performance is quite
impressive from a 3.2 litre 4cyl. Tourqey too. Nicely finished as well as a
good ride.
>
> I'd also look at Hyundai, as they make a damn fine value for money car at
> the moment.

I never thought I'd hear you say that, which particular Hyundai?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.


DAVO

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> I'm aware of that, but I have my mind made up I want a turbo diesel this
> time around.

Fuck only knows why.

I'd *much* rather have a petrol engine on lpg. You couldn't give me a diesel
powered anything for free.

> I took the Tribute/Escape, X-Trail and a Territory for a test drive before
> going with the CR-V. There wasn't much that appealed to me with any of
> those. The CX-7 is one I'm yet to try. I don't know much at all about
> them. I like the Murano though.

That's amazing.

Of those, I'd pick the Territory and the Tribute as the two best drivers,
and forgot to mention both the Subaru Outback and Forester as better than
any of them.

What I *can't* understand is how you could favor a CR-V over any of them.

> Don't knock the Pajero in this department as the performance is quite
> impressive from a 3.2 litre 4cyl. Tourqey too. Nicely finished as well as
> a good ride.

Yeah, so is a Landcruiser, but unless you specifically need a 4wd it's a
waste compared to most of the soft roaders that do daily driving much
better.

The last Pajero I drove would be a couple of models back now, but I can't
imagine a new one being a better drive than a Territory.

> I never thought I'd hear you say that, which particular Hyundai?

Whatever one you like.

They have a pretty good stable of cars at the moment, and all of them seem
to be pretty good for the money.

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[Ext User(jackbadger56)]

On Oct 24, 12:06 pm, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> "DAvid" <davi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>
> news:HCwTi.3904$CN4.3151@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> > The Pajero's have won Dakkar now 7 times on the hop, so they can't be
> > really that bad.........can they?
>
> If you think the Dakkar winning Pajero has any relevance to the one you see
> in your local dealership you're off your nut. It's about as similar as a new
> Falcon is to a V8 Supercar.
>
> The Pajero is okay, but nothing special. If you've been satisfied with a
> CR-V, and don't specifically need a dedicated 4wd, then look at something
> like a Mazda Tribute or CX-7, Nissan Murano or X-Trail, Ford Territory or
> Mitsubishi Outlander.
>
> All of which would be a nicer drive than the Pajero.
>
> I'd also look at Hyundai, as they make a damn fine value for money car at
> the moment.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

Surreal..........
But yeah, the new Santa Fe looks great, and is available in diesel. No
idea how it drives though (if it's on par with *anything* from Korea,
ride and handling are a long way from being competitive with Japan or
Europe)

[Ext User(DAvid)]

OK (N)oddball, this is probably going to surprise you somewhat. Despite our
being at each other's throat for the past 6 months or so, I genuinely do
believe you are very knowledgeable in the mechanical world and whilst you
probably won't believe me, I value "most" of the things you say. Thanks for
taking the time to explain in so much detail your thoughts, whether I agree
or not. Now here is the cruncher.

If I gave you $50,000 and said go and buy me what you would consider the
best 4WD you can with the money, what would you come back with? Realising I
don't want anything as serious as a Patrol or Land Cruiser, but something as
big as, not smaller than, a CR-V. Whilst the CR-V has never held me up
anywhere including Fraser Island, I'm not so stupid as to say it would take
me anywhere. So let's say something a little more robust than the CR-V but
as comfortable and economical to run as one. Automatic now is mandatory for
me except for the Typhoon.

I know you said the Forrester is a good buy, but they are smaller than my
CR-V and therefore not as comfortable. Remember I am 120kg and almost 6'3".

DAVO

[Ext User(Marco)]

On Oct 24, 1:04 pm, "DAvid" <davi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> I'm aware of that, but I have my mind made up I want a turbo diesel this
> time around.
>
> I took the Tribute/Escape, X-Trail and a Territory for a test drive before
> going with the CR-V. There wasn't much that appealed to me with any of
> those. The CX-7 is one I'm yet to try. I don't know much at all about them.
> I like the Murano though.

The CX-7 and Murano don't come in TD, though, do they? Nor do the
Tribute, Territory or X-Trail.

The Captiva Diesel is getting good reports from people on another
forum who've bought them, may well be worth a look.

> > I'd also look at Hyundai, as they make a damn fine value for money car at
> > the moment.
>
> I never thought I'd hear you say that, which particular Hyundai?

Santa Fe and Tucson would probably do the job you're looking for,
although I thought the Captiva was nicer than either of those two.

Marco

[Ext User(Marco)]

On Oct 24, 10:47 am, "DAvid" <davi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> With the CR-V running up the miles of late, I might be replacing it sooner
> than later. I normally upgrade every 2 years (still 10 months to go) or
> 50,000klms whichever comes first but at 42,000 clicks, that might be pretty
> soon.

If I did that, I'd be in a new car every 18-20 months! Why do you
change over that often?

(23,000km on my 8 month old car...)

Marco

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> If I gave you $50,000 and said go and buy me what you would consider the
> best 4WD you can with the money, what would you come back with?

You didn't asnwer my earlier question in that does it *have* to be a 4wd? If
the answer is no, and the capabilities of a CR-V have satisfied you over the
last couple of years, then more than likely you'd get by just fine with a
regular station wagon.

And no, before you start I'm *not* having a go. I'm simply saying that the
CR-V's off road ability isn't particularly brilliant (n0r is that of the
Tribute, X-Trail or most of the other "soft roaders). I would also think
that if you've got by okay with one over that time, then you'd get by
*equally* okay with a Falcon or Commodore wagon.

If it were me, I'd spend the 50 large on a new VE Commodore wagon and enjoy
the bonus of better fuel economy, more interior space and *much* better all
round driving experience, and if I ever found myself in a situation where
the Commy wouldn't go where the CR-V would (which I genuinely think wouldn't
be an experience you'd have to endure very often) I'd either park the Commy
and hire a 4wd for the trip or simply get their by other means.

Finally, to answer you question directly, what I would buy for you would be
different to what I would buy for myself as I have no idea what your
particular needs are.

What *I* would *like* would be a Subaru Outback, but they're no bigger than
the Jeep I currently have and I need the space. What I'll most likely end up
buying will be a used 2wd Territory Ghia and stick it on gas.

> I know you said the Forrester is a good buy, but they are smaller than my
> CR-V and therefore not as comfortable. Remember I am 120kg and almost
> 6'3".

Fat cunt :)

I think you should take another look at the Forester or Outback, as they're
not really smaller than the CR-V inside. They're *lower*, and that can often
give a false sense, but in terms of interior space it's much of a muchness.
If you can comfortably live with a CR-V then I can't see why either of the
Suby's would be a problem at all.

The new Kluger is supposed to be pretty good, but I imagine $50k won't get
you much of one.

My picks, for what they're worth (and in order of preference) would be
either of the suby's, a Territory, a Hyundai Santa Fe with the 3.3 litre V6,
a Kluger, and a Tribute. However, if I had my way and didn't need a 4wd I
wouldn't buy any of them and would get a new Commodore wagon.

Without a doubt.

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Noddy.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"jackbadger56" <castle56@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Surreal..........
> But yeah, the new Santa Fe looks great, and is available in diesel. No
> idea how it drives though (if it's on par with *anything* from Korea,
> ride and handling are a long way from being competitive with Japan or
> Europe)

I would disagree with that as far as Hyundai is concerned at least.

Not that I'm interested in rushing out to buy any of their cars, but they
have lifted their game *enormously* over the last 5 years or so and now make
a very good car for the money which is easily comparable to anything in
their class which seems to be at odds to other Korean manufacturers.

I'd also suggest that nothing in the Santa Fe's class is particularly good
as far as ride & handling is concerned, and I wouldn't think the Santa Fe
would be any better or worse.

They certainly look the goods on paper for the money at least.

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Noddy.

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:29:21 +1000, Noddy PCM code reading says:


>
> What *I* would *like* would be a Subaru Outback, but they're no bigger
> than the Jeep I currently have and I need the space. What I'll most
> likely end up buying will be a used 2wd Territory Ghia and stick it on
> gas.

Hopefully it has XR6 Turbo internals in case you end up with a sump full
of broken rods from a backfire. ;-)

Saw a LPG converted territory's engine in pieces on the floor at a Ford.

Unless you go for LPG injection.

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Dan

[Ext User(Patrick)]

Noddy wrote:
> "DAvid" <davideo@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:VqzTi.3955$CN4.2202@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>> If I gave you $50,000 and said go and buy me what you would consider the
>> best 4WD you can with the money, what would you come back with?
>
> You didn't asnwer my earlier question in that does it *have* to be a 4wd? If
> the answer is no, and the capabilities of a CR-V have satisfied you over the
> last couple of years, then more than likely you'd get by just fine with a
> regular station wagon.
>
> And no, before you start I'm *not* having a go. I'm simply saying that the
> CR-V's off road ability isn't particularly brilliant (n0r is that of the
> Tribute, X-Trail or most of the other "soft roaders). I would also think
> that if you've got by okay with one over that time, then you'd get by
> *equally* okay with a Falcon or Commodore wagon.
>
> If it were me, I'd spend the 50 large on a new VE Commodore wagon and enjoy
> the bonus of better fuel economy, more interior space and *much* better all
> round driving experience, and if I ever found myself in a situation where
> the Commy wouldn't go where the CR-V would (which I genuinely think wouldn't
> be an experience you'd have to endure very often) I'd either park the Commy
> and hire a 4wd for the trip or simply get their by other means.
>
> Finally, to answer you question directly, what I would buy for you would be
> different to what I would buy for myself as I have no idea what your
> particular needs are.
>
> What *I* would *like* would be a Subaru Outback, but they're no bigger than
> the Jeep I currently have and I need the space. What I'll most likely end up
> buying will be a used 2wd Territory Ghia and stick it on gas.
>
>> I know you said the Forrester is a good buy, but they are smaller than my
>> CR-V and therefore not as comfortable. Remember I am 120kg and almost
>> 6'3".
>
> Fat cunt :)
>
> I think you should take another look at the Forester or Outback,

For a big guy, and 6'3"/120 kg is big by my puny standards, a Forester
and an Outback are NOT the same. The Outback is just a fair bit bigger
in the wheelbase, and this feeds directly into seat travel and interior
room.

For a little guy like myself (5'10"/85 kg) it doesn't make much
difference, but a friend was looking at the two cars and it made a big
difference to him.

So if the Forester is too small, the outback may not be.

Off topic: Why are people comfortable using kg for weight, but still
like feet and inches for height?



as they're
> not really smaller than the CR-V inside. They're *lower*, and that can often
> give a false sense, but in terms of interior space it's much of a muchness.
> If you can comfortably live with a CR-V then I can't see why either of the
> Suby's would be a problem at all.
>
> The new Kluger is supposed to be pretty good, but I imagine $50k won't get
> you much of one.
>
> My picks, for what they're worth (and in order of preference) would be
> either of the suby's, a Territory, a Hyundai Santa Fe with the 3.3 litre V6,
> a Kluger, and a Tribute. However, if I had my way and didn't need a 4wd I
> wouldn't buy any of them and would get a new Commodore wagon.
>
> Without a doubt.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Marco" <ignition.vess@gmail.com> wrote in message

> If I did that, I'd be in a new car every 18-20 months! Why do you
> change over that often?

Yeah, I wondered about that too and asked him myself once, but got no
reply.....

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Noddy.

[Ext User(Patrick)]

Noddy wrote:
> "jackbadger56" <castle56@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Surreal..........
>> But yeah, the new Santa Fe looks great, and is available in diesel. No
>> idea how it drives though (if it's on par with *anything* from Korea,
>> ride and handling are a long way from being competitive with Japan or
>> Europe)
>
> I would disagree with that as far as Hyundai is concerned at least.
>
> Not that I'm interested in rushing out to buy any of their cars, but they
> have lifted their game *enormously* over the last 5 years or so and now make
> a very good car for the money which is easily comparable to anything in
> their class which seems to be at odds to other Korean manufacturers.

This agrees with my limited experience with them too. The latest Getz is
the equal of any other small car I've driven (lancer, astra, 3) at least
for the money.

You can't compare it to the previous Excel, they are a whole different
class.



>
> I'd also suggest that nothing in the Santa Fe's class is particularly good
> as far as ride & handling is concerned, and I wouldn't think the Santa Fe
> would be any better or worse.
>
> They certainly look the goods on paper for the money at least.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:29:21 +1000, Noddy PCM code reading says:

>
>> I know you said the Forrester is a good buy, but they are smaller than
>> my CR-V and therefore not as comfortable. Remember I am 120kg and
>> almost 6'3".
>
> Fat cunt :)

Fuck I was 126kw sorry kg's last month now at 122
Was sweet fuck all I could really do when my shoulder was completely
fucked. Apart from eat and drink like a fish but even when I had my back
surgery I didn't eat that much. :-)


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Dan

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:26:09 -0700, Marco PCM code reading says:

> On Oct 24, 10:47 am, "DAvid" <davi...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> With the CR-V running up the miles of late, I might be replacing it
>> sooner than later. I normally upgrade every 2 years (still 10 months to
>> go) or 50,000klms whichever comes first but at 42,000 clicks, that
>> might be pretty soon.
>
> If I did that, I'd be in a new car every 18-20 months! Why do you
> change over that often?

Save on the resale value slump maybe ?.

>
> (23,000km on my 8 month old car...)

Clocking up k's faster than a woman filling up its uterus. ;-)

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Dan

[Ext User(Athol)]

Dan--- <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:26:09 -0700, Marco PCM code reading says:

>> If I did that, I'd be in a new car every 18-20 months! Why do you
>> change over that often?

> Save on the resale value slump maybe ?.

If you were worried about that, you wouldn't be buying new in the
first place. 2 to 3yo is the best value for money age to buy.

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[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:40:53 +0000, Athol PCM code reading says:

> Dan--- <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:26:09 -0700, Marco PCM code reading says:
>
>>> If I did that, I'd be in a new car every 18-20 months! Why do you
>>> change over that often?
>
>> Save on the resale value slump maybe ?.
>
> If you were worried about that, you wouldn't be buying new in the first
> place. 2 to 3yo is the best value for money age to buy.

If I was worried about resale value I would probably buy a new car every
week. :-)

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Dan

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:06:25 +1000, Noddy PCM code reading says:


>
> The Pajero is okay, but nothing special. If you've been satisfied with a
> CR-V, and don't specifically need a dedicated 4wd, then look at
> something like a Mazda Tribute or CX-7, Nissan Murano or X-Trail, Ford
> Territory or Mitsubishi Outlander.

One really decent thing on the Pajero is the use of the Chyrlser Jeeps
transfer case system.

Not that means much anyway but its a pretty good system though.
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[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Dan---" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Hopefully it has XR6 Turbo internals in case you end up with a sump full
> of broken rods from a backfire. ;-)
>
> Saw a LPG converted territory's engine in pieces on the floor at a Ford.

Nasty.

> Unless you go for LPG injection.

Probably not, as it's *way* over priced.

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Noddy.