toyota spacia or imported Japanese car

[Ext User(javawed@gmail.com)]

Hello all,

What I am really looking for is a six seater car with a tight budget
about 20,000(max).

I am thinking to buy a 1999-2000 toyota spacia because of its cheap
price. Can anyone tell me whether I will have a problem of replacing
its parts(Sparks, air filter and etc) in the future since Toyota stop
making this car since 2000?


Another option for me is to import a used Japanese car from Japan
since it is so cheap. Did anyone import any cheap used Japanese car
before and what was the cost involed? How about the parts problem if
we do not have it here. For example if I import a Toyota Estima from
Japan?

Someone machanic told me the only good car is a brand new Toyota car.
He said Toyota Tarago 2007 is the only best car since all the previous
Tarago before year 2006 uses too much petrol. The other car he
recommened is Honda Oddesey.

I did a lot re-search on the internet and become totally confused now
since I found many opnions

Honda - Oddesey
Toyota - Tarago
Toyota- Avensis
Misibishi - Nmibus
Honda - MPV

I do not know what is the best options for me to get a six seater now.

Thanks in advance.

[Ext User(Andy)]

On 25/10/07 9:45 PM, javawed@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> What I am really looking for is a six seater car with a tight budget
> about 20,000(max).



Buy a recent Commodore, Falcon or Magna wagon.

[Ext User(Marco)]

On Oct 25, 9:45 pm, java...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I did a lot re-search on the internet and become totally confused now
> since I found many opnions
>
> Honda - Oddesey
> Toyota - Tarago
> Toyota- Avensis
> Misibishi - Nmibus
> Honda - MPV
>
> I do not know what is the best options for me to get a six seater now.

I think you mean Mazda MPV, not Honda MPV. I'm not all that familiar
with any of those cars buy would think that seeing as they all come
from big name carmakers, it would be hard to go wrong with any of
them. The Tarago and Odyssey have consistently been among the best
sellers - the others are not as popular - so they may be a better bet
(but not necessarily).

You shouldn't have a problem with parts for any of the cars above -
mainly because they're all from big carmakers and a reasonable number
of all of them would have been sold here over the years. Anything you
may not be able to get new in a few years from now you could probably
get used (body panels, interior bits, etc).

Not sure if that helps you or not, really...

Marco

[Ext User(John Hudson)]

"Andy" <nospam@no.no> wrote in message
news:47208246$0$30559$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> On 25/10/07 9:45 PM, javawed@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> What I am really looking for is a six seater car with a tight budget
>> about 20,000(max).
>
>
>
> Buy a recent Commodore, Falcon or Magna wagon.

Where's the sixth seat? In a bus?

[Ext User(Marco)]

On Oct 25, 9:47 pm, Andy <nos...@no.no> wrote:
> On 25/10/07 9:45 PM, java...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
>
> > What I am really looking for is a six seater car with a tight budget
> > about 20,000(max).
>
> Buy a recent Commodore, Falcon or Magna wagon.

Fine if the sixth person he needs to carry is a small child -
otherwise, not much good. Personally I've always thought that someone
who needs more than five seats would be better off getting something
actually designed to do the job, rather than a wagon with some
afterthought seats in the boot.

Marco

[Ext User(Athol)]

John Hudson <huddo@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> "Andy" <nospam@no.no> wrote:
>> On 25/10/07 9:45 PM, javawed@gmail.com wrote:

>>> What I am really looking for is a six seater car with a tight budget
>>> about 20,000(max).

>> Buy a recent Commodore, Falcon or Magna wagon.

> Where's the sixth seat? In a bus?

Well, there are 2 options. One, you get a 6-seater Falcon wagon
(dunno if the Commode is offered in 6-seat but I'm pretty certain
that the Magma isn't). Two, you get a wagon with a 3rd row child
seat.

Depending on the model, that may translate to 2 or 3 kids in the
back plus 5 or 6 adults positions. That can make for a 9-seater
AU wagon, for example. I know, because I did a certificate for
the installation of a 2nd hand 3-position 3rd row seat into an
original 6-seater AU wagon last week...

An AUII/AUIII 6-seat wagon would fit the price range easily,
with money left over in case he gets one that isn't already on
gas.

Converting a 5-seater to a 6-seater using 2nd hand genuine parts
is an option that I wouldn't discount. If he sourced the seat
parts that are different first, the choice of AU wagons is much
easier than limiting yourself to looking for original 6-seaters.

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Ext User(Athol)]

Marco <ignition.vess@gmail.com> wrote:

> Fine if the sixth person he needs to carry is a small child -
> otherwise, not much good. Personally I've always thought that someone
> who needs more than five seats would be better off getting something
> actually designed to do the job, rather than a wagon with some
> afterthought seats in the boot.

You mean like a column shift, factory 6-seater Falcon (AKA taxi pack)?

Oh, and the 3-seater bench that fits in the rear of an AU/BA/BF wagon
is rated as category 2, which is nominally for children to about 12yo.

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Ext User(jackbadger56)]

On Oct 26, 1:01 am, Athol <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> John Hudson <hu...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> > "Andy" <nos...@no.no> wrote:
> >> On 25/10/07 9:45 PM, java...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> What I am really looking for is a six seater car with a tight budget
> >>> about 20,000(max).
> >> Buy a recent Commodore, Falcon or Magna wagon.
> > Where's the sixth seat? In a bus?
>
> Well, there are 2 options. One, you get a 6-seater Falcon wagon
> (dunno if the Commode is offered in 6-seat but I'm pretty certain
> that the Magma isn't). Two, you get a wagon with a 3rd row child
> seat.
>
> Depending on the model, that may translate to 2 or 3 kids in the
> back plus 5 or 6 adults positions. That can make for a 9-seater
> AU wagon, for example. I know, because I did a certificate for
> the installation of a 2nd hand 3-position 3rd row seat into an
> original 6-seater AU wagon last week...
>
> An AUII/AUIII 6-seat wagon would fit the price range easily,
> with money left over in case he gets one that isn't already on
> gas.
>
> Converting a 5-seater to a 6-seater using 2nd hand genuine parts
> is an option that I wouldn't discount. If he sourced the seat
> parts that are different first, the choice of AU wagons is much
> easier than limiting yourself to looking for original 6-seaters.
>
> --
> Athol
> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

Faaaaark!
The OP has listed some perfectly suitable, dedicated people-shifters
and everyone here is trying to persuade him to get a dodgy home
conversion of local shitboxen!

Javaman, just get whatever Toyota (preferably a Tarago) fits your
needs and budget. You should be able to get an early FWD model (approx
year 2000) for around $20k; you buy it, it fits in with your needs,
it'll never give cause for thought again!

[Ext User(Daryl Walford)]

jackbadger56 wrote:
> On Oct 26, 1:01 am, Athol <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> John Hudson <hu...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>> "Andy" <nos...@no.no> wrote:
>>>> On 25/10/07 9:45 PM, java...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> What I am really looking for is a six seater car with a tight budget
>>>>> about 20,000(max).
>>>> Buy a recent Commodore, Falcon or Magna wagon.
>>> Where's the sixth seat? In a bus?
>> Well, there are 2 options. One, you get a 6-seater Falcon wagon
>> (dunno if the Commode is offered in 6-seat but I'm pretty certain
>> that the Magma isn't). Two, you get a wagon with a 3rd row child
>> seat.
>>
>> Depending on the model, that may translate to 2 or 3 kids in the
>> back plus 5 or 6 adults positions. That can make for a 9-seater
>> AU wagon, for example. I know, because I did a certificate for
>> the installation of a 2nd hand 3-position 3rd row seat into an
>> original 6-seater AU wagon last week...
>>
>> An AUII/AUIII 6-seat wagon would fit the price range easily,
>> with money left over in case he gets one that isn't already on
>> gas.
>>
>> Converting a 5-seater to a 6-seater using 2nd hand genuine parts
>> is an option that I wouldn't discount. If he sourced the seat
>> parts that are different first, the choice of AU wagons is much
>> easier than limiting yourself to looking for original 6-seaters.
>>
>> --
>> Athol
>> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
>> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.
>
> Faaaaark!
> The OP has listed some perfectly suitable, dedicated people-shifters
> and everyone here is trying to persuade him to get a dodgy home
> conversion of local shitboxen!

Thats no great surprise when you have driven a couple of examples of
each, the local "shitboxen" win hands down in the driveability contest.
I was overtaken on the hwy today by a Toyota Spacia and the thing looked
so unstable I backed off because I thought it was going to fall over.
>
> Javaman, just get whatever Toyota (preferably a Tarago) fits your
> needs and budget. You should be able to get an early FWD model (approx
> year 2000) for around $20k; you buy it, it fits in with your needs,
> it'll never give cause for thought again!
>
Being a Toyota it will be reliable but don't expect to enjoy driving it
or for it to be cheap to run or maintain.



Daryl

[Ext User(Marco)]

On Oct 28, 10:05 pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>
> Being a Toyota it will be reliable but don't expect to enjoy driving it
> or for it to be cheap to run or maintain.

I thought Toyotas were supposed to be good for running costs?

Marco

[Ext User(Daryl Walford)]

Marco wrote:
> On Oct 28, 10:05 pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> Being a Toyota it will be reliable but don't expect to enjoy driving it
>> or for it to be cheap to run or maintain.
>
> I thought Toyotas were supposed to be good for running costs?
>

Any vehicle the weight and shape of a Tarago which is underpowered as
they are in all but the latest models need to be driven hard to get
anywhere so they use plenty of fuel.
Later models have a engine that lies on its side under the floor making
access difficult so servicing will cost extra.


Daryl

[Ext User(Dan---)]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:21:19 +1100, Daryl Walford PCM code reading says:


>>
>> I thought Toyotas were supposed to be good for running costs?
>>
>>
> Any vehicle the weight and shape of a Tarago which is underpowered as
> they are in all but the latest models need to be driven hard to get
> anywhere so they use plenty of fuel.
> Later models have a engine that lies on its side under the floor making
> access difficult so servicing will cost extra.

I had a squiz of the new V6 Tarago engine bay and still looks like a
nightmare to doing any servicing on it. Even though they have shoved the
engine in the front and having a FWD layout.

Oh well not my job to worry about them though. :-)

--
Regards
Dan

[Ext User(Toby Ponsenby)]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:21:19 +1100, Daryl Walford blathered on in :

> Marco wrote:
>> On Oct 28, 10:05 pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>> Being a Toyota it will be reliable but don't expect to enjoy driving
>>> it or for it to be cheap to run or maintain.
>>
>> I thought Toyotas were supposed to be good for running costs?
>>
>>
> Any vehicle the weight and shape of a Tarago which is underpowered as
> they are in all but the latest models need to be driven hard to get
> anywhere so they use plenty of fuel.
> Later models have a engine that lies on its side under the floor making
> access difficult so servicing will cost extra.
>
>
> Daryl

And the parts prices don't really bear thinking about...




--
Toby

[Ext User(jackbadger56)]

On Oct 28, 10:05 pm, Daryl Walford <dwalf...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> jackbadger56 wrote:
> > On Oct 26, 1:01 am, Athol <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >> John Hudson <hu...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>> "Andy" <nos...@no.no> wrote:
> >>>> On 25/10/07 9:45 PM, java...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> What I am really looking for is a six seater car with a tight budget
> >>>>> about 20,000(max).
> >>>> Buy a recent Commodore, Falcon or Magna wagon.
> >>> Where's the sixth seat? In a bus?
> >> Well, there are 2 options. One, you get a 6-seater Falcon wagon
> >> (dunno if the Commode is offered in 6-seat but I'm pretty certain
> >> that the Magma isn't). Two, you get a wagon with a 3rd row child
> >> seat.
>
> >> Depending on the model, that may translate to 2 or 3 kids in the
> >> back plus 5 or 6 adults positions. That can make for a 9-seater
> >> AU wagon, for example. I know, because I did a certificate for
> >> the installation of a 2nd hand 3-position 3rd row seat into an
> >> original 6-seater AU wagon last week...
>
> >> An AUII/AUIII 6-seat wagon would fit the price range easily,
> >> with money left over in case he gets one that isn't already on
> >> gas.
>
> >> Converting a 5-seater to a 6-seater using 2nd hand genuine parts
> >> is an option that I wouldn't discount. If he sourced the seat
> >> parts that are different first, the choice of AU wagons is much
> >> easier than limiting yourself to looking for original 6-seaters.
>
> >> --
> >> Athol
> >> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
> >> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.
>
> > Faaaaark!
> > The OP has listed some perfectly suitable, dedicated people-shifters
> > and everyone here is trying to persuade him to get a dodgy home
> > conversion of local shitboxen!
>
> Thats no great surprise when you have driven a couple of examples of
> each, the local "shitboxen" win hands down in the driveability contest.
> I was overtaken on the hwy today by a Toyota Spacia and the thing looked
> so unstable I backed off because I thought it was going to fall over.
>
> > Javaman, just get whatever Toyota (preferably a Tarago) fits your
> > needs and budget. You should be able to get an early FWD model (approx
> > year 2000) for around $20k; you buy it, it fits in with your needs,
> > it'll never give cause for thought again!
>
> Being a Toyota it will be reliable but don't expect to enjoy driving it
> or for it to be cheap to run or maintain.
>
> Daryl

Fair point, although I developed the theory a long time ago that if
anyone asks me for a recommendation of what to buy, it's safest just
to steer them towards whatever Toyota fits the bill. Do you think the
OP is really into cars? Enough to notice that a VT wagon handles
slightly better at nine tenths than a Falcon? I doubt it very much. If
I recommended a Holden or Ford, the chances of it being unreliable are
far greater than if it were a Toyota. A car that doesn't give any
trouble but doesn't feel great through chicanes will be remembered for
all the best reasons and back up your suggestion, rather than
something that corners a bit smarter but keeps having problems.
It all comes down to odds! ;-)