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Ext User(Judoman)
13-12-2007, 07:34 AM
I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
somehow?

thanks

Ext User(Noddy)
13-12-2007, 08:23 AM
"Judoman" <yoko.guruma@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e22b4e02-e0a1-48cd-a017-6dca48b7f5ca@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
> seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
> However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
> potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
> damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
> somehow?

It is only superficial, and if you can live with the look of the car it's a
cheap way to buy a late model one. However, it's teribly expensive to
repair, and most cars suffering from it are sold as repairable write offs.
If you're contemplating buying a hail damaged car check it's details against
the written off vehicle registrar in your state, as if it's listed it'll
make it difficult to sell in the future.


--
Regards,
Noddy.

Ext User(Judoman)
13-12-2007, 09:23 AM
On Dec 13, 8:10 am, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> "Judoman" <yoko.gur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e22b4e02-e0a1-48cd-a017-6dca48b7f5ca@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
> > seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
> > However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
> > potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
> > damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
> > somehow?
>
> It is only superficial, and if you can live with the look of the car it's a
> cheap way to buy a late model one. However, it's teribly expensive to
> repair, and most cars suffering from it are sold as repairable write offs.
> If you're contemplating buying a hail damaged car check it's details against
> the written off vehicle registrar in your state, as if it's listed it'll
> make it difficult to sell in the future.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

thanks Noddy. Assuming its in the registrar ... how do you mean it'll
make the vehicle difficult to sell? If I think its a good deal (2004
Corolla Levin wagon, 41000 km's, dual airbag, ABS, extras etc) now for
19k, wouldn't someone else think the same thing in 5 years, maybe i
could get 15000 or something then for it? Actually i shouldn't
mention potential resale prices, I know nothing about selling used
cars / values etc. Anyway we hope to keep this car for a long time,
so maybe reselling doesn't matter.

Ext User(Marco)
13-12-2007, 09:23 AM
On Dec 13, 8:10 am, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> "Judoman" <yoko.gur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e22b4e02-e0a1-48cd-a017-6dca48b7f5ca@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
> > seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
> > However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
> > potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
> > damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
> > somehow?
>
> It is only superficial, and if you can live with the look of the car it's a
> cheap way to buy a late model one. However, it's teribly expensive to
> repair, and most cars suffering from it are sold as repairable write offs.
> If you're contemplating buying a hail damaged car check it's details against
> the written off vehicle registrar in your state, as if it's listed it'll
> make it difficult to sell in the future.

I remember at the time of the big Sydney hailstorm in 1999, a mate of
mine's Dad worked at the RTA and told stories of people coming in
who'd just bought hail damaged cars at auction etc and wanted to get
them registered, only to be told they couldn't be registered unless
they could prove the damage that led to them being written off had
been repaired.

I don't know if that's accurate or not, but you should probably check
with the RTA about the ins and outs of getting the car registered
again just in case (unless the car is still registered, I suppose).

I suspect if you wanted to insure the car you'd need to repair the
damage first, but probably wouldn't matter if the car was old/cheap/
both and you just wanted third party.

Marco

Ext User(John_H)
13-12-2007, 09:33 AM
Judoman wrote:

>I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
>seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
>However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
>potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
>damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
>somehow?

Hail damage ought be entirely superficial, but the one thing you can
be sure of is that it won't be an economic proposition to repair if
you get tired of owning a car that looks like a golf ball!

I can't help but notice the ones I see in our local shopping centre
carpark after every major hail event don't seem to stay around for
long. Presumably their owners get sick of the appearance and move 'em
on, including those that aren't insured. Those that are insured no
doubt get written off once the assessor has seen them.

From a purely aesthetic viewpoint, the more extensive the damage the
better they usually look -- they're the ones that look like golf balls
from any direction. :)

Look before you buy and decide whether you'll be able to live with it
at the price, which ought be a huge reduction on normal market value.
Also bear in mind that if you happen to incur further panel damage,
for whatever reason, any repairs you need to have done will make it
look absolutely shithouse (and won't cost any less).

--
John H

Ext User(David Springthorpe)
13-12-2007, 10:23 AM
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:21:56 +1000, John_H <john4721@inbox.com> wrote:

>From a purely aesthetic viewpoint, the more extensive the damage the
>better they usually look -- they're the ones that look like golf balls
>from any direction. :)

My nephew in Brizzy had one just like that - bizarre to say the least.....

Ext User(Slip)
13-12-2007, 11:13 AM
"Judoman" <yoko.guruma@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e22b4e02-e0a1-48cd-a017-6dca48b7f5ca@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
> seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
> However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
> potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
> damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
> somehow?
>
> thanks

You don't mention if it's a new car you are buying. If it's new and it's not
too bad a damage and you can live with it, go for it. Afterall it's only
appearance and shouldn't impact on the mechanical side of things. Repairing
can be very expensive as the roof and bonnet as well as the boot are
sometimes just replaced and painted. Also check to see if it's a "repairable
write-off" and you can have this done via the Registrar of written-off
vehicles. If it's listed and you don't intend selling the car for a very
long time, then go for it but if you want to make a quick buck, forget it.

Regards,

Slip

Ext User(Jason James)
13-12-2007, 11:43 AM
"Judoman" <yoko.guruma@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 13, 8:10 am, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> > "Judoman" <yoko.gur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> >
news:e22b4e02-e0a1-48cd-a017-6dca48b7f5ca@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
> > > seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
> > > However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
> > > potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
> > > damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
> > > somehow?
> >
> > It is only superficial, and if you can live with the look of the car
it's a
> > cheap way to buy a late model one. However, it's teribly expensive to
> > repair, and most cars suffering from it are sold as repairable write
offs.
> > If you're contemplating buying a hail damaged car check it's details
against
> > the written off vehicle registrar in your state, as if it's listed it'll
> > make it difficult to sell in the future.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Noddy.
>
> thanks Noddy. Assuming its in the registrar ... how do you mean it'll
> make the vehicle difficult to sell? If I think its a good deal (2004
> Corolla Levin wagon, 41000 km's, dual airbag, ABS, extras etc) now for
> 19k, wouldn't someone else think the same thing in 5 years, maybe i
> could get 15000 or something then for it? Actually i shouldn't
> mention potential resale prices, I know nothing about selling used
> cars / values etc. Anyway we hope to keep this car for a long time,
> so maybe reselling doesn't matter.

If you can put up with the damage, then no probs,...but as to getting a good
price further down the track,..think twice about that. An old car always
attracts the best price thru its body appearance.

Jason

Ext User(Noddy)
13-12-2007, 12:13 PM
"Judoman" <yoko.guruma@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5bf52998-42fc-490f-bbc2->

> thanks Noddy. Assuming its in the registrar ... how do you mean it'll
> make the vehicle difficult to sell?

Once it's been classed as a repairable write off it'll always be registered
as a "repaired write off" once it is re-registered and put back on the road.

Apart from making that not very appealing to future potential buyers, it
could also be difficult to insure.

> If I think its a good deal (2004
> Corolla Levin wagon, 41000 km's, dual airbag, ABS, extras etc) now for
> 19k, wouldn't someone else think the same thing in 5 years, maybe i
> could get 15000 or something then for it? Actually i shouldn't
> mention potential resale prices, I know nothing about selling used
> cars / values etc. Anyway we hope to keep this car for a long time,
> so maybe reselling doesn't matter.

Maybe it won't.

All I'm suggesting is that if it is classed as a rapairable write off (and
I'm not saying it is, but rather that it *might be), then you're limiting
the car's future selling value to people such as yourself who are prepared
to overlook such issues in exchange for a discounted price. Essentially,
that means that in order to off load it when you're tired of it, you'll have
to consider giving a potential buyer the same kind of discount you got when
you bought it, and some people find that hard to do.

Then again, it might not be a repairable write off and just a privately
owned car with damage that hasn't been claimed against.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

Ext User(pit)
13-12-2007, 12:53 PM
On Dec 13, 10:07 am, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> "Judoman" <yoko.gur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5bf52998-42fc-490f-bbc2->
>
> > thanks Noddy. Assuming its in the registrar ... how do you mean it'll
> > make the vehicle difficult to sell?
>
> Once it's been classed as a repairable write off it'll always be registered
> as a "repaired write off" once it is re-registered and put back on the road.
>
> Apart from making that not very appealing to future potential buyers, it
> could also be difficult to insure.
>
> > If I think its a good deal (2004
> > Corolla Levin wagon, 41000 km's, dual airbag, ABS, extras etc) now for
> > 19k, wouldn't someone else think the same thing in 5 years, maybe i
> > could get 15000 or something then for it? Actually i shouldn't
> > mention potential resale prices, I know nothing about selling used
> > cars / values etc. Anyway we hope to keep this car for a long time,
> > so maybe reselling doesn't matter.
>
> Maybe it won't.
>
> All I'm suggesting is that if it is classed as a rapairable write off (and
> I'm not saying it is, but rather that it *might be), then you're limiting
> the car's future selling value to people such as yourself who are prepared
> to overlook such issues in exchange for a discounted price. Essentially,
> that means that in order to off load it when you're tired of it, you'll have
> to consider giving a potential buyer the same kind of discount you got when
> you bought it, and some people find that hard to do.
>
> Then again, it might not be a repairable write off and just a privately
> owned car with damage that hasn't been claimed against.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

AS an aside on Hail Damage
Years ago in Late 70's there was a dealer called JOHN L
Bit of a -lets say ":Character" and a real worry to those who
provided floor plan to him

Things like speedos having "hair cuts" tyres engines and all sorts
of things swapped over keys of potential clients thrown on roof until
they did a deal and stuff that legends are made of only true.
Example went in one day when I was with Benz Australia and the
company 300 sel 3.5 had a nice radio (becker) came back and a
bloody Astra push button had been swapped over while talking to
truline (John L ) Getting the picture ?

We from Benz had a bit of exposure on stock that he had äcquired" and
had some issues with Non Genuine log books and little things like that
so doing an audit on every benze he had contact with ( would make a
great film)

There was the mother of All hail storms out Auburn Parra way where
this bloke had his yards arrived just after hail storm and here
were detailers and sales germs with ball pein hammers
going the rat on stock on floor plan so they could claim
insurance .

You reckon care salesmen and woman are the scum of the earth in 2007
you should have seen them in those days :):)

Laugh about some of the tricks now but what they did to thier
customers really was criminal Ron Hodgson was another dealer that
used the hammer / hail method

Thank gawd those days have gone

Ext User(person)
13-12-2007, 01:03 PM
On Dec 13, 6:32 am, Judoman <yoko.gur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
> seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
> However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
> potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
> damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
> somehow?
>
> thanks

Well I've seen some of them and they can be _really_ damaged.

Do you want to pay $19k for a car that looks like a rooted old 180B ?
I wouldn't.
After all, engines aren't that expensive.

Ext User(OzOne)
13-12-2007, 01:03 PM
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:43:41 -0800 (PST), pit <spamlister@gmail.com>
wrote:


>
> Thank gawd those days have gone

Yeah yesterday's gone.......




OzOne of the three twins

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Ext User(Atheist Chaplain)
13-12-2007, 01:43 PM
"pit" <spamlister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:650a54f6-d9f8-4a69-ab0c-322e9680b868@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 13, 10:07 am, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> "Judoman" <yoko.gur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5bf52998-42fc-490f-bbc2->
>
> > thanks Noddy. Assuming its in the registrar ... how do you mean it'll
> > make the vehicle difficult to sell?
>
> Once it's been classed as a repairable write off it'll always be
> registered
> as a "repaired write off" once it is re-registered and put back on the
> road.
>
> Apart from making that not very appealing to future potential buyers, it
> could also be difficult to insure.
>
> > If I think its a good deal (2004
> > Corolla Levin wagon, 41000 km's, dual airbag, ABS, extras etc) now for
> > 19k, wouldn't someone else think the same thing in 5 years, maybe i
> > could get 15000 or something then for it? Actually i shouldn't
> > mention potential resale prices, I know nothing about selling used
> > cars / values etc. Anyway we hope to keep this car for a long time,
> > so maybe reselling doesn't matter.
>
> Maybe it won't.
>
> All I'm suggesting is that if it is classed as a rapairable write off (and
> I'm not saying it is, but rather that it *might be), then you're limiting
> the car's future selling value to people such as yourself who are prepared
> to overlook such issues in exchange for a discounted price. Essentially,
> that means that in order to off load it when you're tired of it, you'll
> have
> to consider giving a potential buyer the same kind of discount you got
> when
> you bought it, and some people find that hard to do.
>
> Then again, it might not be a repairable write off and just a privately
> owned car with damage that hasn't been claimed against.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

AS an aside on Hail Damage
Years ago in Late 70's there was a dealer called JOHN L
Bit of a -lets say ":Character" and a real worry to those who
provided floor plan to him

Things like speedos having "hair cuts" tyres engines and all sorts
of things swapped over keys of potential clients thrown on roof until
they did a deal and stuff that legends are made of only true.
Example went in one day when I was with Benz Australia and the
company 300 sel 3.5 had a nice radio (becker) came back and a
bloody Astra push button had been swapped over while talking to
truline (John L ) Getting the picture ?

We from Benz had a bit of exposure on stock that he had äcquired" and
had some issues with Non Genuine log books and little things like that
so doing an audit on every benze he had contact with ( would make a
great film)

There was the mother of All hail storms out Auburn Parra way where
this bloke had his yards arrived just after hail storm and here
were detailers and sales germs with ball pein hammers
going the rat on stock on floor plan so they could claim
insurance .

You reckon care salesmen and woman are the scum of the earth in 2007
you should have seen them in those days :):)

Laugh about some of the tricks now but what they did to thier
customers really was criminal Ron Hodgson was another dealer that
used the hammer / hail method

Thank gawd those days have gone

A friend of a friend did that to his car once to claim hail damage,
unfortunately the assessor who came to look at his car had just finished
looking at several hundred real hail damaged cars so could spot the fake a
mile away, it seems that the guy had used only one ballpein hammer so the
damage was not only all the one size but he patterned it like a golf ball,
with some every neat spacing :-)
on the down side of that same storm, another friend had just pulled a
completely restored XY-GT (that was in immaculate condition) out of the shed
for the first time in 18 months, the day before and when the storm hit he
had no cover to park it under :-(


--
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Don Hirschberg

Ext User(pit)
13-12-2007, 03:03 PM
On Dec 13, 11:30 am, "Atheist Chaplain" <ab...@cia.gov> wrote:
> "pit" <spamlis...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Snip
> on the down side of that same storm, another friend had just pulled a
> completely restored XY-GT (that was in immaculate condition) out of the shed
> for the first time in 18 months, the day before and when the storm hit he
> had no cover to park it under :-(
>
Geez Poor bugger .

reports reaching over here in the west that it was very severe .

Just thinking an inflatable type car cover may have some commercial
applications.
Hail can be a killer

Ext User(Judoman)
13-12-2007, 03:53 PM
On Dec 13, 12:07 pm, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> "Judoman" <yoko.gur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5bf52998-42fc-490f-bbc2->
>
> > thanks Noddy. Assuming its in the registrar ... how do you mean it'll
> > make the vehicle difficult to sell?
>
> Once it's been classed as a repairable write off it'll always be registered
> as a "repaired write off" once it is re-registered and put back on the road.
>
> Apart from making that not very appealing to future potential buyers, it
> could also be difficult to insure.
>
> > If I think its a good deal (2004
> > Corolla Levin wagon, 41000 km's, dual airbag, ABS, extras etc) now for
> > 19k, wouldn't someone else think the same thing in 5 years, maybe i
> > could get 15000 or something then for it? Actually i shouldn't
> > mention potential resale prices, I know nothing about selling used
> > cars / values etc. Anyway we hope to keep this car for a long time,
> > so maybe reselling doesn't matter.
>
> Maybe it won't.
>
> All I'm suggesting is that if it is classed as a rapairable write off (and
> I'm not saying it is, but rather that it *might be), then you're limiting
> the car's future selling value to people such as yourself who are prepared
> to overlook such issues in exchange for a discounted price. Essentially,
> that means that in order to off load it when you're tired of it, you'll have
> to consider giving a potential buyer the same kind of discount you got when
> you bought it, and some people find that hard to do.
>
> Then again, it might not be a repairable write off and just a privately
> owned car with damage that hasn't been claimed against.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.

Thanks very much everyone for the education, you've been very
helpful. Much appreciated. Unfortunately for me, someone else put a
deposit on the car. But, my mate at work has shown me some links to
auction sites, and advised me to look there for good deals on cars.

Cheers,
Charlie

Ext User(tipsy@beerlover.com)
13-12-2007, 04:33 PM
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:32:10 -0800 (PST), Judoman <yoko.guruma@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm looking at buying a car in Sydney, seven hours away. I've only
> seen the ad for it on the internet, and it seems like a good deal.
> However, it says 'hail sale - slight hail damage'. Is this
> potentially a big deal? I've never seen it before. To me, hail
> damage sounds like a superficial thing. Or can it be very bad
> somehow?

Unless the damage is repaired you will have great difficulty getting it insured.

Ext User(Bugalugs)
13-12-2007, 06:33 PM
Judoman wrote:
> On Dec 13, 12:07 pm, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
>> "Judoman" <yoko.gur...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5bf52998-42fc-490f-bbc2->
>>
>>> thanks Noddy. Assuming its in the registrar ... how do you mean it'll
>>> make the vehicle difficult to sell?
>> Once it's been classed as a repairable write off it'll always be registered
>> as a "repaired write off" once it is re-registered and put back on the road.
>>
>> Apart from making that not very appealing to future potential buyers, it
>> could also be difficult to insure.
>>
>>> If I think its a good deal (2004
>>> Corolla Levin wagon, 41000 km's, dual airbag, ABS, extras etc) now for
>>> 19k, wouldn't someone else think the same thing in 5 years, maybe i
>>> could get 15000 or something then for it? Actually i shouldn't
>>> mention potential resale prices, I know nothing about selling used
>>> cars / values etc. Anyway we hope to keep this car for a long time,
>>> so maybe reselling doesn't matter.
>> Maybe it won't.
>>
>> All I'm suggesting is that if it is classed as a rapairable write off (and
>> I'm not saying it is, but rather that it *might be), then you're limiting
>> the car's future selling value to people such as yourself who are prepared
>> to overlook such issues in exchange for a discounted price. Essentially,
>> that means that in order to off load it when you're tired of it, you'll have
>> to consider giving a potential buyer the same kind of discount you got when
>> you bought it, and some people find that hard to do.
>>
>> Then again, it might not be a repairable write off and just a privately
>> owned car with damage that hasn't been claimed against.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Noddy.
>
> Thanks very much everyone for the education, you've been very
> helpful. Much appreciated. Unfortunately for me, someone else put a
> deposit on the car.

Might not have been unfortunate...,Might have been a bit of a godsend!!!

(can I use that word here :>) ?? )



But, my mate at work has shown me some links to
> auction sites, and advised me to look there for good deals on cars.
>
> Cheers,
> Charlie

Ext User(OzOne)
13-12-2007, 06:43 PM
I've had two Magnas caught in hailstorms and suffered quite severe
damage.
Both a white and a black were repaired by paintless dent removal and
still after 3 or 4 years look like new...dare I say the black one
(green actually) looks better than when new.


Now I'll sit back and wait for the Mitsu sledging to start because the
jerkers just can't help themselves.




OzOne of the three twins

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