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Ext User(the_dawggie)

24-01-2008, 10:23 PM

Speed limits in NSW

The country property I go to has 100 signs
on a five meter wide goat track with not something
the latest and greatest sports car would deal with.

So ... I guess, NSW on some roads are not speed
restricted.

Ext User(Mot Adv)

24-01-2008, 10:23 PM

Ext User(James)

24-01-2008, 10:33 PM

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8a5a2a6a-3c7c-43c2-a88b-6980f5fd0dce@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Speed limits in NSW
>
> The country property I go to has 100 signs
> on a five meter wide goat track with not something
> the latest and greatest sports car would deal with.
>
> So ... I guess, NSW on some roads are not speed
> restricted.

I've come across similar in Tassie. North of Corinna on the west coast, upon
exiting the "town" there are 100km/h signs for a road that is essentially a
string of gravel hairpin bends. Luckily we did not come across any trucks
going the opposite way (actually we didn't come across any other cars at
all).

James

Ext User(George W. Frost)

24-01-2008, 10:53 PM

"Mot Adv" <mot.adv@internode.on.net> wrote in message
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>
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8a5a2a6a-3c7c-43c2-a88b-6980f5fd0dce@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> Speed limits in NSW
>>
>> The country property I go to has 100 signs
>> on a five meter wide goat track with not something
>> the latest and greatest sports car would deal with.
>>
>> So ... I guess, NSW on some roads are not speed
>> restricted.
>
> "ACTUAL" numerical 100 signs or did you mean derestriction?

They don't have derestriction signs any more...do they ??

Ext User(Mot Adv)

24-01-2008, 11:13 PM

"George W. Frost"
>> "ACTUAL" numerical 100 signs or did you mean derestriction?

> They don't have derestriction signs any more...do they ??
Still a few hiding away. Councils use to post them a few years ago on the
authority of an old NSW RTA 'Speed Zoning Guideline', the authority for them
to do so was removed back in 2004 here in NSW in recognition of the
governing UN Convention and AS1742.4 of 1999 which tells us 'that no speed
limit applies to the road beyond the sign'. (Hence you see its legal use -
at exit of pits, and a mandatory one at that, when under motor race
conditions).

(In AS 'speed control signage standards', a normal numerical speed-limit
sign is catalogued as an R4-1, a derestriction R4-2, and an end speed limit
sign R4-12).

They will only be used again on public roads IF RTA decide that a 'length of
road' need not carry an absolute maximum. This would likely be the case if
the road is a high-standard highway where its use would not negatively
impact overall road safety. It will be the exception rather than the rule.

The exception under that is L, P1, P2 drivers *do* remain speed-limited past
a derestriction sign - because of their respective 'license conditions'
that highlight maximum speeds, ie; L=80, P1-90, P2=100.

Many of the old derestriction signs around NSW, indeed AUS for that matter,
are being replaced with AS1742.4's R4-12 "End Speed-Limit" sign, this one
does fall back (defaults to) the rural speed limit as applied, it will be
particularly used where the road ahead is of lower quality standard, it
might have soft edges, poor camber, dellineation issues, hidden driveways,
rail crossings, narrow etc.

To date, NSW continues efforts at 'refining' the R4-12 end speed-limit sign
in relation to dimensions and additional notification that can be added vis
'Drive to Conditions'.

Jeremy.

Ext User(Athol)

24-01-2008, 11:23 PM

George W. Frost <frosty@iceworks.org> wrote:
> "Mot Adv" <mot.adv@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> The country property I go to has 100 signs
>>> on a five meter wide goat track with not something
>>> the latest and greatest sports car would deal with.

Crap. It's a comfortable road at 100 in places. You just have to
slow down sensibly for the winding bits...

>>> So ... I guess, NSW on some roads are not speed
>>> restricted.

>> "ACTUAL" numerical 100 signs or did you mean derestriction?

Pretty sure it's actual 100 signs, which is fine on the straighter
parts...

> They don't have derestriction signs any more...do they ??

They have both varieties. "End speed limit" type and the real
derestriction black circle and slash sign are used in various
locations in NSW. I've photographed both types in the upper
hunter in the past year IIRC.

--
Athol
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I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

Ext User(Albm&ctd)

25-01-2008, 04:23 PM

In article <13pgvltmph637f9@corp.supernews.com>, mot.adv@internode.on.net
says...
> 'Drive to Conditions'.
>
The condition of this road is poor.
Please drive poorly.

Al
--
When schools of fish were studied, it was found that the leaders had
brain damage.
We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on
our leaders.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

Ext User(the_dawggie)

25-01-2008, 07:53 PM

On Jan 24, 11:15 pm, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> George W. Frost <fro...@iceworks.org> wrote:
>
> > "Mot Adv" <mot....@internode.on.net> wrote:
> >> "the_dawggie" <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>> The country property I go to has 100 signs
> >>> on a five meter wide goat track with not something
> >>> the latest and greatest sports car would deal with.
>
> Crap. It's a comfortable road at 100 in places. You just have to
> slow down sensibly for the winding bits...
>
> >>> So ... I guess, NSW on some roads are not speed
> >>> restricted.
> >> "ACTUAL" numerical 100 signs or did you mean derestriction?
>
> Pretty sure it's actual 100 signs, which is fine on the straighter
> parts...

It is not a straight road. You've driven it and know it.
Conditions on it are also very variable. Oh, there is also
a winding road sign before getting to my place on a
close to 80 degree corner on a 5 metre - yep, that
is both lanes, corner.

There is no way in hell I'd drive more than around 65
on most of it.

I know you would, I've been with you in a car, and
felt uncomfortable - yes you are an excellent driver
however I was was getting the heebie jeebies with
you sliding the arse end of it around corners on dirt
roads :-p

It is a curious example of speed limits although.
I don't believe that road is capable of 100, then there
are other roads rated at a lot less and are better roads,
and I'm going along at 50 when 100 would be OK.

I'm not really making a reference to the the Steven
King novel, Pet Sematary however you gotta
ask this stuff.

Ext User(Albm&ctd)

26-01-2008, 03:33 PM

In article <3e4e8de3-fb8e-49d7-8a95-
2e3f8609565f@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com>, the_dawggie@hotmail.com
says...
> There is no way in hell I'd drive more than around 65
> on most of it.
>
Rather than beg for lowered speed limits on this 100 km/h limited road,
I'd suggest pointing out this road.. to claim that the speed limit is
*SAFE* and that other far better roads could have limits of 200 km/h.

The end result would be nobody speeding and breaking the 'law'. It's only
when you break the speed limit that bad things happen... Sorry, years of
brainwashing speed kills conditioning may have caused that statement.

Al
--
When schools of fish were studied, it was found that the leaders had
brain damage.
We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on
our leaders.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

Ext User(Athol)

28-01-2008, 08:53 PM

the_dawggie <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:

>> Pretty sure it's actual 100 signs, which is fine on the straighter
>> parts...

> It is not a straight road. You've driven it and know it.

Yep. The straightish part near the T intersection at Mullion
Creek was absolutely fine at speed...

IIRC, it had a lower limit, which was kinda stupid (and duly
ignored :-) ).

> Conditions on it are also very variable. Oh, there is also
> a winding road sign before getting to my place on a
> close to 80 degree corner on a 5 metre - yep, that
> is both lanes, corner.

That's fine. The width limit on normal vehicles is 2.5m, which
would inevitably include some side overhang, so no problem. :-)

> There is no way in hell I'd drive more than around 65
> on most of it.

Yeah, but you're in a diesel hilux 4WD. :-)

> I know you would, I've been with you in a car, and
> felt uncomfortable - yes you are an excellent driver
> however I was was getting the heebie jeebies with
> you sliding the arse end of it around corners on dirt
> roads :-p

I don't consider myself an excellent driver. I'm an average
driver IMO. Of course, I consider anyone who claims to be a
good driver to be a totally shit driver...

If the back of the vehicle is not drifting sideways through
the corners on a gravel road, you're not going fast enough. :-)

IIRC, I didn't get it really sideways or use opposite lock with
you in the car, so I don't know what you're complaining about.

Oh, and I don't recall going particularly fast with you in the
car, either. About 130km/h on tar was about it. I've done
110MPH on gravel, but the Falcon's not really set up right for
that...

> It is a curious example of speed limits although.
> I don't believe that road is capable of 100, then there
> are other roads rated at a lot less and are better roads,
> and I'm going along at 50 when 100 would be OK.

Politics sometimes has a bigger say than common sense...

> I'm not really making a reference to the the Steven
> King novel, Pet Sematary however you gotta
> ask this stuff.

Wouldn't have a clue what you're on about here, and frankly
don't care after 2 days wasted in Sydney waiting for a court
case to start, then a 4-day trip to Canberra...

Now I need at least a weekend and I've gotta start catching up
on an unknown work backlog. :-(

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.