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[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
comes up plausible.

Anyone done?

Yes, there are a lot of things to consider doing this, however
looks doable.

[Ext User(atec77)]

the_dawggie wrote:
> I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
> tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
> current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
> that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
> I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
> comes up plausible.
>
> Anyone done?
>
> Yes, there are a lot of things to consider doing this, however
> looks doable.
Common conversion is the old holden 6 but an easy one is the holden v6.
and of course several of the medium sized jap v6's which cost more.

[Ext User(Casey Simmons)]

Anything is possible!

What are those 2l-t's in the surfs like? Any good? Do many miles?
Considering buying one but not sure if it'll have the balls i desire. I'm
used of driving a 2.2L petrol 4runner so overtaking can be quite a
challenge, i don't want to spend $10k on a car and have the same kind of
problems!!

Thanks



"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
> tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
> current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
> that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
> I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
> comes up plausible.
>
> Anyone done?
>
> Yes, there are a lot of things to consider doing this, however
> looks doable.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone done?

No.

> Yes, there are a lot of things to consider doing this, however
> looks doable.

Maybe, but why would you *want* to?

Why wouldn't you just either stick with the Smurf, or dump the mechanicals
into an old Hilux ute? Either way you'd have a *much* better vehicle.

Old Landys don't just have terrible mechanicals. Everything about them is
rotten to the core :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Athol)]

the_dawggie <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
> tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
> current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
> that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
> I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
> comes up plausible.

Did you also measure across the spring saddles to compare the mounts
on the diffs?

If you're going to make a landrover slower by fitting a diesel slug,
you may as well fit the matching diffs and brakes.

That way, when someone subsequently fits a commode V6 using the kit
intended for a hilux, the diffs and brakes are up to the job... :-)

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Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Jan 28, 9:18 pm, "Noddy" <m...@home.com> wrote:
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4267aa14-dddc-4b9f-8f65-
>
> > Anyone done?
>
> No.
>
> > Yes, there are a lot of things to consider doing this, however
> > looks doable.
>
> Maybe, but why would you *want* to?
>
> Why wouldn't you just either stick with the Smurf, or dump the mechanicals
> into an old Hilux ute? Either way you'd have a *much* better vehicle.
>
> Old Landys don't just have terrible mechanicals. Everything about them is
> rotten to the core :)

I know this, and will be the person doing the rewiring
(like I did on his other Landrover) unless I can get out
of it. This one is quite impressive. On the firewall
junction box is a cable held connected with a wooden
clothes peg. I'm not sure I've seen that before, or want
to know, or at this point in time know what it does.

The mate has a spare 2L-T and his Smurf has not shat
itself yet, however he needed a pickup, so bought
the Landie. The 2.25 litre in it is kinda um, and
broken in a subtle way in that it leakes coolant
into the rear spark plug hole. This causes the
obvious condition the the rear spark plug goes to
around 30K ohms once the water gets into it. It
no longer works.

He loves his Smurf and wants the spare engine he
has into the Landie. Will have to get tranny/xfer
which should be fairly cheap.

It kinda weird the diff on the front axle would line
up with the 'lux stuff, might need some drive shaft
engineering, however I'm thinking doable.

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Jan 28, 9:30 pm, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> the_dawggie <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
> > tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
> > current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
> > that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
> > I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
> > comes up plausible.
>
> Did you also measure across the spring saddles to compare the mounts
> on the diffs?

Yes.

> If you're going to make a landrover slower by fitting a diesel slug,
> you may as well fit the matching diffs and brakes.

The 2L-T kinda is a slug, however it's better than the
"2 and a quarter" litre petrol shitter currently in there.

> That way, when someone subsequently fits a commode V6 using the kit
> intended for a hilux, the diffs and brakes are up to the job... :-)


I'm not intending to fit a Commode V6 to anything, neither
is Alex, who bought said vehicle.

The way the front live axle from factory looks close to
an older Hilux. Meybe close enough.

[Ext User(Kev)]

Athol wrote:
> the_dawggie <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
>> tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
>> current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
>> that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
>> I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
>> comes up plausible.
>
> Did you also measure across the spring saddles to compare the mounts
> on the diffs?
>
> If you're going to make a landrover slower by fitting a diesel slug,
> you may as well fit the matching diffs and brakes.
>
> That way, when someone subsequently fits a commode V6 using the kit
> intended for a hilux, the diffs and brakes are up to the job... :-)
>


The 2L-T has about 200 hp more than the Landy 4 cyl petrol(then again so
does a whipper snipper engine)
it will be a lot quicker than it ever was and
it will be no slower than putting a red six into it, but use about half
as much fuel doing it

the only thing to watch with the 2L-T is the cooling. over heating them
does the heads no good(as with any 2L or 2L-T)

not sure about the diff ratios though
it's be revving over 3000rpm at 90(even with the 5 speed) which is
almost past the power band of the 2L-T(2400-3200rpm) fitting taller
tyres should fix that though

but the best option is to leave the Surf engine in the surf and sell the
landy to the metal merchants, the ally in it would be worth more as
scrap than the whole car


Kev

[Ext User(RainbowWarrior)]

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4267aa14-dddc-4b9f-8f65-37ec60eac1c8@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
> tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
> current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
> that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
> I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
> comes up plausible.
>
> Anyone done?
>
> Yes, there are a lot of things to consider doing this, however
> looks doable.

Just about anything can be shoe horned into a Landrover, I seen a Ford 351
in one.
Just remember to replace the diffs fron and read with MQ patrol units
because they were only just strong enough for factory motor output and
you're going to want brakes. :)
The factory diffs are 4.7:1 so you'd lose some top speed as well.
You must be a Landrover nut or at least have all the bits for free to even
consider this :)

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Jan 28, 11:33 pm, Kev <kev...@optunet.com.au> wrote:
> Athol wrote:
> > the_dawggie <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
> >> tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
> >> current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
> >> that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
> >> I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
> >> comes up plausible.
>
> > Did you also measure across the spring saddles to compare the mounts
> > on the diffs?
>
> > If you're going to make a landrover slower by fitting a diesel slug,
> > you may as well fit the matching diffs and brakes.
>
> > That way, when someone subsequently fits a commode V6 using the kit
> > intended for a hilux, the diffs and brakes are up to the job... :-)
>
> The 2L-T has about 200 hp more than the Landy 4 cyl petrol(then again so
> does a whipper snipper engine)
> it will be a lot quicker than it ever was and
> it will be no slower than putting a red six into it, but use about half
> as much fuel doing it
>
> the only thing to watch with the 2L-T is the cooling. over heating them
> does the heads no good(as with any 2L or 2L-T)
>
> not sure about the diff ratios though
> it's be revving over 3000rpm at 90(even with the 5 speed) which is
> almost past the power band of the 2L-T(2400-3200rpm) fitting taller
> tyres should fix that though
>
> but the best option is to leave the Surf engine in the surf and sell the
> landy to the metal merchants, the ally in it would be worth more as
> scrap than the whole car

The Smurf is working and staying intact as his daily
driver, although first gear slips out under load.

He collects stuff though including two L/Rovers and a
spare 2L-T (which, yep, needs a new head).

I think the Landy would be best to go as scrap, however the
2L-T looks like it might be an interesting thing to fit in
it.

Smurf stuff is cheap, so a tranny and transfer for the
spare 2L-T could be got.

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Jan 29, 12:29 am, "RainbowWarrior" <emailaddr...@tgr.fr> wrote:
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4267aa14-dddc-4b9f-8f65-37ec60eac1c8@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I could get a ToyCo Smurf 2L-T diesel with it's
> > tranny/xfer into a Series 2 Landrover 4x4 pickup. The
> > current petrol 4 cyl is less than expected and has more
> > that a couple of problems. Doing well for 1960 model,
> > I have to admit. A quick check with the tape measure
> > comes up plausible.
>
> > Anyone done?
>
> > Yes, there are a lot of things to consider doing this, however
> > looks doable.
>
> Just about anything can be shoe horned into a Landrover, I seen a Ford 351
> in one.
> Just remember to replace the diffs fron and read with MQ patrol units
> because they were only just strong enough for factory motor output and
> you're going to want brakes. :)
> The factory diffs are 4.7:1 so you'd lose some top speed as well.
> You must be a Landrover nut or at least have all the bits for free to even
> consider this :)

I'm not a L/R nut, my friend likes his Smurf however
wants this done. Looks doable. My take on it is the diffs
will need looked at. Brakes, yes. He knows places of Smurf
and L/R bits.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not a L/R nut, my friend likes his Smurf however
> wants this done. Looks doable. My take on it is the diffs
> will need looked at. Brakes, yes. He knows places of Smurf
> and L/R bits.

Diff, brakes, steering, wiring, seats, instruments, heating/cooling, wipers,
lights.

Not much of the Landy left worth worrying about if you change all of that
shit :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Athol)]

Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
> "the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I'm not a L/R nut, my friend likes his Smurf however
>> wants this done. Looks doable. My take on it is the diffs
>> will need looked at. Brakes, yes. He knows places of Smurf
>> and L/R bits.

> Diff, brakes, steering, wiring, seats, instruments, heating/cooling, wipers,
> lights.

> Not much of the Landy left worth worrying about if you change all of that
> shit :)

Technically, there is a make/model and year model. That can be quite
significant when it comes to modifying vehicles. Of course, putting in
a little stinker makes that point irrelevant. May as well just stick
the whole lot in a boring hilux. :-)

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Athol" <athol_SPIT_SPAM@idl.net.au> wrote in message
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> Technically, there is a make/model and year model. That can be quite
> significant when it comes to modifying vehicles. Of course, putting in
> a little stinker makes that point irrelevant. May as well just stick
> the whole lot in a boring hilux. :-)

Save a shitload of work, and still wouldn't be as ugly.

Well, not quite anyway :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(the_dawggie)]

On Jan 29, 10:53 pm, Athol <athol_SPIT_S...@idl.net.au> wrote:
> Noddy <m...@home.com> wrote:
> > "the_dawggie" <the_dawg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm not a L/R nut, my friend likes his Smurf however
> >> wants this done. Looks doable. My take on it is the diffs
> >> will need looked at. Brakes, yes. He knows places of Smurf
> >> and L/R bits.
> > Diff, brakes, steering, wiring, seats, instruments, heating/cooling, wipers,
> > lights.
> > Not much of the Landy left worth worrying about if you change all of that
> > shit :)
>
> Technically, there is a make/model and year model. That can be quite
> significant when it comes to modifying vehicles. Of course, putting in
> a little stinker makes that point irrelevant. May as well just stick
> the whole lot in a boring hilux. :-)

Neither him nor me are willing to go near SI engines (of any
fuel type, and especially not petrol). Been there, done that, and
I quite honestly can say I don't know why folk put up with them.
The increase of availability of diesel vehicles on the new car
market says a lot about that.

His larger Landy he has a Isuzu diesel sitting on a hoist for.
That will replace the 3.5 petrol V8 shitter.

This smaller Landy he has the 2L-T for.
That will replace the 2.25 litre petrol 4 cylinder shitter.

Now ... time to getting a round tuit.

Not that I'm into Landies in any way. He meybe needs looked
at over that.... And they smell - the interior of all of them have
the same smell. It's not good or bad, but still smells.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"the_dawggie" <the_dawggie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Neither him nor me are willing to go near SI engines (of any
> fuel type, and especially not petrol). Been there, done that, and
> I quite honestly can say I don't know why folk put up with them.

So you keep telling us, and as we keep telling you because they work, and
work *well* :)

> The increase of availability of diesel vehicles on the new car
> market says a lot about that.

The increase in diesel engines in the new car market has absolutely ****
nothing to do with the type of engine itself, but the desire for better fuel
economy which, incidentally, a lot of is "false" economy.

The number of small petrol cars on the market that get remarkable economy is
amazing, and what's more amazing is their price. On the other hand, finding
a cheap diesel powered small car is quite difficult as there is nowhere near
the range. The "premium" price you pay for an equivalent diesel model seems
to far outweigh the benefits in running costs, and that's unlikely to change
unless diesel suddenly becomes much cheaper or diesel powered cars are
offered at the same price as petrol models.

Two things which are highly unlikely to happen any time real soon.

> Not that I'm into Landies in any way. He meybe needs looked
> at over that.... And they smell - the interior of all of them have
> the same smell. It's not good or bad, but still smells.

They all stink. In every way :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Kev)]

the_dawggie wrote:

>
> The Smurf is working and staying intact as his daily
> driver, although first gear slips out under load.
>
> He collects stuff though including two L/Rovers and a
> spare 2L-T (which, yep, needs a new head).
>
> I think the Landy would be best to go as scrap, however the
> 2L-T looks like it might be an interesting thing to fit in
> it.
>
> Smurf stuff is cheap, so a tranny and transfer for the
> spare 2L-T could be got.


One thing to be aware of
the Surf 2L-T had two different versions
the change over was around mid 1985
the early engines used the 2L head and those after used the 3L head
and they are not interchangeable
my engine sitting out the back waiting for a place to work is the early
model

so make sure you check it out first


Kev