AGW Scam Is A Threat to Freedom

[Ext User(Znobo)]

Jerry Carlson

February 1, 2008



http://www.aim.org/special-report/will-media-expose-global-warming-con-job/



Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, says that using global
warming hysteria to justify global governance and energy-taxing schemes
is today's biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and
prosperity. It has, he says, "become a prime example of the truth versus
propaganda problem."



If policymakers plow ahead with capturing carbon, I'd like to see them
place much more emphasis on how agriculture and all of humanity can
benefit by converting CO2 into food and building humus. This is a
beneficial and stable carbon reserve in the soil. It's a waste to simply
bury carbon.



Carbon is the cornerstone of biological life, and the "carbon is
pollution" presumption leads toward bizarre proposals like pumping CO2
deep underground. In fact, a recent scientific proclamation claims that
reducing CO2 emissions to zero would not stabilize climate change. The
scientist says it will be necessary to extract CO2 from the atmosphere
and sequester it.



If the regulators do enforce carbon sequestration, they might review how
ancient tribes in South America's tropics applied one of the most simple
and beneficial ways to convert carbon stored in tropical forests into
greater food production.



Using earthen firepits to create charcoal from jungle trees and
undergrowth, they mixed raw charcoal into their tropical soils. This
"biochar" provided microscopic niches for microbes and fungi, touching
off a bloom of soil biological life which supported food crops for
centuries. This "Terra Preta" or "dark soil" has been rediscovered by
ecologists in the past couple of decades. Terra Preta soils remain
productive despite the heat and moisture of the tropics, which otherwise
oxidize organic matter and leach away crop nutrients from tropical clay
and sand.



The low-tech building of biochar almost vanished after 1491, when
European diseases arrived in South America and killed most of the
indigenous population.



Helping people adapt to inevitable, natural climate change, in
ecologically sound ways, would be much more productive and beneficial to
humanity than building a global-governance bureaucracy financed by
taxing hydrocarbon energy and run by top-down regulations.



Jerry Carlson, Pro Farmer Editor Emeritus, holds a Master's degree in
journalism from Iowa State University. After starting a journalism
career as an Air Force officer, he became Managing Editor of Farm
Journal magazine in Philadelphia. In 1972 he and a colleague, Merrill
Oster, founded Professional Farmers of America, a national news and
advisory service for leading farmers and ranchers. Jerry started several
newsletters and Internet services within this company. He retired from
Pro Farmer in 2001, but remains active in writing about farmland
investments and restoring biological health in America's cropland. Jerry
can be reached at
--



Regards

Bonzo

Get The TRUE Facts At
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/index.html

Excellent Links At
http://www.warwickhughes.com/


"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for
anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree
panic us"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the
National Academy of Sciences


"What most commentators-and many scientists-seem to miss is that the
only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes"
Dr. Richard Lindzen


[most of the current alarm over climate change is based on] "inherently
untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately
forecast the weather a week from now." Dr. Richard Lindzen

[Ext User(Midex)]

Its old-school bullshit Znobo. Go watch "Deconstructing the Myth of
AIDS - Gary Null"


On 1 fev, 23:22, "Znobo" <zn...@optusnt.com.au> wrote:
> Jerry Carlson
>
> February 1, 2008
>
> http://www.aim.org/special-report/will-media-expose-global-warming-co...
>
> Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, says that using global
> warming hysteria to justify global governance and energy-taxing schemes
> is today's biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and
> prosperity. It has, he says, "become a prime example of the truth versus
> propaganda problem."
>
> If policymakers plow ahead with capturing carbon, I'd like to see them
> place much more emphasis on how agriculture and all of humanity can
> benefit by converting CO2 into food and building humus. This is a
> beneficial and stable carbon reserve in the soil. It's a waste to simply
> bury carbon.
>
> Carbon is the cornerstone of biological life, and the "carbon is
> pollution" presumption leads toward bizarre proposals like pumping CO2
> deep underground. In fact, a recent scientific proclamation claims that
> reducing CO2 emissions to zero would not stabilize climate change. The
> scientist says it will be necessary to extract CO2 from the atmosphere
> and sequester it.
>
> If the regulators do enforce carbon sequestration, they might review how
> ancient tribes in South America's tropics applied one of the most simple
> and beneficial ways to convert carbon stored in tropical forests into
> greater food production.
>
> Using earthen firepits to create charcoal from jungle trees and
> undergrowth, they mixed raw charcoal into their tropical soils. This
> "biochar" provided microscopic niches for microbes and fungi, touching
> off a bloom of soil biological life which supported food crops for
> centuries. This "Terra Preta" or "dark soil" has been rediscovered by
> ecologists in the past couple of decades. Terra Preta soils remain
> productive despite the heat and moisture of the tropics, which otherwise
> oxidize organic matter and leach away crop nutrients from tropical clay
> and sand.
>
> The low-tech building of biochar almost vanished after 1491, when
> European diseases arrived in South America and killed most of the
> indigenous population.
>
> Helping people adapt to inevitable, natural climate change, in
> ecologically sound ways, would be much more productive and beneficial to
> humanity than building a global-governance bureaucracy financed by
> taxing hydrocarbon energy and run by top-down regulations.
>
> Jerry Carlson, Pro Farmer Editor Emeritus, holds a Master's degree in
> journalism from Iowa State University. After starting a journalism
> career as an Air Force officer, he became Managing Editor of Farm
> Journal magazine in Philadelphia. In 1972 he and a colleague, Merrill
> Oster, founded Professional Farmers of America, a national news and
> advisory service for leading farmers and ranchers. Jerry started several
> newsletters and Internet services within this company. He retired from
> Pro Farmer in 2001, but remains active in writing about farmland
> investments and restoring biological health in America's cropland. Jerry
> can be reached at
> --
>
> Regards
>
> Bonzo
>
> Get The TRUE Facts At
> http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/index.html
>
> Excellent Links At
> http://www.warwickhughes.com/
>
> "...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for
> anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree
> panic us"
> Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the
> National Academy of Sciences
>
> "What most commentators-and many scientists-seem to miss is that the
> only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes"
> Dr. Richard Lindzen
>
> [most of the current alarm over climate change is based on] "inherently
> untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately
> forecast the weather a week from now." Dr. Richard Lindzen

[Ext User(Flat Top)]

Znobo <znobo@optusnt.com.au> wrote:
> Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, says that using global
> warming hysteria to justify global governance and energy-taxing schemes
> is today's biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy and
> prosperity. It has, he says, "become a prime example of the truth versus
> propaganda problem."
>
That may be true, but back in the 1980's people like you were running around,
screaming like lunatics about how there was going to be imminent slavery
because seat belt laws were going to be passed and governments were moving
towards restricting tobacco.

In fact, the world's smartest scientists, Dr. Richard Lindzen and Steve
Milloy of www.junkscience.com still maintain that smoking is good for us and
a wholesome, traditional activity that we should share with our children and
that the war on Cancer is just another big, secret socialist conspiracy to
drain our economy and put us at an economic disadvantage against more
progessive countries like China, where tobacco is cheap, plentiful and almost
1 billion people smoke a pack-a-day! They've never been wrong so far, so
how could Dr. Richard Lindzen and Steve Milloy possibly be wrong now.

[Ext User(Znobo)]

"Flat Top" <flattop@aol.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.220e69e0351e76e989a07@nntp.aioe.org...
> Znobo <znobo@optusnt.com.au> wrote:
>> Vaclav Klaus, president of the Czech Republic, says that using global
>> warming hysteria to justify global governance and energy-taxing
>> schemes
>> is today's biggest threat to freedom, democracy, the market economy
>> and
>> prosperity. It has, he says, "become a prime example of the truth
>> versus
>> propaganda problem."
> That may be true, but back in the 1980's people like you were running
> around,
> screaming like lunatics about how there was going to be imminent
> slavery
> because seat belt laws were going to be passed and governments were
> moving
> towards restricting tobacco.
> In fact, the world's smartest scientists, Dr. Richard Lindzen and
> Steve
> Milloy of www.junkscience.com still maintain that smoking is good for
> us and
> a wholesome, traditional activity that we should share with our
> children and

CORRECTION: They rightly say that SECONDHAND SMOKING, though it probably
causes other problems, does not cause cancer.

Get your facts straight!

Regards

Bonzo

"Attributing global climate change to human CO2 production is akin to
trying to diagnose an automotive problem by ignoring the engine
(analogous to the Sun in the climate system) and the transmission (water
vapour) and instead focusing entirely, not on one nut on a rear wheel,
which would be analogous to total CO2, but on one thread on that nut,
which represents the human contribution." Dr. Timothy Ball, Chairman of
the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP.com), Former Professor
Of Climatology, University of Winnipeg

[Ext User(V-for-Vendicar)]

"Znobo" <znobo@optusnt.com.au> wrote
> CORRECTION: They rightly say that SECONDHAND SMOKING does not cause
> cancer.

And once again BOZO, that makes you a Liar.

Interesting how global warming denialism and smoking causing cancer
denialism go hand in hand.

[Ext User(The Master)]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, V-for-Vendicar wrote:

> Interesting how global warming denialism and smoking causing cancer
> denialism go hand in hand.

Smoking CAUSES cancer? My grandmother is in her 70's, has been smoking
every day of her life since she was in her early teens... Never had
cancer... Why doesn't she have cancer yet? Will she get cancer? Do you
personally guarantee that she will get cancer before she dies of old age?
Mind you, she is already older then her generation's life expectancy...
Just wondering...

[Ext User(V-for-Vendicar)]

"The Master" <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote
> Smoking CAUSES cancer?

Yup, you might want to read the medical litreature that has been available
for the last 100 years.

Interesting how global warming denialism and smoking causing cancer
denialism go hand in hand.

[Ext User(Andy)]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:54:07 +0000, The Master
<tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, V-for-Vendicar wrote:
>
>> Interesting how global warming denialism and smoking causing cancer
>> denialism go hand in hand.
>
>Smoking CAUSES cancer? My grandmother is in her 70's, has been smoking
>every day of her life since she was in her early teens... Never had
>cancer... Why doesn't she have cancer yet? Will she get cancer? Do you
>personally guarantee that she will get cancer before she dies of old age?
>Mind you, she is already older then her generation's life expectancy...
>Just wondering...

How about George Burns? Smoked cigars his entire life and lived to the
ripe old age of 100.. wasn't illness, cancer or old age that killed
him either.

Cheers..

[Ext User(The Master)]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, V-for-Vendicar wrote:

>> Smoking CAUSES cancer?
>
> Yup, you might want to read the medical litreature that has been available
> for the last 100 years.

Then, just for argument sake... Why doesn't my grandmother, who has
smoked no stop for over 50 years, have cancer? If smoking causes it, why
is she cancer free? Just curious...

[Ext User(The Master)]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Andy wrote:

> How about George Burns? Smoked cigars his entire life and lived to the
> ripe old age of 100.. wasn't illness, cancer or old age that killed
> him either.

Last time I took a good long hard look at the anti-smoking research, there
were clear CORELATIONS, but no one was yet able to prove a CAUSE AND
EFFECT relationship. Smoking is one member of a LONG LIST of factors
that INCREASE THE RISK of cancer. But increased risk alone does not prove
cause and effect... Has there been new research that proves the
relationship?

Oh, as for global warming, yes no one disputes the increase in average
temp. But there is a rather large group of scientists that say the
warming is 100% natural and humans haven't created enough green-house gas
to account for even 1% of the increase. The problem is, however, that
they don't get the press coverage.

[Ext User(PeterBP)]

V-for-Vendicar <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:

> "Znobo" <znobo@optusnt.com.au> wrote
> > CORRECTION: They rightly say that SECONDHAND SMOKING does not cause
> > cancer.
>
> And once again BOZO, that makes you a Liar.
>
> Interesting how global warming denialism and smoking causing cancer
> denialism go hand in hand.

So does creationism, I might add. The evolution deniers also think that
Go'd purported intervention in the world will prevent humanity from
affecting it significantly.

--
regards , Peter B. P. http://macplanet.dk
Washington D.C.: District of Criminals

"I dont drink anymore... of course, i don't drink any less, either!

[Ext User(PeterBP)]

The Master <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, V-for-Vendicar wrote:
>
> > Interesting how global warming denialism and smoking causing cancer
> > denialism go hand in hand.
>
> Smoking CAUSES cancer? My grandmother is in her 70's, has been smoking
> every day of her life since she was in her early teens... Never had
> cancer... Why doesn't she have cancer yet? Will she get cancer? Do you
> personally guarantee that she will get cancer before she dies of old age?
> Mind you, she is already older then her generation's life expectancy...
> Just wondering...

You do have a point and that is that smoking *significantly increases*
the risk of getting cancer.

--
regards , Peter B. P. http://macplanet.dk
Washington D.C.: District of Criminals

"I dont drink anymore... of course, i don't drink any less, either!

[Ext User(PeterBP)]

Andy <ask_for_email@here.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:54:07 +0000, The Master
> <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, V-for-Vendicar wrote:
> >
> >> Interesting how global warming denialism and smoking causing cancer
> >> denialism go hand in hand.
> >
> >Smoking CAUSES cancer? My grandmother is in her 70's, has been smoking
> >every day of her life since she was in her early teens... Never had
> >cancer... Why doesn't she have cancer yet? Will she get cancer? Do you
> >personally guarantee that she will get cancer before she dies of old age?
> >Mind you, she is already older then her generation's life expectancy...
> >Just wondering...
>
> How about George Burns? Smoked cigars his entire life and lived to the
> ripe old age of 100.. wasn't illness, cancer or old age that killed
> him either.
>
> Cheers..

Jim Fix!


--
regards , Peter B. P. http://macplanet.dk
Washington D.C.: District of Criminals

"I dont drink anymore... of course, i don't drink any less, either!

[Ext User(The Master)]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, PeterBP wrote:

> You do have a point and that is that smoking *significantly increases*
> the risk of getting cancer.

And THAT I have seen in studies... However, as I said before, just
because it's a risk factor does not mean it has a cause and effect
relationship. Anti-smoking web sites, such as thetruth.com (or whatever
it is) don't seem to understand the difference.

[Ext User(The Master)]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, PeterBP wrote:

>> How about George Burns? Smoked cigars his entire life and lived to the
>> ripe old age of 100.. wasn't illness, cancer or old age that killed
>> him either.
>
> Jim Fix!

I remember a TV comercial here in the USA a while back, where some old man
was talking about how his wife got lung cancer from his second hand smoke.
Since he was exposed to the exact same second hand smoke, why didn't he
also get cancer? Did smoking save his life?

[Ext User(Whata Fool)]

The Master <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:

>Then, just for argument sake... Why doesn't my grandmother, who has
>smoked no stop for over 50 years, have cancer? If smoking causes it, why
>is she cancer free? Just curious...

Lucky? Maybe she doesn't inhale. Maybe she doesn't
have the genes.

It is still a filthy, stinking habit, that obviously irritates the
throat, nasal passages, and even the stomach of some.

Ask her to quit.

[Ext User(Whata Fool)]

The Master <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:

>Oh, as for global warming, yes no one disputes the increase in average
>temp.

I do, if an increase in average temperature means the Earth
is warmer now than ever before man started burning fossil fuel in
quantity, or that the weather is a lot different than ever before.

I know the biggest blizzard I ever saw was in 1950, and
the hottest weather I ever saw was in 1952.

And even the huge clash of cold air with warm moist air
tuesday lit up the radar like never before, it still was not as
bad as many times before there was radar.

This AGW me-too-moron quest for respect of an implied
intelligence of some kind is getting totally out of hand, the sob
sister news stories on NBC tonight demonstrates just how
silly the whole thing is getting, with a combination Al Gore
quiver in the voice and almost a whimpering plea for her
journalistic effort applause, a recent graduate claimed that
long blade grasses sequester tremendous amounts of CO2,
and some pimply faced jerk called CO2 a pollutant.

Face it, with the greens convincing the Germans to scrap
their nuclear power plants, it is only a matter of time till half
the world freezes or starves because of the stupidity of AGW.

[Ext User(V-for-Vendicar)]

>> Interesting how global warming denialism and smoking causing cancer
>> denialism go hand in hand.


"PeterBP" <ask@me.com> wrote
> So does creationism, I might add.

Yup. And all are strongly associated with self deceit and KKKonservative
Liedeology.

[Ext User(V-for-Vendicar)]

"PeterBP" <ask@me.com> wrote
>> How about George Burns? Smoked cigars his entire life and lived to the
>> ripe old age of 100.. wasn't illness, cancer or old age that killed
>> him either.

I know a guy who won a million bucks in a lottery. I suppose you would
claim that this was proof that purchasing lottery tickets makes one a
millionare.

[Ext User(V-for-Vendicar)]

"Andy" <ask_for_email@here.com> wrote
> How about George Burns? Smoked cigars his entire life and lived to the
> ripe old age of 100.. wasn't illness, cancer or old age that killed
> him either.


Tobacco could kill more than one billion this century: report by Gerard
Aziakou

Fri Feb 8, 12:07 AM ET

NEW YORK (AFP) - Tobacco use could kill more than one billion people around
the
world this century unless governments and civil society act to reverse the
epidemic, according to a World Health Organization (WHO) report released
Thursday.

"One hundred million deaths were caused by tobacco in the 20th century,"
said
the report unveiled by WHO Director General Margaret Chan at a joint press
conference with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.