Mad Max Scenario - 2008.

[Ext User(HeadRush)]

http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23222647-462,00.html

DESPERATE drivers are roaring off without paying for petrol in a crime surge
costing service stations up to $300,000 a week.
..
..
In response, BP is looking to roll out automatic number-plate recognition
cameras to black-list vehicles involved in thefts.

ANPR cameras were first installed in Melbourne in 2005.

Mobil is also testing the systems at three of its stations, following
anti-theft successes in Britain, where almost all stations have the
equipment.

The ANPR cameras record vehicle number plates at station entrances, and
alert staff if the vehicle has been involved in a drive-off or petrol theft.

If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous theft;
ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.

[Ext User(atec77)]

HeadRush wrote:
> http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23222647-462,00.html
>
> DESPERATE drivers are roaring off without paying for petrol in a crime surge
> costing service stations up to $300,000 a week.
> .
> .
> In response, BP is looking to roll out automatic number-plate recognition
> cameras to black-list vehicles involved in thefts.
>
> ANPR cameras were first installed in Melbourne in 2005.
>
> Mobil is also testing the systems at three of its stations, following
> anti-theft successes in Britain, where almost all stations have the
> equipment.
>
> The ANPR cameras record vehicle number plates at station entrances, and
> alert staff if the vehicle has been involved in a drive-off or petrol theft.
>
> If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
> decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous theft;
> ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.
>
>
>
Welcome to years ago , it's already operating in a large number of
stations and hotels for other various things , once the labor goco
modifies some civil rights you will be tracked considerably more....
local servo installed it last xmas ( shitty job to) and drive offs
dropped from 20 a month to 1. ( bloody big sign helps regarding the cams)

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote in message
news:47b64854$0$4437$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
> decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous
> theft;
> ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.

Interesting that they don't just call the police for all driveoffs. They've
got the number plate and presumably footage so why do they just let it go
till next time?
>
>
>

[Ext User(John_H)]

Michael C wrote:
>
>Interesting that they don't just call the police for all driveoffs. They've
>got the number plate and presumably footage so why do they just let it go
>till next time?

Was talking to a servo owner (or more correctly franchisee) some time
ago who reported one to the police.

After going through the police report and statement bit he was then
subpoenaed as a witness and spent a day in, or hanging around, Court.

The perp was convicted and ordered to pay for the fuel at the cost
price to the franchisee... ie the prick ended up getting his petrol
at the wholesale price!

--
John H

[Ext User(Michael C)]

"John_H" <john4721@inbox.com> wrote in message
news:o3ncr39mjkeugf361s9eoo6d0sspgpegv7@4ax.com...
> Was talking to a servo owner (or more correctly franchisee) some time
> ago who reported one to the police.
>
> After going through the police report and statement bit he was then
> subpoenaed as a witness and spent a day in, or hanging around, Court.
>
> The perp was convicted and ordered to pay for the fuel at the cost
> price to the franchisee... ie the prick ended up getting his petrol
> at the wholesale price!

Sad, very sad. Compare this to what happens when someone is caught doing 66
in a 60 zone. Honest citizens are dealt with by the law much more swiftly.

Michael

[Ext User(Geroge W Frost)]

"Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:47b64b43$0$13959$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote in message
> news:47b64854$0$4437$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>> If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
>> decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous
>> theft;
>> ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.
>
> Interesting that they don't just call the police for all driveoffs.
> They've got the number plate and presumably footage so why do they just
> let it go till next time?
>>
>>

They call the cops for every drive-off,
remembering that a drive-off usually works with a friend who stands in front
of the number plate to block it
or they conveniently park another car between the attendant and the petrol
thief's car, or use dud plates


should be mandatory for all plates to be rivetted to the car making it
harder to steal
They are on there for at least 12 months or more

Also there are the ones who pull in, fill up, then go to the check-out
and....

"Oh, damn, my card has denied the funds to pay, it says I haven't got enough
money in my account,
I will have to come back tomorrow and pay"

Knowing full well they haven't got any ready cash to pay, they still fill up

Same service station, different attendant and the same petrol thief tries it
again.
the thief is knows who will let them go
Usually, the attendant takes their details and lets them go
after having to enter all the details into a ledger, which takes time and
other customers are slowly getting the shits at being held up by the moron

If the police are called, then they say they didn't realise.
The cops take name and address and go back their coffee break.
The attendant however, is nearing his/her shift and eager to get home, but
has to wait till the cops finish,
which could be two hours or more and the attendant doesn't get a brass razoo
for that extra time they have spent


But, the only thing is what they have out Calder Park,
Cash or crerdit card and licence before the attendant turns the bowser on.
Or a pre-pay bowser, either with cash or card

Outer independantly owned service stations who rely on every purchase to
survive, cannot afford to have these measures in place

[Ext User(atec77)]

Geroge W Frost wrote:
> "Michael C" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:47b64b43$0$13959$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> "HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote in message
>> news:47b64854$0$4437$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>>> If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
>>> decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous
>>> theft;
>>> ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.
>> Interesting that they don't just call the police for all driveoffs.
>> They've got the number plate and presumably footage so why do they just
>> let it go till next time?
>>>
>
> They call the cops for every drive-off,
> remembering that a drive-off usually works with a friend who stands in front
> of the number plate to block it
> or they conveniently park another car between the attendant and the petrol
> thief's car, or use dud plates
>
>
> should be mandatory for all plates to be rivetted to the car making it
> harder to steal
> They are on there for at least 12 months or more
>
> Also there are the ones who pull in, fill up, then go to the check-out
> and....
>
> "Oh, damn, my card has denied the funds to pay, it says I haven't got enough
> money in my account,
> I will have to come back tomorrow and pay"
>
> Knowing full well they haven't got any ready cash to pay, they still fill up
>
> Same service station, different attendant and the same petrol thief tries it
> again.
> the thief is knows who will let them go
> Usually, the attendant takes their details and lets them go
> after having to enter all the details into a ledger, which takes time and
> other customers are slowly getting the shits at being held up by the moron

Adding lotsa cams is a thriving business , suits me :)
>
> If the police are called, then they say they didn't realise.
> The cops take name and address and go back their coffee break.
> The attendant however, is nearing his/her shift and eager to get home, but
> has to wait till the cops finish,
> which could be two hours or more and the attendant doesn't get a brass razoo
> for that extra time they have spent
true
>
>
> But, the only thing is what they have out Calder Park,
> Cash or crerdit card and licence before the attendant turns the bowser on.
> Or a pre-pay bowser, either with cash or card
Beciming very common and rightly so , which is why we run an
account... and no one but me gets a say on the account.. soon stops
every little fill for the weekend and certainly pay before although a
pain stops theft .
>
> Outer independantly owned service stations who rely on every purchase to
> survive, cannot afford to have these measures in place
they cant afford not to in the long run
>
>

[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <o3ncr39mjkeugf361s9eoo6d0sspgpegv7@4ax.com>,
john4721@inbox.com says...
> Michael C wrote:
> >
> >Interesting that they don't just call the police for all driveoffs. They've
> >got the number plate and presumably footage so why do they just let it go
> >till next time?
>
> Was talking to a servo owner (or more correctly franchisee) some time
> ago who reported one to the police.
>
> After going through the police report and statement bit he was then
> subpoenaed as a witness and spent a day in, or hanging around, Court.
>
> The perp was convicted and ordered to pay for the fuel at the cost
> price to the franchisee... ie the prick ended up getting his petrol
> at the wholesale price!
>
>
Paid 140.9 today for 98 RON BP Ultimate.
Ethanol diluted low octane rubbish ULP was 127.9

Al
--
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brain damage.
We, the public should therefore demand a similar study be carried out on
our leaders.
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[Ext User(Albm&ctd)]

In article <47b64854$0$4437$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "HeadRush" <(
.. )( . )@(_!_).com> says...
> http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23222647-462,00.html
>
> DESPERATE drivers are roaring off without paying for petrol in a crime surge
> costing service stations up to $300,000 a week.
> .
> .
> In response, BP is looking to roll out automatic number-plate recognition
> cameras to black-list vehicles involved in thefts.
>
> ANPR cameras were first installed in Melbourne in 2005.
>
> Mobil is also testing the systems at three of its stations, following
> anti-theft successes in Britain, where almost all stations have the
> equipment.
>
> The ANPR cameras record vehicle number plates at station entrances, and
> alert staff if the vehicle has been involved in a drive-off or petrol theft.
>
> If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
> decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous theft;
> ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.
>
Do these types of thieves look around for the cheapest price first?
Do they drive off with high octane or the low octane rubbish?

I spent 15 minutes before I got to the pumps today, only 2 cars in front.
My total time to fill to $20 and pay (cash) was about 3 minutes. Why does
it take morons so long to fill and pay?
Theory: It's all the other shit they sell at the servo. They frown upon
leaving the pumps before you pay for fuel (like park in the vacant spaces
outside the servo and do you fuck*ng shopping) so a pump is blocked while
the moron looks at junk food and other crap to buy. Don't these morons
know, servo prices are a rip. Do your shopping at the supermarket - duh.
How come I don't get behind the ones that drive off, always get the
shopper moron :-)

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

On Feb 16, 4:31*pm, Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNO...@connexus.net.au> wrote:
> In article <o3ncr39mjkeugf361s9eoo6d0sspgpe...@4ax.com>,

> Paid 140.9 today for 98 RON BP Ultimate.

You lucky lucky bastard. I paid 154.9 for it in Bathurst.

[Ext User(John Tserkezis)]

John_H wrote:

> The perp was convicted and ordered to pay for the fuel at the cost
> price to the franchisee... ie the prick ended up getting his petrol
> at the wholesale price!

Who pays court costs?

Though I suppose that doesn't matter much, for all the times they get away
with it, compared to the odd time they get caught, court costs end up a tiny
premium relatively speaking.
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[Ext User(tipsy@beerlover.com)]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:20:11 +1000, atec77 <atec77nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Adding lotsa cams is a thriving business , suits me :)

A lot of them are finding a sign is cheaper than the cameras and works just as well.

[Ext User(atec77)]

tipsy@beerlover.com wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:20:11 +1000, atec77 <atec77nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Adding lotsa cams is a thriving business , suits me :)
>
> A lot of them are finding a sign is cheaper than the cameras and works just as well.
>
word soon spreads ..

[Ext User(Geroge W Frost)]

"Albm&ctd" <alb_mandctdNOWND@connexus.net.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.222111f43a3b78b2989687@nntp.aioe.org...
> In article <47b64854$0$4437$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "HeadRush" <(
> . )( . )@(_!_).com> says...
>> http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23222647-462,00.html
>>
>> DESPERATE drivers are roaring off without paying for petrol in a crime
>> surge
>> costing service stations up to $300,000 a week.
>> .
>> .
>> In response, BP is looking to roll out automatic number-plate recognition
>> cameras to black-list vehicles involved in thefts.
>>
>> ANPR cameras were first installed in Melbourne in 2005.
>>
>> Mobil is also testing the systems at three of its stations, following
>> anti-theft successes in Britain, where almost all stations have the
>> equipment.
>>
>> The ANPR cameras record vehicle number plates at station entrances, and
>> alert staff if the vehicle has been involved in a drive-off or petrol
>> theft.
>>
>> If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
>> decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous
>> theft;
>> ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.
>>
> Do these types of thieves look around for the cheapest price first?
> Do they drive off with high octane or the low octane rubbish?
>
> I spent 15 minutes before I got to the pumps today, only 2 cars in front.
> My total time to fill to $20 and pay (cash) was about 3 minutes. Why does
> it take morons so long to fill and pay?
> Theory: It's all the other shit they sell at the servo. They frown upon
> leaving the pumps before you pay for fuel (like park in the vacant spaces
> outside the servo and do you fuck*ng shopping) so a pump is blocked while
> the moron looks at junk food and other crap to buy. Don't these morons
> know, servo prices are a rip. Do your shopping at the supermarket - duh.
> How come I don't get behind the ones that drive off, always get the
> shopper moron :-)
>
> Al
>


If you just "happen" to get behind a drive-off, you will be there a lot
longer, because they shut the pump down until the cops have been taking down
all particulars etc, so you could be there for two hours

[Ext User(RainbowWarrior)]

Um which bit of which Mad Mad had these cameras?

"HeadRush" <( . )( . )@(_!_).com> wrote in message
news:47b64854$0$4437$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23222647-462,00.html
>
> DESPERATE drivers are roaring off without paying for petrol in a crime
> surge
> costing service stations up to $300,000 a week.
> .
> .
> In response, BP is looking to roll out automatic number-plate recognition
> cameras to black-list vehicles involved in thefts.
>
> ANPR cameras were first installed in Melbourne in 2005.
>
> Mobil is also testing the systems at three of its stations, following
> anti-theft successes in Britain, where almost all stations have the
> equipment.
>
> The ANPR cameras record vehicle number plates at station entrances, and
> alert staff if the vehicle has been involved in a drive-off or petrol
> theft.
>
> If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
> decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous
> theft;
> ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.
>
>
>

[Ext User(John_H)]

John Tserkezis wrote:
>John_H wrote:
>
>> The perp was convicted and ordered to pay for the fuel at the cost
>> price to the franchisee... ie the prick ended up getting his petrol
>> at the wholesale price!
>
> Who pays court costs?

Govco I imagine, since it's a criminal conviction. The servo operator
would also have been paid a witness fee, which he never mentioned and
nor is it the real point. He's the victim and the magistrate adds
insult to his injury (which is loss of livelihood) by ordering the
perp to pay the bare cost of his loss (which is no doubt all the law
allows for in a criminal case). It probably also allowed the perp to
pay it back at a dollar per week.

No doubt the servo operator's motive was see the perp punished, which
he no doubt was, but at a large cost to himself (mainly in lost time).

I don't really see a solution, and I'm normally the last to criticise
the legal process in criminal matters, but it does explain why service
stations would elect to apply their own remedies.

--
John H

[Ext User(Periwinkle)]

Gotta make sure you don't get stuck behind someone like me filling the car
with LPG..Pumps take three times as long to fill tank. I always feel crap
about making the folks behind me wait so I try to go at quiet times but
sometimes it's not possible..

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

On Feb 17, 3:00*pm, "Periwinkle" <Theperiwin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gotta make sure you don't get stuck behind someone like me filling the car
> with LPG..Pumps take three times as long to fill tank. I always feel crap
> about making the folks behind me wait so I try to go at quiet times but
> sometimes it's not possible..

I know the feeling. If I'm stuck at a servo with a stupidly slow flow
diesel pump, it can take quite a while to fill a 145L tank when near
empty.

[Ext User(Noddy)]

"Geroge W Frost" <frosty@iceworks.org> wrote in message
news:Czvtj.15552$421.4972@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> If you just "happen" to get behind a drive-off, you will be there a lot
> longer, because they shut the pump down until the cops have been taking
> down all particulars etc, so you could be there for two hours

And you're going to sit around waiting at a servo for them to get everything
sorted and turn the pumps back on 2 hours later because....?

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Ext User(Harold Hughes - Higglytown Hero)]

Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article <47b64854$0$4437$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>, "HeadRush" <(
> . )( . )@(_!_).com> says...
>> http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23222647-462,00.html
>>
>> DESPERATE drivers are roaring off without paying for petrol in a crime surge
>> costing service stations up to $300,000 a week.
>> .
>> .
>> In response, BP is looking to roll out automatic number-plate recognition
>> cameras to black-list vehicles involved in thefts.
>>
>> ANPR cameras were first installed in Melbourne in 2005.
>>
>> Mobil is also testing the systems at three of its stations, following
>> anti-theft successes in Britain, where almost all stations have the
>> equipment.
>>
>> The ANPR cameras record vehicle number plates at station entrances, and
>> alert staff if the vehicle has been involved in a drive-off or petrol theft.
>>
>> If an alarm within the station operator's booth sounds, the operator can
>> decline to activate the bowser and ask the driver about the previous theft;
>> ask the driver to pay before fuel is supplied; or phone the police.
>>
> Do these types of thieves look around for the cheapest price first?
> Do they drive off with high octane or the low octane rubbish?
>
> I spent 15 minutes before I got to the pumps today, only 2 cars in front.
> My total time to fill to $20 and pay (cash) was about 3 minutes. Why does
> it take morons so long to fill and pay?
> Theory: It's all the other shit they sell at the servo. They frown upon
> leaving the pumps before you pay for fuel (like park in the vacant spaces
> outside the servo and do you fuck*ng shopping) so a pump is blocked while
> the moron looks at junk food and other crap to buy. Don't these morons
> know, servo prices are a rip.

Worse in the Coles/Shell servo's

You tell them the pump number and get

"$20? Discount coupon? Fly Buys? 4 chocolates for $2?"

It is then the fatty at the front think mmmm chocolate and spends the
next 2 minutes deciding which 8 to get.

I called in to get milk the other day and he scanned the milk and said
the price and without thinking threw out his arm to the display and
went 4 chocolates for $2 I said nah i want my milk so I can have coffee.

Do they get commission on flogging the specials?