Mac Book Air running Windows Vista

[Randy]

[CENTER][LEFT]No you still didn't make it clear. And obviosly as you stated having varying versions of Vista that you didn't pay for, it can be pirated.we discussed this before. m$ give it to me for free. because i'm special.

[Randy]

Still, an hour and a half to type one line of text... learn to use the damn stick or quit bitching about them.I don't need to know the atomic structure of the can opener(vista) in order to open the can. But it appears its perfectly acceptable for me to have to know the atomic structure of the stick in order to whack it against the side of the can till the can breaks and the beans spill out.


or to simply type their usernae and password at that black screen login thing (you remember being stuck there don't you ) It wasn't that, it was attempting to access root, when root was disabled by ubuntu.


That's the equivalent of your 3 reeboots in the VM we went through. I says "put the damn router or DNS address in the freaking file" and you says "I'm rebooting"...ITS A VM DAMNIT! Using NAT! there are no network settings!


ow before you start on again on "Oh, it's a VM problem", which I certainly didn't mind ignoring when I was trying to help you out, let me remind you that it was a VM running in the most.. whatever, OS in the world: Windows Vista, that you got really nervous when the Ubuntu installer told you what it was doing and paused because you didn't understand what it meant. "I think it's hung on configuring apt!"Yeah, it always does that. i wasn't nervous, as i've installed that distro before and it does the same thing.


I had already told you what to install to pull in all packages relating to the compilers and it was one line of text. yeah 'sudo apt-get install build-essentials' so easily remembered. just rolls off the toung. quite descriptive really. you really get that your attempting to install compiler libraries. :rolleyes:


And what do you mean by long gone are the days... what's that supposed to mean? You don't need to insert it again after installing Ubuntu unless you plan on using the disk as a software repository which is optional.you never need it for vista. You're given the whole OS. Anything you need (OS specific) is automatically downloaded.


The bottom line is that it took us an hour and a half to install from a disk image into a virtual machine... fast as hell as you statedIt took that long to start everything from scratch. i had to attempt to install the thing on my laptop, wait for it to BSOD. then had to install the VM, configure it, then install ubuntu, then f*ck around installing vmware-tools which messed with my NAT. had to restart is several times. bla bla bla.


It doesn't take a genious to double click the thingy that says "Install"The first time, it wasn't responding to mouse input.


In Windows, on my laptop, far out man, it takes like hours just for an automated reboot because it's configuring the system on startuo and shutdown, but what exactly it's actually doing... perhaps even the top dog doesn't know the answerI bet that windows install would have worked on my laptop ;)

[MeanDean]

The equivalent of our experience, Randoid, was someone being unable to double click on an icon sitting on their desktop, and hit "next" "next" "finish".
I was very nice and patient with you. Quit making it your business to come down here and make comments that you have well deserved to get a rise out of, based on previous posting.

[Randy]

The equivalent of our experience, Randoid, was someone being unable to double click on an icon sitting on their desktop, and hit "next" "next" "finish".
I was very nice and patient with you. Quit making it your business to come down here and make comments that you have well deserved to get a rise out of, based on previous posting.edited... heaps.

and that thing wasn't responding to clicking. it wasn't me. i know how to click.

[jokiin]

[CENTER][LEFT]And obviosly as you stated having varying versions of Vista that you didn't pay for, it can be pirated.


Vista can be pirated, not as easily as XP but it still can be done, regardless getting it for free does not mean it is pirated, lots of sysadmins, IT staff, techs etc get it for free as part of work, doesn't make it pirated or illegal just because it was given for free

[Randy]

Vista can be pirated, not as easily as XP but it still can be doneI've seen thoes vista torrents. They look pretty sus to me.

Or are you talking about getting an image of a certain server and performing your own...?

[jokiin]

I've seen thoes vista torrents. They look pretty sus to me.

I haven't looked at them, I had someone give me Vista already but haven't bothered with it, the system requirements are a bit higher than any spare hardware I have at the moment and my main machine gets a lot of use and don't really want to be mucking with it.

I'm sure I'll end up using it down the track, no real need to change just now though

[jokiin]

Or are you talking about getting an image of a certain server and performing your own...?

Was just generalising, I know there are a few ways to do it, have a friend running a system with it, have seen heaps of pirated Vista while in China, lots of systems there running it.

I'm in no real hurry to change, maybe after a service pack and once a few more of the programs I want to use with it are sorted, I remember going through the same thing when XP came out, it did take a little while before programs were sorted out and things were running well, I'm sure Vista will come of age just like XP did.

[Randy]

Was just generalising, I know there are a few ways to do it, have a friend running a system with it, have seen heaps of pirated Vista while in China, lots of systems there running it.Yeah, i'd be suspicious about those too. You don't know what kind of arrant code has been put in. Seems to me to be a perfect means of creating DDOS zombies.


I'm in no real hurry to change, maybe after a service pack and once a few more of the programs I want to use with it are sorted, I remember going through the same thing when XP came out, it did take a little while before programs were sorted out and things were running well, I'm sure Vista will come of age just like XP did.What programs don't work with vista?

[jokiin]

What programs don't work with vista?

The ones that didn't when I did look into are probably sorted by now (some editing stuff) but if I changed now it would be change for the sake of change there's really no compelling reason to spend the money when I have a system that is running perfectly well with XP Pro, I'm more likely to look at it again whenever the next hardware change forces a rebuild, I'm on a new system now so won't need to look at it again for a while.

More likely to use it when the next laptop upgrade comes as there probably won't be any other alternatives by then anyway, choosing which laptop to go with will likely be a bigger issue (not too fussed on the current one) current laptop is 18 months old now so it will get upgraded sooner or later

[Randy]

The ones that didn't when I did look into are probably sorted by now (some editing stuff) but if I changed now it would be change for the sake of change there's really no compelling reason to spend the money when I have a system that is running perfectly well with XP Pro, I'm more likely to look at it again whenever the next hardware change forces a rebuild, I'm on a new system now so won't need to look at it again for a while.

More likely to use it when the next laptop upgrade comes as there probably won't be any other alternatives by then anyway, choosing which laptop to go with will likely be a bigger issue (not too fussed on the current one) current laptop is 18 months old now so it will get upgraded sooner or laterI have yet to encounter any xp -> vista issues. I haven't herd of any large scale programs that don't work in vista, and was just interested in seeing which ones do i fact have that issue.

[jokiin]

I have yet to encounter any xp -> vista issues. I haven't herd of any large scale programs that don't work in vista, and was just interested in seeing which ones do i fact have that issue.

Have some work related stuff that doesn't (or didn't anyway) work, also some stuff I use that needed an upgrade to Vista compatible versions which cost money, just an extra expense that I couldn't justify, maybe some stuff could run in compatibility mode or whatever but even if it could I would be spending money on Vista to find out (ok I was given a copy to try but I was hesitant to use a copy that wasn't legit anyway) even if not paying for the software I didn't really want to put the time into it, I'll use it one day but no pressing need to use it just yet

[MeanDean]

I don't need to know the atomic structure of the can opener(vista) in order to open the can. But it appears its perfectly acceptable for me to have to know the atomic structure of the stick in order to whack it against the side of the can till the can breaks and the beans spill out.

It wasn't that, it was attempting to access root, when root was disabled by ubuntu.

ITS A VM DAMNIT! Using NAT! there are no network settings!

Yeah, it always does that. i wasn't nervous, as i've installed that distro before and it does the same thing.

yeah 'sudo apt-get install build-essentials' so easily remembered. just rolls off the toung. quite descriptive really. you really get that your attempting to install compiler libraries. :rolleyes:

you never need it for vista. You're given the whole OS. Anything you need (OS specific) is automatically downloaded.

It took that long to start everything from scratch. i had to attempt to install the thing on my laptop, wait for it to BSOD. then had to install the VM, configure it, then install ubuntu, then f*ck around installing vmware-tools which messed with my NAT. had to restart is several times. bla bla bla.

The first time, it wasn't responding to mouse input.

I bet that windows install would have worked on my laptop ;)

First of all, sphincters say what.

Yeah I get you finally on the DNS servers. You can set the client up to have it's own IP address though and it would require normal set up like that, and when not, it still connects to the host through seeing the host at an IP address and that probably wasn't configured until it was done automatically at reboot, but I wouldn't have known what to give it for vmware. I've used virtualbox primarily.

So what I'm understanding is that Vista blue screened and then needed to be restarted several times? Honestly?
Myself, I'm not confirming or denying any sort of freeze, or inability to perform some action that required a forced power down on my system.

Accessing the root account is easy enough if you're a priveleged user just sudo su and this works with most Live CD's as well if you run into it. I've heard that Ubuntu actually just sets a random root password with a maximum amount of characters, but I don't really know that to be true or untrue apart from other things on the company domain being misleading or wrong in the past. Not that it's important, just that the more I use the internet, the more I want to sign up to a geek site as a 26 year old hot chick just out of boredom, and maybe I can finally get even with that Ubuntu administrator that got all upset and nasty that I emailed his boss. :rolleyes: I should just give up on all the tech section gibber jabber and start a blog.

Holy Crap I'm watching the news on mute, and someone got shot over this Japanese whaling thing. He was wearing kevlar though. Who wears kevlar when protesting on open water? Who rams ships? Morons.

Anyway... MS was content to give my laptop manufacturer "built for vista" stickers, and XP drivers aren't even available for the laptop model specifically, so that it takes a really long time to update settings means that it takes a really long time to update settings.

So in conclusion I'm right as usual :p
I'm kidding, I know it's gotten foolish again. There's some other stuff I'm right about, but I'm hungry.

[Randy]

So what I'm understanding is that Vista blue screened and then needed to be restarted several times? Honestly?
Myself, I'm not confirming or denying any sort of freeze, or inability to perform some action that required a forced power down on my system.What?


Accessing the root account is easy enough if you're a priveleged user just sudo su and this works with most Live CD's as well if you run into it. I've heard that Ubuntu actually just sets a random root password with a maximum amount of characters, but I don't really know that to be true or untrue apart from other things on the company domain being misleading or wrong in the past.It does. you can overwrite the password, but it isn't 'root' like it used to be.


Anyway... MS was content to give my laptop manufacturer "built for vista" stickers, and XP drivers aren't even available for the laptop model specifically, so that it takes a really long time to update settings means that it takes a really long time to update settings.so?


So in conclusion I'm right as usual :p
I'm kidding, I know it's gotten foolish again. There's some other stuff I'm right about, but I'm hungry.i'm still waiting for the first one. :p

[MeanDean]

First of all, sphincters say what.

What?
I can't believe it :dD
Why couldn't this have happened in General Chat :D

[dvd_beetle]

Why bother with XP when you have vista. If you ever get it you'll understand.

All the talk about XP being better is completely baseless. Its anti-Microsoft crap. influenced more by peoples fear of change than any technical differences.Um, I downloaded the FINAL public beta 2 months before Vista's official release, and I thought it was s.h.i (I think you know where this is going!) I decided based on that experience that I didn't like it. The *only* thing I did like was that the hardware I installed it on it supported better than XP (without manually downloading specific drivers) - but I'm really impressed with XP SP3 now in terms of hardware support.

I'm not anti-Microsoft, by the way. I'll also point out that Linux is better for web-hosting and that has nothing to do with being anti-MS it's just a simple fact.

vista isn't designed as a modular editable OS. Can't edit the OS without the ability to compile. all you can do is... change properties in text files, which is akin to clicking check boxes.
Again, you show your ignorance. You can replace every single part of any MS operating system if you so want. You can write your own explorer.exe, compile it and delete the original, you can replace any MS DLL file with an open-source one, etc - the fact that you *don't* simply illustrates the unavailability of those files being better then MS. Although I have heard of Notepad replacements, but surely that's a trivial program.

An example of this is that you can install Windows 98 using Windows ME's updated resource files for the most part.

so for all intents and purposes.... XP is free.
Um, Vista can be pirated as easily as XP. MS closed the door to piracy in only ONE avenue, you can still avoid the need for activation using at least four different ways I'm aware of. In fact, every function that XP Pro performs can be performed legally under XP Home using freeware extensions (avoiding the need to pay for the more expensive edition) - and that has nothing to do with software piracy.

Vista runs slower, its interface is a nightmare and its configuration has taken a leap backwards. Kind of how the WCAG 2.0 are majorly a backward step from 1.0. Considering that I own a copy of Windows XP, I don't think I'll be converting to Vista.

[Randy]

Um, I downloaded the FINAL public beta 2 months before Vista's official release, and I thought it was s.h.i (I think you know where this is going!) I decided based on that experience that I didn't like it. The *only* thing I did like was that the hardware I installed it on it supported better than XP (without manually downloading specific drivers) - but I'm really impressed with XP SP3 now in terms of hardware support.binning the OS because of your views of the beta :rolleyes:

thanks for playing ;)


I'm not anti-Microsoft, by the way. I'll also point out that Linux is better for web-hosting and that has nothing to do with being anti-MS it's just a simple fact.That is an opinion.


Again, you show your ignorance. You can replace every single part of any MS operating system if you so want. You can write your own explorer.exe, compile it and delete the original, you can replace any MS DLL file with an open-source one, etc - the fact that you *don't* simply illustrates the unavailability of those files being better then MS. Although I have heard of Notepad replacements, but surely that's a trivial program.GTFO! I have no time for idiots like you. How do you compile closed source code? All of what you mention are OS hacks, not OS modifications. You can never modify the kernel. which IS the OS. You can never change vistas 'one to one' thread control model to solaris's 'many to many' thread control model.
FFS its like being spoken to by soundboy about web design :rolleyes:
"Nah your wrong mate, that frog is a goat because it has 4 legs!" The sooner you come to terms with your inadequacies in the IT world, the better. Don't talk to me in here until you do.


Um, Vista can be pirated as easily as XP.Prove that baseless statement.


MS closed the door to piracy in only ONE avenue, you can still avoid the need for activation using at least four different ways I'm aware of.In XP.


Vista runs slowerAero runs slower.

its interface is a nightmare and its configuration has taken a leap backwards.It was designed by psychologists to be intuitive. and it is. If you can't understand it, your just a f*ckwit.


Kind of how the WCAG 2.0 are majorly a backward step from 1.0. Considering that I own a copy of Windows XP, I don't think I'll be converting to Vista.you will, in at least 6 years. ;)

[dvd_beetle]

binning the OS because of your views of the beta :rolleyes:The beta I tested was almost completely identical to the initial RTM version of Vista, Randy.

GTFO! I have no time for idiots like you.
I beg your pardon Randy, but that sounds like a personal insult to me. :(

How do you compile closed source code?
You don't - you compile your own code.

All of what you mention are OS hacks, not OS modifications.
No they're not, not if you compiled your file independently.

You can never modify the kernel.
Yes you can, if you're willing to create yours from scratch. Ever heard of React OS? It uses its own kernel that provides similar functionality to the Windows NT OS kernel.

The sooner you come to terms with your inadequacies in the IT world, the better. Don't talk to me in here until you do.
And I suppose that you thought UNIX couldn't be "cloned" using open source development?

Prove that baseless statement.
Why? 1. Download Vista, 2. Install without a product key, 3. use the internal documented Microsoft command to extend your activation grace period, 4. keep using these internal commands to prolong the activation grace period for up to 1 year using no cracks... or use one of many cracks that disable the activation grace period timer from counting so that Vista is permanently locked in "activation grace period" without a product key indefinitely.

Another way: Use a hacked BIOS firmware to flash to your motherboard to fool Vista into thinking you have a royalty OEM system that is allowed to install vista using a royalty OEM key that doesn't require activation, 2. install vista, 3. no further action is required, your system is "activated". This can also be achieved using hacked DLL files that tell the OS that the motherboard BIOS is a royalty OEM system.

Another way: Purchase a royalty OEM system without an operating system, now when you install Vista and use the correct Royalty OEM key the same result as above happens (product activation is not required, and your system will be completely indistinguishable from any other Genuine Vista system from that manufacturer).

^^ That covers the four ways I mentioned that are currently available to avoid activation.

Aero runs slower.
It was designed by psychologists to be intuitive. and it is. If you can't understand it, your just a f*ckwit.
I'm reporting your post now, for personal insults. I did not use the aero theme. Stop using straw man arguments.

you will, in at least 6 years. ;)
No, I won't.

[Randy]

The beta I tested was almost completely identical to the initial RTM version of Vista, Randy.So?

There have been oodles of improvement patches since then.


I beg your pardon Randy, but that sounds like a personal insult to me. :(I guess it does.


You don't - you compile your own code.You compile vista's non-released source code?

thanks for playing ;)


No they're not, not if you compiled your file independently.How would you know what to make it do, when you don't know what it does. None of the code is released. So no code can be designed to do its job, or improve on it. In any case, its bastardising the OS, not modifying it. I can move my car to the left by smashing into a strategically placed wall. doesn't mean i found another way to steer.


Yes you can, if you're willing to create yours from scratch. Ever heard of React OS? It uses its own kernel that provides similar functionality to the Windows NT OS kernel.It then ceases to be windows. There are linux 'vista clones'. Just because they look like vista doesn't make them vista.


And I suppose that you thought UNIX couldn't be "cloned" using open source development?What?


Um, Vista can be pirated as easily as XP.


Why? 1. Download Vista, 2. Install without a product key, 3. use the internal documented Microsoft command to extend your activation grace period, 4. keep using these internal commands to prolong the activation grace period for up to 1 year using no cracks... or use one of many cracks that disable the activation grace period timer from counting so that Vista is permanently locked in "activation grace period" without a product key indefinitely.

Another way: Use a hacked BIOS firmware to flash to your motherboard to fool Vista into thinking you have a royalty OEM system that is allowed to install vista using a royalty OEM key that doesn't require activation, 2. install vista, 3. no further action is required, your system is "activated". This can also be achieved using hacked DLL files that tell the OS that the motherboard BIOS is a royalty OEM system.

Another way: Purchase a royalty OEM system without an operating system, now when you install Vista and use the correct Royalty OEM key the same result as above happens (product activation is not required, and your system will be completely indistinguishable from any other Genuine Vista system from that manufacturer).

^^ That covers the four ways I mentioned that are currently available to avoid activation.Well thanks, but that doesn't prove your statement. I asked you to prove your baseless claim that pirating vista is just as easy as pirating XP. You in fact proved my point. BTW, isn't that 3?

thanks for playing ;)


I'm reporting your post now, for personal insults. I did not use the aero theme. Stop using straw man arguments.You think your the first one?
Beetle and his girlie flailing arm attack when backed into a corner. "straw man! straw man!" Just because an argumentative style has a name, doesn't make it stop being a valid means of articulating information.


No, I won't.XP support is scheduled to cease in 2014. (2008-2014 = 6 ;)). hardware and software support are already beginning to cease for XP. Perhaps Linux is more your style. ;)

[Randy]

The beta I tested was almost completely identical to the initial RTM version of Vista, Randy.So?

There have been oodles of improvement patches since then.


I beg your pardon Randy, but that sounds like a personal insult to me. :(I guess it does.


You don't - you compile your own code.You compile vista's non-released source code?

thanks for playing ;)


No they're not, not if you compiled your file independently.How would you know what to make it do, when you don't know what it does. None of the code is released. So no code can be designed to do its job, or improve on it. In any case, its bastardising the OS, not modifying it. I can move my car to the left by smashing into a strategically placed wall. doesn't mean i found another way to steer.


Yes you can, if you're willing to create yours from scratch. Ever heard of React OS? It uses its own kernel that provides similar functionality to the Windows NT OS kernel.It then ceases to be windows. There are linux 'vista clones' just because they look like vist,a doesn't make them vista.


And I suppose that you thought UNIX couldn't be "cloned" using open source development?What?


Um, Vista can be pirated as easily as XP.


Why? 1. Download Vista, 2. Install without a product key, 3. use the internal documented Microsoft command to extend your activation grace period, 4. keep using these internal commands to prolong the activation grace period for up to 1 year using no cracks... or use one of many cracks that disable the activation grace period timer from counting so that Vista is permanently locked in "activation grace period" without a product key indefinitely.

Another way: Use a hacked BIOS firmware to flash to your motherboard to fool Vista into thinking you have a royalty OEM system that is allowed to install vista using a royalty OEM key that doesn't require activation, 2. install vista, 3. no further action is required, your system is "activated". This can also be achieved using hacked DLL files that tell the OS that the motherboard BIOS is a royalty OEM system.

Another way: Purchase a royalty OEM system without an operating system, now when you install Vista and use the correct Royalty OEM key the same result as above happens (product activation is not required, and your system will be completely indistinguishable from any other Genuine Vista system from that manufacturer).

^^ That covers the four ways I mentioned that are currently available to avoid activation.Well thanks, but that doesn't prove your statement. I asked you to prove your baseless claim that pirating vista is just as easy as pirating XP. You in fact proved my point. BTW isn't that 3?

thanks for playing ;)


I'm reporting your post now, for personal insults. I did not use the aero theme. Stop using straw man arguments.Beetle and his girley flailing arm attack when backed into a corner. "straw man! straw man!" Just because an argumentative style has a name, doesn't make it stop being a valid means of articulating information.


No, I won't.XP support is scheduled to cease in 2014. (2008-2014 = 6 ;)). hardware and software support are already beginning to cease for XP. Perhaps Linux is more your style. ;)