Re: Here we go again - The living generation want compo

[Ext User(lynx)]

Roger wrote:

> Here's the logic;
>
> 1. take kids away from abusive parents
> 2. get some numpty to name them the "stolen generation"
> 3. get another numpty to make an enormous claim that they are alive 'cos
> they were taken away from their abusive parents.
>
>
> Rename the ****ers the Living Generation 'cos at least 80% of 'em would be
> dead had they been allowed to remain the walking dead with their parents.
>
> We can see the results of the stolen generation claims now - child
> protective services are all shit scared of taking abo kids from abusive
> family/living arrangements. They'll be making claims soon about the dead
> generation!!!
>
>

Yep! dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. Perhaps we should just
leave them alone. Leave them to rape and abuse their kids, stop the dole
money, medical care, housing assistance, cheap loans, and all the rest,
and of course no alcohol, and let them live the way they that claim they
want to.. without 'white mans' 'interference'. But of course our
humanity wont allow us to do that. So we try to help them, and to help
them help themselves, and they want to punish us for that, and make us
pay for it! It's a crazy world.

--

rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/
'Dinner will be ready when the smoke alarm goes off!'

[Ext User(Benway)]

lynx wrote:
> Roger wrote:
>
> > Here's the logic;
> >
> > 1. take kids away from abusive parents
> > 2. get some numpty to name them the "stolen generation"
> > 3. get another numpty to make an enormous claim that they are alive 'cos
> > they were taken away from their abusive parents.
> >
> >
> > Rename the ****ers the Living Generation 'cos at least 80% of 'em would be
> > dead had they been allowed to remain the walking dead with their parents.
> >
> > We can see the results of the stolen generation claims now - child
> > protective services are all shit scared of taking abo kids from abusive
> > family/living arrangements. They'll be making claims soon about the dead
> > generation!!!
> >
> >
>
> Yep! dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. Perhaps we should just
> leave them alone. Leave them to rape and abuse their kids, stop the dole
> money, medical care, housing assistance, cheap loans, and all the rest,
> and of course no alcohol, and let them live the way they that claim they
> want to.. without 'white mans' 'interference'. But of course our
> humanity wont allow us to do that. So we try to help them, and to help
> them help themselves, and they want to punish us for that, and make us
> pay for it! It's a crazy world.
>
> --
>
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> =====
> http://pw352.blogspot.com/
> 'Dinner will be ready when the smoke alarm goes off!'
*************************************************
Howard was of course too wise to spend billions on
aborigines when he could squander much more than
that on his neocon buddies in Washington.
John was VERY generous with his special friends.
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[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> Roger wrote:
>
>> Here's the logic;
>>
>> 1. take kids away from abusive parents
>> 2. get some numpty to name them the "stolen
>> generation"
>> 3. get another numpty to make an enormous claim
>> that they are alive 'cos they were taken away from
>> their abusive parents.
>>
>>
>> Rename the ****ers the Living Generation 'cos at
>> least 80% of 'em would be dead had they been
>> allowed to remain the walking dead with their
>> parents.
>>
>> We can see the results of the stolen generation
>> claims now - child protective services are all shit
>> scared of taking abo kids from abusive
>> family/living arrangements. They'll be making
>> claims soon about the dead generation!!!
>>
>
> Yep! dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. Perhaps
> we should just leave them alone. Leave them to rape
> and abuse their kids, stop the dole money, medical
> care, housing assistance, cheap loans, and all the
> rest, and of course no alcohol, and let them live
> the way they that claim they want to.. without
> 'white mans' 'interference'. But of course our
> humanity wont allow us to do that. So we try to help
> them, and to help them help themselves, and they
> want to punish us for that, and make us pay for it!
> It's a crazy world.
>
> --
>
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> =====
> http://pw352.blogspot.com/
> 'Dinner will be ready when the smoke alarm goes
> off!'

We've bent over backwards to help them ever since we
took all the arable land in the country wthout giving
them a brass razoo for it.
Ungrateful savages!

[Ext User(Theo Bekkers)]

Swampfox wrote:
> "lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote

>> Yep! dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. Perhaps
>> we should just leave them alone. Leave them to rape
>> and abuse their kids, stop the dole money, medical
>> care, housing assistance, cheap loans, and all the
>> rest, and of course no alcohol, and let them live
>> the way they that claim they want to.. without
>> 'white mans' 'interference'. But of course our
>> humanity wont allow us to do that. So we try to help
>> them, and to help them help themselves, and they
>> want to punish us for that, and make us pay for it!
>> It's a crazy world.

You're partly right. I've met a lot of people, both in real life and on the
net, who believe that the aborigines have too many millions spent on them,
far more than is spent on 'white' people who have to shoulder this financial
burden. I've yet to meet anyone who wants to become one.

> We've bent over backwards to help them ever since we
> took all the arable land in the country wthout giving
> them a brass razoo for it.
> Ungrateful savages!

Not true, we gave them alcohol and syphilis. In the first five years of
white inhabitation, some 90% of the aboriginals in the Sydney area succumbed
to disease.

Theo

[Ext User(Benway)]

Swampfox wrote:
> "lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:QYegj.223$421.63@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Roger wrote:
> >
> >> Here's the logic;
> >>
> >> 1. take kids away from abusive parents
> >> 2. get some numpty to name them the "stolen
> >> generation"
> >> 3. get another numpty to make an enormous claim
> >> that they are alive 'cos they were taken away from
> >> their abusive parents.
> >>
> >>
> >> Rename the ****ers the Living Generation 'cos at
> >> least 80% of 'em would be dead had they been
> >> allowed to remain the walking dead with their
> >> parents.
> >>
> >> We can see the results of the stolen generation
> >> claims now - child protective services are all shit
> >> scared of taking abo kids from abusive
> >> family/living arrangements. They'll be making
> >> claims soon about the dead generation!!!
> >>
> >
> > Yep! dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. Perhaps
> > we should just leave them alone. Leave them to rape
> > and abuse their kids, stop the dole money, medical
> > care, housing assistance, cheap loans, and all the
> > rest, and of course no alcohol, and let them live
> > the way they that claim they want to.. without
> > 'white mans' 'interference'. But of course our
> > humanity wont allow us to do that. So we try to help
> > them, and to help them help themselves, and they
> > want to punish us for that, and make us pay for it!
> > It's a crazy world.
> >
> > --
> >
> > rgds,
> >
> > Pete
> > =====
> > http://pw352.blogspot.com/
> > 'Dinner will be ready when the smoke alarm goes
> > off!'
>
> We've bent over backwards to help them ever since we
> took all the arable land in the country wthout giving
> them a brass razoo for it.
> Ungrateful savages!
**********************************
Greedy they are - not generous and
personally frugal like John and Petey's
plutocrat, establishment mates.
What is the world coming to when
the inferior classes and races forget
their place in God's scheme of things?
************************************

[Ext User(lynx)]

Theo Bekkers wrote:

> Swampfox wrote:
>
>> "lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote
>>
>>> Yep! dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. Perhaps
>>> we should just leave them alone. Leave them to rape
>>> and abuse their kids, stop the dole money, medical
>>> care, housing assistance, cheap loans, and all the
>>> rest, and of course no alcohol, and let them live
>>> the way they that claim they want to.. without
>>> 'white mans' 'interference'. But of course our
>>> humanity wont allow us to do that. So we try to help
>>> them, and to help them help themselves, and they
>>> want to punish us for that, and make us pay for it!
>>> It's a crazy world.
>>>
>
> You're partly right. I've met a lot of people, both in real life and on the
> net, who believe that the aborigines have too many millions spent on them,
> far more than is spent on 'white' people who have to shoulder this financial
> burden. I've yet to meet anyone who wants to become one.
>
>
>> We've bent over backwards to help them ever since we
>> took all the arable land in the country wthout giving
>> them a brass razoo for it.
>> Ungrateful savages!
>>
>
> Not true, we gave them alcohol and syphilis. In the first five years of
> white inhabitation, some 90% of the aboriginals in the Sydney area succumbed
> to disease.
>

10% too few?

> Theo
>
>
>


--

rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/
'I hit the CTRL key but I'm still not in control! '

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> Theo Bekkers wrote:
>
>> Swampfox wrote:
>>
>>> "lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote
>>>
>>>> Yep! dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> we should just leave them alone. Leave them to
>>>> rape
>>>> and abuse their kids, stop the dole money,
>>>> medical
>>>> care, housing assistance, cheap loans, and all
>>>> the
>>>> rest, and of course no alcohol, and let them live
>>>> the way they that claim they want to.. without
>>>> 'white mans' 'interference'. But of course our
>>>> humanity wont allow us to do that. So we try to
>>>> help
>>>> them, and to help them help themselves, and they
>>>> want to punish us for that, and make us pay for
>>>> it!
>>>> It's a crazy world.
>>>>
>>
>> You're partly right. I've met a lot of people, both
>> in real life and on the net, who believe that the
>> aborigines have too many millions spent on them,
>> far more than is spent on 'white' people who have
>> to shoulder this financial burden. I've yet to meet
>> anyone who wants to become one.
>>
>>
>>> We've bent over backwards to help them ever since
>>> we
>>> took all the arable land in the country wthout
>>> giving
>>> them a brass razoo for it.
>>> Ungrateful savages!
>>>
>>
>> Not true, we gave them alcohol and syphilis. In the
>> first five years of white inhabitation, some 90% of
>> the aboriginals in the Sydney area succumbed to
>> disease.
>>
>
> 10% too few?
>
>> Theo
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> =====
> http://pw352.blogspot.com/
> 'I hit the CTRL key but I'm still not in control! '

You're a real charmer aren't you.

[Ext User(kangarooistan)]

On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "s...@ozemail.com.au" <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:
> On Jan 11, 10:21 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>
> > lynx wrote:
> > > Theo Bekkers wrote:
> > >> Not true, we gave them alcohol and syphilis. In the
> > >> first five years of white inhabitation, some 90% of
> > >> the aboriginals in the Sydney area succumbed to
> > >> disease.
>
..
> The white Engliah/European migrants who came to this country had
> generations of alcohol use behind them and were more bio-chenically
> adapted to it.
> They were not to know the Aborigines could not easily adapt to the use
> of alcohol.
> The problems of alcohol abuse are still within our own population
> today.
Indeed its seems the harmfull effects of alcohol has been hard on all
peoples , but especially native peoples who have not had thousands of
years to adapt , I suspect the most vulnerable white people died out
long ago and a self selection of Alcohol tolerance has developed in
many white people

Its very very likely similar to genetic tolerance we see in many
different places , brown people better tolerate maleris and S E Asians
better digest carbohydrates I think , and brown skin does better in
hot areas and white skin does better in very cold places

Aboriginal peoples should avoid alcohol IMHO or suffer the problems
that come from it

I suspect alcohol has been used as a weapon in many conflicts , it was
given to Native Americans to weaken them
>
> However, any person who provides Aborigines with alcohol should be
> charged with a criminal offence. That is my considered opinion.
>
> In 1967 I had the opportunity of spending three weeks at the Yarrabah
> Anglican Mission outside Cairns.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah
> gives information of that site.

A lot like many such camps to gather native peoples and then kill them
off , as happened on Flinders Island and a thousand others like it all
around the world
>
> When the Mission was taken over by the government activists demanded
> that a hotel be erected.
> Subsequently there was the highest youth suicide in Queensland at that
> site.
> My first information about that was in a Sydney Morning Herald article
> - date possibly about 2004.

Its no accident GS


It happened EVERY WHERE for hundreds of years all around the world

It was NO accident

It was planned GENOCIDE

Even if you did not notice it at the time

This is how the nazis worked as well

They pretended they were looking after the POWs , but were working
them to death and exploiting them until they died
>
> > > 10% too few?
>
> The Aborigines have as much right to continuing existence as any other
> group of peoples in this world.
>
> I wonder though whether full-blood Aborigines can continue to exist as
> inter-marriage would most likely bring about the same problems as in
> other separated groups.
Inter marriage is the norm over time all group mix

If you visit in 1000 years there will be a brown skinned people living
in this country

and a white tribe living in northern europe


>
> Their greater amount of melanin when inter-breeding with Northern
> Europeans would give greater immunity to skin problems due to exposure
> to the sun.
> I can see that my father - son of my German grandfather should have
> married an Aboriginal woman instead of the daughter of my Dutch
> grandfather - but too late to consider that now!

There has been 6 or 7 generations since 1788

Some people would thus be only about 1/2 , 1/4 , 1/8 , 1/16 , 1/32,
1/64 , 1/128

MANY people including YOU are probably part Aboriginal or related to a
person who is

Most people of 1/4 or less dont stand out in any way as Aboriginal

Even though they may well know their grandparent was a full blood
aboriginal , and have known or lived with them , nobody would know
unless they told you and as you well know , most hid it from even
their own family at times
>
> My first contact with Aborigines was from 1952 - 1954, in my first
> country teaching appointment.
>
> www.aimpa.com/About.htm#Top
>
> I also had contact with work in the Northern Territory by the Anglican
> and Methodist churches.
>
> All those efforts by Christians were really pioneering programmes. At
> times mistakes were made. Not all of those involved were suitable for
> the work. It is easy in hindsight with greater understanding to be
> critical.
>
> But if you look at the $50 Austalian note, there is a picture of David
> Unaipon, an Aborigine, who lived with Christian missionaries in South
> Australia. He became an inventor and wrote a book about Aboriginal
> legends in English. They were activities he would never have
> experienced had he stayed in his Aboriginal tribe wandering from place
> to place gathering food.

Many people FALL for this error of logic GS

Why would Aboriginal people not want to enjoy modern stuff

Do you think non christians should all use horse and carts

Do you think its ok if I kill 99% of whites and then care for the 1%
who survive to offer as proof Im a nice person ??

Do you think a mass murder , who worked as a doctor and saved a
thousand peoples lives is not guilty of a crime of murder if he kills
a person , he gets off cos of his good deeds

White christtian capitalists ,are guilty of killing off most native
peoples that got in their way , and had no use , they got killed off

all around the world

its no accident GS , you got USED

For 500 years
>
> The Christians who were involved with that pioneering work have been
> overlooked by the media.
> Politicians who have, in later years, shown a public interest in
> Aborigines, have been more willing to concentrate on the negatives in
> their bid to gain votes,
> and when they can 'puff out their chests as they say "Look what we
> have done"', forgetting they have the public purse to dig into for
> their funding.
>
> Gladys Swager

One day GS , Aboriginal peopes will show you what high IQ they have

There is no use building up wealth if the white christian capitalists
see it they WILL KILL YOU AND STEAL IT

When Native peoples get proper protection , they will AGAIN rebuild
their communities

it wont be long now till wester white christian capitalists empires
collapse and canibalize each other now there re no native peoples left
to plunder they WILL turn on each other

When they kill each other off , you can become true believer and help
rebuild the country AGAIN

kanga
======

A few links for YA

The history of Islam among the Aboriginal population is older than
with Christianity.

Some of the oldest contacts of the Aborigines with Muslims include
some of the oldest contacts with the outside world itself because most
of the people neighbouring Australia are Muslim (see Macassan contact
with Australia).

More contact came with the "Afghan" camel trains, where the two
groups found that they shared a similar sense of spirituality and
there was some intermarriage.

pics , Afghan / Aboriginal kids , marree south Australia 1800s
http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/marree.htm

3, the growing community of indigenous Aboriginal Muslims is
increasing rapidly ,
] This community is rising rapidly as a result of increasing rates of
conversions. Many do it for spiritual purposes while others see Islam
as empowering; they say it gives them strength to face the challenges
of being the most disadvantaged
group in Australia.

Still, others are descendants of Afghan cameleers or, as in the
Arnhem land people, have Macassan ancestry.[4] The boxer Anthony
Mundine is a member of this community.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia

Historians are unsure as to when the journeys began from Ujungpandang
(Makassar) to the place the Macassans called Marege.[1] -- the north
coast of Australia. Trepang trade from Makassar appears to have began
around 1720, though some writers suggest the voyages began 300 years
earlier (about 1400).

The extent of their journeys ranged thousands of kilometers, from
the Kimberleys in the west to Mornington Island in the east of the
Gulf of Carpentaria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macassan_contact_with_Australia

The " Afghan " / Aboriginal Muslim Camelmen.and women
http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/afghans.htm

old snaps in government archive links
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an24616866
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an24206413
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an24339578
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an24538058
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an24230028

Camels shot for sport and left to rot by christian
www.ausafari.com.au/camel_hunt_03a.jpg

http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn4232509
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3544010

Aboriginal Muslim woman cameleer
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an23217485

http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-vn3666470-s9-a1
Albert Namatjira with his camels
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an22839544
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an24153964

In 1862 Samuel Stuckey went to Karachi to bring out camels. He was
unsuccessful that time, as was McKay from Mount Deception in 1864-5.
However in 1866 Stuckey succeeded in bringing out more than a hundred
camels and, as nobody knew how to handle camels, 31 Afghan cameleers
as well.

Although these, and later camelmen, came from different ethnic groups
and from vastly different places such as Baluchistan, Kashmir, Sind,
Rajastan, Egypt, Persia, Turkey and Punjab, they were collectively
known as "Afghans." in Australia still in most articles you read ,

Soon the camels and their drivers were transporting materials and
supplies to Elder's stations at Blanchewater and Murnpeowie.

Later Thomas Elder's teams carried desperately needed supplies for
the starving diggers at Milparinka.

One early arrival was Hadji Mulla Merban from Kandabar, Afghanistan

Wherever these Afghan cameleers settled, they lived in a separate part
of town. Consequently many inland towns had three distinct sections,
one for the Europeans, one for the Aborigines and a third section for
the Afghans.

Their areas became known as Afghan or Ghan Town. There was contact
between the Aboriginal and Afghan groups but almost no contact between
the Europeans and these two groups.
Aboriginal Muslim woman cameleer
http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an23217485

Examples of this are well
illustrated in Farina and Marree where even the cemeteries are divided
along these lines.

Marree, with its high concentration of "Afghans ", was soon referred
to as Little Asia. It also became the centre for inland transport with
camel strings leaving regularly for the Birdsville, Oodnadatta and
Strzelecki tracks, Broken Hill, the Northern Territory and the Western
Australian gold fields.

They often suffered from racial prejudice as a result of their
religion, culture or the economic competition they provided for a
declining number of jobs.

In 1884 nearly three hundred camels and fifty-six " Afghans " were
landed at Port Augusta. The largest group landed in 1893 when four
hundred camels and ninety-four men disembarked. During his election
speech at Port Augusta, in March 1893, Alexander Poynton made it clear
that he was against the importation of more Afghans and their camels.
If elected 'he would put a prohibitive Poll Tax upon them'. A month
later it was reported that 94 Afghans had landed at Port Augusta and
'meant business and money getting'. Contemporary opinions about their
presence in the outback were not always very kind.

Each Afghan community had its own leader. In Oodnadatta it was Abdul
Kadir and in Marree it was Bejah Dervish.

Bejah, decorated for his
military service, came from Baluchistan and later took part with L.A.
Wells in the Calvert Expedition of 1896.
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/images/portraits/A070246.jpg
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A070246b.htm

In these communities the Afghans continued to live as they had always
done, following the Muslim religion and customs. Most Afghans who came
to Australia were single or if married left their wives behind as they
expected to return wealthy in the not too distant future. Many
remained single but others married Aboriginal women. Very few married
white women.

Afghans provided almost all goods and services from South Australia to
the Northern Territory. On a regular basis they left Marree, and later
when the railhead was at Oodnadatta, with their camel teams for
Stuart, later renamed Alice Springs. Some of the well known Afghans
among them were Hector Mahomet, Peer Mahomet and Charlie Sadadeen.

Ernestine Hill wrote, 'Within the high tin walls of the Afghan camps
in all towns of the north line, white women are living, the only ones
in Australia who have blended to any extent with the alien in our
midst. Renouncing the association of the women of their own race, they
have forsaken their own religion for the teachings of the Prophet and
the life of the cities for the desert trail. Several of these have
made the pilgrimage to Mecca'.

In 1880 Sub Inspector B.C. Besley suggested that the police in the
north should use camels for the collection of statistics and sensus
forms. His suggestion was taken up and camels were from then on used
by all police in the north for all kinds of work.

The Marree police used camels to patrol the outback until 1949.

When the camels, who were brought here because they could carry loads
of up to 600 pounds over long distances with little food or water over
almost any terrain, had outlived their usefulness, they became a pest

.. Most were shot when found on common land or without a registration
disk. In this way hundreds were shot by the police to the delight of
the pastoralists.

A lasting legacy of the Afghans are the date palms which they planted
wherever they went and the Ghan which was named after them.

more at
http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/afghans.htm
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

pics , Afghan / Aboriginal kids , marree south Australia 1800s
http://www.southaustralianhistory.com.au/marree.htm

Probably the least known 2 South Australian pioneers

http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A070049b.htm
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/images/portraits/A070049.jpg

http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/images/portraits/A070246.jpg
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A070246b.htm

http://afghanland.com/culture/austra2.jpg

Afew snaps that may be of interest , not all from south australia or
muslims
http://www.comedy-zone.net/pictures/images/animals/170503/camels.jpg

http://www.crikey-adventure-tours.com/images/Nullarbor_plain.jpg
http://www.volvoadventures.com/164AusRoadTrainSign.jpg
http://www.crikey-adventure-tours.com/images/Nullarbor_plain2.jpg
http://www.thedailylink.com/thespiralburrow/species/mapyasch.jpg
http://www.ratebeer.com/images/features/australia1.gif
http://www.goworldtravel.com/mar05/Aerial-view-IP-on-The-Nulla.jpg
http://www.nasm.si.edu/ceps/research/earth/craddock_simpson3.jpg
http://www.cameltreks.com.au/images/Simpson-Desert-Stripes-1_ed.jpg
http://www.ga.gov.au/education/facts/images/desert1.jpg
http://www.cameltreks.com.au/images/sde---string-in-washout_edi.jpg
http://gutenberg.net.au/ausexplore2/favenc-43.jpg
http://camelphotos.com/GraphicsP7/australia_camel_train.jpg
http://camelphotos.com/GraphicsP7/australian_camel_wagon2.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1150000/images/_1154029_choochoo300.jpg
http://www.holiday-wa.net/images/Pilbara-train.jpg
http://www.usus.org/timo/355days/img/0527_roadtrain.JPG
http://www.volvoadventures.com/164AusRoadTrain.jpg
http://www.infomine.com/minesite/images/robe7x.gif
http://www.gouldtransport.com.au/images/gallery/wr2.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200707/r161503_592182.jpg
http://www.atn.com.au/graphics/waflatroad.jpg
http://goodshit.phlap.net/snipshot_e4kwu85hiqjaaaaa.jpg
http://www.popadd.com/mws/usr/overlandy2006/img/1167541217NJDjAq-m.jpg
http://www.sauer-thompson.com/junkforcode/archives/DesertStony1.jpg
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=932&rendTypeId=4
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kanga
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[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"kangarooistan" <peramangk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad6cc970-1e67-467b-93b5-01e74a5a15cd@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "s...@ozemail.com.au"
> <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>> On Jan 11, 10:21 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>>
>> > lynx wrote:
>> > > Theo Bekkers wrote:
>> > >> Not true, we gave them alcohol and syphilis.
>> > >> In the
>> > >> first five years of white inhabitation, some
>> > >> 90% of
>> > >> the aboriginals in the Sydney area succumbed
>> > >> to
>> > >> disease.
>>
> .
>> The white Engliah/European migrants who came to
>> this country had
>> generations of alcohol use behind them and were
>> more bio-chenically
>> adapted to it.
>> They were not to know the Aborigines could not
>> easily adapt to the use
>> of alcohol.
>> The problems of alcohol abuse are still within our
>> own population
>> today.
> Indeed its seems the harmfull effects of alcohol has
> been hard on all
> peoples , but especially native peoples who have not
> had thousands of
> years to adapt , I suspect the most vulnerable white
> people died out
> long ago and a self selection of Alcohol tolerance
> has developed in
> many white people
>
> Its very very likely similar to genetic tolerance we
> see in many
> different places , brown people better tolerate
> maleris and S E Asians
> better digest carbohydrates I think , and brown
> skin does better in
> hot areas and white skin does better in very cold
> places
>
> Aboriginal peoples should avoid alcohol IMHO or
> suffer the problems
> that come from it
>
> I suspect alcohol has been used as a weapon in many
> conflicts , it was
> given to Native Americans to weaken them
>>
>> However, any person who provides Aborigines with
>> alcohol should be
>> charged with a criminal offence. That is my
>> considered opinion.
>>
>> In 1967 I had the opportunity of spending three
>> weeks at the Yarrabah
>> Anglican Mission outside Cairns.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah
>> gives information of that site.
>
> A lot like many such camps to gather native peoples
> and then kill them
> off , as happened on Flinders Island and a thousand
> others like it all
> around the world
>>
>> When the Mission was taken over by the government
>> activists demanded
>> that a hotel be erected.
>> Subsequently there was the highest youth suicide in
>> Queensland at that
>> site.
>> My first information about that was in a Sydney
>> Morning Herald article
>> - date possibly about 2004.
>
> Its no accident GS
>
>
> It happened EVERY WHERE for hundreds of years all
> around the world
>
> It was NO accident
>
> It was planned GENOCIDE

Rubbish.
If the aboriginals had all walked off their land to
parts of Australia that whites didn't want they would
have been left alone.
The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were in
the way, it's that simple.

<snip>

[Ext User(kangarooistan)]

On Jan 12, 2:24 pm, "Swampfox" <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:
> "kangarooistan" <perama...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ad6cc970-1e67-467b-93b5-01e74a5a15cd@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "s...@ozemail.com.au"
> > <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >> On Jan 11, 10:21 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>
> >> > lynx wrote:
> >> > > Theo Bekkers wrote:
> >> > >> Not true, we gave them alcohol and syphilis.
> >> > >> In the
> >> > >> first five years of white inhabitation, some
> >> > >> 90% of
> >> > >> the aboriginals in the Sydney area succumbed
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> disease.
>
> > .
> >> The white Engliah/European migrants who came to
> >> this country had
> >> generations of alcohol use behind them and were
> >> more bio-chenically
> >> adapted to it.
> >> They were not to know the Aborigines could not
> >> easily adapt to the use
> >> of alcohol.
> >> The problems of alcohol abuse are still within our
> >> own population
> >> today.
> > Indeed its seems the harmfull effects of alcohol has
> > been hard on all
> > peoples , but especially native peoples who have not
> > had thousands of
> > years to adapt , I suspect the most vulnerable white
> > people died out
> > long ago and a self selection of Alcohol tolerance
> > has developed in
> > many white people
>
> > Its very very likely similar to genetic tolerance we
> > see in many
> > different places , brown people better tolerate
> > maleris and S E Asians
> > better digest carbohydrates I think , and brown
> > skin does better in
> > hot areas and white skin does better in very cold
> > places
>
> > Aboriginal peoples should avoid alcohol IMHO or
> > suffer the problems
> > that come from it
>
> > I suspect alcohol has been used as a weapon in many
> > conflicts , it was
> > given to Native Americans to weaken them
>
> >> However, any person who provides Aborigines with
> >> alcohol should be
> >> charged with a criminal offence. That is my
> >> considered opinion.
>
> >> In 1967 I had the opportunity of spending three
> >> weeks at the Yarrabah
> >> Anglican Mission outside Cairns.
>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah
> >> gives information of that site.
>
> > A lot like many such camps to gather native peoples
> > and then kill them
> > off , as happened on Flinders Island and a thousand
> > others like it all
> > around the world
>
> >> When the Mission was taken over by the government
> >> activists demanded
> >> that a hotel be erected.
> >> Subsequently there was the highest youth suicide in
> >> Queensland at that
> >> site.
> >> My first information about that was in a Sydney
> >> Morning Herald article
> >> - date possibly about 2004.
>
> > Its no accident GS
>
> > It happened EVERY WHERE for hundreds of years all
> > around the world
>
> > It was NO accident
>
> > It was planned GENOCIDE
>
..
..
> Rubbish.
> If the aboriginals had all walked off their land to
> parts of Australia that whites didn't want they would
> have been left alone.
> The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were in
> the way, it's that simple.

Thats GREAT mate

I will tell the Indonesians that


And you can start packing

If might makes right the poor silly white aussies sure are temporary
residents

kanga
=====

[Ext User(swa@ozemail.com.au)]

On Jan 12, 4:06*pm, kangarooistan wrote:

<snip>

> If might makes right the poor silly white aussies sure
> are temporary residents
>
Kangarooistan,
If you are so sure that the Islamic faith is correct I would suggest
that you pack-up amd go to a country that has an Islamic majority and
where those who are in the minority have few rights.

But before you do that, use your computer to find the websites that
give a comparison between the teachings of Jesus Christ and Muhammed.
Their lives were poles apart, but your religious teachers do not give
you that information.

www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/compare.htm

Muhammed used the Biblical scriptures; the Koran is about 70% Old
Testament scriptures and about 7% New Testament scriptures with some
twists to suit him.

Muhammed did not worship Jehovah, the Triune Almighty God of the
Bible; he chose to make Allah the moon god of the Kaaba, his diety.
He said that Allah allowed men four wives, but that Muhammed could
have six.
Muhammed even had a nine year-old girl as one of his wives.

It is not a matter of whether some of the Aborigines knew of the
Islamic faith before Christians came to Australia.
The fact was that Muhammed's followers cut off access to the east of
Arabia to the Europeans and that caused the sea-fearing nations of
Spain, Portugal, France, England, and Holland to find routes round the
bottom of Africa and America into this area.

The English were the most successful with the ships that they built,
and despite problems, much technology was brought into this area (from
the Industrial and Agricultural Revolutions that has occurred there)
to supplement what was already in this area (as in China), to enable
larger populations.

Whether you, Kangarooistan, are willing to recognise it or not, that
is your choice, Austalia is a better palce because the English came
here.
The Aborigines can now have a better lifestyle if they are willing to
accept it.

In some tribal groups the older women have taken the situation in hand
and have stopped younger Aboriginees sniffing petrol and other
substances.
In some areas Aboriginees have started small businesses and are
independent.

Some Aborigines can now have University educations and have leading
roles in the community.

So balance the good with the bad, and as I do and I say that the
situation has been improving for many Aborigines, because the English
came here 220 years ago.

Gladys Swager

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"kangarooistan" <peramangk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b856dab5-2b32-42c7-b656-93791ec16afd@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 12, 2:24 pm, "Swampfox"
> <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:
>> "kangarooistan" <perama...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> message
>>
>> news:ad6cc970-1e67-467b-93b5-01e74a5a15cd@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "s...@ozemail.com.au"
>> > <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Jan 11, 10:21 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>>
>> >> > lynx wrote:
>> >> > > Theo Bekkers wrote:
>> >> > >> Not true, we gave them alcohol and
>> >> > >> syphilis.
>> >> > >> In the
>> >> > >> first five years of white inhabitation,
>> >> > >> some
>> >> > >> 90% of
>> >> > >> the aboriginals in the Sydney area
>> >> > >> succumbed
>> >> > >> to
>> >> > >> disease.
>>
>> > .
>> >> The white Engliah/European migrants who came to
>> >> this country had
>> >> generations of alcohol use behind them and were
>> >> more bio-chenically
>> >> adapted to it.
>> >> They were not to know the Aborigines could not
>> >> easily adapt to the use
>> >> of alcohol.
>> >> The problems of alcohol abuse are still within
>> >> our
>> >> own population
>> >> today.
>> > Indeed its seems the harmfull effects of alcohol
>> > has
>> > been hard on all
>> > peoples , but especially native peoples who have
>> > not
>> > had thousands of
>> > years to adapt , I suspect the most vulnerable
>> > white
>> > people died out
>> > long ago and a self selection of Alcohol
>> > tolerance
>> > has developed in
>> > many white people
>>
>> > Its very very likely similar to genetic tolerance
>> > we
>> > see in many
>> > different places , brown people better tolerate
>> > maleris and S E Asians
>> > better digest carbohydrates I think , and brown
>> > skin does better in
>> > hot areas and white skin does better in very cold
>> > places
>>
>> > Aboriginal peoples should avoid alcohol IMHO or
>> > suffer the problems
>> > that come from it
>>
>> > I suspect alcohol has been used as a weapon in
>> > many
>> > conflicts , it was
>> > given to Native Americans to weaken them
>>
>> >> However, any person who provides Aborigines with
>> >> alcohol should be
>> >> charged with a criminal offence. That is my
>> >> considered opinion.
>>
>> >> In 1967 I had the opportunity of spending three
>> >> weeks at the Yarrabah
>> >> Anglican Mission outside Cairns.
>>
>> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah
>> >> gives information of that site.
>>
>> > A lot like many such camps to gather native
>> > peoples
>> > and then kill them
>> > off , as happened on Flinders Island and a
>> > thousand
>> > others like it all
>> > around the world
>>
>> >> When the Mission was taken over by the
>> >> government
>> >> activists demanded
>> >> that a hotel be erected.
>> >> Subsequently there was the highest youth suicide
>> >> in
>> >> Queensland at that
>> >> site.
>> >> My first information about that was in a Sydney
>> >> Morning Herald article
>> >> - date possibly about 2004.
>>
>> > Its no accident GS
>>
>> > It happened EVERY WHERE for hundreds of years all
>> > around the world
>>
>> > It was NO accident
>>
>> > It was planned GENOCIDE
>>
> .
> .
>> Rubbish.
>> If the aboriginals had all walked off their land to
>> parts of Australia that whites didn't want they
>> would
>> have been left alone.
>> The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were in
>> the way, it's that simple.
>
> Thats GREAT mate
>
> I will tell the Indonesians that
>
>
> And you can start packing
>
> If might makes right the poor silly white aussies
> sure are temporary
> residents
>
> kanga
> =====

Don't get your balls in a knot Kanga, I'm just
simplifying matters is all.
It wasn't planned genocide as you said.
It wan't even planned at all, but when colonialists
with superior technology find an obstacle in their way
they eliminate that obstacle by whatever means is at
their disposal.
This has been shown time and again throughout history,
and on that score Australia is no different to
anywhere else.
This doesn't make it morally right of course, it's
just the bald facts of what happened.

[Ext User(swa@ozemail.com.au)]

On Jan 12, 4:51*pm, "Swampfox" <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:

<snip>
>
> Don't get your balls in a knot Kanga, I'm just
> simplifying matters is all.
> It wasn't planned genocide as you said.
> It wan't even planned at all, but when colonialists
> with superior technology find an obstacle in their way
> they eliminate that obstacle by whatever means is at
> their disposal.
> This has been shown time and again throughout history,
> and on that score Australia is no different to
> anywhere else.
> This doesn't make it morally right of course, it's
> just the bald facts of what happened.-

The fact is that Captain Arthur Phillip was chosen to lead the First
Fleet to Australia in 1787 he was given orders to help the Aborigines.
I believe that he did that to the best of his ability and
opportunities.
He could not supervise and control the actions of every 'Tom, Dick and
Harry' and even every 'Mary, Sue and Jenny' in every part as those in
the first settlement started to spead out westeward, northward and
southward.

And remember, not all Aborigines were peaceful towards the new
settlers.

Also remember, at that time that there were about 300 000 Aborigines
scattered in their tribal groups all over Australia.
Now the country has a population of about 20 million living better
than either the First Fleeters or the Aborigines in 1788.

When Governments give aid to the Aborigines it is good for everyone to
remember that Christians were doing it first and from their own
limited resources in comparison to the taxes that politicians have.

Gladys Swager

[Ext User(lynx)]

Swampfox wrote:

> "kangarooistan" <peramangk@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ad6cc970-1e67-467b-93b5-01e74a5a15cd@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "s...@ozemail.com.au"
>> <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jan 11, 10:21 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> lynx wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Theo Bekkers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not true, we gave them alcohol and syphilis.
>>>>>> In the
>>>>>> first five years of white inhabitation, some
>>>>>> 90% of
>>>>>> the aboriginals in the Sydney area succumbed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> disease.
>>>>>>
>> .
>>
>>> The white Engliah/European migrants who came to
>>> this country had
>>> generations of alcohol use behind them and were
>>> more bio-chenically
>>> adapted to it.
>>> They were not to know the Aborigines could not
>>> easily adapt to the use
>>> of alcohol.
>>> The problems of alcohol abuse are still within our
>>> own population
>>> today.
>>>
>> Indeed its seems the harmfull effects of alcohol has
>> been hard on all
>> peoples , but especially native peoples who have not
>> had thousands of
>> years to adapt , I suspect the most vulnerable white
>> people died out
>> long ago and a self selection of Alcohol tolerance
>> has developed in
>> many white people
>>
>> Its very very likely similar to genetic tolerance we
>> see in many
>> different places , brown people better tolerate
>> maleris and S E Asians
>> better digest carbohydrates I think , and brown
>> skin does better in
>> hot areas and white skin does better in very cold
>> places
>>
>> Aboriginal peoples should avoid alcohol IMHO or
>> suffer the problems
>> that come from it
>>
>> I suspect alcohol has been used as a weapon in many
>> conflicts , it was
>> given to Native Americans to weaken them
>>
>>> However, any person who provides Aborigines with
>>> alcohol should be
>>> charged with a criminal offence. That is my
>>> considered opinion.
>>>
>>> In 1967 I had the opportunity of spending three
>>> weeks at the Yarrabah
>>> Anglican Mission outside Cairns.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah
>>> gives information of that site.
>>>
>> A lot like many such camps to gather native peoples
>> and then kill them
>> off , as happened on Flinders Island and a thousand
>> others like it all
>> around the world
>>
>>> When the Mission was taken over by the government
>>> activists demanded
>>> that a hotel be erected.
>>> Subsequently there was the highest youth suicide in
>>> Queensland at that
>>> site.
>>> My first information about that was in a Sydney
>>> Morning Herald article
>>> - date possibly about 2004.
>>>
>> Its no accident GS
>>
>>
>> It happened EVERY WHERE for hundreds of years all
>> around the world
>>
>> It was NO accident
>>
>> It was planned GENOCIDE
>>
>
> Rubbish.
>

Isn't everything he writes? (that's a rhetorical question btw)

> If the aboriginals had all walked off their land to
> parts of Australia that whites didn't want they would
> have been left alone.
> The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were in
> the way, it's that simple.
>

Plus the little matter of the fact that the abbos were killing them.

> <snip>
>
>

I hope it didn't hurt!


--

rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/
'Go ahead, make my day.. leave!'

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"swa@ozemail.com.au" <swager@ozemail.com.au> wrote in
message
news:4e1dd52f-9bdb-4108-b1de-acf73a749920@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 12, 4:51 pm, "Swampfox" <noidea@whocaresanyway>
wrote:

<snip>
>
> Don't get your balls in a knot Kanga, I'm just
> simplifying matters is all.
> It wasn't planned genocide as you said.
> It wan't even planned at all, but when colonialists
> with superior technology find an obstacle in their
> way
> they eliminate that obstacle by whatever means is at
> their disposal.
> This has been shown time and again throughout
> history,
> and on that score Australia is no different to
> anywhere else.
> This doesn't make it morally right of course, it's
> just the bald facts of what happened.-

The fact is that Captain Arthur Phillip was chosen to
lead the First
Fleet to Australia in 1787 he was given orders to help
the Aborigines.
I believe that he did that to the best of his ability
and
opportunities.
He could not supervise and control the actions of
every 'Tom, Dick and
Harry' and even every 'Mary, Sue and Jenny' in every
part as those in
the first settlement started to spead out westeward,
northward and
southward.

And remember, not all Aborigines were peaceful towards
the new
settlers.

Also remember, at that time that there were about 300
000 Aborigines
scattered in their tribal groups all over Australia.
Now the country has a population of about 20 million
living better
than either the First Fleeters or the Aborigines in
1788.

When Governments give aid to the Aborigines it is good
for everyone to
remember that Christians were doing it first and from
their own
limited resources in comparison to the taxes that
politicians have.

Gladys Swager





Praise the Lord Gladys, praise the Lord!

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:4bZhj.2310$421.2081@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Swampfox wrote:
>
>> "kangarooistan" <peramangk@gmail.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:ad6cc970-1e67-467b-93b5-01e74a5a15cd@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "s...@ozemail.com.au"
>>> <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jan 11, 10:21 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lynx wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Theo Bekkers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not true, we gave them alcohol and syphilis.
>>>>>>> In the
>>>>>>> first five years of white inhabitation, some
>>>>>>> 90% of
>>>>>>> the aboriginals in the Sydney area succumbed
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> disease.
>>>>>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>> The white Engliah/European migrants who came to
>>>> this country had
>>>> generations of alcohol use behind them and were
>>>> more bio-chenically
>>>> adapted to it.
>>>> They were not to know the Aborigines could not
>>>> easily adapt to the use
>>>> of alcohol.
>>>> The problems of alcohol abuse are still within
>>>> our own population
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>> Indeed its seems the harmfull effects of alcohol
>>> has been hard on all
>>> peoples , but especially native peoples who have
>>> not had thousands of
>>> years to adapt , I suspect the most vulnerable
>>> white people died out
>>> long ago and a self selection of Alcohol tolerance
>>> has developed in
>>> many white people
>>>
>>> Its very very likely similar to genetic tolerance
>>> we see in many
>>> different places , brown people better tolerate
>>> maleris and S E Asians
>>> better digest carbohydrates I think , and brown
>>> skin does better in
>>> hot areas and white skin does better in very cold
>>> places
>>>
>>> Aboriginal peoples should avoid alcohol IMHO or
>>> suffer the problems
>>> that come from it
>>>
>>> I suspect alcohol has been used as a weapon in
>>> many conflicts , it was
>>> given to Native Americans to weaken them
>>>
>>>> However, any person who provides Aborigines with
>>>> alcohol should be
>>>> charged with a criminal offence. That is my
>>>> considered opinion.
>>>>
>>>> In 1967 I had the opportunity of spending three
>>>> weeks at the Yarrabah
>>>> Anglican Mission outside Cairns.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah
>>>> gives information of that site.
>>>>
>>> A lot like many such camps to gather native
>>> peoples and then kill them
>>> off , as happened on Flinders Island and a
>>> thousand others like it all
>>> around the world
>>>
>>>> When the Mission was taken over by the government
>>>> activists demanded
>>>> that a hotel be erected.
>>>> Subsequently there was the highest youth suicide
>>>> in Queensland at that
>>>> site.
>>>> My first information about that was in a Sydney
>>>> Morning Herald article
>>>> - date possibly about 2004.
>>>>
>>> Its no accident GS
>>>
>>>
>>> It happened EVERY WHERE for hundreds of years all
>>> around the world
>>>
>>> It was NO accident
>>>
>>> It was planned GENOCIDE
>>>
>>
>> Rubbish.
>>
>
> Isn't everything he writes? (that's a rhetorical
> question btw)
>
>> If the aboriginals had all walked off their land to
>> parts of Australia that whites didn't want they
>> would have been left alone.
>> The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were in
>> the way, it's that simple.
>>
>
> Plus the little matter of the fact that the abbos
> were killing them.

I was being polite by saying they were in the way, and
of course they were killing whites, just as you would
if someone wanted to take your breath away.
I have no real problem with it, being one of the
beneficiaries, but it wouldn't hurt to say sorry and
maybe give them something in return for what we stole.
It's that or we are just common thieves, and always
will be.

>
>> <snip>
>>
>
> I hope it didn't hurt!
>
>
> --
>
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> =====
> http://pw352.blogspot.com/
> 'Go ahead, make my day.. leave!'
>
>

[Ext User(lynx)]

Swampfox wrote:

> "lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:4bZhj.2310$421.2081@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>> Swampfox wrote
>>> If the aboriginals had all walked off their land to
>>> parts of Australia that whites didn't want they
>>> would have been left alone.
>>> The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were in
>>> the way, it's that simple.
>>>
>> Plus the little matter of the fact that the abbos
>> were killing them.
>>
>
> I was being polite by saying they were in the way, and
> of course they were killing whites, just as you would
> if someone wanted to take your breath away.
> I have no real problem with it, being one of the
> beneficiaries, but it wouldn't hurt to say sorry and
> maybe give them something in return for what we stole.
>

Yes, but there's the problem right there... give THEM something WE
stole. By 'them' of course you mean the aboriginal people, and by 'we'
white Australians. But the 'them' and 'we' of today are not those who
were involved. So that being the case then, it should be the British
govt doing the apologizing and compensating, since it was the Brits who
'stole' this land. But the history of the world is one of conquest, and
that's not really a matter of theft. Who has a 'right' to the land they
occupy? With todays laws and clearly defined territories it's easy to
answer, but in the realities of the past it was just that superior
civilizations were supplanting inferior ones by aggressive means. Do you
want Spain to apologise to Mexico and compensate the Mexicans? Should
every nation be apologizing and compensating those who were affected by
what transpired in their nations history? And how far back do we go? If
you do then we can start with Japan and Germany for more recent times.
I'd say the amount of apologising and compensating they'd need to do
would keep them busy for a very long time.

> It's that or we are just common thieves, and always
> will be.
>
>
>


--

rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com/
'Hell was full, so I came back!'

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:QJ9ij.2429$421.48@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Swampfox wrote:
>
>> "lynx" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message
>> news:4bZhj.2310$421.2081@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>> Swampfox wrote
>>>> If the aboriginals had all walked off their land
>>>> to parts of Australia that whites didn't want
>>>> they would have been left alone.
>>>> The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were
>>>> in the way, it's that simple.
>>>>
>>> Plus the little matter of the fact that the abbos
>>> were killing them.
>>>
>>
>> I was being polite by saying they were in the way,
>> and of course they were killing whites, just as you
>> would if someone wanted to take your breath away.
>> I have no real problem with it, being one of the
>> beneficiaries, but it wouldn't hurt to say sorry
>> and maybe give them something in return for what we
>> stole.
>>
>
> Yes, but there's the problem right there... give
> THEM something WE stole. By 'them' of course you
> mean the aboriginal people, and by 'we' white
> Australians. But the 'them' and 'we' of today are
> not those who were involved. So that being the case
> then, it should be the British govt doing the
> apologizing and compensating, since it was the Brits
> who 'stole' this land. But the history of the world
> is one of conquest, and that's not really a matter
> of theft. Who has a 'right' to the land they occupy?
> With todays laws and clearly defined territories
> it's easy to answer, but in the realities of the
> past it was just that superior civilizations were
> supplanting inferior ones by aggressive means. Do
> you want Spain to apologise to Mexico and compensate
> the Mexicans? Should every nation be apologizing and
> compensating those who were affected by what
> transpired in their nations history? And how far
> back do we go? If you do then we can start with
> Japan and Germany for more recent times. I'd say the
> amount of apologising and compensating they'd need
> to do would keep them busy for a very long time.

Maybe so, but ethically and morally there's no
alternative, and other countries aren't our concern.
Whether it's financial compensation or a simple
recognition of the wrongs committed isn't for me to
say but until we do what's honourable we will remain,
as I said, as common thieves.


>
>> It's that or we are just common thieves, and always
>> will be.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> rgds,
>
> Pete
> =====
> http://pw352.blogspot.com/
> 'Hell was full, so I came back!'
>
>

[Ext User(kangarooistan)]

On Jan 12, 3:51 pm, "Swampfox" <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:
> "kangarooistan" <perama...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b856dab5-2b32-42c7-b656-93791ec16afd@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 2:24 pm, "Swampfox"
> > <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:
> >> "kangarooistan" <perama...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> message
>
> >>news:ad6cc970-1e67-467b-93b5-01e74a5a15cd@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "s...@ozemail.com.au"
> >> > <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> On Jan 11, 10:21 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>
> >> >> > lynx wrote:
> >> >> > > Theo Bekkers wrote:
> >> >> > >> Not true, we gave them alcohol and
> >> >> > >> syphilis.
> >> >> > >> In the
> >> >> > >> first five years of white inhabitation,
> >> >> > >> some
> >> >> > >> 90% of
> >> >> > >> the aboriginals in the Sydney area
> >> >> > >> succumbed
> >> >> > >> to
> >> >> > >> disease.
>
> >> > .
> >> >> The white Engliah/European migrants who came to
> >> >> this country had
> >> >> generations of alcohol use behind them and were
> >> >> more bio-chenically
> >> >> adapted to it.
> >> >> They were not to know the Aborigines could not
> >> >> easily adapt to the use
> >> >> of alcohol.
> >> >> The problems of alcohol abuse are still within
> >> >> our
> >> >> own population
> >> >> today.
> >> > Indeed its seems the harmfull effects of alcohol
> >> > has
> >> > been hard on all
> >> > peoples , but especially native peoples who have
> >> > not
> >> > had thousands of
> >> > years to adapt , I suspect the most vulnerable
> >> > white
> >> > people died out
> >> > long ago and a self selection of Alcohol
> >> > tolerance
> >> > has developed in
> >> > many white people
>
> >> > Its very very likely similar to genetic tolerance
> >> > we
> >> > see in many
> >> > different places , brown people better tolerate
> >> > maleris and S E Asians
> >> > better digest carbohydrates I think , and brown
> >> > skin does better in
> >> > hot areas and white skin does better in very cold
> >> > places
>
> >> > Aboriginal peoples should avoid alcohol IMHO or
> >> > suffer the problems
> >> > that come from it
>
> >> > I suspect alcohol has been used as a weapon in
> >> > many
> >> > conflicts , it was
> >> > given to Native Americans to weaken them
>
> >> >> However, any person who provides Aborigines with
> >> >> alcohol should be
> >> >> charged with a criminal offence. That is my
> >> >> considered opinion.
>
> >> >> In 1967 I had the opportunity of spending three
> >> >> weeks at the Yarrabah
> >> >> Anglican Mission outside Cairns.
>
> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah
> >> >> gives information of that site.
>
> >> > A lot like many such camps to gather native
> >> > peoples
> >> > and then kill them
> >> > off , as happened on Flinders Island and a
> >> > thousand
> >> > others like it all
> >> > around the world
>
> >> >> When the Mission was taken over by the
> >> >> government
> >> >> activists demanded
> >> >> that a hotel be erected.
> >> >> Subsequently there was the highest youth suicide
> >> >> in
> >> >> Queensland at that
> >> >> site.
> >> >> My first information about that was in a Sydney
> >> >> Morning Herald article
> >> >> - date possibly about 2004.
>
> >> > Its no accident GS
>
> >> > It happened EVERY WHERE for hundreds of years all
> >> > around the world
>
> >> > It was NO accident
>
> >> > It was planned GENOCIDE
>
> > .
> > .
> >> Rubbish.
> >> If the aboriginals had all walked off their land to
> >> parts of Australia that whites didn't want they
> >> would
> >> have been left alone.
> >> The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were in
> >> the way, it's that simple.
>
> > Thats GREAT mate
>
> > I will tell the Indonesians that
>
> > And you can start packing
>
> > If might makes right the poor silly white aussies
> > sure are temporary
> > residents
>
> > kanga
> > =====
>
> Don't get your balls in a knot Kanga, I'm just
> simplifying matters is all.
> It wasn't planned genocide as you said.
> It wan't even planned at all, but when colonialists
> with superior technology find an obstacle in their way
> they eliminate that obstacle by whatever means is at
> their disposal.
> This has been shown time and again throughout history,
> and on that score Australia is no different to
> anywhere else.
> This doesn't make it morally right of course, it's
> just the bald facts of what happened.

sorry swampy

i did jump too quick

You are sort of right mate

It may not have been planned , but it sure looks that way

The exact same modus operand all around the world

No native people started off hating white people , but after seeing
them in action , its not surprising to assume white people are evil

i see poor GS , seems to think caring for them as they are killed off
slowly removes guilt

GS is going to take time for her to admit she was used

Its like a person who kidnaps a victim and holds them captive for
years , claiming that feeding the captive and supplying blankets
removes guilt

Naturally GS and even Robinson on Flinders Island thought they were
actually helping , and they almost certainly did what they could

BUT the over all policy and guilt lay with the white christian
capitalist ruling elites , who did indeed have a plan to steal as much
as possible , and STILL DO

Thank god THE MUSLIMS WILL END THEIR MURDEROUS PLANS ONCE AND FOR ALL
TIME

Of some interest is the recent DNA studies on human population
movements

DNA from thousands of years ago can now trace Human movements

AND changes in human population

There is evidence that indeed the arrival of christianity is a fatal
disease like no other

The arrival of Islam has NIL effect on DNA

GENOCIDE ??

Is a christian disorder

kanga
=====

[Ext User(Swampfox)]

"kangarooistan" <grandpa@kangarooistan.com.au> wrote
in message
news:b477965b-bfc7-410a-822f-312afd1586de@s27g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 12, 3:51 pm, "Swampfox"
> <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:
>> "kangarooistan" <perama...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> message
>>
>> news:b856dab5-2b32-42c7-b656-93791ec16afd@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 12, 2:24 pm, "Swampfox"
>> > <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:
>> >> "kangarooistan" <perama...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>>
>> >>news:ad6cc970-1e67-467b-93b5-01e74a5a15cd@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Jan 12, 11:37 am, "s...@ozemail.com.au"
>> >> > <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> On Jan 11, 10:21 am, "Theo Bekkers" wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > lynx wrote:
>> >> >> > > Theo Bekkers wrote:
>> >> >> > >> Not true, we gave them alcohol and
>> >> >> > >> syphilis.
>> >> >> > >> In the
>> >> >> > >> first five years of white inhabitation,
>> >> >> > >> some
>> >> >> > >> 90% of
>> >> >> > >> the aboriginals in the Sydney area
>> >> >> > >> succumbed
>> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> > >> disease.
>>
>> >> > .
>> >> >> The white Engliah/European migrants who came
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> this country had
>> >> >> generations of alcohol use behind them and
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> more bio-chenically
>> >> >> adapted to it.
>> >> >> They were not to know the Aborigines could
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> easily adapt to the use
>> >> >> of alcohol.
>> >> >> The problems of alcohol abuse are still
>> >> >> within
>> >> >> our
>> >> >> own population
>> >> >> today.
>> >> > Indeed its seems the harmfull effects of
>> >> > alcohol
>> >> > has
>> >> > been hard on all
>> >> > peoples , but especially native peoples who
>> >> > have
>> >> > not
>> >> > had thousands of
>> >> > years to adapt , I suspect the most vulnerable
>> >> > white
>> >> > people died out
>> >> > long ago and a self selection of Alcohol
>> >> > tolerance
>> >> > has developed in
>> >> > many white people
>>
>> >> > Its very very likely similar to genetic
>> >> > tolerance
>> >> > we
>> >> > see in many
>> >> > different places , brown people better
>> >> > tolerate
>> >> > maleris and S E Asians
>> >> > better digest carbohydrates I think , and
>> >> > brown
>> >> > skin does better in
>> >> > hot areas and white skin does better in very
>> >> > cold
>> >> > places
>>
>> >> > Aboriginal peoples should avoid alcohol IMHO
>> >> > or
>> >> > suffer the problems
>> >> > that come from it
>>
>> >> > I suspect alcohol has been used as a weapon in
>> >> > many
>> >> > conflicts , it was
>> >> > given to Native Americans to weaken them
>>
>> >> >> However, any person who provides Aborigines
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> alcohol should be
>> >> >> charged with a criminal offence. That is my
>> >> >> considered opinion.
>>
>> >> >> In 1967 I had the opportunity of spending
>> >> >> three
>> >> >> weeks at the Yarrabah
>> >> >> Anglican Mission outside Cairns.
>>
>> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarrabah
>> >> >> gives information of that site.
>>
>> >> > A lot like many such camps to gather native
>> >> > peoples
>> >> > and then kill them
>> >> > off , as happened on Flinders Island and a
>> >> > thousand
>> >> > others like it all
>> >> > around the world
>>
>> >> >> When the Mission was taken over by the
>> >> >> government
>> >> >> activists demanded
>> >> >> that a hotel be erected.
>> >> >> Subsequently there was the highest youth
>> >> >> suicide
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> Queensland at that
>> >> >> site.
>> >> >> My first information about that was in a
>> >> >> Sydney
>> >> >> Morning Herald article
>> >> >> - date possibly about 2004.
>>
>> >> > Its no accident GS
>>
>> >> > It happened EVERY WHERE for hundreds of years
>> >> > all
>> >> > around the world
>>
>> >> > It was NO accident
>>
>> >> > It was planned GENOCIDE
>>
>> > .
>> > .
>> >> Rubbish.
>> >> If the aboriginals had all walked off their land
>> >> to
>> >> parts of Australia that whites didn't want they
>> >> would
>> >> have been left alone.
>> >> The whites wanted the land, the aboriginals were
>> >> in
>> >> the way, it's that simple.
>>
>> > Thats GREAT mate
>>
>> > I will tell the Indonesians that
>>
>> > And you can start packing
>>
>> > If might makes right the poor silly white aussies
>> > sure are temporary
>> > residents
>>
>> > kanga
>> > =====
>>
>> Don't get your balls in a knot Kanga, I'm just
>> simplifying matters is all.
>> It wasn't planned genocide as you said.
>> It wan't even planned at all, but when colonialists
>> with superior technology find an obstacle in their
>> way
>> they eliminate that obstacle by whatever means is
>> at
>> their disposal.
>> This has been shown time and again throughout
>> history,
>> and on that score Australia is no different to
>> anywhere else.
>> This doesn't make it morally right of course, it's
>> just the bald facts of what happened.
>
> sorry swampy
>
> i did jump too quick
>
> You are sort of right mate
>
> It may not have been planned , but it sure looks
> that way
>
> The exact same modus operand all around the world
>
> No native people started off hating white people ,
> but after seeing
> them in action , its not surprising to assume white
> people are evil
>
> i see poor GS , seems to think caring for them as
> they are killed off
> slowly removes guilt
>
> GS is going to take time for her to admit she was
> used
>
> Its like a person who kidnaps a victim and holds
> them captive for
> years , claiming that feeding the captive and
> supplying blankets
> removes guilt
>
> Naturally GS and even Robinson on Flinders Island
> thought they were
> actually helping , and they almost certainly did
> what they could
>
> BUT the over all policy and guilt lay with the white
> christian
> capitalist ruling elites , who did indeed have a
> plan to steal as much
> as possible , and STILL DO
>
> Thank god THE MUSLIMS WILL END THEIR MURDEROUS PLANS
> ONCE AND FOR ALL
> TIME
>
> Of some interest is the recent DNA studies on human
> population
> movements
>
> DNA from thousands of years ago can now trace Human
> movements
>
> AND changes in human population
>
> There is evidence that indeed the arrival of
> christianity is a fatal
> disease like no other
>
> The arrival of Islam has NIL effect on DNA
>
> GENOCIDE ??
>
> Is a christian disorder
>
> kanga
> =====

We've been down this road before Kanga.
Genocide isn't peculiar to Christianity although
Christians have certainly been the most prolific
exponents of the art.
As for Robinson he was extremely well paid for his
endeavours in Tasmania and when he'd completed his
task he retired in comfort to the old country, so I
remain unconvinced as to the purity of his motives.