Re: Ping Simon Templar - Prepaid Wireless Data

[Ext User(Michael)]

>> Fuck those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the
>> true
>> cost of their services.
>
> You're not a very nice person, are you?

Like it or lump it.

> If Telstra can make a regular annual profit that goes into billions, then
> it's safe to assume that everyone who has a service of any kind with
> Telstra is paying the "true cost" and then some.

You missed the point, whoosh-head.

Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line rental for
country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same revenue base.

Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years
ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is 22c now,
compared to 25c years ago.
>
>

[Ext User(Polly the Parrot)]

On Sat, 10 May 2008 03:36:37 GMT "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten
> years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is
> 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.

Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Polly the Parrot" <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:20080510142310.207207ff@dhcppc1...
> On Sat, 10 May 2008 03:36:37 GMT "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten
>> years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is
>> 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.
>
> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?

Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote
> Polly the Parrot <flatulantdingo@deadspam.com> wrote
>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years ago. Line rental went up, and calls went
>>> down. A local call is 22c now, compared to 25c years ago.

>> Competition wouldn't have been the cause by any chance?

> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????

Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.

[Ext User(Michael)]

>>>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to
>>>> go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping from 25 to 22c, over 7-10
>>>> years
>
>>> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the
>>> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
>
>> See above
>
> Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant
> shit, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
>
>>>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved
>
>>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>
>> Mine hasnt moved.
>
> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
> irrelevant.
>
>> Has yours?
>
> Yep, and so has plenty of others' too.

From what to what?

Has it moved more than CPI? Which was the context of the whole post, clearly
11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in
excess of CPI, as the price has gone backwards
>
>
>

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>> Cost rebalancing (approved by the ACCC) is what cuased line rental to go from 11.65 to 30, with calls dropping
>>>>> from 25 to 22c, over 7-10 years

>>>> Irrelevant to whether there was any real competition on the
>>>> line rent, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child.

>>> See above

>> Completely useless, as always with your pig ignorant
>> shit, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child.

>>>>> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved

>>>> Another pig ignorant lie.

>>> Mine hasnt moved.

>> You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

>>> Has yours?

>> Yep, and so has plenty of others' too.

> From what to what?

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim.

> Has it moved more than CPI?

The CPI is completely irrelevant, telecoms cost DROP over
time, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child.

> Which was the context of the whole post,

Pigs arse it was, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child.

> clearly 11.65 to 30.00 is in EXCESS of CPI

Yep, and a complete fucking ripoff, only possible because there is fuck all
competition with local lines, so telstra chose to gouge as aggressively as they
could where they had no real competition and couldnt do that with the call charges
where they had real competition ever since their monopoly was ripped away.

> and 25c DOWNCARDS to 22c is clearly in excess of CPI, as the price has gone backwards

ALL telecoms costs do, you stupid pig ignorant dunny cleaning fuckwit child.

[Ext User(Snapper)]

Missed this.

Michael wrote...

> >> Fuck those "poor bastards". If anything, they need to start paying the
> >> true
> >> cost of their services.
> >
> > You're not a very nice person, are you?
>
> Like it or lump it.

Sorry. I'll rephrase it.

You're a dead cunt. How does that sound? Better, more accurate a description,
perhaps?

> > If Telstra can make a regular annual profit that goes into billions, then
> > it's safe to assume that everyone who has a service of any kind with
> > Telstra is paying the "true cost" and then some.
>
> You missed the point, whoosh-head.

Whoosh-head?

Don't tell me. Speed has come up with a new insult and you're grabbing and
running with it.

> Line rental for urban customers should be DROPPED, whilst line rental for
> country bumpkins should be RAISED, to achieve the same revenue base.

Yep, way to go, drongo. Make it even more difficult for rural Australia. And
dickwads like you wonder why the cost of essentials continues to rise unabated.

> Exactly what happened with $11.65 line rental and 25c local calls ten years
> ago. Line rental went up, and calls went down. A local call is 22c now,
> compared to 25c years ago.

Wow, 3 cents price drop for calls. While we see line rentals treble in cost,
meanwhile, the level of service, or its quality continues to deteriorate. Just
ask anyone in parts of Sydney, particularly during the wet season, who'd love
the idea of a regular dial tone, let alone one that can be heard over the
static...

When a relatively pissy company like Telstra can make regular multi-billion
dollar profits then something is clearly wrong. All that money for what? A
service that is hardly world class. Well, third world class, perhaps...

[Ext User(Snapper)]

Michael wrote...

> > Nope, the lack of competition is what did that.
>
> We've had heaps of competition in line rental over the years.

Oh? Who else can provide copper to the residence? Aside from pockets of inner
and some outer urban areas of Melbourne and Sydney where Optus may run its cable
services, there is no 'competition'. Telstra owns the lot, lock stock and
barrel. And this is something that it inherited from its statutory monopoly
days.

Imagine what we could have had if the PMG/Telecom/Telstra didn't have the game
sewn up from the get go.

> In the last 2 years or so, line rental hasnt moved

And neither should it.

[Ext User(Snapper)]

Michael wrote...

> Competition changed line rental for $11.65 to $30 in about 7-10 years????

thing is, there is no real competition in the line rental market, is there? You
get your bundled services through the likes of Optus or iPrimus and they'll
charge you the max of $30 or whatever it is today.

Or you can go through Telstra and either pay the same line rental and get not as
expensive phone calls, or pay the budget rate of around $20/mth and pay heaps
more for calls.

Whichever way you look at it, Telstra's nett revenue is still way up and it
continues to make huge profits while at the same time delivering an average
service, particularly in the area of data communications.