Spam

[Ext User(J. Veil)]

Have I been leading a sheltered live?
Have had a mobile now for four years and until the last few weeks NEVER had
any spam.
All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to sell
me a different provider and a recorded message insisting on the virtues of
gambling.

Is mobile spamming new?
Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest?

Interested to hear your opinions,

John

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

J. Veil <spamkiller@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Have I been leading a sheltered live?

Yes. Life anyway.

> Have had a mobile now for four years

Nothing like 'living' on the bleeding edge technology wise.

> and until the last few weeks NEVER had any spam.

I've never ever had any, and I've had mobiles for a hell of a lot longer than 4 years.

> All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to sell me a different provider and a recorded
> message insisting on the virtues of gambling.

> Is mobile spamming new?

Nope. Just less common because it costs spammers more.

> Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest?

Nope. Not unless you have signed up for the do not call register and the
operations that call anyway are local as opposed to outside the country.

> Interested to hear your opinions,

I never ever have any of those. They're like arseholes.

[Ext User(Kwyjibo)]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6b10kaF39mv4pU1@mid.individual.net...
> J. Veil <spamkiller@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Have I been leading a sheltered live?
>
> Yes. Life anyway.
>
>> Have had a mobile now for four years
>
> Nothing like 'living' on the bleeding edge technology wise.
>
>> and until the last few weeks NEVER had any spam.
>
> I've never ever had any, and I've had mobiles for a hell of a lot longer
> than 4 years.

That's cos you're on the Pov register. No point trying to sell stuff to
people who have no money.

>> All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to
>> sell me a different provider and a recorded message insisting on the
>> virtues of gambling.
>
>> Is mobile spamming new?
>
> Nope. Just less common because it costs spammers more.

Though some overseas based VoIP operations are making it a lot more viable.

>
>> Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest?
>
> Nope. Not unless you have signed up for the do not call register and the
> operations that call anyway are local as opposed to outside the country.
>
>> Interested to hear your opinions,
>
> I never ever have any of those.

LOL.

> They're like arseholes.

In your case - definitely. (full of shit)

--
Kwyj.

[Ext User(Bob Bain)]

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:05:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Interested to hear your opinions,

>I never ever have any of those. They're like arseholes.

I believe you've had lot's of these over the years

(opinions that is).

You are no doubt aware that this is National E-Security Awareness
week as announced by Senator Conroy...


http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2008/minister_launches_national_e-security_awareness_week

http://www.staysmartonline.gov.au/

Articles around such as the one here:-

http://www.smartofficenews.com.au/Technology/Internet/C6S4B4F3

The Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy,
Senator Stephen Conroy, has turned himself into an online superhero in
a bid to kill off spam, malware, hacking and other online abuse.

Partnering with major Australian and international companies, peak
bodies and community groups, the federal government has launched
National E-security Awareness Week, with the aim being to highlight
the simple steps Australians should take to stay smart online.

==============================

You're not in the Queen's Birthday honours Rod.

Your contribution to cyberspace hasn't been acknowledged.

John Howard made it !

[Ext User(J. Veil)]

"Snapper" wrote >
> It seems that about all you can do is to prevent the likes of what
> happened to
> me last week when I got an unsolicited call and a pre-recorded message
> telling
> me how I "won" a "free" trial for a trivial pursuit SMS game.
>
> I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances will I
> be
> responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone bills.
> The
> guy them placed a bar on our phones receiving "premium" SMSes.
>
> As for receiving normal ones that are adverts, well, I dunno what you can
> do
> about that, other than to perhaps get a new phone number and don't give it
> out
> to anyone other than trusted family and friends.
>
> I've given up on releasing this info when signing up for stuff. In fact,
> when a
> shop that I buy something from asks me for personal details I decline.
> Some say
> it's store "policy" to take your details. I say to them that it's my
> policy not
> to. All they require from me is the wherewithall to conclude the
> transaction
> (money). And all I require from them is the product that I'm purchasing
> and a
> tax invoice.
>
> If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product
> from
> somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your choice.
>
> Sometimes they get narky, sometimes they don't.
=================================================

Thank you Snapper, for being the only one replying to my original
question...Very helpfull.

It is truly refreshing to find at least one person on this news group, that
is not moronic and foul mouthed or has the fruitless need to feed same.

Thank you again,

John

[Ext User(Michael)]

"J. Veil" <spamkiller@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:g2fc15$rg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Have I been leading a sheltered live?

Yes

> All of a sudden I got a person to person call from someone wanting to sell
> me a different provider and a recorded message insisting on the virtues of
> gambling.
>
> Is mobile spamming new?

Spam is e-mail. You didn't get spam

> Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest?

Report? To whom? and about what?

Anyone has always been free to call your mobile anytime they like

>
> Interested to hear your opinions,
>
> John

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:lq1p44toovb29tg60vdj434hoo3t1frdi8@yarwho.com ...
> J. Veil wrote...
>
>> Is mobile spamming new?
>> Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest?
>
> It seems that about all you can do is to prevent the likes of what
> happened to
> me last week when I got an unsolicited call and a pre-recorded message
> telling
> me how I "won" a "free" trial for a trivial pursuit SMS game.
>
> I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances will I
> be
> responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone bills.

What does that have to do with Telstra? Its your phone, not theirs

> If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product
> from
> somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your choice.

What a tool

[Ext User(Horry)]

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:44:19 +1000, J. Veil wrote:

> "Snapper" wrote >
>> It seems that about all you can do is to prevent the likes of what
>> happened to
>> me last week when I got an unsolicited call and a pre-recorded message
>> telling
>> me how I "won" a "free" trial for a trivial pursuit SMS game.
>>
>> I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances will
>> I be
>> responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone
>> bills. The
>> guy them placed a bar on our phones receiving "premium" SMSes.
>>
>> As for receiving normal ones that are adverts, well, I dunno what you
>> can do
>> about that, other than to perhaps get a new phone number and don't give
>> it out
>> to anyone other than trusted family and friends.
>>
>> I've given up on releasing this info when signing up for stuff. In fact,
>> when a
>> shop that I buy something from asks me for personal details I decline.
>> Some say
>> it's store "policy" to take your details. I say to them that it's my
>> policy not
>> to. All they require from me is the wherewithall to conclude the
>> transaction
>> (money). And all I require from them is the product that I'm purchasing
>> and a
>> tax invoice.
>>
>> If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product
>> from
>> somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your
>> choice.
>>
>> Sometimes they get narky, sometimes they don't.
> =================================================
>
> Thank you Snapper, for being the only one replying to my original
> question...Very helpfull.
>
> It is truly refreshing to find at least one person on this news group,
> that is not moronic and foul mouthed or has the fruitless need to feed
> same.
>
> Thank you again,

Seconded. I've never consciously noticed it before, but Snapper's
posts ARE truly refreshing.

[Ext User(Horry)]

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:54:36 +0000, Michael wrote:

>
> "Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:lq1p44toovb29tg60vdj434hoo3t1frdi8@yarwho.com ...
>> J. Veil wrote...
>>
>>> Is mobile spamming new?
>>> Can one take worthwhile actions to report this type of pest?
>>
>> It seems that about all you can do is to prevent the likes of what
>> happened to
>> me last week when I got an unsolicited call and a pre-recorded message
>> telling
>> me how I "won" a "free" trial for a trivial pursuit SMS game.
>>
>> I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances will
>> I be
>> responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone
>> bills.
>
> What does that have to do with Telstra? Its your phone, not theirs
>
>> If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product
>> from
>> somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your
>> choice.
>
> What a tool

Agreed. Far either just to give them Micheal J Ellis' details. They
rarely ask for ID unless it's required by law.

[Ext User(Kwyjibo)]

"Horry" <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:g2j2qh$g7j$1@news.datemas.de...

> Agreed. Far either just to give them Micheal J Ellis' details. They
> rarely ask for ID unless it's required by law.
>

Far either? Do you have a lisp?

--
Kwyj.

[Ext User(Horry)]

On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:08:42 +1000, Kwyjibo wrote:

>
> "Horry" <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g2j2qh$g7j$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>> Agreed. Far either just to give them Micheal J Ellis' details. They
>> rarely ask for ID unless it's required by law.
>>
>>
> Far either? Do you have a lisp?

I'm a Southerner.

[Ext User(Snapper)]

Michael wrote...

> > I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances will I
> > be responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone bills.
>
> What does that have to do with Telstra? Its your phone, not theirs

Everything. Telstra is the one that issues the bills. I wanted to make it clear
that if such charges appeared on my bill that I would not be paying them. The
guy accomodated me by placing the bar on the service.

It's called pro-active consumerism.

> > If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product
> > from somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your choice.

> What a tool

Well, fuckwit, do you give all your details out to whoever you buy stuff from?
If so, good luck to you. The rest of us would like to ensure some privacy in
this ever increasingly privacy-less world...

[Ext User(Michael)]

"Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:thtr44drs7j72upd1l9dhca09lqath2hkl@yarwho.com ...
> Michael wrote...
>
>> > I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances
>> > will I
>> > be responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone
>> > bills.
>>
>> What does that have to do with Telstra? Its your phone, not theirs
>
> Everything. Telstra is the one that issues the bills. I wanted to make it
> clear
> that if such charges appeared on my bill that I would not be paying them.
> The
> guy accomodated me by placing the bar on the service.
>
> It's called pro-active consumerism.

No, its called "wank wank wank" You, sir, are a wanker

>> > If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this product
>> > from somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the info. Your
>> > choice.
>
>> What a tool
>
> Well, fuckwit, do you give all your details out to whoever you buy stuff
> from?

Sure, why not? I dont have a tinfoil hat either, are they the latest
fashion?

> If so, good luck to you. The rest of us would like to ensure some privacy
> in
> this ever increasingly privacy-less world...

Stop being a big girls blouse.
>
>

[Ext User(Horry)]

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:48:06 +0000, Michael wrote:

>
> "Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:thtr44drs7j72upd1l9dhca09lqath2hkl@yarwho.com ...
>> Michael wrote...
>>
>>> > I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances
>>> > will I
>>> > be responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone
>>> > bills.
>>>
>>> What does that have to do with Telstra? Its your phone, not theirs
>>
>> Everything. Telstra is the one that issues the bills. I wanted to make
>> it clear
>> that if such charges appeared on my bill that I would not be paying
>> them. The
>> guy accomodated me by placing the bar on the service.
>>
>> It's called pro-active consumerism.
>
> No, its called "wank wank wank" You, sir, are a wanker
>
>>> > If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this
>>> > product from somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the
>>> > info. Your choice.
>>
>>> What a tool
>>
>> Well, fuckwit, do you give all your details out to whoever you buy stuff
>> from?
>
> Sure, why not? I dont have a tinfoil hat either, are they the latest
> fashion?

What's the relevance of tinfoil hats?

He just hates marketing crap, and giving your details out to businesses is
a great way to ensure you receive marketing crap.

[Ext User(Paul Day)]

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:48:06 Michael may have written:
> > Well, fuckwit, do you give all your details out to whoever you buy stuff
> > from?
>
> Sure, why not?

Becuase you might value your privacy?

PD

--
Paul Day

[Ext User(Kwyjibo)]

"Horry" <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:g2pras$p5s$1@news.datemas.de...
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:48:06 +0000, Michael wrote:
>
>>
>> "Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:thtr44drs7j72upd1l9dhca09lqath2hkl@yarwho.com ...
>>> Michael wrote...
>>>
>>>> > I quickly rang Telstra and advised them that under no circumstances
>>>> > will I
>>>> > be responsible for any such costs that may appear on any future phone
>>>> > bills.
>>>>
>>>> What does that have to do with Telstra? Its your phone, not theirs
>>>
>>> Everything. Telstra is the one that issues the bills. I wanted to make
>>> it clear
>>> that if such charges appeared on my bill that I would not be paying
>>> them. The
>>> guy accomodated me by placing the bar on the service.
>>>
>>> It's called pro-active consumerism.
>>
>> No, its called "wank wank wank" You, sir, are a wanker
>>
>>>> > If they insist then I say to them, well, I can go and buy this
>>>> > product from somewhere else or you can conclude the sale without the
>>>> > info. Your choice.
>>>
>>>> What a tool
>>>
>>> Well, fuckwit, do you give all your details out to whoever you buy stuff
>>> from?
>>
>> Sure, why not? I dont have a tinfoil hat either, are they the latest
>> fashion?
>
> What's the relevance of tinfoil hats?

They provide 'splashback' protection for Mr Ellis while he carries out the
duties of his chosen vocation.

--
Kwyj.

[Ext User(Snapper)]

Horry wrote...

> What's the relevance of tinfoil hats?

He's grasping at, well, tinfoil hats...

> He just hates marketing crap, and giving your details out to businesses is
> a great way to ensure you receive marketing crap.

Perazkly.

To top it off we're regularly getting faxes from mobs selling holidays, winery
tours and so on.

I think that I may know the culprit who "onsold" our fax number as it isn't
listed. It's a faxstream duet service with distinctive ring on the home phone
line.

What annoys me is that machine, a Brother MFC, gets used occasionally for
printing, more for scanning and sending faxes. So, most of the ink in the
picolitre sized ink tanks gets wasted on these faxes. And there's no return
number to call them to tell 'em to fuck off, just the advertiser.

If I had THEIR fax number a few solid black pages would be on their way, every
day...

[Ext User(Rod Speed)]

Snapper <snapper1@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote
> Horry wrote

>> What's the relevance of tinfoil hats?

> He's grasping at, well, tinfoil hats...

>> He just hates marketing crap, and giving your details out to
>> businesses is a great way to ensure you receive marketing crap.

> Perazkly.

> To top it off we're regularly getting faxes from mobs selling holidays, winery tours and so on.

> I think that I may know the culprit who "onsold" our fax number as it
> isn't listed. It's a faxstream duet service with distinctive ring on
> the home phone line.

> What annoys me is that machine, a Brother MFC, gets used occasionally
> for printing, more for scanning and sending faxes. So, most of the
> ink in the picolitre sized ink tanks gets wasted on these faxes. And
> there's no return number to call them to tell 'em to fuck off, just
> the advertiser.

> If I had THEIR fax number a few solid black pages would be on their
> way, every day...

Try putting a caller ID displaying phone on the line to see if you can get the number that way.

[Ext User(Snapper)]

Rod Speed wrote...

> The better faxes can reject fax calls that dont present their caller ID,

That would be a handy feature. I have a Brother MFC, but it's the cheaper model,
bought two years ago. Still, I'll check its settings out, though I don't recall
seeing anything like that.

> or just use the PC to receive faxes, so you dont waste ink on the spam.

Another option but that requires a fax modem and a PC to be running all the
time. which I have neither of.

Probably the easiest option is to see if Telstra will change the faxstream
number. Of course whoever gets my number in the reallocation process may be
stuck with fax screeching when a call comes in...

[Ext User(Snapper)]

brian w edginton wrote...

> My "betting voucher" call in Lismore came from an anonymous number.
> Landlord reckons his in Grafton came from an 08 number......???

I've posted the two numbers of the trivial contest and the betting mob here in
other messages. One, I think, was from QLD, the other from NSW.

I now will ignore all incoming calls that originate from out of state as I know
no-one who lives interstate who has my mobile. If it comes via a private caller,
then I need to decide, as I get calls from work that are unlisted numbers.