Punishment by Execution/death

[KatKatKat]

This has probably been spoken about many times on here.Its somthing ive been thinking about lately with the recent news about the bali bombers executions.

Now i can understand punishment being Death, especially when a disgusting crime has been commited. but i cant see how the way some ppl are killed is humane.. Sure whatever they did in the first place would not of been humane. but i just cant get my head around taking ppl out to an islnd , putting things over there heads, and hanging them or shooting them out there.. why not just put them to sleep with an injection, and end it all that way.
Maybe im uptight about this cause i keep imagining something like that happening to me, and how frightened you would be. Of course i would never do anything liek that to recieve such a punishment, and most of the time the killers never feel remorse so perhaps dont go thru that omg im going to die anxious moment.

what are other ppls thoughts on this?

[Randy]

I think its strange that we can condemn someone for killing people, yet be blasé about those people getting killed. Killing people in a bar is abhorrent, but killing people in front of a taunting crowd, that's justice.

Capital punishment always falls down thusly.

If killing people makes you deserving of death, then who kills the killers of the killers?

[KatKatKat]

I think its strange that we can condemn someone for killing people, yet be blasé about those people getting killed. Killing people in a bar is abhorrent, but killing people in front of a taunting crowd, that's justice.

Capital punishment always falls down thusly.

If killing people makes you deserving of death, then who kills the killers of the killers?


for once inmy life i agree with you.

[Leroy Peterson]

for once inmy life i agree with you.

If i had a dollar for everytime ive heard you say that... :rolleyes:

[tashammer]

is death a punishment?

[Randy]

is death a punishment?Well, it sucks as a door prize. ;)

[femme fatale]

It's easy to justify brutality if you can dehumanise the person on the receiving end. That's what the culture of violence instills in it's people. People who can set aside or ignore humanity and impose and apply a death sentence are employing the same measures to allow their actions as those who commit violent crime.

The act of killing is enabled by dehumanising the victim. In order to dehumanise the victim it is ones own humanity that must be ignored or overridden. When the humanity of a society is set aside in such a way to enable the killing of convicted criminals it is a society which is fostering the perfect conditions for breeding people who can commit crimes against humanity. It's a degenerative cycle.

When the situation of a society has gotten so out of hand that they feel the necessity to kill people to keep citizens safe, or for vengeance, or to deter crime, the society should really be looking at the root causes of violent crime and addressing that, rather than adopting such a reactionary measure.

I really think that the health of a society is a product of the way we address its problems, and the way we treat each member.

[*lola*]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings

Just a reminder of how horrible this was, and how innocent people died for nothing. It was so sad to see all the photos of the victims in the papers, and reading about their lives, to be wiped off the face off the Earth with no remorse.
And that laughing assassin....lived on another 6 years, but now, finally, he will learn the value of what life is. If life is cheap over there, then I NEVER want to go there, never have to date, and never have intentions of doing so.
Some of us in my household have the opinion that a firing squad is rough.
No matter what method is used, it will not bring back to the grieving families their loved ones. Maybe it might be some relief for the families to finally see some fitting justice. It just might make them feel better knowing that the killers are not going to be walking around alive much longer.

My question is, why has it taken 6 long years?
This must be an awful time for the victims families as they remember. My heart goes out to them.

[femme fatale]

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No matter what method is used, it will not bring back to the grieving families their loved ones. Maybe it might be some relief for the families to finally see some fitting justice. It just might make them feel better knowing that the killers are not going to be walking around alive much longer.

What will be left for them, of them, after they satisfy their lust for terrible vengeance? They'll still ache over the loss of their loved ones, but they'll be distracted by their own horrific behaviour. They would not have dealt effectively with the death of their loved ones at all, but compounded the grotesqueness of their murders with that of their murderers.

I cannot even remotely imagine that the killing of a person who murdered another person would lead to any lasting sense of justice for that person, or closure, or whatever other benefits death penalty advocates claim there are for the victim's families.

[Randy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Bali_bombings

Just a reminder of how horrible this was, and how innocent people died for nothing. It was so sad to see all the photos of the victims in the papers, and reading about their lives, to be wiped off the face off the Earth with no remorse.
And that laughing assassin....lived on another 6 years, but now, finally, he will learn the value of what life is. If life is cheap over there, then I NEVER want to go there, never have to date, and never have intentions of doing so.
Some of us in my household have the opinion that a firing squad is rough.
No matter what method is used, it will not bring back to the grieving families their loved ones. Maybe it might be some relief for the families to finally see some fitting justice. It just might make them feel better knowing that the killers are not going to be walking around alive much longer.

My question is, why has it taken 6 long years?
This must be an awful time for the victims families as they remember. My heart goes out to them.I hate that line of thinking. Why not just torture them on CCTV and let the families watch. They can even bring in their own rusty saws and kitchen knifes.

Justice is removed from the personal level this kind of thinking denotes. There is a reason that criminal court is separated from other forms of legal implementation. In criminal court, the state tries violators and uses victims as evidence. Other than providing evidence, the victim plays no part in the proceedings. The victim isn't considered in the carrying out of justice.

Justice in the name of bad feelings. That's just abhorrent.

RE the long time. Its a serious charge that requires significant evidence and evaluation. Also add on the inefficient Indonesian justice system and you have yout 6 years.

[Leroy Peterson]

Im sure the 6 years the assassin has lived so far since has been a cakewalk :rolling:

[popeye]

What will be left for them, of them, after they satisfy their lust for terrible vengeance? They'll still ache over the loss of their loved ones, but they'll be distracted by their own horrific behaviour. They would not have dealt effectively with the death of their loved ones at all, but compounded the grotesqueness of their murders with that of their murderers.

I cannot even remotely imagine that the killing of a person who murdered another person would lead to any lasting sense of justice for that person, or closure, or whatever other benefits death penalty advocates claim there are for the victim's families.

I don't think you can even start to know how the bombing victims families are, or would be feeling over the executions without having been in their situation. And even then, each person would feel something different to the next.

[Daddy O]

Our justice system shows more sympathy for criminals than it does victims of criminals, which to me, is a sad situation. Why do we hear so much about the killers and so little about their victims? Why do we worry more about the “cruel and unusual punishment” to be administered to them than we do about the cruel and unusual punishment administered by the killers to their victims?

Retribution and vengeance have long been valid principles of the criminal justice system. If we wish to reduce or eliminate private acts of vengeance and the work of vigilante groups, then citizens must have some assurance that the State will seek retribution on their behalf.

And lastly, capital punishment does in fact serve as a deterrent to crime. Although there is no hard data to prove the deterrence, there is no doubt that the death penalty most definitely serves as a prevention from perpetrating additional future crimes.

As far as the method of execution, I would be in favor of giving them a choice.....just to be sporty about it.


Lethal Injection - Go to sleep and never dream again;

Hanging - worked pretty well for Saddam, but not for one of his co-conspirators who was beheaded because he weighed too much………(I think there were some faulty calculations by the hangman on that one);

Firing Squad - Who could forget the memorable words of Gary Mark Gilmore - "Let's Do It";

Electrocution - my least favorite....something about when your head catches on fire that turns me off;

The Gas Chamber - another bad one. The whole world will know exactly how long you can hold your breath, and how far your eyes will bug out;

Crucification - You actually die slowly of suffocation, so not too bad, as long as someone doesn't put that thorny crap on your head and poke you in the side with a spear....that could ruin a good execution;

Guillotine - Very quick and very effective...a little bloody though, but the Frogs have always enjoyed a little bit of blood. You wouldn't want a front row set on that one;

Burning at the Stake - Another one that wouldn't be one of my favorites. I quit smoking a long time ago.

Garrote - Very slow and painful as the "Man" slowly screws a spike through the back of your neck into your spine, while strangling and paralyzing you at the same time, and

Drawn & Quartered - As much as I like horses................naw.

I think if it were me, I would opt for the firing squad. I always admired the look in a Bull Elk's eyes just before you pull the trigger. It's like they're saying "F**k You".

[Randy]

Our justice system shows more sympathy for criminals than it does victims of criminals, which to me, is a sad situation. Why do we hear so much about the killers and so little about their victims? Why do we worry more about the “cruel and unusual punishment” to be administered to them than we do about the cruel and unusual punishment administered by the killers to their victims?

Retribution and vengeance have long been valid principles of the criminal justice system. If we wish to reduce or eliminate private acts of vengeance and the work of vigilante groups, then citizens must have some assurance that the State will seek retribution on their behalf.

And lastly, capital punishment does in fact serve as a deterrent to crime. Although there is no hard data to prove the deterrence, there is no doubt that the death penalty most definitely serves as a prevention from perpetrating additional future crimes.

As far as the method of execution, I would be in favor of giving them a choice.....just to be sporty about it.


Lethal Injection - Go to sleep and never dream again;

Hanging - worked pretty well for Saddam, but not for one of his co-conspirators who was beheaded because he weighed too much………(I think there were some faulty calculations by the hangman on that one);

Firing Squad - Who could forget the memorable words of Gary Mark Gilmore - "Let's Do It";

Electrocution - my least favorite....something about when your head catches on fire that turns me off;

The Gas Chamber - another bad one. The whole world will know exactly how long you can hold your breath, and how far your eyes will bug out;

Crucification - You actually die slowly of suffocation, so not too bad, as long as someone doesn't put that thorny crap on your head and poke you in the side with a spear....that could ruin a good execution;

Guillotine - Very quick and very effective...a little bloody though, but the Frogs have always enjoyed a little bit of blood. You wouldn't want a front row set on that one;

Burning at the Stake - Another one that wouldn't be one of my favorites. I quit smoking a long time ago.

Garrote - Very slow and painful as the "Man" slowly screws a spike through the back of your neck into your spine, while strangling and paralyzing you at the same time, and

Drawn & Quartered - As much as I like horses................naw.

I think if it were me, I would opt for the firing squad. I always admired the look in a Bull Elk's eyes just before you pull the trigger. It's like they're saying "F**k You".Dude, the forums quota of psychotic american is full. We don't need 2 meandeans.

[Daddy O]

Dude, the forums quota of psychotic american is full. We don't need 2 meandeans.There is an easy solution for you Bubba - it's called the ignore list.

You really suffer from a very bad case of Nation Envy.....similar to penis envy except you're the dick that is in envy of the Americans. It's really quote funny watching you dance around it.

In one breath you criticize Americans for not going to War with you and help you kill your enemies and then immediately turn around and criticize Americans who are in favor of capital punishment. How many different people reside inside that warped mind of yours? Which person are you today?

[KatKatKat]

Our justice system shows more sympathy for criminals than it does victims of criminals, which to me, is a sad situation. Why do we hear so much about the killers and so little about their victims? Why do we worry more about the “cruel and unusual punishment” to be administered to them than we do about the cruel and unusual punishment administered by the killers to their victims?

Retribution and vengeance have long been valid principles of the criminal justice system. If we wish to reduce or eliminate private acts of vengeance and the work of vigilante groups, then citizens must have some assurance that the State will seek retribution on their behalf.

And lastly, capital punishment does in fact serve as a deterrent to crime. Although there is no hard data to prove the deterrence, there is no doubt that the death penalty most definitely serves as a prevention from perpetrating additional future crimes.

As far as the method of execution, I would be in favor of giving them a choice.....just to be sporty about it.


Lethal Injection - Go to sleep and never dream again;

Hanging - worked pretty well for Saddam, but not for one of his co-conspirators who was beheaded because he weighed too much………(I think there were some faulty calculations by the hangman on that one);

Firing Squad - Who could forget the memorable words of Gary Mark Gilmore - "Let's Do It";

Electrocution - my least favorite....something about when your head catches on fire that turns me off;

The Gas Chamber - another bad one. The whole world will know exactly how long you can hold your breath, and how far your eyes will bug out;

Crucification - You actually die slowly of suffocation, so not too bad, as long as someone doesn't put that thorny crap on your head and poke you in the side with a spear....that could ruin a good execution;

Guillotine - Very quick and very effective...a little bloody though, but the Frogs have always enjoyed a little bit of blood. You wouldn't want a front row set on that one;

Burning at the Stake - Another one that wouldn't be one of my favorites. I quit smoking a long time ago.

Garrote - Very slow and painful as the "Man" slowly screws a spike through the back of your neck into your spine, while strangling and paralyzing you at the same time, and

Drawn & Quartered - As much as I like horses................naw.

I think if it were me, I would opt for the firing squad. I always admired the look in a Bull Elk's eyes just before you pull the trigger. It's like they're saying "F**k You".

Finally!!! ive been waiting for someone to point out all the different execution methods.Which do ppl favor? which are people against? thats what im more so interested in rather then the should it or shouldnt it be done.it upsets me sure, but its the law. i favor euthanasia..

well said daddy o on the post to Cy before, youll have an endless argument with that guy, he likes to argue about everything

[MeanDean]

Dude, the forums quota of psychotic american is full. We don't need 2 meandeans.None of the post you quoted is a reflection of my opinion.

[KatKatKat]

None of the post you quoted is a reflection of my opinion.

no its just cy giving shit to ppl again, he cant help himself

[popeye]

Our justice system shows more sympathy for criminals than it does victims of criminals, which to me, is a sad situation. Why do we hear so much about the killers and so little about their victims? Why do we worry more about the “cruel and unusual punishment” to be administered to them than we do about the cruel and unusual punishment administered by the killers to their victims?

Retribution and vengeance have long been valid principles of the criminal justice system. If we wish to reduce or eliminate private acts of vengeance and the work of vigilante groups, then citizens must have some assurance that the State will seek retribution on their behalf.

And lastly, capital punishment does in fact serve as a deterrent to crime. Although there is no hard data to prove the deterrence, there is no doubt that the death penalty most definitely serves as a prevention from perpetrating additional future crimes.

As far as the method of execution, I would be in favor of giving them a choice.....just to be sporty about it.


Lethal Injection - Go to sleep and never dream again;

Hanging - worked pretty well for Saddam, but not for one of his co-conspirators who was beheaded because he weighed too much………(I think there were some faulty calculations by the hangman on that one);

Firing Squad - Who could forget the memorable words of Gary Mark Gilmore - "Let's Do It";

Electrocution - my least favorite....something about when your head catches on fire that turns me off;

The Gas Chamber - another bad one. The whole world will know exactly how long you can hold your breath, and how far your eyes will bug out;

Crucification - You actually die slowly of suffocation, so not too bad, as long as someone doesn't put that thorny crap on your head and poke you in the side with a spear....that could ruin a good execution;

Guillotine - Very quick and very effective...a little bloody though, but the Frogs have always enjoyed a little bit of blood. You wouldn't want a front row set on that one;

Burning at the Stake - Another one that wouldn't be one of my favorites. I quit smoking a long time ago.

Garrote - Very slow and painful as the "Man" slowly screws a spike through the back of your neck into your spine, while strangling and paralyzing you at the same time, and

Drawn & Quartered - As much as I like horses................naw.

I think if it were me, I would opt for the firing squad. I always admired the look in a Bull Elk's eyes just before you pull the trigger. It's like they're saying "F**k You".

You left stoning out of your list. I'm sure there are others too, that I can't think of. ;)

[Daddy O]

You left stoning out of your list. I'm sure there are others too, that I can't think of. ;)Yes, very popular in the Muslim world. I wonder if, in that geographic area, they would let you get stoned before stoning you........naw, probably not.

I also left off beheading, but that might squeeze in with the guillotine. Seems a past favorite of the pommies......at least when they wanted to change wives.....talk about spousal abuse.