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Ext User(erbarT.)
08-04-2011, 12:03 PM
An Ozone Hole In The Warmist Argument

April 6 2011



February 11:

Good Environment says if we could unite to fix the ozone hole, we can also
unite to tackle global warming:



Remember, it was in 1989 that world leaders got serious about combating
ozone depletion, and successfully negotiated the Montreal Protocol, an
international treaty to phase out ozone-depleting chemicals.



In the world international climate negotiations, The Montreal Protocol
process is often held up as a success story, an example of how international
environmental diplomacy works.



It's important to remember, though, that solving ozone depletion basically
meant forcing industry to find chemical replacements for CFCs. A tough sell
for pro-business political forces, but a relatively easy fix. Solving the
climate crisis involves an entire economy-wide shift in energy production.



http://www.good.is/post/what-the-ozone-hole-can-teach-us-about-stopping-climate-change/





BUT, BUT, BUT .





March 6: Uh oh:

DEPLETION of the ozone layer over the Arctic has reached record levels, the
UN weather agency WMO says, blaming harmful substances in the atmosphere and
a very cold winter.



Yeah right.



Maybe, just maybe, it's just a NATURAL CYCLE!



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/record-ozone-depletion-over-arctic/story-e6frf7lf-1226034286349





Blames a very cold winter?



Seems we might be safer if it got warmer, after all!





Warmest Regards



B0nz0



"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville



"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"

Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author



"It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
wrong. Period."

Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics



"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated



Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.

Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher



"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."

Bertrand Russell

Ext User(=?iso-8859-1?b?1nJk9mc=?=)
08-04-2011, 12:44 PM
9On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 11:03:36 +1000, erbarT. (aka BOZO) wrote:

> An Ozone Hole .....

.....has bugger all to do the Global Warming.
Even a six year old can see that.

> BUT, BUT, BUT .

No ifs and buts...

> DEPLETION of the ozone layer over the Arctic has reached record levels,
> the UN weather agency WMO says, blaming harmful substances in the
> atmosphere and a very cold winter.

Correct. The chemistry involved is a very old hat.
Just because uneducated morons can't understand it does not mean it does
not exists.

> Yeah right
> Maybe, just maybe, it's just a NATURAL CYCLE!

Maybe, maybe the Earth is only six thousand years old and quite flat.
Any other speculative wisdoms from you?

> B0nz0

Nice that you sign your name.

So PLONK it is.

--
Ördög
(A Hungarian Devil in service of sanity on Usenet)
Either the neocons go or civilisation does!

Ext User(erbarT.)
08-04-2011, 02:14 PM
"Ördög" <your_personal_devil@hell.biz> wrote in message
news:4jie96.abl.19.12@news.alt.net...
> 9On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 11:03:36 +1000, erbarT. (aka BOZO) wrote:
>
>> An Ozone Hole .....
>
> ....has bugger all to do the Global Warming.
> Even a six year old can see that.
>
>> BUT, BUT, BUT .
>
> No ifs and buts...
>
>> DEPLETION of the ozone layer over the Arctic has reached record levels,
>> the UN weather agency WMO says, blaming harmful substances in the
>> atmosphere and a very cold winter.
>
> Correct. The chemistry involved is a very old hat.
> Just because uneducated morons can't understand it does not mean it does
> not exists.
>


So why is the ozone hole at record levels when the supposed cause is
dropping in level?

That Montreal Protocol is looking more and more like a scam.




Warmest Regards

B0nz0

"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"
Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author

"It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
wrong. Period."
Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics

"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."
"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"
"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated

Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher

"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."
Bertrand Russell

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