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Ext User(jb)
05-10-2011, 04:15 AM
I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on 512
RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not come
up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev Mng
but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
one, just a firmware update.

Anyway, I did order more RAM, so I will be at 1GB. Do you think I have
soemthing else going on besides RAM? Any ideas on getting the CD/DVD back?
The computer runs terribly slow most of the time. I use it a lot for
recording TV, but I run a lot of defrags.

- JB

Ext User(John Doe)
05-10-2011, 04:15 AM
"jb" <jbrandonbb@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that
> seems to grind all the time.

Do you have backups?

Ext User(jb)
05-10-2011, 04:15 AM
I store everything on an extrnal network drive.

"John Doe" <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3702BC77660123456789@207.115.17.102...
> "jb" <jbrandonbb@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that
>> seems to grind all the time.
>
> Do you have backups?

Ext User(Peter)
05-10-2011, 04:15 AM
In article <z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga>, jbrandonbb@hotmail.com says...
> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on 512
> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not come
> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev Mng
> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
> one, just a firmware update.
>

Could be a failing power supply if your cd/dvd drive is no longer
showing up. Unless the device has actually failed. Or did you open up
the case and accidentally dislodge the cable or power connector?

As for the HD, I would scan for errors and backup ASAP, as John Doe
suggested.

--
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Ext User(Peter)
05-10-2011, 04:15 AM
In article <z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga>, jbrandonbb@hotmail.com says...
> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on 512
> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not come
> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev Mng
> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
> one, just a firmware update.
>

Could be a failing power supply if your cd/dvd drive is no longer
showing up. Unless the device has actually failed. Or did you open up
the case and accidentally dislodge the cable or power connector?

As for the HD, I would scan for errors and backup ASAP, as John Doe
suggested.

--
Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

Ext User(jb)
05-10-2011, 04:23 AM
"Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ebc804cae5774c398983a@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> In article <z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga>, jbrandonbb@hotmail.com says...
>> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
>> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
>> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
>> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on
>> 512
>> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
>> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
>> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not
>> come
>> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev
>> Mng
>> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
>> one, just a firmware update.
>>
>
> Could be a failing power supply if your cd/dvd drive is no longer
> showing up. Unless the device has actually failed. Or did you open up
> the case and accidentally dislodge the cable or power connector?
>
> As for the HD, I would scan for errors and backup ASAP, as John Doe
> suggested.

It's been like this for a few months. I actually just added another 512 of
RAM to see if that helped (1GB total), and it still grinds. So, when I start
Outlook for example, it sits there and grinds for maybe 15 seconds. On my
laptop, Outlook starts up almost instantly. Anytiem I do somehting -- start
or close a program, etc. -- it grinds a little. I checked all of my
connectiosn and everything is tight.

If it has been happening for so long, do you think the PSU coudl be failing?
WOudl re-installing Windows XP solve it or woudl it just grind anyway
because of a hardware problem?

Ext User(jb)
05-10-2011, 04:23 AM
"Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ebc804cae5774c398983a@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> In article <z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga>, jbrandonbb@hotmail.com says...
>> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
>> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
>> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
>> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on
>> 512
>> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
>> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
>> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not
>> come
>> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev
>> Mng
>> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
>> one, just a firmware update.
>>
>
> Could be a failing power supply if your cd/dvd drive is no longer
> showing up. Unless the device has actually failed. Or did you open up
> the case and accidentally dislodge the cable or power connector?
>
> As for the HD, I would scan for errors and backup ASAP, as John Doe
> suggested.

It's been like this for a few months. I actually just added another 512 of
RAM to see if that helped (1GB total), and it still grinds. So, when I start
Outlook for example, it sits there and grinds for maybe 15 seconds. On my
laptop, Outlook starts up almost instantly. Anytiem I do somehting -- start
or close a program, etc. -- it grinds a little. I checked all of my
connectiosn and everything is tight.

If it has been happening for so long, do you think the PSU coudl be failing?
WOudl re-installing Windows XP solve it or woudl it just grind anyway
because of a hardware problem?

Ext User(Peter)
05-10-2011, 04:24 AM
In article <j_q6g.21$nW3.8@fe05.lga>, jbrandonbbremove@hotmail.com
says...
>
> "Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ebc804cae5774c398983a@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > In article <z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga>, jbrandonbb@hotmail.com says...
> >> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
> >> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
> >> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
> >> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on
> >> 512
> >> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
> >> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
> >> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not
> >> come
> >> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev
> >> Mng
> >> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
> >> one, just a firmware update.
> >>
> >
> > Could be a failing power supply if your cd/dvd drive is no longer
> > showing up. Unless the device has actually failed. Or did you open up
> > the case and accidentally dislodge the cable or power connector?
> >
> > As for the HD, I would scan for errors and backup ASAP, as John Doe
> > suggested.
>
> It's been like this for a few months. I actually just added another 512 of
> RAM to see if that helped (1GB total), and it still grinds. So, when I start
> Outlook for example, it sits there and grinds for maybe 15 seconds. On my
> laptop, Outlook starts up almost instantly. Anytiem I do somehting -- start
> or close a program, etc. -- it grinds a little. I checked all of my
> connectiosn and everything is tight.
>
> If it has been happening for so long, do you think the PSU coudl be failing?
> WOudl re-installing Windows XP solve it or woudl it just grind anyway
> because of a hardware problem?
>

I had a PSU that took ages to fail, and was actually still working after
a fashion when I finally replaced it. The computer would still boot up,
but I could no longer use either DVD or CD-rewriter reliably and
sometimes the computer would hang during boot or at other odd times and
would make a very weird ping noise just before doing so.

It was only my laziness and not wanting to part with the cash that
delayed the replacement for so long and unfortunately that came back to
bite me when one lockup partially damaged the 2nd HD causing me to lose
some data, so be warned.

Anyway, the PSU failing was really in response to the fact that you
stated that you could no longer get access to the CD-ROM. Either way
though, if your HD is making some strange noises and not accessing data
so easily then it too could be failing. Did you scan the disc for
errors? Especially do a surface scan if you've got the time.

--
Pete Ives
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Ext User(Peter)
05-10-2011, 04:24 AM
In article <j_q6g.21$nW3.8@fe05.lga>, jbrandonbbremove@hotmail.com
says...
>
> "Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ebc804cae5774c398983a@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > In article <z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga>, jbrandonbb@hotmail.com says...
> >> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
> >> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
> >> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
> >> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on
> >> 512
> >> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
> >> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
> >> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not
> >> come
> >> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev
> >> Mng
> >> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
> >> one, just a firmware update.
> >>
> >
> > Could be a failing power supply if your cd/dvd drive is no longer
> > showing up. Unless the device has actually failed. Or did you open up
> > the case and accidentally dislodge the cable or power connector?
> >
> > As for the HD, I would scan for errors and backup ASAP, as John Doe
> > suggested.
>
> It's been like this for a few months. I actually just added another 512 of
> RAM to see if that helped (1GB total), and it still grinds. So, when I start
> Outlook for example, it sits there and grinds for maybe 15 seconds. On my
> laptop, Outlook starts up almost instantly. Anytiem I do somehting -- start
> or close a program, etc. -- it grinds a little. I checked all of my
> connectiosn and everything is tight.
>
> If it has been happening for so long, do you think the PSU coudl be failing?
> WOudl re-installing Windows XP solve it or woudl it just grind anyway
> because of a hardware problem?
>

I had a PSU that took ages to fail, and was actually still working after
a fashion when I finally replaced it. The computer would still boot up,
but I could no longer use either DVD or CD-rewriter reliably and
sometimes the computer would hang during boot or at other odd times and
would make a very weird ping noise just before doing so.

It was only my laziness and not wanting to part with the cash that
delayed the replacement for so long and unfortunately that came back to
bite me when one lockup partially damaged the 2nd HD causing me to lose
some data, so be warned.

Anyway, the PSU failing was really in response to the fact that you
stated that you could no longer get access to the CD-ROM. Either way
though, if your HD is making some strange noises and not accessing data
so easily then it too could be failing. Did you scan the disc for
errors? Especially do a surface scan if you've got the time.

--
Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

Ext User(jb)
05-10-2011, 04:24 AM
"Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ec50b45fe1b46d398983b@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> In article <j_q6g.21$nW3.8@fe05.lga>, jbrandonbbremove@hotmail.com
> says...
>>
>> "Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1ebc804cae5774c398983a@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> > In article <z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga>, jbrandonbb@hotmail.com says...
>> >> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems
>> >> to
>> >> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using
>> >> Google
>> >> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about
>> >> 79-80%. I
>> >> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine
>> >> on
>> >> 512
>> >> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I
>> >> built
>> >> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
>> >> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not
>> >> come
>> >> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in
>> >> Dev
>> >> Mng
>> >> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to
>> >> be
>> >> one, just a firmware update.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Could be a failing power supply if your cd/dvd drive is no longer
>> > showing up. Unless the device has actually failed. Or did you open up
>> > the case and accidentally dislodge the cable or power connector?
>> >
>> > As for the HD, I would scan for errors and backup ASAP, as John Doe
>> > suggested.
>>
>> It's been like this for a few months. I actually just added another 512
>> of
>> RAM to see if that helped (1GB total), and it still grinds. So, when I
>> start
>> Outlook for example, it sits there and grinds for maybe 15 seconds. On my
>> laptop, Outlook starts up almost instantly. Anytiem I do somehting --
>> start
>> or close a program, etc. -- it grinds a little. I checked all of my
>> connectiosn and everything is tight.
>>
>> If it has been happening for so long, do you think the PSU coudl be
>> failing?
>> WOudl re-installing Windows XP solve it or woudl it just grind anyway
>> because of a hardware problem?
>>
>
> I had a PSU that took ages to fail, and was actually still working after
> a fashion when I finally replaced it. The computer would still boot up,
> but I could no longer use either DVD or CD-rewriter reliably and
> sometimes the computer would hang during boot or at other odd times and
> would make a very weird ping noise just before doing so.
>
> It was only my laziness and not wanting to part with the cash that
> delayed the replacement for so long and unfortunately that came back to
> bite me when one lockup partially damaged the 2nd HD causing me to lose
> some data, so be warned.
>
> Anyway, the PSU failing was really in response to the fact that you
> stated that you could no longer get access to the CD-ROM. Either way
> though, if your HD is making some strange noises and not accessing data
> so easily then it too could be failing. Did you scan the disc for
> errors? Especially do a surface scan if you've got the time.

I have run CHKDSK and DiskKeeper a few times but they don't seem to find
errors. It's odd because the PC can find the CD/DVD drive, but has a red
exclm. over it like there is a driver problem. What about not running in
32-bit mode or something? That used to be a problem in the old days. I don't
get any crashes at all, so to me that migth rule out PSU (isn't that one of
the tell-tale signs?). I just get grinding. By the way, games seem to run
just fine once they are loaded and running. But I noticed even just
styarting FireFox takes way too long.

- JB

Ext User(jb)
05-10-2011, 04:24 AM
"Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ec50b45fe1b46d398983b@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> In article <j_q6g.21$nW3.8@fe05.lga>, jbrandonbbremove@hotmail.com
> says...
>>
>> "Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1ebc804cae5774c398983a@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> > In article <z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga>, jbrandonbb@hotmail.com says...
>> >> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems
>> >> to
>> >> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using
>> >> Google
>> >> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about
>> >> 79-80%. I
>> >> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine
>> >> on
>> >> 512
>> >> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I
>> >> built
>> >> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
>> >> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not
>> >> come
>> >> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in
>> >> Dev
>> >> Mng
>> >> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to
>> >> be
>> >> one, just a firmware update.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Could be a failing power supply if your cd/dvd drive is no longer
>> > showing up. Unless the device has actually failed. Or did you open up
>> > the case and accidentally dislodge the cable or power connector?
>> >
>> > As for the HD, I would scan for errors and backup ASAP, as John Doe
>> > suggested.
>>
>> It's been like this for a few months. I actually just added another 512
>> of
>> RAM to see if that helped (1GB total), and it still grinds. So, when I
>> start
>> Outlook for example, it sits there and grinds for maybe 15 seconds. On my
>> laptop, Outlook starts up almost instantly. Anytiem I do somehting --
>> start
>> or close a program, etc. -- it grinds a little. I checked all of my
>> connectiosn and everything is tight.
>>
>> If it has been happening for so long, do you think the PSU coudl be
>> failing?
>> WOudl re-installing Windows XP solve it or woudl it just grind anyway
>> because of a hardware problem?
>>
>
> I had a PSU that took ages to fail, and was actually still working after
> a fashion when I finally replaced it. The computer would still boot up,
> but I could no longer use either DVD or CD-rewriter reliably and
> sometimes the computer would hang during boot or at other odd times and
> would make a very weird ping noise just before doing so.
>
> It was only my laziness and not wanting to part with the cash that
> delayed the replacement for so long and unfortunately that came back to
> bite me when one lockup partially damaged the 2nd HD causing me to lose
> some data, so be warned.
>
> Anyway, the PSU failing was really in response to the fact that you
> stated that you could no longer get access to the CD-ROM. Either way
> though, if your HD is making some strange noises and not accessing data
> so easily then it too could be failing. Did you scan the disc for
> errors? Especially do a surface scan if you've got the time.

I have run CHKDSK and DiskKeeper a few times but they don't seem to find
errors. It's odd because the PC can find the CD/DVD drive, but has a red
exclm. over it like there is a driver problem. What about not running in
32-bit mode or something? That used to be a problem in the old days. I don't
get any crashes at all, so to me that migth rule out PSU (isn't that one of
the tell-tale signs?). I just get grinding. By the way, games seem to run
just fine once they are loaded and running. But I noticed even just
styarting FireFox takes way too long.

- JB

Ext User(Peter)
05-10-2011, 04:24 AM
In article <M8J6g.34$zz.14@fe05.lga>, jbrandonbbremove@hotmail.com
says...
>
> "Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ec50b45fe1b46d398983b@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > In article <j_q6g.21$nW3.8@fe05.lga>, jbrandonbbremove@hotmail.com
> > says...
> >>
> >
> > Anyway, the PSU failing was really in response to the fact that you
> > stated that you could no longer get access to the CD-ROM. Either way
> > though, if your HD is making some strange noises and not accessing data
> > so easily then it too could be failing. Did you scan the disc for
> > errors? Especially do a surface scan if you've got the time.
>
> I have run CHKDSK and DiskKeeper a few times but they don't seem to find
> errors. It's odd because the PC can find the CD/DVD drive, but has a red
> exclm. over it like there is a driver problem. What about not running in
> 32-bit mode or something? That used to be a problem in the old days. I don't
> get any crashes at all, so to me that migth rule out PSU (isn't that one of
> the tell-tale signs?). I just get grinding. By the way, games seem to run
> just fine once they are loaded and running. But I noticed even just
> styarting FireFox takes way too long.
>

Have you done a check for virus or spyware running in the background?
That can cause delays in running programs. Does the computer take
longer to boot these days?

--
Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

Ext User(Peter)
05-10-2011, 04:24 AM
In article <M8J6g.34$zz.14@fe05.lga>, jbrandonbbremove@hotmail.com
says...
>
> "Peter" <pete.ivesAll_stRESS@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ec50b45fe1b46d398983b@news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > In article <j_q6g.21$nW3.8@fe05.lga>, jbrandonbbremove@hotmail.com
> > says...
> >>
> >
> > Anyway, the PSU failing was really in response to the fact that you
> > stated that you could no longer get access to the CD-ROM. Either way
> > though, if your HD is making some strange noises and not accessing data
> > so easily then it too could be failing. Did you scan the disc for
> > errors? Especially do a surface scan if you've got the time.
>
> I have run CHKDSK and DiskKeeper a few times but they don't seem to find
> errors. It's odd because the PC can find the CD/DVD drive, but has a red
> exclm. over it like there is a driver problem. What about not running in
> 32-bit mode or something? That used to be a problem in the old days. I don't
> get any crashes at all, so to me that migth rule out PSU (isn't that one of
> the tell-tale signs?). I just get grinding. By the way, games seem to run
> just fine once they are loaded and running. But I noticed even just
> styarting FireFox takes way too long.
>

Have you done a check for virus or spyware running in the background?
That can cause delays in running programs. Does the computer take
longer to boot these days?

--
Pete Ives
Remove All_stRESS before sending me an email

Ext User(JAD)
05-10-2011, 04:24 AM
"jb" <jbrandonbb@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:z7q4g.4$IY5.0@fe02.lga...
> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on
512
> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not
come
> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev
Mng
> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
> one, just a firmware update.
>
> Anyway, I did order more RAM, so I will be at 1GB. Do you think I have
> soemthing else going on besides RAM? Any ideas on getting the CD/DVD back?
> The computer runs terribly slow most of the time. I use it a lot for
> recording TV, but I run a lot of defrags.
>
> - JB
>
>

grinding! actual grinding or an adjective describing a lot of action/work?
Grinding is not normal whether the PSU RAM MB are failing or not. If the
12v/5v rail is is so bad that the drive is grinding, I don't think you would
get a boot. HARD DRIVE FAILURE IS COMING, run the diagnostics from the
manufacturer IMO.

Ext User(JAD)
05-10-2011, 04:24 AM
"jb" <jbrandonbb@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
> grind all the time. Anytiem I start programs and such. I am using Google
> sidebar with a sysmonitor that says the mem is running at about 79-80%. I
> have 512RAM. teh thing is, I have another PC that seems to work fine on
512
> RAM. This is a Kv8 motherboard with a 2.4GHZ Athlon 64 proc that I built
> myself. I used to run a SATA disk that failed (I think it is the SATA
> controller). In other bad news, my Sony DRU-710A CD/DVD drive does not
come
> up anymore either. I tried removing the prim and sec controllers in Dev
Mng
> but that didn't work. I looked for a driver but there doesn't seem to be
> one, just a firmware update.
>
> Anyway, I did order more RAM, so I will be at 1GB. Do you think I have
> soemthing else going on besides RAM? Any ideas on getting the CD/DVD back?
> The computer runs terribly slow most of the time. I use it a lot for
> recording TV, but I run a lot of defrags.
>
> - JB
>
>

grinding! actual grinding or an adjective describing a lot of action/work?
Grinding is not normal whether the PSU RAM MB are failing or not. If the
12v/5v rail is is so bad that the drive is grinding, I don't think you would
get a boot. HARD DRIVE FAILURE IS COMING, run the diagnostics from the
manufacturer IMO.

Ext User(Dorothy Bradbury)
05-10-2011, 04:25 AM
> It's been like this for a few months. I actually just added another
> 512 of RAM to see if that helped (1GB total), and it still grinds.
> So, when I start Outlook for example, it sits there and grinds for
> maybe 15 seconds

Outlook can take considerably longer to start if corruption occurs.

First thing to do...
o Backup your data without overwriting any previous backup

Software
o Spyware, Viruses
---- any Net connected PC needs a decent firewall & A/V software
---- spyware needs to be run occasionally re malicious code
o Microsoft Index Service
---- disable automatic indexing on all HDs
o Anti-Virus Configuration
---- Norton can scan all office & other I/O for you
---- this can massively slow down even high speed PCs

Data Corruption
o Event logging -- Event Viewer in Win2k/XP
---- display filtering -- turn off information, leave on warnings/errors
---- look for code 7 -- relating to bad block on HD I/O
o Data corruption -- Drive Maker Diagnostic Tool
---- download the drive makers drive diagnostic utility
---- verify the drive passes all tests with HD cold (PC just started)
---- verify the drive passes all tests with HD hot (PC has done A/V scan)

Temperatures
o HD temperature -- HDDTemp drive utility
---- download, run, will report the temp of ONE HD on the system
-------- if you have 2 HDs it may report the cooler vs cooking one :-)
---- ensure the HD is ideally <40oC, and most definately <48oC
-------- if the HD is Maxstor they have a higher temp limit than most
-------- unfortunately it is met with a higher operating *baseline* :-)
---- hot HD temp = relocate in the case or increase intake/exhaust cfm
-------- HDs dissipate only 12-20W at most, so little CFM is required
-------- however SOME cfm is required
o Case temperature -- MBM or m/b maker utility
---- both temperature zones should report <38oC, ideally ~32oC
---- case ambient is the temperature your CPU-cooler & HD-see
---- high case ambient = increase exhaust cfm or improve intake area

Memory
o Usage
---- check Commit figures on Task Manager in XP etc
---- check swapfile configuration
o Errors -- MEMTEST utility
---- if the machine is stable, memory errors are unlikely
---- however it is something to always consider if HD errors found

Cabling
o Verify HD cables are the correct type & securely fitted
o SATA non-locking connectors are somewhat unreliable :-)
o ATA connectors need to be 80-wire
o Check BIOS settings -- are as expected
o Check Windows Device Mgr drivers -- are ok, not running in PIO etc

If a HD is on the same bus as an optical device, try splitting onto
two bus. Errors & problems here would result in other behaviour.

PSU...
o Verify the PSU voltages if possible
---- utilities exist to report - MBM or m/b maker utility
---- whilst not perfect it would give some hints
o Verify no capacitors on the mainboard are leaking
---- bulging tops, electrolyte emitted around the base

If all ok by this stage it might be worth trying a different PSU.
o There are only a few PSU manufacturers
o There are many relabellers & custom specifiers
o Corner cutting does exist, and can result in instability

If Optical drives dissappear from the BIOS bootup...
o Verify cabling -- ideally change cables
---- particularly if anything uses SATA, bad cables do happen
o Verify power cabling -- ideally change cables over
---- less common bad power cables exist
o Remove the optical drive -- repeat tests, see if problem persists
---- some HDs dislike being master/slave to an optical drive

Filesystem checks...
o NTFS is more reliable than FAT

Basic housekeeping...
o Even NTFS suffers from fragmentation of files
---- new files overwrite deleted files, or split across available space
---- as space gets fragmented so do the files
o Fragmentation of files involves movement of the head - seeking
---- HDs have high areal density for fast data transfer IF zero seeking
---- HD head seeking is a very slow electromechanical process
o Running a disk defragmentation may improve performance
---- however you need to know the I/O system is reliable first :-)

You need to pin down whether the problem is Hardware, Software or
Configuration. Outlook for example can suffer corruption making it
very slow in opening files - however more severe than you report.

It may be worth checking you have all Office Updates re Outlook...
o Quite a few bugs in Outlook - indeed some call O/OE a bug
o office.microsoft.com & update - will download bug fixes
o Irritatingly XP Windows Update neglects doing office as well

Disk grinding itself can be caused by several things...
o ECC failure -- actual I/O problems
---- creating entry in S.M.A.R.T. data internally & XP Event Viewer
o Head seeking -- files are severely fragmented
---- so the HD is scrambling all over the platters to pick up bits of files
o Temperature -- hot HDs may suffer more thermal recalibration
---- this should not normally interrupt seeks, but can if overheating
o Files themselves -- Lots of folders in outlook can signify trouble
---- Outlook & MS-IE create files like gov'ts create pieces of paper
---- Outlook folders in particular are individual file packages
---- Excessive numbers of folders/files & big archives slow things down

So check if you have a large undeleted folder in Outlook, lots of
directories, a very large Sent folder, or lots of stored emails. Your
email dbase is a *.pst file in your Documents area, it will be a hidden
file. You can backup this file individually, if you delete it then Outlook
will create a new one, if you move it Outlook will ask for its location.

Windows half the time creates tasks & claims productivity gains by
trying to do those tasks faster vs not creating them in the first place :-)


First task is to backup your most important data & verify all readable.
o It is possible to backup bad data, so avoid overwriting backups
o A drive may be slow for normal config or fragmentation reasons
o The machine may be slow due to software configs/miss-configs

XP is a complex muddle, badly written compare to Linux or OS/X.
It can hide quite malicious spyware, and XPs own Indexing Service
is superb at dragging a machine to a crawl. Antivirus scanners can
slow systems down - worst is Norton opening a big Excel file.

A sluggish machine can be improved by using Windows Classic
and removing all "slow down" options. For example editing the
registry HKEY to remove the Start / Programs menu delay.

If the drive is Maxstor a) backup immediately b) check temps
and c) run the manufacturers check. They are less reliable than
some makes although nothing like IBM Deskstar/Fujitsu probs.

Plenty to check :-)
--
Dorothy Bradbury
www.dorothybradbury.co.uk for NMB-MAT & Panaflo (Panasonic Industrial) fans

Ext User(Dorothy Bradbury)
05-10-2011, 04:25 AM
> It's been like this for a few months. I actually just added another
> 512 of RAM to see if that helped (1GB total), and it still grinds.
> So, when I start Outlook for example, it sits there and grinds for
> maybe 15 seconds

Outlook can take considerably longer to start if corruption occurs.

First thing to do...
o Backup your data without overwriting any previous backup

Software
o Spyware, Viruses
---- any Net connected PC needs a decent firewall & A/V software
---- spyware needs to be run occasionally re malicious code
o Microsoft Index Service
---- disable automatic indexing on all HDs
o Anti-Virus Configuration
---- Norton can scan all office & other I/O for you
---- this can massively slow down even high speed PCs

Data Corruption
o Event logging -- Event Viewer in Win2k/XP
---- display filtering -- turn off information, leave on warnings/errors
---- look for code 7 -- relating to bad block on HD I/O
o Data corruption -- Drive Maker Diagnostic Tool
---- download the drive makers drive diagnostic utility
---- verify the drive passes all tests with HD cold (PC just started)
---- verify the drive passes all tests with HD hot (PC has done A/V scan)

Temperatures
o HD temperature -- HDDTemp drive utility
---- download, run, will report the temp of ONE HD on the system
-------- if you have 2 HDs it may report the cooler vs cooking one :-)
---- ensure the HD is ideally <40oC, and most definately <48oC
-------- if the HD is Maxstor they have a higher temp limit than most
-------- unfortunately it is met with a higher operating *baseline* :-)
---- hot HD temp = relocate in the case or increase intake/exhaust cfm
-------- HDs dissipate only 12-20W at most, so little CFM is required
-------- however SOME cfm is required
o Case temperature -- MBM or m/b maker utility
---- both temperature zones should report <38oC, ideally ~32oC
---- case ambient is the temperature your CPU-cooler & HD-see
---- high case ambient = increase exhaust cfm or improve intake area

Memory
o Usage
---- check Commit figures on Task Manager in XP etc
---- check swapfile configuration
o Errors -- MEMTEST utility
---- if the machine is stable, memory errors are unlikely
---- however it is something to always consider if HD errors found

Cabling
o Verify HD cables are the correct type & securely fitted
o SATA non-locking connectors are somewhat unreliable :-)
o ATA connectors need to be 80-wire
o Check BIOS settings -- are as expected
o Check Windows Device Mgr drivers -- are ok, not running in PIO etc

If a HD is on the same bus as an optical device, try splitting onto
two bus. Errors & problems here would result in other behaviour.

PSU...
o Verify the PSU voltages if possible
---- utilities exist to report - MBM or m/b maker utility
---- whilst not perfect it would give some hints
o Verify no capacitors on the mainboard are leaking
---- bulging tops, electrolyte emitted around the base

If all ok by this stage it might be worth trying a different PSU.
o There are only a few PSU manufacturers
o There are many relabellers & custom specifiers
o Corner cutting does exist, and can result in instability

If Optical drives dissappear from the BIOS bootup...
o Verify cabling -- ideally change cables
---- particularly if anything uses SATA, bad cables do happen
o Verify power cabling -- ideally change cables over
---- less common bad power cables exist
o Remove the optical drive -- repeat tests, see if problem persists
---- some HDs dislike being master/slave to an optical drive

Filesystem checks...
o NTFS is more reliable than FAT

Basic housekeeping...
o Even NTFS suffers from fragmentation of files
---- new files overwrite deleted files, or split across available space
---- as space gets fragmented so do the files
o Fragmentation of files involves movement of the head - seeking
---- HDs have high areal density for fast data transfer IF zero seeking
---- HD head seeking is a very slow electromechanical process
o Running a disk defragmentation may improve performance
---- however you need to know the I/O system is reliable first :-)

You need to pin down whether the problem is Hardware, Software or
Configuration. Outlook for example can suffer corruption making it
very slow in opening files - however more severe than you report.

It may be worth checking you have all Office Updates re Outlook...
o Quite a few bugs in Outlook - indeed some call O/OE a bug
o office.microsoft.com & update - will download bug fixes
o Irritatingly XP Windows Update neglects doing office as well

Disk grinding itself can be caused by several things...
o ECC failure -- actual I/O problems
---- creating entry in S.M.A.R.T. data internally & XP Event Viewer
o Head seeking -- files are severely fragmented
---- so the HD is scrambling all over the platters to pick up bits of files
o Temperature -- hot HDs may suffer more thermal recalibration
---- this should not normally interrupt seeks, but can if overheating
o Files themselves -- Lots of folders in outlook can signify trouble
---- Outlook & MS-IE create files like gov'ts create pieces of paper
---- Outlook folders in particular are individual file packages
---- Excessive numbers of folders/files & big archives slow things down

So check if you have a large undeleted folder in Outlook, lots of
directories, a very large Sent folder, or lots of stored emails. Your
email dbase is a *.pst file in your Documents area, it will be a hidden
file. You can backup this file individually, if you delete it then Outlook
will create a new one, if you move it Outlook will ask for its location.

Windows half the time creates tasks & claims productivity gains by
trying to do those tasks faster vs not creating them in the first place :-)


First task is to backup your most important data & verify all readable.
o It is possible to backup bad data, so avoid overwriting backups
o A drive may be slow for normal config or fragmentation reasons
o The machine may be slow due to software configs/miss-configs

XP is a complex muddle, badly written compare to Linux or OS/X.
It can hide quite malicious spyware, and XPs own Indexing Service
is superb at dragging a machine to a crawl. Antivirus scanners can
slow systems down - worst is Norton opening a big Excel file.

A sluggish machine can be improved by using Windows Classic
and removing all "slow down" options. For example editing the
registry HKEY to remove the Start / Programs menu delay.

If the drive is Maxstor a) backup immediately b) check temps
and c) run the manufacturers check. They are less reliable than
some makes although nothing like IBM Deskstar/Fujitsu probs.

Plenty to check :-)
--
Dorothy Bradbury
www.dorothybradbury.co.uk for NMB-MAT & Panaflo (Panasonic Industrial) fans

Ext User(Mxsmanic)
05-10-2011, 04:25 AM
jb writes:

> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
> grind all the time.

Grind? It makes a funny noise, or what?

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Ext User(Mxsmanic)
05-10-2011, 04:25 AM
jb writes:

> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
> grind all the time.

Grind? It makes a funny noise, or what?

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Ext User(jb)
05-10-2011, 04:25 AM
"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> jb writes:
>
>> I have had this problem for a while now. I have an IDE disk that seems to
>> grind all the time.
>
> Grind? It makes a funny noise, or what?
>
It is a scratching sound. It's the same sound that happens during a typical
start-up on a working machine as everything is loaded. It only grinds when I
start programs or do other tasks on the computer. But what makes it annoying
is that it happens so much. Starting any program takes a good 10 seconds at
times, but the hd keeps grinindg even for a while after I start using the
program.

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