airliners.net

[Carsten Bauer]

Yay, finally got a photo on their database.
But only after more than 50 attempts, and many appeals.

It's a night shot of VH-NJR, our of National Jet's BAE146's.
<http://www.airliners.net/open.file/465698/L/>
As you can see it's hell noisey up the top in the dark areas. Maybe
thats why they rejected it the first time. But it's the first night
photo of this aircraft, or even of a 146 in Australia I think.

Thanks to Monty for his photography help and tips in the past few
weeks, and thanks to everyone in aus.photos for your help.

airliners.net is a tough nut to crack, but I finally managed it.
jetphotos.net is easier, and I've got got quite a few photos on there.

Cyas

[BB]

"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:nl2lsvgr1u2vlrslknk5ip5pmkshsbru2s@4ax.com...
> Yay, finally got a photo on their database.
> But only after more than 50 attempts, and many appeals.
>
> It's a night shot of VH-NJR, our of National Jet's BAE146's.
> <http://www.airliners.net/open.file/465698/L/>
> As you can see it's hell noisey up the top in the dark areas. Maybe
> thats why they rejected it the first time. But it's the first night
> photo of this aircraft, or even of a 146 in Australia I think.
>
> Thanks to Monty for his photography help and tips in the past few
> weeks, and thanks to everyone in aus.photos for your help.
>
> airliners.net is a tough nut to crack, but I finally managed it.
> jetphotos.net is easier, and I've got got quite a few photos on there.
>
> Cyas
>

Congratulations, Carsten. Any details about the camera/lens used, the
exposure and the film? (if indeed it was a film camera)

Regards,
BB.

[Carsten Bauer]

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:13:49 +1100, "BB" <not@all.com> wrote:

Ahh..
It was a Canon 300D, with the 18-55 EF-S Lens. This one I think was a
15 second exposure using 100 ISO speed setting.


>
> Congratulations, Carsten. Any details about the camera/lens used, the
>exposure and the film? (if indeed it was a film camera)
>
>Regards,
>BB.
>

[Bernd Felsche]

Carsten Bauer <spam@iinet.net.au> writes:

>On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:13:49 +1100, "BB" <not@all.com> wrote:

>Ahh..
>It was a Canon 300D, with the 18-55 EF-S Lens. This one I think was a
>15 second exposure using 100 ISO speed setting.

That's a LONG exposure. Do you remember the F-stop?

Colours are a bit yellow probably due to lighting and daylight film. :-(
Using a tungsten film may give more colour-true results.

Or you can digitally adjust the white-balance; but it can make it
more noisy.
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[me]

Carsten Bauer wrote:

> Yay, finally got a photo on their database.
> But only after more than 50 attempts, and many appeals.
>
> It's a night shot of VH-NJR, our of National Jet's BAE146's.
> <http://www.airliners.net/open.file/465698/L/>
> As you can see it's hell noisey up the top in the dark areas. Maybe
> thats why they rejected it the first time. But it's the first night
> photo of this aircraft, or even of a 146 in Australia I think.
>
> Thanks to Monty for his photography help and tips in the past few
> weeks, and thanks to everyone in aus.photos for your help.
>
> airliners.net is a tough nut to crack, but I finally managed it.
> jetphotos.net is easier, and I've got got quite a few photos on there.
>
> Cyas
>


And you reckon this aint spam

Follows your own guide lines and multiple newsgroups etc.

[VH-CBR]

"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:nl2lsvgr1u2vlrslknk5ip5pmkshsbru2s@4ax.com...
> Yay, finally got a photo on their database.
> But only after more than 50 attempts, and many appeals.

ROFL ...

I'm sure that feels like an achievement but heck, wouldn't you prefer to
deal with a site that isn't so up itself that you have to jump through hoops
just to get one picture online?

:o)

[Glenn]

Yay

But don't boast, they'll close that loophole too ;-)


"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:nl2lsvgr1u2vlrslknk5ip5pmkshsbru2s@4ax.com...
> Yay, finally got a photo on their database.
> But only after more than 50 attempts, and many appeals.
>
> It's a night shot of VH-NJR, our of National Jet's BAE146's.
> <http://www.airliners.net/open.file/465698/L/>
> As you can see it's hell noisey up the top in the dark areas. Maybe
> thats why they rejected it the first time. But it's the first night
> photo of this aircraft, or even of a 146 in Australia I think.
>
> Thanks to Monty for his photography help and tips in the past few
> weeks, and thanks to everyone in aus.photos for your help.
>
> airliners.net is a tough nut to crack, but I finally managed it.
> jetphotos.net is easier, and I've got got quite a few photos on there.
>
> Cyas
>

[Scott Howard]

In aus.photo Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>It was a Canon 300D, with the 18-55 EF-S Lens. This one I think was a
>>15 second exposure using 100 ISO speed setting.
>
> Colours are a bit yellow probably due to lighting and daylight film. :-(
> Using a tungsten film may give more colour-true results.

Daylight film, in a 300D? Impressive! :)

Scott

[Bernd Felsche]

Scott Howard <scott@hunterlink.net.au> writes:

>In aus.photo Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>It was a Canon 300D, with the 18-55 EF-S Lens. This one I think was a
>>>15 second exposure using 100 ISO speed setting.

>> Colours are a bit yellow probably due to lighting and daylight film. :-(
>> Using a tungsten film may give more colour-true results.

>Daylight film, in a 300D? Impressive! :)

Is it not some snort of SLR?
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[Glenn]

I guess he meant Degrees Kelvin


"Scott Howard" <scott@hunterlink.net.au> wrote in message
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> In aus.photo Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:
> >>It was a Canon 300D, with the 18-55 EF-S Lens. This one I think was a
> >>15 second exposure using 100 ISO speed setting.
> >
> > Colours are a bit yellow probably due to lighting and daylight film.
:-(
> > Using a tungsten film may give more colour-true results.
>
> Daylight film, in a 300D? Impressive! :)
>
> Scott

[Shaun Ewing]

"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Is it not some snort of SLR?

The EOS 300D is a Digital SLR :-)

-Shaun

[Carsten Bauer]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 17:10:08 +1100, me <me@me.com> wrote:

>
>
>Carsten Bauer wrote:
>
>
>And you reckon this aint spam
>
>Follows your own guide lines and multiple newsgroups etc.
>

Oh please..
I'm showing off a photogaphy and aviation achievement.
And I was having a bad day when i flamed u the other day.
Sorry mate, no hard feelings.
You got a good site there.

[Bernd Felsche]

"Shaun Ewing" <news10@shaunewing.com> writes:

>"Bernd Felsche" <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>news:r8kr91x3sc.ln2@innovative.iinet.net.au...

>> Is it not some snort of SLR?

>The EOS 300D is a Digital SLR :-)

So the "film speed" setting is fiction?
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[GB]

Scott Howard <scott@hunterlink.net.au> wrote in
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> Daylight film, in a 300D? Impressive! :)

Not as silly as it sounds.

Carsten, an approach I use often with the D60 is to take
a photo where the centre circle in the viewfinder is filled
with a white surface (the side of a Qantas aircraft works,
if yours are actually white, the that will work too).

Then use the custom white balance function in the camera,
and tell it to use that picture as it's 'reference white',
*then* go and take the photos of white objects, knowing
that they'll come out white.

Note that if you're working in changing light conditions
(like, in the afternoon, as the sun is setting) then you
might need to do this every 20-30 minutes as the colour
of white changes due to changes in ambient light.

G

[GB]

Bernd Felsche <bernie@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in news:flur91x3nd.ln2
@innovative.iinet.net.au:
> So the "film speed" setting is fiction?

Yes. It's not so much a decision about how 'fast' you'd
like your film to be, as how digitally noisy you'd like
the finished image to be :-)

He's no-doubt chosen 100ASA because anything faster with
such a long exposure will be *very* noisy. The Canon D60
is produces virtually unusable results at or above 400ASA,
though I'd expect the 300D to perform a little better.

I generally shoot at 100ASA in all conditions, unless
I'm really desperate to get the shot in low-light, etc
at all costs.

G

[GB]

"Glenn" <check@myphotorforemail.com> wrote in
news:3fcb247e@news.comindico.com.au:
> I guess he meant Degrees Kelvin

300D doesn't allow you to set white balance in degrees, just
a bunch of presets, and the manual I just described.

G

[Glenn]

Nope but it would make the digital adjustments to compensate for the actual
colour temperature. Just like in film but now adays with magic ;-0

If you are sghooting for Tungsten, it makes the neccessary correcrtions for
that colour.
Same as Daylight and cloudy.

But not being a Canon shooter. Are you telling me that Canon doesn't have a
white balance to compensate for white under all lighting conditions.

Hmmmmmm
"GB" <g.b@sonicresearch.mailme.org> wrote in message
news:fMKdnXg8TY79L1ai4p2dnA@inspired.net.au...
> "Glenn" <check@myphotorforemail.com> wrote in
> news:3fcb247e@news.comindico.com.au:
> > I guess he meant Degrees Kelvin
>
> 300D doesn't allow you to set white balance in degrees, just
> a bunch of presets, and the manual I just described.
>
> G

[Smiling Bob]

"Glenn" <check@myphotorforemail.com> wrote in
news:3fcbc31c@news.comindico.com.au:
> Nope but it would make the digital adjustments to compensate for the
> actual colour temperature. Just like in film but now adays with magic
> If you are sghooting for Tungsten, it makes the neccessary
> correcrtions for that colour. Same as Daylight and cloudy.

Methinks you're both saying the same thing, just in
different words.


> But not being a Canon shooter. Are you telling me that Canon doesn't
> have a white balance to compensate for white under all lighting
> conditions.

I don't think so. AFAIK, all of the Canon SLRs have white balance
adjustments (they'd be hard pressed to sell them without!). What
he's saying is that some of the Canons (IIRC D30, D60, 300D) _do_
offer a bunch of pre-set white balance settings, but that they
_do_not_ allow you to dial in a specific _number_ in degrees kelvin.

The Canon marketeers specifically highlighted the ability to
dial in a specific setting in degrees kelvin on the 10D camera.
I guess that the D1, D1s, 1D, et-al have similar functionality.

The D30/D60/300D have the usual range of sunny/cloudy/indoor/
tungsten/flash/manual white balance offerings.

The 300D is a 'cheapened' D60/10D. They've taken more-or-less
the same guts as those two cameras, put it in a plastic 'EOS Rebel'
body, and switched off a bunch of features, then reduced the
price tag to suit.

Bob

[Paul Repacholi]

"Glenn" <check@myphotorforemail.com> writes:

> Nope but it would make the digital adjustments to compensate for the
> actual colour temperature. Just like in film but now adays with
> magic ;-0

> If you are sghooting for Tungsten, it makes the neccessary
> correcrtions for that colour. Same as Daylight and cloudy.

> But not being a Canon shooter. Are you telling me that Canon doesn't
> have a white balance to compensate for white under all lighting
> conditions.

Have a carefull look Glen, I think it has lots of HP Sodium lighting
so colour balance is out the door.


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[Chris Robinson]

"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote

> Yay, finally got a photo on their database.
> But only after more than 50 attempts, and many appeals.

Congratualations.

I notice a strange thing looking at that site; all the photos (I looked at)
have the aircraft full frame, even to the point of nearly clipping the nose
or tail in many cases. Even the air shots are full frame, presumably
cropped to the nose and tail. Many are also fully from the side, looking
straight down the wing.

I'm used to looking at photographs with more emphasis on the composition,
rather than a bald documentary which these appear to be. Am I right in
thinking this is an "aviator" site rather than a "photographer" site?

Wouldn't the images still be more useful/appealing/publishable if more
thought was put in the composition? I suspect I must have missed the point
in my brief look. Yours was one of the more intersting shots, and it took
you 50 goes to get them to take something?

Chris.