D70 :D

[VH-CBR]

"Dmitri Kalintsev" <_delete_dek@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> *Sigh* (google, google, google... here we go!)
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0306/03062501oly90000.asp
>

Ta ... not all that useful an article with regards to real information.
but it does leave you wondering if Olympus will get the sales figures they
hope for.

I do wonder if they're joined the frey a little to late in the day ... after
all, digital have been out there for a few years now and people (for the
most part) are pretty entrenched in Canon or Nikon (with a splattering of
Fuji and Kodak) already.

[Wiz]

M i c C u l l e n wrote:
> Wiz <wiz---@myrealbox.com>, far, far away from here, appears to have
> written:
>
> [snips]
>
>
>>>Elephants can smell water from as far away as three miles.
>
>
>
>>but they can't jump.
>
>
> It's why I don't have one.
> --
>
> cheers, Mic (Reply address works...)
>
> We cannot control the tragic things that happen to us, but we can control the way we face up to them.
>


*Do paediatricians play miniature golf on Wednesdays?




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[aaardvaark]

"Gavin Cato" <woof@g.com> wrote in message
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The D70 (bad name, bad name) is most likely going to be the competitor to
the 300D. Nikon hasn't had to release a competitor to the 10D as it has one
out there that remains as good (if not better) than it's competitor who has
released 3 cameras in the same time haven't they?



To go back to the topic for a moment, I was a Nikon person who just had his Nikon film stuff stolen. I have repalced it with a 300D because it is the best and cheapest at the moment. This is the genius of Canon's approach and why I am certain that Nikon are in "extremely worried" mode at the moment. Nothing to do with quality or otherwise of either manufacturer's stuff, just that Canon have the scale to pull a stunt like the 300D.

The whole point of the 300D is the price and what that will do for them. Canon could only set the price at this level because of some hoped-for economies of scale. i.e. it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. You sell it cheap, it sells bucketloads, so your manufacturing costs come down to justify the original decision.

The point of this as many people have pointed out is that grabbing the "beginners" is the way to corner a market. And the market is...

a) lenses

b) brand loyalty such as is demonstrated by this thread ---being the best way to influence future purchasing decisions IRRATIONALLY but successfully.

I am the perfect example of the sanity of Canon's approach - in my price range, how could I go past the 300D? Now I will be buying a bootload of Canon lenses as time goes on, then I willl be stuck as a Canon buyer, and as I get used to the gear I will sooner or later become irrationally attached to Canon. Probably have an argument about it.

So Canon have successfully pulled off a coup against Nikon and others at the moment, I believe that Nikon are right to be petrified. Canon are a bigger company and they sell more cameras and much more non-photo gear, so they have weight and velocity i.e. momentum. I don't think Nikon expected the 300D (i.e. the price) and so they are now very much in catch-up mode whether or not they were before. The proof of this is their desperate D70 press release which is obviously designed to limit the damage until they can get something on the shelves. Which they will have a hard time doing bec many of the newbie market will have a Canon by then. And Nikon will probably never match the scale of Canon sales, so costs will always be higher. So they won't sell as many, so ...

I always fondly thought that Nikon were 'better" in that they were slower, but when they did release something it was rugged, "better", and worked brilliantly. I have no experience of their DSLR's (I wish...) but the 5400 and 5700 are definitely not top of their market. They are being pushed by consumer pressure into areas where they don't naturally belong and it will be interesting to see whether they can continue being so successful as in the past.

In some ways I think the battle is between the specialist and the generalist with the former having the advantage of focus and the latter the momentum. Where is the nice point for each? Sony at one extreme seem to suffer from being too much of a generalist, perhaps Nikon from being too much of a specialist- now that high quality photography is becoming mass market. Perhaps Canon have found the perfect middle ground?

I hope Nikon succeed, it is only Maxwells that I don't like, the arrogant bast**ds.

[Gavin Cato]

> again, what's with the losing pics thing? You said yourself that you
> suspect that it is from opening the CF door while the card is writing...
> this is user error, plain and simple... not a design fault or problem with
> the camera.... turn your D100 off at the switch while is still writing and
> you too will lose pics, but this is not a problem with the camera, it is
> simply being used in a manner that was not intended.

You can turn the D100 off whilst it is writing to the flashcard and it will
continue writing all the images out.

It doesn't just abort and lose the pictures.

Gav

[Rudi]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:17:47 +1100, "Gavin Cato" <woof@g.com> wrote:

>> again, what's with the losing pics thing? You said yourself that you
>> suspect that it is from opening the CF door while the card is writing...
>> this is user error, plain and simple... not a design fault or problem with
>> the camera.... turn your D100 off at the switch while is still writing and
>> you too will lose pics, but this is not a problem with the camera, it is
>> simply being used in a manner that was not intended.
>
>You can turn the D100 off whilst it is writing to the flashcard and it will
>continue writing all the images out.
>
>It doesn't just abort and lose the pictures.
>
>Gav
>


Gav,

The 10D will do exactly the same! It's only when you open the door to
the CF compartment that the thing stops working.

FWIW, there is a filthy big red light flashing while the camera writes
to the card, so for anyone to open the door accidentally... let's just
say it is not as easy as people make out! :-)




Regards,

Rudi
http://www.rudiphoto.net/

[M i c C u l l e n]

"Gavin Cato" <woof@g.com>, far, far away from here, appears to have
written:

[snips]

> You can turn the D100 off whilst it is writing to the flashcard and it will
> continue writing all the images out.
>
> It doesn't just abort and lose the pictures.

Same as the 10D - I do it all the time.

Both are good cameras - I don't understand the tribalism. I've got Canon
lenses, so my next camera will also be a Canon. A mate in Seattle has
the D100 and Nikon lenses - his next camera will be a Nikon. Big deal.
--

cheers, Mic (Reply address works...)

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"Rudi" <rudi@work.again> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:17:47 +1100, "Gavin Cato" <woof@g.com> wrote:
>
> >> again, what's with the losing pics thing? You said yourself that you
> >> suspect that it is from opening the CF door while the card is
writing...
> >> this is user error, plain and simple... not a design fault or problem
with
> >> the camera.... turn your D100 off at the switch while is still writing
and
> >> you too will lose pics, but this is not a problem with the camera, it
is
> >> simply being used in a manner that was not intended.
> >
> >You can turn the D100 off whilst it is writing to the flashcard and it
will
> >continue writing all the images out.
> >
> >It doesn't just abort and lose the pictures.
> >
> >Gav
> >
>
>
> Gav,
>
> The 10D will do exactly the same! It's only when you open the door to
> the CF compartment that the thing stops working.

Wow! I learn something new everyday! :-)

I guess I have never tried it and simply assumed that both the 10D and D100
would shut down. ...that is good to know. :-)

[VH-CBR]

"Gavin Cato" <woof@g.com> wrote in message
news:3fd79b91$0$31750$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net...
> > again, what's with the losing pics thing? You said yourself that you
> > suspect that it is from opening the CF door while the card is writing...
> > this is user error, plain and simple... not a design fault or problem
with
> > the camera.... turn your D100 off at the switch while is still writing
and
> > you too will lose pics, but this is not a problem with the camera, it is
> > simply being used in a manner that was not intended.

Irrelevant whether it's a user error or not, the ability is there for the
user to do that. This may not be an issue to 99% of people, and
particularly not an issue once you've had it happen once, but in this day
and age AND considering the user complaints being made about these issues
you think they'd address it. After all, shouldn't an automatic camera be
automatic?

Of course, you can't cater for everything .. but still .. it's not like
they're pulling the CF cards out whilst it's writing or anything, they're
just opening the door ... *shrug*

[GB]

having just spent nearly twice on lens than the camera body, I'd be hard
pressed to switch camps now, no matter how good the other body was......
competition would eventually level the playing field and then I'd be a
winner too, just have to wait a bit longer (which I can afford to do, maybe
others can't).

"VH-CBR" <fake@address.com> wrote in message
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>
> "M i c C u l l e n" <nospam@cross.com.au> wrote in message
> news:e2dftvghj6c19ectemgcak3s680dp8rbkd@4ax.com...
> > "Gavin Cato" <woof@g.com>, far, far away from here, appears to have
> >
> > Both are good cameras - I don't understand the tribalism. I've got Canon
> > lenses, so my next camera will also be a Canon. A mate in Seattle has
> > the D100 and Nikon lenses - his next camera will be a Nikon. Big deal.
>
> Ooooh .. careful .. toes have just been trodden on :o)
>
> But a response that I am certainly in agreement with UNLESS the other
> company releases something that vastly outweighs what you can get now
(like
> drop that 11Mp camera to $2000 :o)
>
>