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Carsten Bauer

07-12-2003, 01:56 PM

I've uploaded about 50 photos, maybe more in the past few years, but
most of them in the last few weeks. I think I have some great shots,
but airliners.net judges dont seem to think so. A fellow photographer
uploads 20-50 shots a week, and have most of them accepted.

Is it because I'm new? Because I've had so many rejects?

<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_3B_NAL_1_IMG_0823.j pg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_N724CL_2_IMG_0819.j pg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_A6-EMJ_3_IMG_0792.jpg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_A6-EMJ__1_IMG_0790.jpg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_N724CL_1_IMG_0814.j pg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_MN724CL_IMG_0805.jp g>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_VH-NJY_IMG_0642.jpg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_vh-zzg_IMG_0677.jpg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_VH-OJA_IMG_0662.jpg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=9M-MRA_IMG_0617.jpg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_ZK-NCF_IMG_0629.jpg>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=VH-NJC_NJR_NJY_numloxx0002.jpg>

These are some of the rejected photos. Can anyone offer me some
advice? Some Processing tips for Photoshop7?

Thanks.
Me thinks airliners.net should be renamed to anal.net

AU Digital Photo Of The Day

07-12-2003, 02:16 PM

"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:m395tv4i4vjdde6vhlmgs52di62sg1cqs3@4ax.com...
> I've uploaded about 50 photos, maybe more in the past few years, but
> most of them in the last few weeks. I think I have some great shots,
> but airliners.net judges dont seem to think so. A fellow photographer
> uploads 20-50 shots a week, and have most of them accepted.
>
> Is it because I'm new? Because I've had so many rejects?
>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_3B_NAL_1_IMG
_0823.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_N724CL_2_IMG
_0819.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_A6-EMJ_3_IMG
_0792.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_A6-EMJ__1_IM
G_0790.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_N724CL_1_IMG
_0814.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_MN724CL_IMG_
0805.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_VH-NJY_IMG_0
642.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_vh-zzg_IMG_0
677.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_VH-OJA_IMG_0
662.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=9M-MRA_IMG_0617.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_ZK-NCF_IMG_0
629.jpg>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=VH-NJC_NJR_NJY_numlo
xx0002.jpg>
>
> These are some of the rejected photos. Can anyone offer me some
> advice? Some Processing tips for Photoshop7?
>
> Thanks.
> Me thinks airliners.net should be renamed to anal.net

Your images are too big for me to look at them all on my slow 28.8, but the
few I did see are all on the ground..... could it be that they get lots of
"static" shots and are looking for something a little different? What kind
of pics does your mate submit?

AU Digital Photo Of The Day

07-12-2003, 02:46 PM

Flatulent Dingo

07-12-2003, 03:06 PM

On Sunday, December 7, 2003 at 14:55:42 (where I live), "Carsten Bauer" wrote:

> Is it because I'm new? Because I've had so many rejects?

They look pretty good to me, but the only true comparison would be to
see them alongside the ones John West didn't reject.

--
Why does it matter if we all put our pants on one leg at a time?

VH-CBR

07-12-2003, 03:26 PM

"AU Digital Photo Of The Day" <adpotd@pixelpix.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>
> Your images are too big for me to look at them all on my slow 28.8, but
the
> few I did see are all on the ground..... could it be that they get lots of
> "static" shots and are looking for something a little different? What
kind
> of pics does your mate submit?
>

His best bet is to give up and go to jetphotos.net, airliners.net is pretty
much a "mates club".

VH-CBR

07-12-2003, 03:26 PM

"Flatulent Dingo" <flatulentdingo@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> They look pretty good to me, but the only true comparison would be to
> see them alongside the ones John West didn't reject.
>

a.net has many rules/regs about uploading but it really comes down to the
opinion of the screener as to whether it is rejected or not and I remain
unconvinced that people are treated equally. I was involved in the
screening process at airliners.net for over 2 years (from the sidelines) and
there is nothing fair and equitable about the process at all.

But if you look at the names of the big uploaders, you will see that
(surprise surprise), they're all screeners or mates of screeners ....

Miro

07-12-2003, 04:56 PM

"VH-CBR" <fake@address.com> wrote in message
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>

> But if you look at the names of the big uploaders, you will see that
> (surprise surprise), they're all screeners or mates of screeners ....
>
>

There used to be a photo contest like that.

El Guardo

07-12-2003, 06:56 PM

On 7/12/03 2:55 PM, in article m395tv4i4vjdde6vhlmgs52di62sg1cqs3@4ax.com,
"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> I've uploaded about 50 photos, maybe more in the past few years, but
> most of them in the last few weeks. I think I have some great shots,
> but airliners.net judges dont seem to think so. A fellow photographer
> uploads 20-50 shots a week, and have most of them accepted.
>
> Is it because I'm new? Because I've had so many rejects?
>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_3B_NAL_1_IMG_0
> 823.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_N724CL_2_IMG_0
> 819.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_A6-EMJ_3_IMG_0
> 792.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_A6-EMJ__1_IMG_
> 0790.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_N724CL_1_IMG_0
> 814.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_MN724CL_IMG_08
> 05.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_VH-NJY_IMG_064
> 2.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_vh-zzg_IMG_067
> 7.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_VH-OJA_IMG_066
> 2.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=9M-MRA_IMG_0617.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_ZK-NCF_IMG_062
> 9.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=VH-NJC_NJR_NJY_numloxx
> 0002.jpg>
>
> These are some of the rejected photos. Can anyone offer me some
> advice? Some Processing tips for Photoshop7?
>
> Thanks.
> Me thinks airliners.net should be renamed to anal.net

Just curious - what's your camera and equipment set up - some of the photos
are pretty good.

Cheers,

El Guardo.

Carsten Bauer

07-12-2003, 11:36 PM

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:44:47 +1100, El Guardo
<smhubbardremove@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 7/12/03 2:55 PM, in article m395tv4i4vjdde6vhlmgs52di62sg1cqs3@4ax.com,
>"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>

>> These are some of the rejected photos. Can anyone offer me some
>> advice? Some Processing tips for Photoshop7?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Me thinks airliners.net should be renamed to anal.net
>
>Just curious - what's your camera and equipment set up - some of the photos
>are pretty good.

Thanks for the compliment.
I'm using a Canon 300D, with a 18-55mm and a 90-300mm canon lenses.
I use the Large/Fine setting for all aviation photos, and mostly
100ISO.

Andrew Hennell

08-12-2003, 07:06 AM

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:47:14 +1100, " Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"VH-CBR" <fake@address.com> wrote in message
>news:3fd2b7d5$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>>
>
>> But if you look at the names of the big uploaders, you will see that
>> (surprise surprise), they're all screeners or mates of screeners ....
>>
>>
>
>There used to be a photo contest like that.

there was, and then ausphotographers came along!

Miro

08-12-2003, 07:56 AM

"Andrew Hennell" <andrew@hennell.com.au.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:47:14 +1100, " Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"VH-CBR" <fake@address.com> wrote in message
> >news:3fd2b7d5$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> >>
> >
> >> But if you look at the names of the big uploaders, you will see that
> >> (surprise surprise), they're all screeners or mates of screeners ....
> >>
> >>
> >
> >There used to be a photo contest like that.
>
> there was, and then ausphotographers came along!
>

pfffft

Steven Cook

08-12-2003, 11:46 PM

Hi Carsten,

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:55:42 +0800, Carsten Bauer <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> I've uploaded about 50 photos, maybe more in the past few years, but
> most of them in the last few weeks. I think I have some great shots,
> but airliners.net judges dont seem to think so. A fellow photographer
> uploads 20-50 shots a week, and have most of them accepted.

The majority of those photos look great to me. The photo of the Emirates
777 touching down is my favourite of the bunch.

If we're being pedantic, I can come up with a couple of points. In the Air
Mauritius 767, there seems to be a bit of window reflection, especially on
the right near the aerobridge. In N724CL_2_IMG_0819.jpg, the tip of the
tail is cut off which I think detracts slightly from the image. The
airliners.net FAQ says that they reject photos of parts of aircraft anyway.

So that's 2 from 12, but it doesn't explain why the rest would be rejected.
I can't see any problems with them.

Steve

Carsten Bauer

08-12-2003, 11:56 PM

On 08 Dec 2003 13:38:37 GMT, Steven Cook <no@spam.for.me> wrote:

>Hi Carsten,
>
>On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:55:42 +0800, Carsten Bauer <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> I've uploaded about 50 photos, maybe more in the past few years, but
>> most of them in the last few weeks. I think I have some great shots,
>> but airliners.net judges dont seem to think so. A fellow photographer
>> uploads 20-50 shots a week, and have most of them accepted.
>
>The majority of those photos look great to me. The photo of the Emirates
>777 touching down is my favourite of the bunch.
>
>If we're being pedantic, I can come up with a couple of points. In the Air
>Mauritius 767, there seems to be a bit of window reflection, especially on
>the right near the aerobridge. In N724CL_2_IMG_0819.jpg, the tip of the
>tail is cut off which I think detracts slightly from the image. The
>airliners.net FAQ says that they reject photos of parts of aircraft anyway.
>
>So that's 2 from 12, but it doesn't explain why the rest would be rejected.
>I can't see any problems with them.
>
>Steve
>

Just got home and checked my email. Oh.. another rejection email from
airliners.net ...oh.. hang on.. that says accepted.. not rejected... 6
.... holy shit!!!

<http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Carsten%20Bauer&distinct_entry=true>

Just when i am about to give up on them, they accept more photos LOL
Yes, the Mauritius 767 had glare, thats cool. I can accept that.

Maybe I was wrong about a.net
Do you think that if i change my non-usm lens to a USM 90-300mm lens,
it'll make any difference?

What about using sports mode on my 300D?
I normally just use P mode.

VH-CBR

09-12-2003, 06:06 AM

VH-CBR

09-12-2003, 06:06 AM

"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:8209tvo6d2499ua0hsprbfij1ng9hck6vt@4ax.com...
> On 08 Dec 2003 13:38:37 GMT, Steven Cook <no@spam.for.me> wrote:

> Just got home and checked my email. Oh.. another rejection email from
> airliners.net ...oh.. hang on.. that says accepted.. not rejected... 6
> ... holy shit!!!

ROFL ... :o) congratulations!

> Maybe I was wrong about a.net

No you're not .. you've just scored a better screener ...

Scott Coutts

10-12-2003, 04:05 PM

What is this airliners.net? Are they a stock agent or just an enthusiast
site? If it's just an entusiast site, then I think it's picky. If it
stock, then I think it matters... this is what I have to say about the
pics. Remember, you asked for possible reasons that they were rejected,
so dont get angry if you think i'm nit-picking.

If I was asked to criticise them then I'd have to say mostly their
compsition is not quite right. It's like the head/feet thing for
portraits. You cant chop 'em off! so if you're shooting a whole plane,
dont chop off it's nose or the tip of it's tail or it's wing tips. This
is the problem I noticed most often in these shots. Some of them also
have the bulk of the plane on one side of the shot.

Also a few of them have too much 'ground' and other unfilled areas. They
could do with a bit of cropping to make the subject fill the frame more.

Several of them have marks that need to be 'healed' in photoshop that
are probably caused by dust flecks on the sensor (diffuse circular blobs
that are sometimes slightly darker around the outside)

Some of them might be rejected because they feature things like barbed
wire in the same shot. This would only matter if it's a stock shot - the
barbed wire would need to be 'saying something' if it was there in the
same shot as a jumbo. If they're not selling them as stock, then I dont
see it as a problem.

A couple of them seem to have window reflections in them. I assume they
were taken from behind glass. If this is the case, then you can avoid it
by using a hood and pressing the hood against the glass. Otherwise, make
a makeshift hood out of a jumper or something like that.

If they're pressed for space, or they get hundreds of entries a day,
then they will be more fussy - yours might be great shots, but others
might be fantastic. I havent looked at the competition. Try submitting
some images to Getty or Corbis - they'll probably tell you to go away
without even opening the files.

Lastly, they might mistake a few things - i.e. if they think the heat
haze is out of focus rather than heat haze, which was mentioned elsewhere.

Ok, that's it. (:

Scott.

Carsten Bauer wrote:

> I've uploaded about 50 photos, maybe more in the past few years, but
> most of them in the last few weeks. I think I have some great shots,
> but airliners.net judges dont seem to think so. A fellow photographer
> uploads 20-50 shots a week, and have most of them accepted.
>
> Is it because I'm new? Because I've had so many rejects?
>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_3B_NAL_1_IMG_0823.j pg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_N724CL_2_IMG_0819.j pg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_A6-EMJ_3_IMG_0792.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_A6-EMJ__1_IMG_0790.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_N724CL_1_IMG_0814.j pg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_MN724CL_IMG_0805.jp g>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_VH-NJY_IMG_0642.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_vh-zzg_IMG_0677.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_VH-OJA_IMG_0662.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=9M-MRA_IMG_0617.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_ZK-NCF_IMG_0629.jpg>
> <http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=VH-NJC_NJR_NJY_numloxx0002.jpg>
>
> These are some of the rejected photos. Can anyone offer me some
> advice? Some Processing tips for Photoshop7?
>
> Thanks.
> Me thinks airliners.net should be renamed to anal.net

Scott Coutts

10-12-2003, 04:15 PM

Carsten Bauer wrote:

> On 08 Dec 2003 13:38:37 GMT, Steven Cook <no@spam.for.me> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Carsten,
>>
>>On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:55:42 +0800, Carsten Bauer <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I've uploaded about 50 photos, maybe more in the past few years, but
>>> most of them in the last few weeks. I think I have some great shots,
>>> but airliners.net judges dont seem to think so. A fellow photographer
>>> uploads 20-50 shots a week, and have most of them accepted.
>>
>>The majority of those photos look great to me. The photo of the Emirates
>>777 touching down is my favourite of the bunch.
>>
>>If we're being pedantic, I can come up with a couple of points. In the Air
>>Mauritius 767, there seems to be a bit of window reflection, especially on
>>the right near the aerobridge. In N724CL_2_IMG_0819.jpg, the tip of the
>>tail is cut off which I think detracts slightly from the image. The
>>airliners.net FAQ says that they reject photos of parts of aircraft anyway.
>>
>>So that's 2 from 12, but it doesn't explain why the rest would be rejected.
>>I can't see any problems with them.
>>
>
> Just got home and checked my email. Oh.. another rejection email from
> airliners.net ...oh.. hang on.. that says accepted.. not rejected... 6
> ... holy shit!!!
>
> <http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?photographersearch=Carsten%20Bauer&distinct_entry=true>
>
> Just when i am about to give up on them, they accept more photos LOL
> Yes, the Mauritius 767 had glare, thats cool. I can accept that.
>

I would definitely say compose them more carefully. All those ones you
have accepted are composed much better than the ones that were rejected.
Also avoid complicating the scene with lots of distracting objects -
given that you cant take the planes out of their environment or move
them, then often you're not going to be able to avoid it. For example,
you have a shot from before that has a stack of buildings, aerials or
some other kinds of poles sticking up behind the plane.

>
> Maybe I was wrong about a.net
> Do you think that if i change my non-usm lens to a USM 90-300mm lens,
> it'll make any difference?
>
> What about using sports mode on my 300D? I normally just use P mode.
>

VH-CBR

10-12-2003, 08:05 PM

"Scott Coutts" <scott.coutts@med.monash.edu.au> wrote in message
news:fNxBb.46784$aT.26834@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> What is this airliners.net? Are they a stock agent or just an enthusiast
> site? If it's just an entusiast site, then I think it's picky. If it
> stock, then I think it matters... this is what I have to say about the
> pics. Remember, you asked for possible reasons that they were rejected,
> so dont get angry if you think i'm nit-picking.

It's neither. It's just another commercial site out there designed to make
money.

Scott Coutts

10-12-2003, 09:55 PM

VH-CBR wrote:

> "Scott Coutts" <scott.coutts@med.monash.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:fNxBb.46784$aT.26834@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>>What is this airliners.net? Are they a stock agent or just an enthusiast
>>site? If it's just an entusiast site, then I think it's picky. If it
>>stock, then I think it matters... this is what I have to say about the
>>pics. Remember, you asked for possible reasons that they were rejected,
>>so dont get angry if you think i'm nit-picking.
>
> It's neither. It's just another commercial site out there designed to make
> money.
>

What's the purpose of it though? Do they sell the pics or just provide a
place for you to keep them? Seems like it would be better to use
photo.net if it's just a place to keep your pics, and better to find an
agent like Alamy if they sell the pics as stock.

Scott.

Chris Robinson

11-12-2003, 01:05 AM

"Carsten Bauer" <spam@iinet.net.au> wrote

> I've uploaded about 50 photos, maybe more in the past few years, but
> most of them in the last few weeks. I think I have some great shots,
> but airliners.net judges dont seem to think so. A fellow photographer
> uploads 20-50 shots a week, and have most of them accepted.
>
> Is it because I'm new? Because I've had so many rejects?
>
>
<http://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=numloxx_3B_NAL_1_IMG
_0823.jpg>

> These are some of the rejected photos. Can anyone offer me some
> advice? Some Processing tips for Photoshop7?

I only looked at this first one (time! time!) and though you've had lots of
replies here's my take on it:

Obviously taken from behind glass. To avoid reflections get as close to the
glass as you can. It's also helpful to cut off camera reflections by using
a large rubber lens hood, or a black cloth. Even better still get outside
if you can. I realise this many not be possible at most large airports
these days.

The image is too large to view in 1024x768 screen mode. Check what
airliners.net requires for submissions as it could be that they expect
something more suitable for www publishing.

The starboard wing is cut off. It depends on how fussy they are about such
things, but I'd call that a biggy.

The background is pretty busy. While there might not be much you can do
about it in this case, maybe they like the aircraft to be more interesting
than the background. :-)

The photo is underexposed; there's no detail in the shadows and things like
the detail of the front tyre are lost against the dark painted concrete. I
know it's basically a white object in full sun, but you might be able to
make better use of the latitude/dynamic range. This is one of those cases
were trusting full auto mode can trip you up. If you have a white object
taking up a large proportion of the frame it could cause -2 stops error in
exposure. In this case it might be a -1 stop error.

My last point is the way the view of the aircraft looks foreshortened by the
angle and the lens. Again it depends on how fussy they are about such
things.

Hope this gives you a few ideas?

Regards,
Chris.