Sell me on why I should use Linux instead of Windows XP Pro

[Ext User(anamigan)]

if you are doing it to learn something
if you need linux features
if you have a reason to no longer use windows
if you want to be more than a "simple" user
if you can dual boot
if you want to get more from your ancient hardware
if you need a linux app

actually, I only proselytize for AmigaOS but as there is no hardware
available at this time for rank newbies I am refraining from doing so.

i've found recently that ubuntu is ftw compared to anything else a
couple of years ago. start there. dual boot for sure.

i run windows and linux on their own quads and my Amiga is 800MHz
ppc. Now i have three responsive machines

[Ext User(Matt)]

Here's a clue for the heretofore uninformed.

It's the OS of the future.

It doesn't necessarily fulfill your needs now, but clearly it works for
some people now:

more than 100,000 Linux systems:
http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/top-news/index.cfm?i=46376&CFID=6584681&CFTOKEN=29317878
> Thu, Jun 21, 2007
> San Diego rolls out laptops with Linux
> Nation’s eighth-largest district turns to open-source software to extend computers to every student
> By Laura Devaney, Associate Editor, eSchool News

20,000:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/01/30/HNpeugeotlinux_1.html
> Peugeot Citroën revs up 20,000 Suse Linux desktops
> Car manufacturer opts to go open-source in what analysts suspect could be indicative of companies seeking to cut costs by eschewing the overly powerful Vista OS
>
> By John Blau, IDG News Service
> January 30, 2007

70,000:
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/102824
> 31.01.2008 17:20
> France's gendarmerie switches to Linux
>
> France's gendarmerie has apparently taken quite a liking to such open source software as Firefox and OpenOffice. Now, there are plans to migrate 70,000 workstations in the country's largest administrative complex to Linux according to a report in the French daily L'Express on Solutions Linux, which is currently taking place in Paris. The computers, which are currently running on Windows XP, are to switch to Ubuntu Linux -- much to the chagrin of French distributor Mandriva.


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America

google for Linux and these:

Czech Post
Macedonian schools
Indiana schools
San Diego Unified School District
Noxon Schools in Montana, USA
Various Public Schools in Portland, Oregon, USA
Munich (LiMux)
Extremadura region of Spain
Schools in South Tyrol Province of Italy
Russian Schools
Postal Service of South Korea
Philippine High Schools
Government Offices of Tamil-Nadu state of India
Elcot of Tamil-Nadu state of India
Paris
French National Tax Agency (Direction Generale des Impots)--all new
projects open source, JBoss, OpenOffice
City of Mannheim, Germany
National Assembly of France
National Police of France
Dutch cities
LIC, India. (life insurance provider) Approximately 60,000 users and
five to six thousand servers will migrate to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
12,500 high schools in Kerala, India
Groupe Laurent: French Car/Trucks/Industry Technical parts distributor
LVM Insurance in Munster, Germany: 7,700 Red Hat Linux desktops.
Banca Popolare di Milano
De Bortoli Wines, Australia
Novell
Solothurn Canton of Switzerland
schools of Geneva Canton of Switzerland (70,000 students)
Friesland county of Germany
Kamloops Thompson School District #73 is comprised of 55 elementary and
secondary schools in British Columbia, Canada.
Schools of New South Wales (NSW), Australia
Skegness Grammar School, Lincolnshire, England
Windsor Unified School District, Windsor, CA

[Ext User(Matt)]

Here's a clue for the heretofore uninformed.

It's the OS of the future.

It doesn't necessarily fulfill your needs now, but clearly it works for
some people now:

more than 100,000 Linux systems:
http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/top-news/index.cfm?i=46376&CFID=6584681&CFTOKEN=29317878
> Thu, Jun 21, 2007
> San Diego rolls out laptops with Linux
> Nation’s eighth-largest district turns to open-source software to extend computers to every student
> By Laura Devaney, Associate Editor, eSchool News

20,000:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/01/30/HNpeugeotlinux_1.html
> Peugeot Citroën revs up 20,000 Suse Linux desktops
> Car manufacturer opts to go open-source in what analysts suspect could be indicative of companies seeking to cut costs by eschewing the overly powerful Vista OS
>
> By John Blau, IDG News Service
> January 30, 2007

70,000:
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/102824
> 31.01.2008 17:20
> France's gendarmerie switches to Linux
>
> France's gendarmerie has apparently taken quite a liking to such open source software as Firefox and OpenOffice. Now, there are plans to migrate 70,000 workstations in the country's largest administrative complex to Linux according to a report in the French daily L'Express on Solutions Linux, which is currently taking place in Paris. The computers, which are currently running on Windows XP, are to switch to Ubuntu Linux -- much to the chagrin of French distributor Mandriva.


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America

google for Linux and these:

Czech Post
Macedonian schools
Indiana schools
San Diego Unified School District
Noxon Schools in Montana, USA
Various Public Schools in Portland, Oregon, USA
Munich (LiMux)
Extremadura region of Spain
Schools in South Tyrol Province of Italy
Russian Schools
Postal Service of South Korea
Philippine High Schools
Government Offices of Tamil-Nadu state of India
Elcot of Tamil-Nadu state of India
Paris
French National Tax Agency (Direction Generale des Impots)--all new
projects open source, JBoss, OpenOffice
City of Mannheim, Germany
National Assembly of France
National Police of France
Dutch cities
LIC, India. (life insurance provider) Approximately 60,000 users and
five to six thousand servers will migrate to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
12,500 high schools in Kerala, India
Groupe Laurent: French Car/Trucks/Industry Technical parts distributor
LVM Insurance in Munster, Germany: 7,700 Red Hat Linux desktops.
Banca Popolare di Milano
De Bortoli Wines, Australia
Novell
Solothurn Canton of Switzerland
schools of Geneva Canton of Switzerland (70,000 students)
Friesland county of Germany
Kamloops Thompson School District #73 is comprised of 55 elementary and
secondary schools in British Columbia, Canada.
Schools of New South Wales (NSW), Australia
Skegness Grammar School, Lincolnshire, England
Windsor Unified School District, Windsor, CA

[Ext User(Matt)]

Dave wrote:
>
> "livefree75" <jpittman2@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:43298694-a1de-4a46-95b5-1e678246ff48@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> <eom>
>
> linux will sell itself. No need to install it, even. Download the live
> distro puppy linux and burn it to CDR, data, multisession. Then boot
> the CDR. This is a full-featured OS that runs from a CD. You can
> install it to a hard drive also, if you want. -Dave


I'm partial to Ubuntu Linux, which also has a live CD. With the Wubi
installer, you can install and run Ubuntu in a subdirectory of your C:
drive. That way you don't have to do any partitioning, which is usually
the most troublesome part of installing Linux for newbies.

[Ext User(John Doe)]

Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:

> Here's a clue for the heretofore uninformed.

Brought to us by a Linux Lunatic.

> It's the OS of the future.

I would agree that open source is the way of the future, but that
doesn't necessarily mean Linux. Besides, users don't care about
operating systems, they care about applications. If the a cares
about which operating system, he has too much time on his hands.

> It doesn't necessarily fulfill your needs now, but clearly it
> works for some people now:

Right, and Windows works for billions and billions now.










--
My in-line street skates.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/2565924423/

Currently filtering out most Google Groups posts/branches.

[Ext User(Matt)]

Dave wrote:
>
> "livefree75" <jpittman2@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:43298694-a1de-4a46-95b5-1e678246ff48@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> <eom>
>
> linux will sell itself. No need to install it, even. Download the live
> distro puppy linux and burn it to CDR, data, multisession. Then boot
> the CDR. This is a full-featured OS that runs from a CD. You can
> install it to a hard drive also, if you want. -Dave


I'm partial to Ubuntu Linux, which also has a live CD. With the Wubi
installer, you can install and run Ubuntu in a subdirectory of your C:
drive. That way you don't have to do any partitioning, which is usually
the most troublesome part of installing Linux for newbies.

[Ext User(John Doe)]

Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:

> Here's a clue for the heretofore uninformed.

Brought to us by a Linux Lunatic.

> It's the OS of the future.

I would agree that open source is the way of the future, but that
doesn't necessarily mean Linux. Besides, users don't care about
operating systems, they care about applications. If the a cares
about which operating system, he has too much time on his hands.

> It doesn't necessarily fulfill your needs now, but clearly it
> works for some people now:

Right, and Windows works for billions and billions now.










--
My in-line street skates.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/2565924423/

Currently filtering out most Google Groups posts/branches.

[Ext User(Matt)]

John Doe wrote:
> Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a clue for the heretofore uninformed.
>
> Brought to us by a Linux Lunatic.


http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9016897370.html

> KDE Linux reaches 52 million Brazilian kids
> Apr. 24, 2008
>
> Brazil's Ministry of Education ("MEC") is installing Linux in labs
used by 52 million schoolchildren, reports KDE developer Mauricio
Piacentini. Piacentini's blog post describes MEC's "Linux Educacional
2.0" as "a very clean Debian-based distribution, with KDE 3.5, KDE-Edu,
KDE-Games, and some tools developed by the project."

> Piacentini says that typical labs use one server and seven satellite
PCs, each of which supports two KVM (keyboard, video, and mouse)
stations. Thus, most labs have 15 available workstations. For labs in
rural locations with limited electricity, a single server can support up
to seven KVMs. There's also a set-up with a large TV monitor for special
needs children. Some 29,000 labs will be completed this year, with
53,000 labs set up by the end of next year.



more than 100,000 Linux systems:
http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/top-news/index.cfm?i=46376&CFID=6584681&CFTOKEN=29317878
> Thu, Jun 21, 2007
> San Diego rolls out laptops with Linux
> Nation’s eighth-largest district turns to open-source software to
extend computers to every student
> By Laura Devaney, Associate Editor, eSchool News

20,000:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/01/30/HNpeugeotlinux_1.html
> Peugeot Citroën revs up 20,000 Suse Linux desktops
> Car manufacturer opts to go open-source in what analysts suspect
could be indicative of companies seeking to cut costs by eschewing the
overly powerful Vista OS
>
> By John Blau, IDG News Service
> January 30, 2007

70,000:
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/102824
> 31.01.2008 17:20
> France's gendarmerie switches to Linux
>
> France's gendarmerie has apparently taken quite a liking to such open
source software as Firefox and OpenOffice. Now, there are plans to
migrate 70,000 workstations in the country's largest administrative
complex to Linux according to a report in the French daily L'Express on
Solutions Linux, which is currently taking place in Paris. The
computers, which are currently running on Windows XP, are to switch to
Ubuntu Linux -- much to the chagrin of French distributor Mandriva.


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America

google for Linux and these:

Czech Post
Macedonian schools
Indiana schools
San Diego Unified School District
Noxon Schools in Montana, USA
Various Public Schools in Portland, Oregon, USA
Munich (LiMux)
Extremadura region of Spain
Schools in South Tyrol Province of Italy
Russian Schools
Postal Service of South Korea
Philippine High Schools
Government Offices of Tamil-Nadu state of India
Elcot of Tamil-Nadu state of India
Paris
French National Tax Agency (Direction Generale des Impots)--all new
projects open source, JBoss, OpenOffice
City of Mannheim, Germany
National Assembly of France
National Police of France
Dutch cities
LIC, India. (life insurance provider) Approximately 60,000 users and
five to six thousand servers will migrate to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
12,500 high schools in Kerala, India
Groupe Laurent: French Car/Trucks/Industry Technical parts distributor
LVM Insurance in Munster, Germany: 7,700 Red Hat Linux desktops.
Banca Popolare di Milano
De Bortoli Wines, Australia
Novell
Solothurn Canton of Switzerland
schools of Geneva Canton of Switzerland (70,000 students)
Friesland county of Germany
Kamloops Thompson School District #73 is comprised of 55 elementary and
secondary schools in British Columbia, Canada.
Schools of New South Wales (NSW), Australia
Skegness Grammar School, Lincolnshire, England
Windsor Unified School District, Windsor, CA

Now post my header.

[Ext User(Matt)]

John Doe wrote:
> Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a clue for the heretofore uninformed.
>
> Brought to us by a Linux Lunatic.


http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9016897370.html

> KDE Linux reaches 52 million Brazilian kids
> Apr. 24, 2008
>
> Brazil's Ministry of Education ("MEC") is installing Linux in labs
used by 52 million schoolchildren, reports KDE developer Mauricio
Piacentini. Piacentini's blog post describes MEC's "Linux Educacional
2.0" as "a very clean Debian-based distribution, with KDE 3.5, KDE-Edu,
KDE-Games, and some tools developed by the project."

> Piacentini says that typical labs use one server and seven satellite
PCs, each of which supports two KVM (keyboard, video, and mouse)
stations. Thus, most labs have 15 available workstations. For labs in
rural locations with limited electricity, a single server can support up
to seven KVMs. There's also a set-up with a large TV monitor for special
needs children. Some 29,000 labs will be completed this year, with
53,000 labs set up by the end of next year.



more than 100,000 Linux systems:
http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/top-news/index.cfm?i=46376&CFID=6584681&CFTOKEN=29317878
> Thu, Jun 21, 2007
> San Diego rolls out laptops with Linux
> Nation’s eighth-largest district turns to open-source software to
extend computers to every student
> By Laura Devaney, Associate Editor, eSchool News

20,000:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/01/30/HNpeugeotlinux_1.html
> Peugeot Citroën revs up 20,000 Suse Linux desktops
> Car manufacturer opts to go open-source in what analysts suspect
could be indicative of companies seeking to cut costs by eschewing the
overly powerful Vista OS
>
> By John Blau, IDG News Service
> January 30, 2007

70,000:
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/102824
> 31.01.2008 17:20
> France's gendarmerie switches to Linux
>
> France's gendarmerie has apparently taken quite a liking to such open
source software as Firefox and OpenOffice. Now, there are plans to
migrate 70,000 workstations in the country's largest administrative
complex to Linux according to a report in the French daily L'Express on
Solutions Linux, which is currently taking place in Paris. The
computers, which are currently running on Windows XP, are to switch to
Ubuntu Linux -- much to the chagrin of French distributor Mandriva.


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America

google for Linux and these:

Czech Post
Macedonian schools
Indiana schools
San Diego Unified School District
Noxon Schools in Montana, USA
Various Public Schools in Portland, Oregon, USA
Munich (LiMux)
Extremadura region of Spain
Schools in South Tyrol Province of Italy
Russian Schools
Postal Service of South Korea
Philippine High Schools
Government Offices of Tamil-Nadu state of India
Elcot of Tamil-Nadu state of India
Paris
French National Tax Agency (Direction Generale des Impots)--all new
projects open source, JBoss, OpenOffice
City of Mannheim, Germany
National Assembly of France
National Police of France
Dutch cities
LIC, India. (life insurance provider) Approximately 60,000 users and
five to six thousand servers will migrate to Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
12,500 high schools in Kerala, India
Groupe Laurent: French Car/Trucks/Industry Technical parts distributor
LVM Insurance in Munster, Germany: 7,700 Red Hat Linux desktops.
Banca Popolare di Milano
De Bortoli Wines, Australia
Novell
Solothurn Canton of Switzerland
schools of Geneva Canton of Switzerland (70,000 students)
Friesland county of Germany
Kamloops Thompson School District #73 is comprised of 55 elementary and
secondary schools in British Columbia, Canada.
Schools of New South Wales (NSW), Australia
Skegness Grammar School, Lincolnshire, England
Windsor Unified School District, Windsor, CA

Now post my header.

[Ext User(GMAN)]

In article <485a7671$0$31734$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Hopper_=2811=29_5=2E_=3F?=
<boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>GMAN wrote:
>> In article <4858fcb4$0$30212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Hopper_=2811=29_5=2E_=3F?=
>> <boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>> livefree75 wrote:
>>>> <eom>
>>> No blue screens, no rebooting every 2 seconds when updating, no money,
>>> no cost, no bother, no restrictions, no license needed, use on multiple
>>> machines at no cost, millions of free applications to go with it, runs
>>> for years without a reboot. If you look at the Microsoft help sites,
>>> Windows is no bundle of joy for most people. Of course if you can't make
>>> Windows work you might have trouble with something else like Linux,
>>> FreeBSD, openSolaris or the other free nix flavors available for free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I have a windows XP Pro system that i havent rebooted in 4 years.
>>
>I guess you haven't done a Windows update in 4 years then.
>
Ths PC does folding@home and no i do not have it set to do automatic updates.
I just was stating that it has never faultered or rebooted due to a crash. XP
has been rock stable on that machine . Its a P4P800 Deluxe, 2 GB ram, 160GB
hard drive, ATI 9800 Pro video.

[Ext User(GMAN)]

In article <485a7671$0$31734$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Hopper_=2811=29_5=2E_=3F?=
<boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>GMAN wrote:
>> In article <4858fcb4$0$30212$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Hopper_=2811=29_5=2E_=3F?=
>> <boobooililililil@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>> livefree75 wrote:
>>>> <eom>
>>> No blue screens, no rebooting every 2 seconds when updating, no money,
>>> no cost, no bother, no restrictions, no license needed, use on multiple
>>> machines at no cost, millions of free applications to go with it, runs
>>> for years without a reboot. If you look at the Microsoft help sites,
>>> Windows is no bundle of joy for most people. Of course if you can't make
>>> Windows work you might have trouble with something else like Linux,
>>> FreeBSD, openSolaris or the other free nix flavors available for free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I have a windows XP Pro system that i havent rebooted in 4 years.
>>
>I guess you haven't done a Windows update in 4 years then.
>
Ths PC does folding@home and no i do not have it set to do automatic updates.
I just was stating that it has never faultered or rebooted due to a crash. XP
has been rock stable on that machine . Its a P4P800 Deluxe, 2 GB ram, 160GB
hard drive, ATI 9800 Pro video.

[Ext User(Conor)]

In article <23G6k.9718$xP2.1404@fe099.usenetserver.com>, Matt says...

> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America
>
> google for Linux and these:
>
<snip>
Now take a look at how many governments and governmental institutions
have switched BACK to Windows.


--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

[Ext User(Conor)]

In article <23G6k.9718$xP2.1404@fe099.usenetserver.com>, Matt says...

> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America
>
> google for Linux and these:
>
<snip>
Now take a look at how many governments and governmental institutions
have switched BACK to Windows.


--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

[Ext User(Mike Easter)]

livefree75 wrote:
>"Mike Easter"

>> I see that a googlegrouper GG tried to post a question/message but
>> didn't know how to create a message body which unambiguously stated
>> the premise and the question, followed by creating a very brief
>> subject title for the message body.
>
> OK, well, my subject pretty much said it all. Why restate it in the
> message body?

You are confusing the 'purpose' and structure and method of making a
message and a subject.

The idea is to make a good message/question in the message body, whose
basis is substantiated or explained in that message body. When you get
'all mixed up' about where you are supposed to create the
message/question, it interferes with your ability to create a good basis
and a good question and putting that question and its basis into the
message body where the question is going to be answered.

When someone answers a question which appears in a new thread, they are
going to be answering it in the body of the message, so the question needs
to be 'down there' in the message body to provide the context for the
answer which is (going to be) given -- else the answerer has to copy and
paste the Subject down into the body for the context to answer it. Or,
said another way, they aren't going to be answering the question up there
in the subject, so how are the essential elements of the question going to
get down into the body where the answerer can answer them? Either the
answerer has to copy and paste the misplaced question into the body -- or
something.

The subject is the wrong place to be asking a question. A question in the
subject has no premise, and it makes it 'stupid' to restate the question
in the body. The subject is *NOT* a part of the body.

A proper question should be 'well structured' and in a complete sentence.
A proper subject should *NOT* be the question, but instead a proper
subject should be a 'title' -- not a complete sentence - which reflects
the content of the body of the message, which should develop the question
much better than is possible by trying to 'make' a subject/question.

While it may be appropriate to 'repeat' or say over some words which have
appeared in the message body, it isn't appropriate or best to repeat
entire sentences or questions in the subject.

If you had properly framed and structured your question in the body, the
subject could have been something very brief, like "Why Linux?". But in
your 'effort' to put the question into the subject, you shortchanged the
question and as a result you didn't even do a good job of framing the 'why
linux' issue, because you didn't define your position properly.

> I guess condescendingly

Why is it that everyone who discovers that something someone else knows or
says is beyond what they are knowing, that they think that that person's
saying of it is 'condescending'. If you mean to say, you are expressing
something which is 'beyond me' -- just say that. Don't pretend that
anything which is 'beyond you' is condescending. Right now, how to
make/create a message body and a subject is beyond you -- does that make
its explanation or elaboration 'condescending'?

Briefly, the best way to make a new message is to create the message body
first, using complete sentences, and then when the proper body and
question have been created, to make a very brief subject title - not a
complete sentence - about the message.

> informing other users of the arbitrary "rules"
> of usenet, and perusing the message headers to figure out what server
> their e-mails come from makes one feel better about themselves, huh?

I looked at your message headers to determine a likely answer to why you
were foolishly using GG instead of a newsreader to read and post to
usenet. The Ratheon issue isn't even a good enough answer, if we need to
go into all that.

> Got me stumped on the home service provider detection though - gotta
> hand it to you.

That's not important, except to say that you can use a newsreader and a
newsserver to read and post to usenet whether you are at Raytheon (most
likely) or using your home comcast connectivity. In both cases it would
be better than using GG.


--
Mike Easter

[Ext User(Conor)]

In article <MPG.22c5f364d40b24e9896e0@news.enta.net>, Conor says...
> In article <23G6k.9718$xP2.1404@fe099.usenetserver.com>, Matt says...
>
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America
> >
> > google for Linux and these:
> >
> <snip>
> Now take a look at how many governments and governmental institutions
> have switched BACK to Windows.
>
Why Linux sux...

Whilst the Windows world downloads the Firefox 3 installer, executes it
and all is well, here's what you have to do in Linux because Mozillas
instructions will only give you an installation that works for that
user account as they instruct you to download it to your home directory
and install and run it there, in the "~/firefox/" directory that's
created automatically when you unpack the firefox-3.0.tar.bz2
distribution file.


How to install Firefox 3 in Linux so everyone can use it on a
computer..


1. Download the Firefox 3 Linux distribution file to your home
directory " /home/userid". (Specify your home directory without the
quotes. Replace userid with your user-id.)
2. Open a bash command shell console window. On the KDE desktop
there's one in the Tools menu called "Konsole".
3. Backup your Firefox profile.
cd /home/userid/.mozilla
mkdir ./backup
cp -a ./firefox/* ./backup/
Note the periods (dots) in those commands. The one in front of
"mozilla" identifies that as a "hidden" subdirectory under your home
directory and the ones before the slashes make the copy command operate
on the "firefox" and " backup" subdirectories under the ".mozilla"
directory.
4. Get into root mode and copy the Firefox 3 Linux distribution file
to " /usr/local/".
su
cd /usr/local
cp -a /home/userid/firefox-3.0.tar.bz2 ./
Again, mind the period (dot) before the final slash that
specifies the copy operation destination. If you leave that out, you'll
copy the file to your root directory instead of /usr/local.
5. Extract the distribution file.
tar -xjf firefox-3.0.tar.bz2
The tar command will automatically create a "firefox"
subdirectory under your /usr/local directory and unpack all the Firefox
3 files under that. After you unpack the distribution file you can
delete it.
rm firefox-3.0.tar.bz2
6. Go back to your home directory and copy your Firefox plugins.
cd /home/userid
cp -a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* /usr/local/firefox/plugins/
If your firefox plugins aren't in the "/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins"
directory you'll need to find their location and copy them from there.
7. Create a menu entry for Firefox 3. On the KDE desktop there's a
Menu Editor in the Tools menu.
Open the Menu Editor.
Click on the Internet submenu.
Click on File and New Item. (Don't type in the quote marks
below.)
Type in the Name, "Firefox 3".
Type in the Command, "/usr/local/firefox/firefox %u"
Type in the Work Path, "/usr/local/firefox/"
Click on the Icon graphic and select the Mozilla Firefox icon.


And they wonder why people go back to Windows...


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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

[Ext User(Mike Easter)]

Conor wrote:

> How to install Firefox 3 in Linux so everyone can use it on a
> computer..

Even before the FF3 final release was available for dl, I downloaded the
earlier release versions to install in my Win2K system and I also
installed the pre-release in various linux distros. There was not and is
still not a FF3 v. available for my W98se systems (like there is for
Opera), but we can compare the W2K and XP and Vista lackadaisical install
method with the linux repository and package management method.

The process for my installing the pre-release versions into my Ubuntu
linux distro was even simpler and better than the method for installing it
into the W2K system because the pre-release v. called Gran Paradiso was
part of the Ub repositories.

So, a much healthier method of installing the Gran Paradiso pre-install
was available because the package managment system for linux is much
healthier than the MS method of installation managment.

There are some situations in which it is more 'tedious' to install a linux
app than a win app, but there are some situations in which it is more
'reckless' to install a win app than a linux app, because the 'integrity'
of the win app installation doesn't look after the same issues that
various linux package managment methods look after.

Also, in case you haven't been keeping up with the advances in linux app
installations and package management, it is long past time for you to
bring yourself up-to-date, or else you are going to be explaining things
to people about how something works in linux that isn't accurate.


--
Mike Easter

[Ext User(Mike Easter)]

livefree75 wrote:
>"Mike Easter"

>> I see that a googlegrouper GG tried to post a question/message but
>> didn't know how to create a message body which unambiguously stated
>> the premise and the question, followed by creating a very brief
>> subject title for the message body.
>
> OK, well, my subject pretty much said it all. Why restate it in the
> message body?

You are confusing the 'purpose' and structure and method of making a
message and a subject.

The idea is to make a good message/question in the message body, whose
basis is substantiated or explained in that message body. When you get
'all mixed up' about where you are supposed to create the
message/question, it interferes with your ability to create a good basis
and a good question and putting that question and its basis into the
message body where the question is going to be answered.

When someone answers a question which appears in a new thread, they are
going to be answering it in the body of the message, so the question needs
to be 'down there' in the message body to provide the context for the
answer which is (going to be) given -- else the answerer has to copy and
paste the Subject down into the body for the context to answer it. Or,
said another way, they aren't going to be answering the question up there
in the subject, so how are the essential elements of the question going to
get down into the body where the answerer can answer them? Either the
answerer has to copy and paste the misplaced question into the body -- or
something.

The subject is the wrong place to be asking a question. A question in the
subject has no premise, and it makes it 'stupid' to restate the question
in the body. The subject is *NOT* a part of the body.

A proper question should be 'well structured' and in a complete sentence.
A proper subject should *NOT* be the question, but instead a proper
subject should be a 'title' -- not a complete sentence - which reflects
the content of the body of the message, which should develop the question
much better than is possible by trying to 'make' a subject/question.

While it may be appropriate to 'repeat' or say over some words which have
appeared in the message body, it isn't appropriate or best to repeat
entire sentences or questions in the subject.

If you had properly framed and structured your question in the body, the
subject could have been something very brief, like "Why Linux?". But in
your 'effort' to put the question into the subject, you shortchanged the
question and as a result you didn't even do a good job of framing the 'why
linux' issue, because you didn't define your position properly.

> I guess condescendingly

Why is it that everyone who discovers that something someone else knows or
says is beyond what they are knowing, that they think that that person's
saying of it is 'condescending'. If you mean to say, you are expressing
something which is 'beyond me' -- just say that. Don't pretend that
anything which is 'beyond you' is condescending. Right now, how to
make/create a message body and a subject is beyond you -- does that make
its explanation or elaboration 'condescending'?

Briefly, the best way to make a new message is to create the message body
first, using complete sentences, and then when the proper body and
question have been created, to make a very brief subject title - not a
complete sentence - about the message.

> informing other users of the arbitrary "rules"
> of usenet, and perusing the message headers to figure out what server
> their e-mails come from makes one feel better about themselves, huh?

I looked at your message headers to determine a likely answer to why you
were foolishly using GG instead of a newsreader to read and post to
usenet. The Ratheon issue isn't even a good enough answer, if we need to
go into all that.

> Got me stumped on the home service provider detection though - gotta
> hand it to you.

That's not important, except to say that you can use a newsreader and a
newsserver to read and post to usenet whether you are at Raytheon (most
likely) or using your home comcast connectivity. In both cases it would
be better than using GG.


--
Mike Easter

[Ext User(Conor)]

In article <MPG.22c5f364d40b24e9896e0@news.enta.net>, Conor says...
> In article <23G6k.9718$xP2.1404@fe099.usenetserver.com>, Matt says...
>
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America
> >
> > google for Linux and these:
> >
> <snip>
> Now take a look at how many governments and governmental institutions
> have switched BACK to Windows.
>
Why Linux sux...

Whilst the Windows world downloads the Firefox 3 installer, executes it
and all is well, here's what you have to do in Linux because Mozillas
instructions will only give you an installation that works for that
user account as they instruct you to download it to your home directory
and install and run it there, in the "~/firefox/" directory that's
created automatically when you unpack the firefox-3.0.tar.bz2
distribution file.


How to install Firefox 3 in Linux so everyone can use it on a
computer..


1. Download the Firefox 3 Linux distribution file to your home
directory " /home/userid". (Specify your home directory without the
quotes. Replace userid with your user-id.)
2. Open a bash command shell console window. On the KDE desktop
there's one in the Tools menu called "Konsole".
3. Backup your Firefox profile.
cd /home/userid/.mozilla
mkdir ./backup
cp -a ./firefox/* ./backup/
Note the periods (dots) in those commands. The one in front of
"mozilla" identifies that as a "hidden" subdirectory under your home
directory and the ones before the slashes make the copy command operate
on the "firefox" and " backup" subdirectories under the ".mozilla"
directory.
4. Get into root mode and copy the Firefox 3 Linux distribution file
to " /usr/local/".
su
cd /usr/local
cp -a /home/userid/firefox-3.0.tar.bz2 ./
Again, mind the period (dot) before the final slash that
specifies the copy operation destination. If you leave that out, you'll
copy the file to your root directory instead of /usr/local.
5. Extract the distribution file.
tar -xjf firefox-3.0.tar.bz2
The tar command will automatically create a "firefox"
subdirectory under your /usr/local directory and unpack all the Firefox
3 files under that. After you unpack the distribution file you can
delete it.
rm firefox-3.0.tar.bz2
6. Go back to your home directory and copy your Firefox plugins.
cd /home/userid
cp -a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* /usr/local/firefox/plugins/
If your firefox plugins aren't in the "/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins"
directory you'll need to find their location and copy them from there.
7. Create a menu entry for Firefox 3. On the KDE desktop there's a
Menu Editor in the Tools menu.
Open the Menu Editor.
Click on the Internet submenu.
Click on File and New Item. (Don't type in the quote marks
below.)
Type in the Name, "Firefox 3".
Type in the Command, "/usr/local/firefox/firefox %u"
Type in the Work Path, "/usr/local/firefox/"
Click on the Icon graphic and select the Mozilla Firefox icon.


And they wonder why people go back to Windows...


--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

[Ext User(Mike Easter)]

Conor wrote:

> How to install Firefox 3 in Linux so everyone can use it on a
> computer..

Even before the FF3 final release was available for dl, I downloaded the
earlier release versions to install in my Win2K system and I also
installed the pre-release in various linux distros. There was not and is
still not a FF3 v. available for my W98se systems (like there is for
Opera), but we can compare the W2K and XP and Vista lackadaisical install
method with the linux repository and package management method.

The process for my installing the pre-release versions into my Ubuntu
linux distro was even simpler and better than the method for installing it
into the W2K system because the pre-release v. called Gran Paradiso was
part of the Ub repositories.

So, a much healthier method of installing the Gran Paradiso pre-install
was available because the package managment system for linux is much
healthier than the MS method of installation managment.

There are some situations in which it is more 'tedious' to install a linux
app than a win app, but there are some situations in which it is more
'reckless' to install a win app than a linux app, because the 'integrity'
of the win app installation doesn't look after the same issues that
various linux package managment methods look after.

Also, in case you haven't been keeping up with the advances in linux app
installations and package management, it is long past time for you to
bring yourself up-to-date, or else you are going to be explaining things
to people about how something works in linux that isn't accurate.


--
Mike Easter

[Ext User(Matt)]

Conor wrote:
> In article <23G6k.9718$xP2.1404@fe099.usenetserver.com>, Matt says...
>
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments#North_America
>>
>> google for Linux and these:
>>
> <snip>
> Now take a look at how many governments and governmental institutions
> have switched BACK to Windows.


Bergen, Norway
Vienna, Austria
Massachusetts

canceled plans for Linux migration, if that's what you mean.

A Baptist school for girls in Australia was on Linux for several years
and switched back. That is the only case I know of where an institution
went with Linux for a year or more, then switched back. I attribute it
to bad luck and an extraordinarily low geek index at the school.

Please inform me of others.

Really those cases look kind of puny against all the schools that are
going Linux.