Sell me on why I should use Linux instead of Windows XP Pro

[Ext User(Dave)]

On 05 Jul 2008 00:48:18 GMT
Jim <chief_jim@go.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:58:39 +0800, Dave wrote:
>
> > That is, linux is getting easier to install, configure, use, modify,
> > etc. Meanwhile, windows keeps regressing, getting harder to do
> > everything.
> >
>
> Dave, this thread has been quite amusing. Starting with the title
> "Sell me on why I should use Linux instead of Windows XP Pro".
>
> Perhaps the time has come where a new thread should be spun off. Why
> should I use any Windows OS instead of Linux?.

I'm an EX IT Manager who managed somehow to marry a woman who knows
like literally nothing about computers. At various times over the
years we've been together, I have set up her system to run linux for
her. I've never had to explain to her how to use it, linux is just
intuitive enough.

Recently, I was talking with her about buying one of those Asus eeepc
(or however you spell it) ultra portable thingies for myself for use on
the road. After I'd described it to her, she said that SHE wanted one.
I reminded her that it runs linux. Now she REALLY wants one, because it
runs linux!

It's just interesting to me that someone who knows nothing about
computers (like the average computer user, ha ha) has played around
with linux just enough to conclude that linux is a GOOD thing. :)

Now watch someone respond, "yeah, but YOU install linux for her". That
would be a good point, except that the last time I installed linux on a
hard drive, it took less than five minutes. That is with all hardware
components and peripherals working correctly and all applications
installed and working correctly and working cooperatively. Most
reading this should KNOW how long it would take to get a computer to a
similar setup point starting with installing any version of Microsoft
Windows. You'd work all weekend on it and still be scratching your
head on Monday. That's assuming you had half a clue to start with, ha
ha. :)

If people like my wife start loving linux, Microsoft is simply DONE.
Stick a fork in em...

>
> So far the strongest arguments I've read center around gaming.

Yup. All we need is a few major games software publishers to start
porting to linux. Then kiss Mickeysoft bye-bye. -Dave

[Ext User(John Doe)]

Dave <noway nohow.not> wrote:

<snipped other nonsense>

> Yup. All we need is a few major games software publishers to
> start porting to linux. Then kiss Mickeysoft bye-bye. -Dave

"Somewhere... over the rainbow... la la la"











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[Ext User(John Doe)]

Dave <noway nohow.not> wrote:

<snipped other nonsense>

> Yup. All we need is a few major games software publishers to
> start porting to linux. Then kiss Mickeysoft bye-bye. -Dave

"Somewhere... over the rainbow... la la la"











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[Ext User(Jim)]

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:56:36 +0800, Dave wrote:

>
> I'm an EX IT Manager who managed somehow to marry a woman who knows like
> literally nothing about computers. At various times over the years
> we've been together, I have set up her system to run linux for her.
> I've never had to explain to her how to use it, linux is just intuitive
> enough.
>
> Recently, I was talking with her about buying one of those Asus eeepc
> (or however you spell it) ultra portable thingies for myself for use on
> the road. After I'd described it to her, she said that SHE wanted one. I
> reminded her that it runs linux. Now she REALLY wants one, because it
> runs linux!
>

That Asus Eeepc certainly is one neat machine. One friend of mine got it
and found the Xandros distribution quite easy to use. That said she
admitted being more familiar with PCLinuxOS.

Couple days later I visited with a USB thumbdrive on which I had
installed EeePCLinuxOS. 30 seconds later she had her familiar layout
with all the repository benefits. Even has the ability to save files
created back to the thumbdrive.

Like a Live CD once I shut down and removed the drive the system was back
as it was originally.

Yesterday she hosted a 4th of July BBQ. Several others present first
thought it was a joke. Too small, tiny keys, etc., etc. After it got
passed around and they discovered it was a real computer they were
hooked. My guess is Newegg will be getting their business very soon.

[Ext User(Jim)]

On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:56:36 +0800, Dave wrote:

>
> I'm an EX IT Manager who managed somehow to marry a woman who knows like
> literally nothing about computers. At various times over the years
> we've been together, I have set up her system to run linux for her.
> I've never had to explain to her how to use it, linux is just intuitive
> enough.
>
> Recently, I was talking with her about buying one of those Asus eeepc
> (or however you spell it) ultra portable thingies for myself for use on
> the road. After I'd described it to her, she said that SHE wanted one. I
> reminded her that it runs linux. Now she REALLY wants one, because it
> runs linux!
>

That Asus Eeepc certainly is one neat machine. One friend of mine got it
and found the Xandros distribution quite easy to use. That said she
admitted being more familiar with PCLinuxOS.

Couple days later I visited with a USB thumbdrive on which I had
installed EeePCLinuxOS. 30 seconds later she had her familiar layout
with all the repository benefits. Even has the ability to save files
created back to the thumbdrive.

Like a Live CD once I shut down and removed the drive the system was back
as it was originally.

Yesterday she hosted a 4th of July BBQ. Several others present first
thought it was a joke. Too small, tiny keys, etc., etc. After it got
passed around and they discovered it was a real computer they were
hooked. My guess is Newegg will be getting their business very soon.

[Ext User(Dave)]

>
> That Asus Eeepc certainly is one neat machine. One friend of mine
> got it and found the Xandros distribution quite easy to use. That
> said she admitted being more familiar with PCLinuxOS.
>
> Couple days later I visited with a USB thumbdrive on which I had
> installed EeePCLinuxOS. 30 seconds later she had her familiar layout
> with all the repository benefits. Even has the ability to save files
> created back to the thumbdrive.
>
> Like a Live CD once I shut down and removed the drive the system was
> back as it was originally.
>
> Yesterday she hosted a 4th of July BBQ. Several others present first
> thought it was a joke. Too small, tiny keys, etc., etc. After it
> got passed around and they discovered it was a real computer they
> were hooked. My guess is Newegg will be getting their business very
> soon.
>

Cool. Good info. I've thought of installing puppy to a USB
thumbdrive. Haven't tried it. But it would be ultra-cool to have
puppy on an eeepc. Then again, I haven't tried xandros, maybe I'd be
happy with it the way it is. -Dave

[Ext User(Dave)]

>
> That Asus Eeepc certainly is one neat machine. One friend of mine
> got it and found the Xandros distribution quite easy to use. That
> said she admitted being more familiar with PCLinuxOS.
>
> Couple days later I visited with a USB thumbdrive on which I had
> installed EeePCLinuxOS. 30 seconds later she had her familiar layout
> with all the repository benefits. Even has the ability to save files
> created back to the thumbdrive.
>
> Like a Live CD once I shut down and removed the drive the system was
> back as it was originally.
>
> Yesterday she hosted a 4th of July BBQ. Several others present first
> thought it was a joke. Too small, tiny keys, etc., etc. After it
> got passed around and they discovered it was a real computer they
> were hooked. My guess is Newegg will be getting their business very
> soon.
>

Cool. Good info. I've thought of installing puppy to a USB
thumbdrive. Haven't tried it. But it would be ultra-cool to have
puppy on an eeepc. Then again, I haven't tried xandros, maybe I'd be
happy with it the way it is. -Dave

[Ext User(Matt)]

Benjamin Gawert wrote:
> * Matt:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative
>
> So you want to tell me you didn't know what "derivative" means and that
> you had to look it up?
>
>> According to the following site, Linux usage as measured by browser
>> hits has roughly doubled in the past year. Meanwhile, Windows has
>> lost about 2.5 percent of its usage share and Mac is up one third. If
>> that were true, would you say it was insignificant?
>>
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9
>
> Yeah, right, browser hits statistics. It's no rocket science to know why
> these statistics are pointless as they never ever show anything close
> representative. The results are affected by the kind and number of web
> sites that were analyzed, and today with lots of people changing their
> browser ID strings (my windows browsers easily can look like
> Mozilla/Linux, Safair/Mac OX or Konqueror or whatever to the web server)
> these statistics are just BS.
>
> All this statistics shows you what ID strings were feed back to the web
> server of the handful sites that they analyzed.
>
> Benjamin


The accuracy of the web-hit statistics is an important issue.

But you didn't answer my question: if the numbers are accurate, would it
be significant?

[Ext User(Matt)]

Benjamin Gawert wrote:
> * Matt:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative
>
> So you want to tell me you didn't know what "derivative" means and that
> you had to look it up?
>
>> According to the following site, Linux usage as measured by browser
>> hits has roughly doubled in the past year. Meanwhile, Windows has
>> lost about 2.5 percent of its usage share and Mac is up one third. If
>> that were true, would you say it was insignificant?
>>
>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9
>
> Yeah, right, browser hits statistics. It's no rocket science to know why
> these statistics are pointless as they never ever show anything close
> representative. The results are affected by the kind and number of web
> sites that were analyzed, and today with lots of people changing their
> browser ID strings (my windows browsers easily can look like
> Mozilla/Linux, Safair/Mac OX or Konqueror or whatever to the web server)
> these statistics are just BS.
>
> All this statistics shows you what ID strings were feed back to the web
> server of the handful sites that they analyzed.
>
> Benjamin


The accuracy of the web-hit statistics is an important issue.

But you didn't answer my question: if the numbers are accurate, would it
be significant?

[Ext User(Matt)]

Benjamin Gawert wrote:

>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9
>
> Yeah, right, browser hits statistics. It's no rocket science to know why
> these statistics are pointless as they never ever show anything close
> representative. The results are affected by the kind and number of web
> sites that were analyzed, and today with lots of people changing their
> browser ID strings (my windows browsers easily can look like
> Mozilla/Linux, Safair/Mac OX or Konqueror or whatever to the web server)
> these statistics are just BS.
>
> All this statistics shows you what ID strings were feed back to the web
> server of the handful sites that they analyzed.
>
> Benjamin


Oh yeah, I've heard there are just so many Windows and Mac users on the
web disguising themselves as Linux users.

What?

[Ext User(Matt)]

Benjamin Gawert wrote:

>> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9
>
> Yeah, right, browser hits statistics. It's no rocket science to know why
> these statistics are pointless as they never ever show anything close
> representative. The results are affected by the kind and number of web
> sites that were analyzed, and today with lots of people changing their
> browser ID strings (my windows browsers easily can look like
> Mozilla/Linux, Safair/Mac OX or Konqueror or whatever to the web server)
> these statistics are just BS.
>
> All this statistics shows you what ID strings were feed back to the web
> server of the handful sites that they analyzed.
>
> Benjamin


Oh yeah, I've heard there are just so many Windows and Mac users on the
web disguising themselves as Linux users.

What?

[Ext User(John Doe)]

Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:

<snipped lots of Linux spam>

> Now post my header.

I did, as spam. You're trying to sell something mainstream PC users
cannot use.

[Ext User(John Doe)]

Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:

<snipped lots of Linux spam>

> Now post my header.

I did, as spam. You're trying to sell something mainstream PC users
cannot use.

[Ext User(Mark)]

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:56:36 +0800, Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:

>On 05 Jul 2008 00:48:18 GMT
>Jim <chief_jim@go.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:58:39 +0800, Dave wrote:
>>
>> > That is, linux is getting easier to install, configure, use, modify,
>> > etc. Meanwhile, windows keeps regressing, getting harder to do
>> > everything.
>> >
>>
>> Dave, this thread has been quite amusing. Starting with the title
>> "Sell me on why I should use Linux instead of Windows XP Pro".
>>
>> Perhaps the time has come where a new thread should be spun off. Why
>> should I use any Windows OS instead of Linux?.
>
>I'm an EX IT Manager who managed somehow to marry a woman who knows
>like literally nothing about computers. At various times over the
>years we've been together, I have set up her system to run linux for
>her. I've never had to explain to her how to use it, linux is just
>intuitive enough.
>
>Recently, I was talking with her about buying one of those Asus eeepc
>(or however you spell it) ultra portable thingies for myself for use on
>the road. After I'd described it to her, she said that SHE wanted one.
>I reminded her that it runs linux. Now she REALLY wants one, because it
>runs linux!
>
>It's just interesting to me that someone who knows nothing about
>computers (like the average computer user, ha ha) has played around
>with linux just enough to conclude that linux is a GOOD thing. :)

It just goes to show that people like what they're used to. Microsoft
know this and that's why they have ensured that Windoze is installed
on almost every PC sold.

>Now watch someone respond, "yeah, but YOU install linux for her". That
>would be a good point, except that the last time I installed linux on a
>hard drive, it took less than five minutes. That is with all hardware
>components and peripherals working correctly and all applications
>installed and working correctly and working cooperatively. Most
>reading this should KNOW how long it would take to get a computer to a
>similar setup point starting with installing any version of Microsoft
>Windows. You'd work all weekend on it and still be scratching your
>head on Monday. That's assuming you had half a clue to start with, ha
>ha. :)
>
>If people like my wife start loving linux, Microsoft is simply DONE.
>Stick a fork in em...
>>
>> So far the strongest arguments I've read center around gaming.
>
>Yup. All we need is a few major games software publishers to start
>porting to linux. Then kiss Mickeysoft bye-bye. -Dave

That would be nice. ;-)

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[Ext User(Mark)]

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:56:36 +0800, Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:

>On 05 Jul 2008 00:48:18 GMT
>Jim <chief_jim@go.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:58:39 +0800, Dave wrote:
>>
>> > That is, linux is getting easier to install, configure, use, modify,
>> > etc. Meanwhile, windows keeps regressing, getting harder to do
>> > everything.
>> >
>>
>> Dave, this thread has been quite amusing. Starting with the title
>> "Sell me on why I should use Linux instead of Windows XP Pro".
>>
>> Perhaps the time has come where a new thread should be spun off. Why
>> should I use any Windows OS instead of Linux?.
>
>I'm an EX IT Manager who managed somehow to marry a woman who knows
>like literally nothing about computers. At various times over the
>years we've been together, I have set up her system to run linux for
>her. I've never had to explain to her how to use it, linux is just
>intuitive enough.
>
>Recently, I was talking with her about buying one of those Asus eeepc
>(or however you spell it) ultra portable thingies for myself for use on
>the road. After I'd described it to her, she said that SHE wanted one.
>I reminded her that it runs linux. Now she REALLY wants one, because it
>runs linux!
>
>It's just interesting to me that someone who knows nothing about
>computers (like the average computer user, ha ha) has played around
>with linux just enough to conclude that linux is a GOOD thing. :)

It just goes to show that people like what they're used to. Microsoft
know this and that's why they have ensured that Windoze is installed
on almost every PC sold.

>Now watch someone respond, "yeah, but YOU install linux for her". That
>would be a good point, except that the last time I installed linux on a
>hard drive, it took less than five minutes. That is with all hardware
>components and peripherals working correctly and all applications
>installed and working correctly and working cooperatively. Most
>reading this should KNOW how long it would take to get a computer to a
>similar setup point starting with installing any version of Microsoft
>Windows. You'd work all weekend on it and still be scratching your
>head on Monday. That's assuming you had half a clue to start with, ha
>ha. :)
>
>If people like my wife start loving linux, Microsoft is simply DONE.
>Stick a fork in em...
>>
>> So far the strongest arguments I've read center around gaming.
>
>Yup. All we need is a few major games software publishers to start
>porting to linux. Then kiss Mickeysoft bye-bye. -Dave

That would be nice. ;-)

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[Ext User(Matt)]

Benjamin Gawert wrote:
> * Matt:
>
>>> Ok. Then tell me how do another say 500000 new Linux computers
>>> running OpenOffice help to develop new software for Linux?
>>>
>>> The question is valid because that's what the majority of Linux
>>> desktops you mentioned are used for: generic office tasks.
>>
>> It is a silly question for one desktop or a million. But the question
>> is more than a million times sillier for a million desktops than it is
>> for one desktop. If you still don't understand, say so, and I will
>> give a less cryptic answer. Really, though, you ought to be able to
>> give the answer yourself.
>
> So in short you don't have a damn clue.


I think you are ignorant of the facts of Linux adoption.

[Ext User(Matt)]

Benjamin Gawert wrote:
> * Matt:
>
>>> Ok. Then tell me how do another say 500000 new Linux computers
>>> running OpenOffice help to develop new software for Linux?
>>>
>>> The question is valid because that's what the majority of Linux
>>> desktops you mentioned are used for: generic office tasks.
>>
>> It is a silly question for one desktop or a million. But the question
>> is more than a million times sillier for a million desktops than it is
>> for one desktop. If you still don't understand, say so, and I will
>> give a less cryptic answer. Really, though, you ought to be able to
>> give the answer yourself.
>
> So in short you don't have a damn clue.


I think you are ignorant of the facts of Linux adoption.

[Ext User(John Doe)]

Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:

> Benjamin Gawert wrote:
>> * Matt:
>>
>>>> Ok. Then tell me how do another say 500000 new Linux computers
>>>> running OpenOffice help to develop new software for Linux?
>>>>
>>>> The question is valid because that's what the majority of Linux
>>>> desktops you mentioned are used for: generic office tasks.
>>>
>>> It is a silly question for one desktop or a million. But the
>>> question is more than a million times sillier for a million
>>> desktops than it is for one desktop. If you still don't
>>> understand, say so, and I will give a less cryptic answer.
>>> Really, though, you ought to be able to give the answer
>>> yourself.
>>
>> So in short you don't have a damn clue.
>
>
> I think you are ignorant of the facts of Linux adoption.

Even though I realize that arguing anything with a Linux Lunatic is
an exercise in futility, would you like to go to various stores and
see what's available for windows versus Linux? I enjoy shopping
online, and of course I can easily show you that squat is available
for Linux compared to what's available for Windows. And, in case you
still don't get it, applications are what matter. That's why we are
called "users" because we use applications, we don't just mess
around with an operating system.

Any active user of a PC should go to the store and see how many of his
(or her) applications are available for Linux before even thinking
about dumping Windows.

But of course, you can't buy Linux applications in stores because
it's all free. And the cow jumped over the moon.



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[Ext User(John Doe)]

Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:

> Benjamin Gawert wrote:
>> * Matt:
>>
>>>> Ok. Then tell me how do another say 500000 new Linux computers
>>>> running OpenOffice help to develop new software for Linux?
>>>>
>>>> The question is valid because that's what the majority of Linux
>>>> desktops you mentioned are used for: generic office tasks.
>>>
>>> It is a silly question for one desktop or a million. But the
>>> question is more than a million times sillier for a million
>>> desktops than it is for one desktop. If you still don't
>>> understand, say so, and I will give a less cryptic answer.
>>> Really, though, you ought to be able to give the answer
>>> yourself.
>>
>> So in short you don't have a damn clue.
>
>
> I think you are ignorant of the facts of Linux adoption.

Even though I realize that arguing anything with a Linux Lunatic is
an exercise in futility, would you like to go to various stores and
see what's available for windows versus Linux? I enjoy shopping
online, and of course I can easily show you that squat is available
for Linux compared to what's available for Windows. And, in case you
still don't get it, applications are what matter. That's why we are
called "users" because we use applications, we don't just mess
around with an operating system.

Any active user of a PC should go to the store and see how many of his
(or her) applications are available for Linux before even thinking
about dumping Windows.

But of course, you can't buy Linux applications in stores because
it's all free. And the cow jumped over the moon.



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[Ext User(Jim)]

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:01:55 +0000, John Doe wrote:

> Matt <matt@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
>
> Even though I realize that arguing anything with a Linux Lunatic is an
> exercise in futility, would you like to go to various stores and see
> what's available for windows versus Linux? I enjoy shopping online, and
> of course I can easily show you that squat is available for Linux
> compared to what's available for Windows. And, in case you still don't
> get it, applications are what matter. That's why we are called "users"
> because we use applications, we don't just mess around with an operating
> system.
>
> Any active user of a PC should go to the store and see how many of his
> (or her) applications are available for Linux before even thinking about
> dumping Windows.
>
> But of course, you can't buy Linux applications in stores because it's
> all free. And the cow jumped over the moon.

You are long overdue to try a modern Linux distribution. We have plenty
of software available. Difference is you buy shrink wrapped software and
hope it works. The Linux user downloads his from one or more
repositories. Why go to a store?

We can also have multiple same purpose applications installed
simultaneously to see which one we prefer without any of them fighting
for dominance.

Then should we decide to uninstall some of them, our systems don't suffer
from the "Unplug 'n Pray" realities of Windows.

Bottom line to all of this is most current Linux users previously used
Windows. After becoming disillusioned we sought out solutions. With
Linux we found systems that simply work without all the grief.

Linux Lunatic? Nope, Linux Aware.