OT:Another crackhead bites the dust

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 12:56:58 +0800, "Clocky" <notgonn@happen.com>
wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:23:11 +1000, Albm&ctd
>> <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <4f372f94$0$1594$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com>,
>>> notgonn@happen.com says...
>>>> Whitney Houston.
>>>>
>>>> Does that mean they can stop playing that ****ing song at every
>>>> wedding?
>>>>
>>> Oh no, whipme useless is dead, who next?
>>
>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>> That would be AWESOME.
>
>He can take our own third rate clone Vidgen with him.

Dunno who that is, but I'm sure it can't be good either.

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:55:53 +1000, veritas <veritas@nospam.com>
wrote:

>On 12/02/2012 10:54 PM, XR8 Sprintless wrote:
>> On 12/02/2012 10:46 PM, D Walford wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> Easily avoidable, who or what is a "Vidgen"?
>>>
>> Some blond headed young bloke with a voice like a girl who won a
>> deadbeat talent show last year.
>
>...perhaps but.....
>>
>
>.......who was considered good enough for Sony to sign him to a contract
>before him actually winning the final of the Australia-wide competition.

That is not a recommendation, if you ask me. Of course Sony would sign
it. It's what they do, talent is not a criteria.

>His style is not my choice of music but he 'nailed' all of his
>performances perfectly - on key with every note. Perfect intonation and
>timing - he is a natural .
>
>An exceptional talented artist!
>
>He's overdue for a hormone attack - I truly hope he will be able retrain
>his voice and continue to enjoy a great career as a singer.

Everyone has different idea of what constitutes talent - these
so-called 'artists' do not fit my criteria, that's for certain.

Technically perfect voices tend to sound boring and sterile to me,
_especially_ where they're singing shit whose sole purpose is to make
money, singing material not written by themselves (which again, is
solely written to make money). There is no real passion in their
voice, they're singing about stuff that's not their own personal
experience (not that there is anything wrong with covering a few
unoriginal songs here and there). The best description of these
'artists' that I've heard is 'pop culture icon'. They are not artists,
they are a perversion of the 20th and 21st century's capitalism gone
mad.

Record companies have no interest in developing these acts in the long
term, it's all about short term profits, dump 'em when the spreadsheet
says to and create a new replacement. No substance or integrity at
all.

This all comes at the expense of *real* artists, who often can't get a
look in. Imagine the likes of U2, Bob Dylan etc. trying to get a
contract with one of the 4 major companies these days. LOL. Not a
****ing chance. The idea of a record company nurturing upcoming acts
with the long term in mind is history. Their only option would be to
go independent, at least that's an option these days... not that
they'll get good support from the media, of course.

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:12:25 +1000, Albm&ctd
<alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote:

>In article <4hgej7d2lnunfc1a61ppaade100eurjeqf@4ax.com>, none@all.invalid
>says...
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:23:11 +1000, Albm&ctd
>> <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <4f372f94$0$1594$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com>,
>> >notgonn@happen.com says...
>> >> Whitney Houston.
>> >>
>> >> Does that mean they can stop playing that ****ing song at every wedding?
>> >>
>> >Oh no, whipme useless is dead, who next?
>>
>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>> That would be AWESOME.
>>
>Boy Jawge (sp) is still alive and should write a song for him - do you really
>want to burp me.

I thought he'd be too busy chaining victims to his wall.

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 19:35:27 +0800, "Deevo" <deevo37@bigpond.com>
wrote:

>"Jeßus" <none@all.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4hgej7d2lnunfc1a61ppaade100eurjeqf@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:23:11 +1000, Albm&ctd
>> <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <4f372f94$0$1594$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>notgonn@happen.com says...
>>>> Whitney Houston.
>>>>
>>>> Does that mean they can stop playing that ****ing song at every wedding?
>>>>
>>>Oh no, whipme useless is dead, who next?
>>
>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>> That would be AWESOME.
>
>What's got 300 legs and no pubic hairs?
>.
>.
>.
>.
>Front row of a Justin Beiber concert.

:)

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:54:24 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:

>On 12/02/2012 3:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>> That would be AWESOME.
>
>Is that the boy with the Lego haircut?

Possibly...

[Ext User(Noddy)]

On 12/02/2012 11:46 PM, D Walford wrote:

> Easily avoidable, who or what is a "Vidgen"?

Yeah, that had me stumped as well. Then again, I don't watch much TV,
and only listen to "oldies" radio :)


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On 13/02/2012 12:55 AM, veritas wrote:

> ........who was considered good enough for Sony to sign him to a
> contract before him actually winning the final of the Australia-wide
> competition.

With all the media hype and audience intelligence these days, it would
seem that a toasted cheese sandwich could have a successful music career.



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Noddy.

[Ext User(Clocky)]

veritas wrote:
> On 12/02/2012 10:54 PM, XR8 Sprintless wrote:
>> On 12/02/2012 10:46 PM, D Walford wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> Easily avoidable, who or what is a "Vidgen"?
>>>
>> Some blond headed young bloke with a voice like a girl who won a
>> deadbeat talent show last year.
>
> ...perhaps but.....
>>
>
> .......who was considered good enough for Sony to sign him to a
> contract before him actually winning the final of the Australia-wide
> competition.
> His style is not my choice of music but he 'nailed' all of his
> performances perfectly - on key with every note.

Autotune is switched on during performances, no surprise there. The kid can
sing, but live without autotune he isn`t perfect.

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:06:03 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:

>On 13/02/2012 12:55 AM, veritas wrote:
>
>> ........who was considered good enough for Sony to sign him to a
>> contract before him actually winning the final of the Australia-wide
>> competition.
>
>With all the media hype and audience intelligence these days, it would
>seem that a toasted cheese sandwich could have a successful music career.

As long as the toasted cheese sandwich doesn't care about good taste
and integrity, sure.

[Ext User(D Walford)]

On 12/02/2012 11:54 PM, XR8 Sprintless wrote:
> On 12/02/2012 10:46 PM, D Walford wrote:
>
>>>
>> Easily avoidable, who or what is a "Vidgen"?
>>
> Some blond headed young bloke with a voice like a girl who won a
> deadbeat talent show last year.
>
Sounds like I should be even more pleased that I don't know anything
about him.


Daryl

[Ext User(Clocky)]

veritas wrote:
> On 12/02/2012 2:56 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>>> That would be AWESOME.
>>
>> He can take our own third rate clone Vidgen with him.
>>
>>
> Jack Vidgen's singing style cannot be, in any way, said to be similar
> to Justin Beiber's.

It's meaningless fodder in a different style.

[Ext User(Jeßus)]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:46:47 +1100, D Walford
<dwalford@internode.on.net> wrote:

>Easily avoidable, who or what is a "Vidgen"?

Someone part of the video generation?
Someone on TV for the first time?
<shrug>.

[Ext User(Clocky)]

Noddy wrote:
> On 12/02/2012 3:39 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>> That would be AWESOME.
>
> Is that the boy with the Lego haircut?

lol yeah.

[Ext User(Diesel Damo)]

On Feb 13, 9:25*am, "Clocky" <notg...@happen.com> wrote:
>
> Autotune is switched on during performances,

I was gutted when I found out that existed. Never before has there
been an invention that so effectively ruined something it was supposed
to help. Talent; no longer required. I think I became an old man at
that point.

[Ext User(veritas)]

On 13/02/2012 8:31 AM, Clocky wrote:
> veritas wrote:
>> On 12/02/2012 2:56 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>>>> That would be AWESOME.
>>>
>>> He can take our own third rate clone Vidgen with him.
>>>
>>>
>> Jack Vidgen's singing style cannot be, in any way, said to be similar
>> to Justin Beiber's.
>
> It's meaningless fodder in a different style.
>
>

If one were to accept all of the 'knockers' here (self professed
experts) I will be hearing soon that the stage performances of 'Billy
Elliot', 'Vienna Boys Choir', 'Libera', 'Ronan Parke' are a load of shit
despite you knockers that are swimming against the tide of opinion of
literally millions of people around the world. Where are your support
numbers from the public and experts?

Well spotted guys - it as only too easy to impress people by knocking.
It is good only for the ego of the knockers to try to show people how
knowledgeable they are on many subjects! Oddly, it seems to be the same
lot of knockers every time.

I would have loved to have just 'some' of the talent these kids have.
Am I envious - yep! Do I knock down tall poppies because of it - nope -
I am not a neanderthal!

'Meaningless fodder' - Haaa, what does that mean - stop random-reading
the thesaurus.

OK guys, I am wearing my body armour - commence firing! :)

[Ext User(Feral)]

On 13/02/2012 11:19 AM, veritas wrote:
> On 13/02/2012 8:31 AM, Clocky wrote:
>> veritas wrote:
>>> On 12/02/2012 2:56 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>>>>> That would be AWESOME.
>>>>
>>>> He can take our own third rate clone Vidgen with him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Jack Vidgen's singing style cannot be, in any way, said to be similar
>>> to Justin Beiber's.
>>
>> It's meaningless fodder in a different style.
>>
>>
>
> If one were to accept all of the 'knockers' here (self professed
> experts) I will be hearing soon that the stage performances of 'Billy
> Elliot', 'Vienna Boys Choir', 'Libera', 'Ronan Parke' are a load of shit
> despite you knockers that are swimming against the tide of opinion of
> literally millions of people around the world. Where are your support
> numbers from the public and experts?
>
> Well spotted guys - it as only too easy to impress people by knocking.
> It is good only for the ego of the knockers to try to show people how
> knowledgeable they are on many subjects! Oddly, it seems to be the same
> lot of knockers every time.
>
> I would have loved to have just 'some' of the talent these kids have. Am
> I envious - yep! Do I knock down tall poppies because of it - nope - I
> am not a neanderthal!
>
> 'Meaningless fodder' - Haaa, what does that mean - stop random-reading
> the thesaurus.
>
> OK guys, I am wearing my body armour - commence firing! :)

Nothing from me. As a boy soprano I sung at the Sydney Eisteddfod ...
then my voice broke.

Yup, I was devastated. I still have reasonable pitch and control (not
seen in many folk of my age), but seeing as many artists fall like flies
by the wayside, I'm certainly glad I didn't have an X Factor. :-)

Good luck to those that have, they'll need it.

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[Ext User(D Walford)]

On 13/02/2012 11:19 AM, veritas wrote:
> On 13/02/2012 8:31 AM, Clocky wrote:
>> veritas wrote:
>>> On 12/02/2012 2:56 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>>>>> That would be AWESOME.
>>>>
>>>> He can take our own third rate clone Vidgen with him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Jack Vidgen's singing style cannot be, in any way, said to be similar
>>> to Justin Beiber's.
>>
>> It's meaningless fodder in a different style.
>>
>>
>
> If one were to accept all of the 'knockers' here (self professed
> experts) I will be hearing soon that the stage performances of 'Billy
> Elliot', 'Vienna Boys Choir', 'Libera', 'Ronan Parke' are a load of shit
> despite you knockers that are swimming against the tide of opinion of
> literally millions of people around the world. Where are your support
> numbers from the public and experts?
>
> Well spotted guys - it as only too easy to impress people by knocking.
> It is good only for the ego of the knockers to try to show people how
> knowledgeable they are on many subjects! Oddly, it seems to be the same
> lot of knockers every time.
>
> I would have loved to have just 'some' of the talent these kids have. Am
> I envious - yep! Do I knock down tall poppies because of it - nope - I
> am not a neanderthal!
>
> 'Meaningless fodder' - Haaa, what does that mean - stop random-reading
> the thesaurus.
>
> OK guys, I am wearing my body armour - commence firing! :)


I won't comment either way whether or not such people have talent but
what puts me off such "talent" is the hype, I know its a different world
to the 60's where talent floated to the top naturally and the crap sank
to where it belonged but the way talent is found (or should that be
manufactured?) and promoted is sickening.
From my limited knowledge of such thing it seems that very few singers
that are made famous on TV talent shows go on to become big time, if
they had to survive on just their talent they wouldn't survive for very
long if at all.


Daryl

[Ext User(Feral)]

On 13/02/2012 1:44 PM, D Walford wrote:
> On 13/02/2012 11:19 AM, veritas wrote:

>> If one were to accept all of the 'knockers' here (self professed
>> experts) I will be hearing soon that the stage performances of 'Billy
>> Elliot', 'Vienna Boys Choir', 'Libera', 'Ronan Parke' are a load of shit
>> despite you knockers that are swimming against the tide of opinion of
>> literally millions of people around the world. Where are your support
>> numbers from the public and experts?
>>
>> Well spotted guys - it as only too easy to impress people by knocking.
>> It is good only for the ego of the knockers to try to show people how
>> knowledgeable they are on many subjects! Oddly, it seems to be the same
>> lot of knockers every time.
>>
>> I would have loved to have just 'some' of the talent these kids have. Am
>> I envious - yep! Do I knock down tall poppies because of it - nope - I
>> am not a neanderthal!
>>
>> 'Meaningless fodder' - Haaa, what does that mean - stop random-reading
>> the thesaurus.
>>
>> OK guys, I am wearing my body armour - commence firing! :)
>
>
> I won't comment either way whether or not such people have talent but
> what puts me off such "talent" is the hype, I know its a different world
> to the 60's where talent floated to the top naturally and the crap sank
> to where it belonged but the way talent is found (or should that be
> manufactured?) and promoted is sickening.
> From my limited knowledge of such thing it seems that very few singers
> that are made famous on TV talent shows go on to become big time, if
> they had to survive on just their talent they wouldn't survive for very
> long if at all.

Susan Boyle had *nothing* going for her ... but talent.

One of your the *few*?


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[Ext User(XR8 Sprintless)]

On 13/02/2012 10:19 AM, veritas wrote:
> On 13/02/2012 8:31 AM, Clocky wrote:
>> veritas wrote:
>>> On 12/02/2012 2:56 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> How about Justin Bibwearer, or whatever his name is?
>>>>> That would be AWESOME.
>>>>
>>>> He can take our own third rate clone Vidgen with him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Jack Vidgen's singing style cannot be, in any way, said to be similar
>>> to Justin Beiber's.
>>
>> It's meaningless fodder in a different style.
>>
>>
>
> If one were to accept all of the 'knockers' here (self professed
> experts) I will be hearing soon that the stage performances of 'Billy
> Elliot', 'Vienna Boys Choir', 'Libera', 'Ronan Parke' are a load of shit
> despite you knockers that are swimming against the tide of opinion of
> literally millions of people around the world. Where are your support
> numbers from the public and experts?
>
> Well spotted guys - it as only too easy to impress people by knocking.
> It is good only for the ego of the knockers to try to show people how
> knowledgeable they are on many subjects! Oddly, it seems to be the same
> lot of knockers every time.

Interesting comments. However, I have found the majority of talent show
winners have not really been extremely successful in their careers. It's
easy to sound good when you have a good band, the best sound equipment
and a good sound guy mixing for you. You also have a crowd that is
really like a rent a mob. The problem is that what you see on the tv is
not what it is like live. There are numerous re-takes to get things
right, the modern sound equipment can completely change your voice so
that even if you are singing slightly off key, it sounds like you have
perfect pitch. Give me a pub band who can get the crowd going anyday. I
mixed sound for nearly 30 years, and I can tell you that since the
advent of noise cancelling mikes, automatic feedback controllers etc,
the job became a doddle.
>
> I would have loved to have just 'some' of the talent these kids have. Am
> I envious - yep! Do I knock down tall poppies because of it - nope - I
> am not a neanderthal!
>
> 'Meaningless fodder' - Haaa, what does that mean - stop random-reading
> the thesaurus.
>
> OK guys, I am wearing my body armour - commence firing! :)

Not really firing, just stating that the average singer now doesn't need
to have as much talent. Those who can really sing will always make it.
The problem with the talent shows is that quite often the ones with
talent are overlooked for the one's who are temporarily popular.

Jack I think fits into the temporarily popular state. He needs to
carefully manage the transition once his voice changes and may need to
change his style to suit.

On a side note, I listened to the Beach Boys on the Grammy's today and
their music still sounds fantastic. I was just talking to my 19yo
daughter about it and she actually agrees that many of the older artists
sounded way better than the newer ones because their music and voices
were not so sanitised. We were talking about artists like the Rolling
Stones, The Beatles, Kiss, AC/DC, John Farnham, Jimmy Barnes, Tina
Turner, Suzi Q, Elvis, Michael Jackson, and Meatloaf to name a few.

[Ext User(D Walford)]

On 13/02/2012 2:34 PM, Feral wrote:
> On 13/02/2012 1:44 PM, D Walford wrote:
>> On 13/02/2012 11:19 AM, veritas wrote:
>
>>> If one were to accept all of the 'knockers' here (self professed
>>> experts) I will be hearing soon that the stage performances of 'Billy
>>> Elliot', 'Vienna Boys Choir', 'Libera', 'Ronan Parke' are a load of shit
>>> despite you knockers that are swimming against the tide of opinion of
>>> literally millions of people around the world. Where are your support
>>> numbers from the public and experts?
>>>
>>> Well spotted guys - it as only too easy to impress people by knocking.
>>> It is good only for the ego of the knockers to try to show people how
>>> knowledgeable they are on many subjects! Oddly, it seems to be the same
>>> lot of knockers every time.
>>>
>>> I would have loved to have just 'some' of the talent these kids have. Am
>>> I envious - yep! Do I knock down tall poppies because of it - nope - I
>>> am not a neanderthal!
>>>
>>> 'Meaningless fodder' - Haaa, what does that mean - stop random-reading
>>> the thesaurus.
>>>
>>> OK guys, I am wearing my body armour - commence firing! :)
>>
>>
>> I won't comment either way whether or not such people have talent but
>> what puts me off such "talent" is the hype, I know its a different world
>> to the 60's where talent floated to the top naturally and the crap sank
>> to where it belonged but the way talent is found (or should that be
>> manufactured?) and promoted is sickening.
>> From my limited knowledge of such thing it seems that very few singers
>> that are made famous on TV talent shows go on to become big time, if
>> they had to survive on just their talent they wouldn't survive for very
>> long if at all.
>
> Susan Boyle had *nothing* going for her ... but talent.
>
> One of your the *few*?
>
>
True, there are always exceptions.


Daryl