Ch 7 Tennis not widescreen

[Peter Dewildt]

Why is channel 7 broadcasting the tennis in 4:3 again?

I would have thought by now that they would be able to do it widescreen.
They did it for the rugby world cup.

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Peter
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[Cat on a PC©]

:confused: I have e-mailed Ch7 with just the same question. I'd be interested to hear what their response (if any) is.

The only possibility is that Ch7 is not yet geared up yet to broadcast WS at outside broadcasts despite what occurred at the Rugby World Cup. I have heard that for major international sporting events such as the World Cup, Olympics etc, a lot of the broadcast equipment is borrowed.

I will post Ch7 reply if I get one.

[lordtokyo]

Here is the reply I got from CH7.

"Due to contractual requirements as host broadcasters, we are obligated to provide the Australian Open in 4:3. We are planning future contracts for programs to be supplied in widescreen format transmission and apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we have forwarded your concerns to the appropriate department.

Thanks again for your interest; we look forward to keeping you informed of future developments in digital television."

Let's hope there are some.....

So you'll just have to watch in wide-bum format!

[tony_h]

lordtokyo wrote:
> Here is the reply I got from CH7.
>
> "Due to contractual requirements as host broadcasters, we are
> obligated to provide the Australian Open in 4:3. We are planning
> future contracts for programs to be supplied in widescreen format
> transmission and apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused
> you and we have forwarded your concerns to the appropriate department.
>
> Thanks again for your interest; we look forward to keeping you
> informed of future developments in digital television."
>

Disgusting 7!! Now I have seen what Tennis looks like in WS (and sport in
general) this is definitely the way to go!

Very scripted answer by 7 there, this was their response in regards to the
Olympics posted by ShannonC on the dbaforums (
http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=2050&st=0 ):

"Received this email from 7 in response to my expression of dissatisfaction
with lack of WS for Olympics and sport in general.

"Thank you for taking the time to register with Seven Digital, and for your
comments.

We hope the information we have provided on our website has been valuable in
learning more about digital TV.

Unfortunately, due to contractual requirements as host broadcasters, we are
obligated to provide these programs in 4:3. Seven are planning future
contracts for programs to be supplied in widescreen format transmission and
apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

We have forwarded your concerns to the appropriate department.

Kind regards,
The Seven Digital Team""

[Black Mamba]

I dont understand why anyone would CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGE themselves to
broadcast in 4:3 - it just doesnt make sense....

"lordtokyo" <lordtokyo.10beas@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the reply I got from CH7.
>
> "Due to contractual requirements as host broadcasters, we are obligated
> to provide the Australian Open in 4:3. We are planning future contracts
> for programs to be supplied in widescreen format transmission and
> apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we have
> forwarded your concerns to the appropriate department.
>
> Thanks again for your interest; we look forward to keeping you informed
> of future developments in digital television."
>
> Let's hope there are some.....
>
> So you'll just have to watch in wide-bum format!
>
>
> --
> lordtokyo
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[channel7@goingbrokeorjusttightarses.com]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:35:10 +1030, "Black Mamba"
<black_mamba-NOSPAM-@hotpop.com> wrote:

>I dont understand why anyone would CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGE themselves to
>broadcast in 4:3 - it just doesnt make sense....

It's easier to say that than
"sorry we ran out of money and had to use our 30 year old cameras"

"same reason we broadcast HDTV in 580p rather than 1080i because the
JVC cameras that do 580p only cost $5000 and the sony 1080i ones cost
$120,000"
" and Kerry $tokes still can't tell the difference between HD and SD
on his 26 inch tv set, or his 480 line plasma."

"But if people really kick up a fuss then we'll just have to run some
black tape across the top and bottom of our old cameras and zoom the
picture up when we transmit it"

Funny how the channel seven news reports on the tennis have a 4x3
picture cropped top and bottom then zoomed in to be almost 16 x9 (the
7 logo almost dissapears)
and all the interviews for the tennis ...e.g. the player
interviews(part of their contractual arrangements?) are actually in
true 16 x9.

In short seven don't care (wasn't the first year of digital in
widescreen from seven then 4x3 in every year since)
and if they can get away without digital cameras until the government
does something, then they will.
and they don't care enough to even tell the truth when asked nicely.

Someone should fine the bastards, over 3 years of digital widescreen
and they still persist with live 4x3 broadcasts and lies to the
public.

[triocorp]

[QUOTE=Black Mamba]I dont understand why anyone would CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGE themselves to
broadcast in 4:3 - it just doesnt make sense....

Sorry to debunk your theories about CH7 not wanting to spend money on the appropriate equipment. They ARE contractually obliged to broadcast in 4:3. I mentioned this in one of my previous posts that the majority of broadcasters worldwide only want 4:3 format programs and I am quite sure the broadcasting rights to the Australian Open is governed by the world body and not the local tennis association, and hence, CH7's requirement to broadcast in 4:3. You will see this happen to the Athens Olympics too (unless a major cataclysmic shift occurs before then).

PS: This is straight from the horse's mouth (not mine, of course).

[BenOne©]

triocorp wrote:
>>a> I dont understand why anyone would CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGE themselves to
>>broadcast in 4:3 - it just doesnt make sense....
>>
>>Sorry to debunk your theories about CH7 not wanting to spend money on
>>the appropriate equipment. They ARE contractually obliged to
>>broadcast in 4:3. I mentioned this in one of my previous posts that
>>the majority of broadcasters worldwide only want 4:3 format programs
>>and I am quite sure the broadcasting rights to the Australian Open is
>>governed by the world body and not the local tennis association, and
>>hence, CH7's requirement to broadcast in 4:3. You will see this
>>happen to the Athens Olympics too (unless a major cataclysmic shift
>>occurs before then).
>>
>>PS: This is straight from the horse's mouth (not mine, of course).
>
>
>

Surely they can use 16:9 cameras and just crop it and broadcast 4:3 to the
countries that want 4:3?

--
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Ben Thomas
Melbourne, Australia

[ct]

Dont' tell $even, but that's what Nein and TEN do.

"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:om4kub.5ov.ln@192.168.11.2...
> triocorp wrote:
> >>a> I dont understand why anyone would CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGE themselves to
> >>broadcast in 4:3 - it just doesnt make sense....
> >>
> >>Sorry to debunk your theories about CH7 not wanting to spend money on
> >>the appropriate equipment. They ARE contractually obliged to
> >>broadcast in 4:3. I mentioned this in one of my previous posts that
> >>the majority of broadcasters worldwide only want 4:3 format programs
> >>and I am quite sure the broadcasting rights to the Australian Open is
> >>governed by the world body and not the local tennis association, and
> >>hence, CH7's requirement to broadcast in 4:3. You will see this
> >>happen to the Athens Olympics too (unless a major cataclysmic shift
> >>occurs before then).
> >>
> >>PS: This is straight from the horse's mouth (not mine, of course).
> >
> >
> >
>
> Surely they can use 16:9 cameras and just crop it and broadcast 4:3 to the
> countries that want 4:3?
>
> --
> --
> Ben Thomas
> Melbourne, Australia
>

[Weststate A/V Systems]

ct wrote:

> Dont' tell $even, but that's what Nein and TEN do.



>>>>PS: This is straight from the horse's mouth (not mine, of course).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Surely they can use 16:9 cameras and just crop it and broadcast 4:3 to the
>>countries that want 4:3?



Its been a few years since the government actually started DTV, and
technology has been moving forward. Of course poor old channel $even
must not have heard the gun go off at the start of DTV, and so they have
spent the past few years looking for "a roadmap" on just how to get to
the finish line without actually moving a muscle (or opening the cheque
book).

You have to feel sorry for poor old Mr $tokes and his team of
"broadcasting wizards", because they just simply can not work out how to
do it without spending any money. Still they will get with the program
"one day", and although Mr $tokes is resisting, its inevitable he will
have to allow them to open the cheque book. Well that's if he can find
it because it's been a long time since Kerry has used it.

Normally he's expects it all to be free of costs, just as he thinks he
has a right to "not pay" to enter subscription television market. The
base rule that $tokes uses, is that Channel $even must only do the min
amount to keep their broadcasting licence (because that's the cheapest
they can skim things).





Colin
http://members.iinet.net.au/~colinf/product.htm

[rai]

If they have the newest camera's there is no need to crop. The CCD Chip has
a 8 times higher resolution then needed. Be paring the lines the can
broadcast every TV system they like simultaniously from only 1 camera. This
is what they are going to use for the 2004 Summer Olympics.



"BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
news:om4kub.5ov.ln@192.168.11.2...
> triocorp wrote:
> >>a> I dont understand why anyone would CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGE themselves to
> >>broadcast in 4:3 - it just doesnt make sense....
> >>
> >>Sorry to debunk your theories about CH7 not wanting to spend money on
> >>the appropriate equipment. They ARE contractually obliged to
> >>broadcast in 4:3. I mentioned this in one of my previous posts that
> >>the majority of broadcasters worldwide only want 4:3 format programs
> >>and I am quite sure the broadcasting rights to the Australian Open is
> >>governed by the world body and not the local tennis association, and
> >>hence, CH7's requirement to broadcast in 4:3. You will see this
> >>happen to the Athens Olympics too (unless a major cataclysmic shift
> >>occurs before then).
> >>
> >>PS: This is straight from the horse's mouth (not mine, of course).
> >
> >
> >
>
> Surely they can use 16:9 cameras and just crop it and broadcast 4:3 to the
> countries that want 4:3?
>
> --
> --
> Ben Thomas
> Melbourne, Australia
>

[channel7areliars@sayanything.com]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:02:06 +1000, "rai" <bla@pi.net> wrote:

>If they have the newest camera's there is no need to crop. The CCD Chip has
>a 8 times higher resolution then needed. Be paring the lines the can
>broadcast every TV system they like simultaniously from only 1 camera. This
>is what they are going to use for the 2004 Summer Olympics.
>


wasn't wibledon and the USA open in widescreen?

and what about the USA open widescreen high definition demo on channel
9's hd demo loop?

[ct]

More than likely that the tractor seller is wating for an out of court
settlement with the C7 courst case so as to get the dollars so as to invest
properly in DTV and proper HDTV? $even has been a basketcase since the
Qintex days...

ct

"Weststate A/V Systems" <WAVS@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:400df8d6$0$1748$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.a u...
>
>
> ct wrote:
>
> > Dont' tell $even, but that's what Nein and TEN do.
>
>
>
> >>>>PS: This is straight from the horse's mouth (not mine, of course).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Surely they can use 16:9 cameras and just crop it and broadcast 4:3 to
the
> >>countries that want 4:3?
>
>
>
> Its been a few years since the government actually started DTV, and
> technology has been moving forward. Of course poor old channel $even
> must not have heard the gun go off at the start of DTV, and so they have
> spent the past few years looking for "a roadmap" on just how to get to
> the finish line without actually moving a muscle (or opening the cheque
> book).
>
> You have to feel sorry for poor old Mr $tokes and his team of
> "broadcasting wizards", because they just simply can not work out how to
> do it without spending any money. Still they will get with the program
> "one day", and although Mr $tokes is resisting, its inevitable he will
> have to allow them to open the cheque book. Well that's if he can find
> it because it's been a long time since Kerry has used it.
>
> Normally he's expects it all to be free of costs, just as he thinks he
> has a right to "not pay" to enter subscription television market. The
> base rule that $tokes uses, is that Channel $even must only do the min
> amount to keep their broadcasting licence (because that's the cheapest
> they can skim things).
>
>
>
>
>
> Colin
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~colinf/product.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Weststate A/V Systems]

ct wrote:
> More than likely that the tractor seller is wating for an out of court
> settlement with the C7 courst case so as to get the dollars so as to invest
> properly in DTV and proper HDTV? $even has been a basketcase since the
> Qintex days...
>
> ct


LOL.
Many people might not get that, but he loves his tractor's !!!
I guess we can only hope that Majorca still will let old aussie
entrepreneurs in.

We obviously still have some candidates and $even seems to be getting
more of its share. Mind you Bond and Nein was not bad. It made Packer a
few extra million in profit from his obvious business incompetence.



Colin
http://members.iinet.net.au/~colinf/product.htm

[Stephen Neal]

channel7areliars@sayanything.com wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:02:06 +1000, "rai" <bla@pi.net> wrote:
>
>> If they have the newest camera's there is no need to crop. The CCD
>> Chip has a 8 times higher resolution then needed. Be paring the
>> lines the can broadcast every TV system they like simultaniously
>> from only 1 camera. This is what they are going to use for the 2004
>> Summer Olympics.
>>
>
>
> wasn't wibledon and the USA open in widescreen?

Wimbledon has been 16:9 in the UK for a few years - but it was one of the
later sporting events to move from 4:3 to 16:9 coverage in the UK. This is
partly because it is a huge event with many 4:3 broadcasters on-site who
need 4:3 feeds of courts etc., and also I believe a contractual thing. I
think that the Beeb moved to 16:9 coverage when the contract was renewed -
though I am not certain. (We also got interactive multiscreens as well -
which is great! Chose one of 4-8 courts to watch on satellite, one of 2-4 on
DTT)

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was an element of truth in 7's reply
quoted earlier. Sports rights are VERY touchy things these days - and it
may be that the actual rights contract strictly stipulates 4:3 rather than
16:9 coverage. Sure you might be able to renegotiate - but I wouldn't be
surprised if they asked for more money.

We didn't get the USA open in 16:9 in the UK - but I believe it was covered
in 16:9 HD. It may be that we only got 4:3 as the UK were only paying for
the basic "multilateral" feed. If you guys got it in 16:9, or even better
16:9 HD, you were lucky!

Steve

[Jason Simmons]

Strange - they were showing it on-site for the event's duration as 16:9
format!

"lordtokyo" <lordtokyo.10beas@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Here is the reply I got from CH7.
>
> "Due to contractual requirements as host broadcasters, we are obligated
> to provide the Australian Open in 4:3. We are planning future contracts
> for programs to be supplied in widescreen format transmission and
> apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we have
> forwarded your concerns to the appropriate department.
>
> Thanks again for your interest; we look forward to keeping you informed
> of future developments in digital television."
>
> Let's hope there are some.....
>
> So you'll just have to watch in wide-bum format!
>
>
> --
> lordtokyo
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