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Gronk221
21-01-2004, 10:45 AM
Any tips on making backup copies of DVD, DVD-A ? Is there a
freeware/shareware DVD ripper that comes recommended ?

I have a HP DVD+RW writer, so a backup copy would be valuable as I've
already had to replace a scratched Toy Story disc that had been sat
on/stomped/frisbeed by my 5 yo.

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Miro
21-01-2004, 05:55 PM
"Gronk221" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Any tips on making backup copies of DVD, DVD-A ? Is there a
> freeware/shareware DVD ripper that comes recommended ?
>
> I have a HP DVD+RW writer, so a backup copy would be valuable as I've
> already had to replace a scratched Toy Story disc that had been sat
> on/stomped/frisbeed by my 5 yo.

Seems to be early days - I asked a similar thing a week ago and was directed
to studio equipment.

Scott.H.
21-01-2004, 07:23 PM
try www.doom9.org (http://www.doom9.org).


Free software can be downloaded from there,dvd stripper for ripping and dvd shrink for recoding.They also have tutorials on how to use the software

boh
21-01-2004, 10:25 PM
DVD Shrink 3.0

" Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gronk221" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:yZiPb.20843$Wa.2085@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Any tips on making backup copies of DVD, DVD-A ? Is there a
> > freeware/shareware DVD ripper that comes recommended ?
> >
> > I have a HP DVD+RW writer, so a backup copy would be valuable as I've
> > already had to replace a scratched Toy Story disc that had been sat
> > on/stomped/frisbeed by my 5 yo.
>
> Seems to be early days - I asked a similar thing a week ago and was
directed
> to studio equipment.
>
>

TT
21-01-2004, 10:55 PM
"boh" <bohboh10@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: DVD Shrink 3.0


So now tell me how it rips DVD-A tracks?

TT

JohnP
23-01-2004, 12:05 AM
www.vcdhelp.com
for all your needs regarding dvd (not sure about dvd-audio)

"Gronk221" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:yZiPb.20843$Wa.2085@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Any tips on making backup copies of DVD, DVD-A ? Is there a
> freeware/shareware DVD ripper that comes recommended ?
>
> I have a HP DVD+RW writer, so a backup copy would be valuable as I've
> already had to replace a scratched Toy Story disc that had been sat
> on/stomped/frisbeed by my 5 yo.
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
>

Gronk221
23-01-2004, 12:45 PM
Thanks for everyones help to date.

I can report that I have sucessfully ripped a DVD onto my hard disk, which
disabled macrovision,with DVD Decrypter (DVD Shrink works well to) and
burned a DVD+R with the files created.

The backup copy plays as normal on my Pioneer deck (which can read DVD+R).

The only problem was that I had to strip the contents of the DVD down to fit
it on the 4.7gb DVD+R. As most of these Hollywood DVD disks are duel layer,
their contents seem to be well over 8 or 9gb. So to fit one movie (this one
was 1h40min) on the disk I had to remove the menu, commentary audio files
and other features. Even then it just squeezed it on. The DVD Shrink
software was excellent in recognising a DVD's contents and can rip the main
movie + AC3 5.1 file only. With the menu gone, the movie just autoplays in
the Pioneer deck like a VCD.

So the challenge is how to backup and burn a DVD from a 2/3 hour movie.

My guess is the movie could be split over 2 or 3 disks. DVD Shrink rips the
movie in .vob files in chunks of 1gb (thats a windows proprietory thing I
think) so you could probably plonk the first 4 files on disk 1 and then then
next 4 on disk 2 and so-on. File names on disk 2 and 3 may need to be
renamed to achieve autoplay (ie vob file #5 becomes #1 on disk 2 etc).

I'll be interested if anyone has progressed beyond this point and managed to
achieve the above with full navigation menus. Many more coasters to come no
doubt.

----------------------------------------------------




"JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in message
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> www.vcdhelp.com
> for all your needs regarding dvd (not sure about dvd-audio)
>
> "Gronk221" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:yZiPb.20843$Wa.2085@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Any tips on making backup copies of DVD, DVD-A ? Is there a
> > freeware/shareware DVD ripper that comes recommended ?
> >
> > I have a HP DVD+RW writer, so a backup copy would be valuable as I've
> > already had to replace a scratched Toy Story disc that had been sat
> > on/stomped/frisbeed by my 5 yo.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>

Miro
23-01-2004, 04:05 PM
"Gronk221" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for everyones help to date.
>
> I can report that I have sucessfully ripped a DVD onto my hard disk, which
> disabled macrovision,with DVD Decrypter (DVD Shrink works well to) and
> burned a DVD+R with the files created.
>

After reading your report carefully I am convinced. Buy them mail order.

Gadgets
23-01-2004, 06:45 PM
www.elby.ch

Clone DVD

Full menus - but expect maybe half video quality for a long movie.


Cheers, Jason - remove macrovision to reply : )

PC IR Remotes:
http://gadgets.shorturl.com

boh
23-01-2004, 10:35 PM
Well, wait another 3-4 months and you can buy a double layer DVD burner and
make 1 to 1 copies...

This is quite interesting really; for CD's you either have to spend some
time on Kazaa to find all new songs on an album or have a friend who had
bought the album, but when it comes to a new movies you will be able to rent
it for 5 $ spend 3-4 $ on a blank double layer DVD-R and have a perfect
copy... new business model... will be hard to fight the IP rights for the
studios... How honest are people in this regards?

"Gadgets" <gadgets@macrovision.jc.com.au> wrote in message
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> www.elby.ch
>
> Clone DVD
>
> Full menus - but expect maybe half video quality for a long movie.
>
>
> Cheers, Jason - remove macrovision to reply : )
>
> PC IR Remotes:
> http://gadgets.shorturl.com

Miro
23-01-2004, 11:35 PM
"boh" <bohboh10@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, wait another 3-4 months and you can buy a double layer DVD burner
and
> make 1 to 1 copies...
>
> This is quite interesting really; for CD's you either have to spend some
> time on Kazaa to find all new songs on an album or have a friend who had
> bought the album, but when it comes to a new movies you will be able to
rent
> it for 5 $ spend 3-4 $ on a blank double layer DVD-R and have a perfect
> copy... new business model... will be hard to fight the IP rights for the
> studios... How honest are people in this regards?

Is it worth stealing ?

JohnP
24-01-2004, 12:45 PM
" Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gronk221" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:ZR_Pb.24183$Wa.8817@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Thanks for everyones help to date.
> >
> > I can report that I have sucessfully ripped a DVD onto my hard disk,
which
> > disabled macrovision,with DVD Decrypter (DVD Shrink works well to) and
> > burned a DVD+R with the files created.
> >
>
> After reading your report carefully I am convinced. Buy them mail order.
>
After reading his report "carefully" miro you would have realised he wants
to backup originals to stop clumsy oafs (such as yourself) scratching them
and ruining them. He doesn't imply or suggest he wishes to pirate movies at
all.

JohnP
24-01-2004, 12:45 PM
" Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "boh" <bohboh10@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bur0lp$e1m$1@yeppa.connect.com.au...
> > Well, wait another 3-4 months and you can buy a double layer DVD burner
> and
> > make 1 to 1 copies...
> >
> > This is quite interesting really; for CD's you either have to spend some
> > time on Kazaa to find all new songs on an album or have a friend who had
> > bought the album, but when it comes to a new movies you will be able to
> rent
> > it for 5 $ spend 3-4 $ on a blank double layer DVD-R and have a perfect
> > copy... new business model... will be hard to fight the IP rights for
the
> > studios... How honest are people in this regards?
>
> Is it worth stealing ?
>
Hmm is this a moral question Miro? Consider that some people have DVD
collections worth thousands when renting and ripping might reduce that to
hundreds then I guess fiscally it is worth it. OTOH I think you are worried
that your soul might be dammed for all time in hell! Is that what you are
referring too?

Trevor S
24-01-2004, 01:45 PM
"JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in
news:2OudneHYKJVFVozdRVn2uQ@giganews.com:

<Snip>

>>
> After reading his report "carefully" miro you would have realised he
> wants to backup originals to stop clumsy oafs (such as yourself)
> scratching them and ruining them. He doesn't imply or suggest he
> wishes to pirate movies at all.

:) not to be picky but backing up movies you own is "pirating". It's
ileagel under the copyright act, this does however go to prove the age old
axiom that the law is an ass .

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

JohnP
24-01-2004, 02:55 PM
"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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> "JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in
> news:2OudneHYKJVFVozdRVn2uQ@giganews.com:
>
> <Snip>
>
> >>
> > After reading his report "carefully" miro you would have realised he
> > wants to backup originals to stop clumsy oafs (such as yourself)
> > scratching them and ruining them. He doesn't imply or suggest he
> > wishes to pirate movies at all.
>
> :) not to be picky but backing up movies you own is "pirating". It's
> ileagel under the copyright act, this does however go to prove the age old
> axiom that the law is an ass .
>

Yes I concur Trev on both accounts. I know the line of morality of the
consumer gets a little hazy when it comes to protecting something bought and
paid for, but it's one I will cross without feeling to much regret. 8-)

Miro
24-01-2004, 03:25 PM
"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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> "JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in
> news:2OudneHYKJVFVozdRVn2uQ@giganews.com:
>
> <Snip>
>
> >>
> > After reading his report "carefully" miro you would have realised he
> > wants to backup originals to stop clumsy oafs (such as yourself)
> > scratching them and ruining them. He doesn't imply or suggest he
> > wishes to pirate movies at all.
>
> :) not to be picky but backing up movies you own is "pirating". It's
> ileagel under the copyright act, this does however go to prove the age old
> axiom that the law is an ass .
>
> --
> Trevor S

Yeah but who exactly has time to spend several hours pissing around with a
movie. If I wanted to rip a movie then I would buy some local or US version
and then just rip it to my PC and set it up as a DVD-video server. Makes a
shit load more sense and only costs about $150 for 120Gb Western Digital
drive.

If I want to go nuts I can run an external raid setup with 1.4 terrabytres
of DVD, Video and MP3 and save about $9,000 on a stock standard AV server
technology.

Spending hours doing one disk is beyond fruitless.

JohnP
24-01-2004, 04:55 PM
>
> Spending hours doing one disk is beyond fruitless.
>

You see Miro? You're last statement just magnifies your degree of ignorance
in most things!

Kwyjibo.
24-01-2004, 05:05 PM
Trevor S <bill@gates.com> said

> "JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in
> news:2OudneHYKJVFVozdRVn2uQ@giganews.com:
>
> <Snip>
>
>>>
>> After reading his report "carefully" miro you would have realised he
>> wants to backup originals to stop clumsy oafs (such as yourself)
>> scratching them and ruining them. He doesn't imply or suggest he
>> wishes to pirate movies at all.
>
>:) not to be picky but backing up movies you own is "pirating". It's
> ileagel under the copyright act,


***** X-Posted to aus.legal


My reading of the copyright act is that it's legal to backup DVDs and
Audio CDs if the DVD or CD contains any executable code (e.g Cheap DVD
player software, games etc.) which a more and more are doing.

See subsection 2, section 47c of the copyright act. Section 47c relates
to the backing up of computer programs (executeable code)

Subsection 1 states:
"66 Copyright Act 1968
Subject to subsection (4), the copyright in a literary work that is a
computer program is not infringed by the making of a reproduction
of the work if:
(a) the reproduction is made by, or on behalf of, the owner or
licensee of the copy (the original copy) from which the
reproduction is made; and
(b) the reproduction is made for use only by, or on behalf of, the
owner or licensee of the original copy; and
(c) the reproduction is made for any of the following purposes:
(i) to enable the owner or licensee of the original copy to
use the reproduction in lieu of the original copy and to
store the original copy;
(ii) to enable the owner or licensee of the original copy to
store the reproduction for use in lieu of the original copy
if the original copy is lost, destroyed or rendered
unusable;
(iii) to enable the owner or licensee of the original copy to
use the reproduction in lieu of the original copy, or of
another reproduction made under this subsection, if the
Copyright in original literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works Part
III
Acts not constituting infringements of copyright in computer programs
Division 4A
Section 47C
original copy, or the other reproduction, is lost,
destroyed or rendered unusable."


So basically you can make a legal backup of any software you have
legitimately purchased.


Subsection 2 goes on to state that
"Subject to subsection (4), the copyright in a literary work that is a
computer program, and in any work or other subject-matter held
together with the program on the same computer system, is not
infringed by the making of a reproduction of the program, or of
such a work or other subject-matter if:
(a) the reproduction is made by, or on behalf of, the owner or
licensee of the copy (the original copy) from which the
reproduction is made; and
(b) the making of the reproduction is part of the normal back-up
copying of data for security purposes."


PS: Subsection 4 (referenced in both of the above subsections) is just
pointing out that the original you are copying must be a legitimate
version to start with.
It also mentions that you can't back it up if the 'program' being backed
up has been written or encoded in such a way that prevents it being
copied, but in this case the 'program' is not encoded. Only the video is,
which appears not to be covered by this clause.

My reading of the above is that if you are backing up your programs
(games, DVD player software etc) that just happens to come on a DVD video
disc you are quite within your rights to backup the disc in its entirety
- Including any audio or video data packaged on the same disc.

> this does however go to prove the age
> old axiom that the law is an ass .
>

Yep !!!


--

Kwyj.

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

TT
24-01-2004, 05:15 PM
"JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in message
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:
: "Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
: news:Xns947A816A259DDbillgatescom@130.133.1.4...
: > "JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in
: > news:2OudneHYKJVFVozdRVn2uQ@giganews.com:
: >
: > <Snip>
: >
: > >>
: > > After reading his report "carefully" miro you would have
realised he
: > > wants to backup originals to stop clumsy oafs (such as
yourself)
: > > scratching them and ruining them. He doesn't imply or
suggest he
: > > wishes to pirate movies at all.
: >
: > :) not to be picky but backing up movies you own is
"pirating". It's
: > ileagel under the copyright act, this does however go to
prove the age old
: > axiom that the law is an ass .
: >
:
: Yes I concur Trev on both accounts. I know the line of
morality of the
: consumer gets a little hazy when it comes to protecting
something bought and
: paid for, but it's one I will cross without feeling to much
regret. 8-)
:
I would be more than happy to respect their copyright *IF* they
replaced damaged discs for free or for just the cost of the
medium.

IMHO What I do with my legally purchased products, in my own
home, for my own personal use, is none of the copyright holder's
concern - so long as I don not transmit, lend, sell, distribute,
allow to be watched for profit etc.

And yes Trevor is dead right "The law is an ass". We could now
talk about Region coding to but been there done that ;-)

Regards TT

Rod Speed
24-01-2004, 06:45 PM
Kwyjibo <KwyjiboYourPanties@ozdebate.com> wrote in
message news:Xns947AAC65BE96Assss@130.133.1.4...
> Trevor S <bill@gates.com> said
>> JohnP <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote

>>> After reading his report "carefully" miro you would have realised he
>>> wants to backup originals to stop clumsy oafs (such as yourself)
>>> scratching them and ruining them. He doesn't imply or suggest he
>>> wishes to pirate movies at all.

>> :) not to be picky but backing up movies you own is "pirating".
>> It's ileagel under the copyright act,

> My reading of the copyright act is that it's legal to backup DVDs
> and Audio CDs if the DVD or CD contains any executable code

Fraid not. It actually says that the executable code can be backed
up, but does NOT say that the other stuff on the CD or DVD can be

But what matters is that no one will bother about the copyright
infringement if it copy is made just so you can recover gracefully
if the original gets fucked by some ham fisted clown.

> (e.g Cheap DVD player software, games etc.)
> which a more and more are doing.

> See subsection 2, section 47c of the copyright act. Section 47c relates
> to the backing up of computer programs (executeable code)
>
> Subsection 1 states:
> "66 Copyright Act 1968
> Subject to subsection (4), the copyright in a literary work that is a
> computer program is not infringed by the making of a reproduction
> of the work if:
> (a) the reproduction is made by, or on behalf of, the owner or
> licensee of the copy (the original copy) from which the
> reproduction is made; and
> (b) the reproduction is made for use only by, or on behalf of, the
> owner or licensee of the original copy; and
> (c) the reproduction is made for any of the following purposes:
> (i) to enable the owner or licensee of the original copy to
> use the reproduction in lieu of the original copy and to
> store the original copy;
> (ii) to enable the owner or licensee of the original copy to
> store the reproduction for use in lieu of the original copy
> if the original copy is lost, destroyed or rendered
> unusable;
> (iii) to enable the owner or licensee of the original copy to
> use the reproduction in lieu of the original copy, or of
> another reproduction made under this subsection, if the
> Copyright in original literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works Part
> III
> Acts not constituting infringements of copyright in computer programs
> Division 4A
> Section 47C
> original copy, or the other reproduction, is lost,
> destroyed or rendered unusable."
>
>
> So basically you can make a legal backup of any software you have
> legitimately purchased.
>
>
> Subsection 2 goes on to state that
> "Subject to subsection (4), the copyright in a literary work that is a
> computer program, and in any work or other subject-matter held
> together with the program on the same computer system, is not
> infringed by the making of a reproduction of the program, or of
> such a work or other subject-matter if:
> (a) the reproduction is made by, or on behalf of, the owner or
> licensee of the copy (the original copy) from which the
> reproduction is made; and
> (b) the making of the reproduction is part of the normal back-up
> copying of data for security purposes."
>
>
> PS: Subsection 4 (referenced in both of the above subsections) is just
> pointing out that the original you are copying must be a legitimate
> version to start with.
> It also mentions that you can't back it up if the 'program' being backed
> up has been written or encoded in such a way that prevents it being
> copied, but in this case the 'program' is not encoded. Only the video is,
> which appears not to be covered by this clause.
>
> My reading of the above is that if you are backing up your programs
> (games, DVD player software etc) that just happens to come on a DVD video
> disc you are quite within your rights to backup the disc in its entirety
> - Including any audio or video data packaged on the same disc.
>
> > this does however go to prove the age
> > old axiom that the law is an ass .
> >
>
> Yep !!!
>
>
> --
>
> Kwyj.
>
> (Remove your panties to reply by email)