Plasma TVS die in three years ??? this right ?

[We Live For The One We Die For The One]

Just read it somewhere.

Thanks.

[Miro]

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> Just read it somewhere.
>
> Thanks.

3 ..... more like 5 but yes, nothing like 20 years for a CRT.

[boh]

No, it is actually about 25-30 k hours, about the same as a CRT.

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com.au/faq.htm


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> 3 ..... more like 5 but yes, nothing like 20 years for a CRT.
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[JohnP]

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> No, it is actually about 25-30 k hours, about the same as a CRT.
>
> http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com.au/faq.htm
>

Gee they'd be nice and impartial wouldn't they? 8-)

[Trevor S]

" Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote in news:40111790$0$16594$afc38c87
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> "We Live For The One We Die For The One" <efternavn@doktor.dk> wrote in
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>>
>> Just read it somewhere.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> 3 ..... more like 5 but yes, nothing like 20 years for a CRT.


That's Bullshit, MTBF is about the same a CRT. Not letting your juandiced
view* of Plamsa get in the way of a good lie ?

* no pun intended

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

[JohnP]

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> > "We Live For The One We Die For The One" <efternavn@doktor.dk> wrote in
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> >>
> >>
> >> Just read it somewhere.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >
> > 3 ..... more like 5 but yes, nothing like 20 years for a CRT.
>
>
> That's Bullshit, MTBF is about the same a CRT. Not letting your
juandiced
> view* of Plamsa get in the way of a good lie ?
>

While I don't subscribe to Miro's view how can anyone be sure of the MTBF
and what exactly are we referring too? Miro often cites the issue of gas
leakage and I honestly don't think MTBF refers to the slow degradation (if
any) of the plasm screen image. To me MTBF is more applicable to rapid
dismiss. Have Plasma's been around in their current state to actually know
the life expectancy? Sure you can test for MTBF by using a large number of
units over a smaller period but an issue like image degrading really
requires time. However any information you can point to that isn't biased
by the Plasma industry would be appreciated. Stating that the MTBF it is
the same as CRT's which have been around for 60 years is a little pre-mature
isn't it?

[Miro]

"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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> That's Bullshit, MTBF is about the same a CRT. Not letting your
juandiced
> view* of Plamsa get in the way of a good lie ?
>
> * no pun intended
>
> --
> Trevor S

MTBF is only good if you have one CRT, not 2.4 million of them. Then you can
well and truly expect to get the full range of long and short life
expectancy.

People that quote engineering stats are sitting on a thin high branch trying
to cut tree down.

I bet if I payed $12,000 for any crap then it would certainly last a
lifetime. RUBBISH. It wont because it cant. The performance, not the
lifespan, drops off sharply - this is one fact that MBTF doesnt cover. Since
F = fail. So long as it glows at 10% power it isnt failed.

So please try to look past the stupidity and check the reality.

[Mark Hathaway]

From discussions off the record with sales reps from a few manufacturers,
they mention 5-7 years for domestic usage. After less then a year many of
the Plasma displays at Federation Square in Melbourne were in a bad way.
They are left on 24/7, which is about 8700 hours. One would expect, though
it is an assumption on my behalf, that constant usage would cause less wear
and tear on the display then intermittent usage (i.e domestic usage)


Mark Hathaway










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>
> Just read it somewhere.
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> Thanks.
>

[LiFe]

New CRTs don't last 20 years anymore either.

More like 5 - 10 with many estimations saying 10 - 15. Units usualy come
pre-calibrated too bright, so you can turn them down a little, and then up
it 10 years down the track to regain some of what was lost.

Only big plasma problem is you don't want to watch too much 4:3 or have a
static image because of burn-in etc.

LiFe.

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> >
> > Just read it somewhere.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> 3 ..... more like 5 but yes, nothing like 20 years for a CRT.
>
>

[pk]

Trevor S <bill@gates.com> wrote:

>That's Bullshit, MTBF is about the same a CRT. Not letting your juandiced
>view* of Plamsa get in the way of a good lie ?

"MTBF" and "life" are two different things.

But having said that, he's way wrong on the numbers.

Modern plasmas are designed for a service life of 10+ years.

Early plasmas were unreliable and did lose pixels, which is probably
how this story gained traction. They have improved.

[Trevor S]

"JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in
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<Snip>

> would be appreciated. Stating that the MTBF it is the same as CRT's
> which have been around for 60 years is a little pre-mature isn't it?

No ? Why would it be ? We are talking MTBF here, not "see who can last the
longest" My last CRT TV lasted 5 years and crapped itself and needed
replacing, it certinaly did not last 60 yrs.

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

[Trevor S]

" Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
> "Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns947A81DEB1301billgatescom@130.133.1.4...
>
>> That's Bullshit, MTBF is about the same a CRT. Not letting your
> juandiced
>> view* of Plamsa get in the way of a good lie ?
>>
>> * no pun intended
>>
>> --
>> Trevor S
>
> MTBF is only good if you have one CRT, not 2.4 million of them. Then
> you can well and truly expect to get the full range of long and short
> life expectancy.

Agreed

> People that quote engineering stats are sitting on a thin high branch
> trying to cut tree down.

Bullshit.

> I bet if I payed $12,000 for any crap then it would certainly last a
> lifetime. RUBBISH. It wont because it cant. The performance, not the
> lifespan, drops off sharply - this is one fact that MBTF doesnt cover.
> Since F = fail. So long as it glows at 10% power it isnt failed.

What a crock of shit, the price of an item has nothing to do with the
life expetency, how long does a Mars Rover last ? Dude, you're speaking
out of your arse. Someone buying a plasma set has every right to expect
a Plasma set to last about as long as a CRT set on AVERAGE, don't let
your myopia cloud the issue. That you don't like them is irrelevant, as
an aside either do I but my dislike is not based on the fact I woudl have
to pay $12K for one.

> So please try to look past the stupidity and check the reality.

Agreed, I am still waiting for you to do that.

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

[Trevor S]

pk <pk@ciws.co> wrote in
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> "MTBF" and "life" are two different things.

Agreed I never argued they wern't.

> But having said that, he's way wrong on the numbers.

Of course, M thinks becuase you spent $5K - $12K on "something" it should
outlast him. Why he is so concerned with what other people spend their
money on is probably more interesting.

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

[Me]

After 12 months of comparing just about every TV available, IMO the Plasma
has impressed me the most. Inparticular the 50 inch LG. To be honest the
price doesn't concern me a great deal as I am a DVD buff and consider it my
only vice. Don't drink, smoke, gamble, don't have kids unfortunately, just
enjoy my wife's company and that of my earth shattering Home System.

Plasma for me.



"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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> " Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:4011f38e$0$4050$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au :
>
> >
> > "Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xns947A81DEB1301billgatescom@130.133.1.4...
> >
> >> That's Bullshit, MTBF is about the same a CRT. Not letting your
> > juandiced
> >> view* of Plamsa get in the way of a good lie ?
> >>
> >> * no pun intended
> >>
> >> --
> >> Trevor S
> >
> > MTBF is only good if you have one CRT, not 2.4 million of them. Then
> > you can well and truly expect to get the full range of long and short
> > life expectancy.
>
> Agreed
>
> > People that quote engineering stats are sitting on a thin high branch
> > trying to cut tree down.
>
> Bullshit.
>
> > I bet if I payed $12,000 for any crap then it would certainly last a
> > lifetime. RUBBISH. It wont because it cant. The performance, not the
> > lifespan, drops off sharply - this is one fact that MBTF doesnt cover.
> > Since F = fail. So long as it glows at 10% power it isnt failed.
>
> What a crock of shit, the price of an item has nothing to do with the
> life expetency, how long does a Mars Rover last ? Dude, you're speaking
> out of your arse. Someone buying a plasma set has every right to expect
> a Plasma set to last about as long as a CRT set on AVERAGE, don't let
> your myopia cloud the issue. That you don't like them is irrelevant, as
> an aside either do I but my dislike is not based on the fact I woudl have
> to pay $12K for one.
>
> > So please try to look past the stupidity and check the reality.
>
> Agreed, I am still waiting for you to do that.
>
> --
> Trevor S
>
>
> "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
> -Albert Einstein

[JohnP]

"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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> "JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in
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>
> <Snip>
>
> > would be appreciated. Stating that the MTBF it is the same as CRT's
> > which have been around for 60 years is a little pre-mature isn't it?
>
> No ? Why would it be ? We are talking MTBF here, not "see who can last
the
> longest" My last CRT TV lasted 5 years and crapped itself and needed
> replacing, it certinaly did not last 60 yrs.
>

I never implied that a crt would last 60 years, just that the technology has
been around that long in a commercial guise and hence a lot of the issues
that may have plagued the early years would be well and truly sort out.
Plasm hasn't been around in a long enough stable level of development to
even establish it's potential life. MTBF is not indicative of the overall
lifetime for a plasma screen just the likely hood of one "crapping" itself
in a given time frame. TO me and most others the quality of the screen
deterioration is the major issue and this is not a failure of the machine
but of the technology.

[JohnP]

"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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> pk <pk@ciws.co> wrote in
> news:fpp51090knf6efrubp5bh8uq9auhv1db6b@4ax.com:
>
> > "MTBF" and "life" are two different things.
>
> Agreed I never argued they wern't.
>
> > But having said that, he's way wrong on the numbers.
>
> Of course, M thinks becuase you spent $5K - $12K on "something" it should
> outlast him. Why he is so concerned with what other people spend their
> money on is probably more interesting.
>

hehe I think Miro is ignoring me these days! Can't hack the crushing grip
of reason I get him with every time 8-)

[Miro]

"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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>
> > I bet if I payed $12,000 for any crap then it would certainly last a
> > lifetime. RUBBISH. It wont because it cant. The performance, not the
> > lifespan, drops off sharply - this is one fact that MBTF doesnt cover.
> > Since F = fail. So long as it glows at 10% power it isnt failed.
>
> What a crock of shit, the price of an item has nothing to do with the
> life expetency, how long does a Mars Rover last ? Dude, you're speaking
> out of your arse. Someone buying a plasma set has every right to expect
> a Plasma set to last about as long as a CRT set on AVERAGE, don't let
> your myopia cloud the issue. That you don't like them is irrelevant, as
> an aside either do I but my dislike is not based on the fact I woudl have
> to pay $12K for one.

Not liking them is the nett sum total of being told that they are a great
technology and knowing that they are nothing of the sort. It is a low-grade
overpriced wallet lyposuction device.

Anyone that buys a plasma and thinks they are really clever needs to get a
prospectus for apartments in Bass Strait. The ones with ocean views.

[Miro]

"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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> "JohnP" <au.com.picknowl@jmp> wrote in
> news:K4ydnRfhEKoSdIzdRVn2sg@giganews.com:
>
> <Snip>
>
> > would be appreciated. Stating that the MTBF it is the same as CRT's
> > which have been around for 60 years is a little pre-mature isn't it?
>
> No ? Why would it be ? We are talking MTBF here, not "see who can last
the
> longest" My last CRT TV lasted 5 years and crapped itself and needed
> replacing, it certinaly did not last 60 yrs.
>
> --
> Trevor S

Why ? Did the TV maker say that it would last longer ?

[Miro]

"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
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> pk <pk@ciws.co> wrote in
> news:fpp51090knf6efrubp5bh8uq9auhv1db6b@4ax.com:
>
> > "MTBF" and "life" are two different things.
>
> Agreed I never argued they wern't.
>
> > But having said that, he's way wrong on the numbers.
>
> Of course, M thinks becuase you spent $5K - $12K on "something" it should
> outlast him. Why he is so concerned with what other people spend their
> money on is probably more interesting.
>
> --
> Trevor S

I dont agree with wallet surgery as a form of "upgrade" - given that people
are being conned.

[J.M.]

Guys, guys, hold on here, The MAIN IMPORTANT point is that this MTBF
BULLSHIT should not even be used !! Period. As a consumer, I just want
to know what is the average REAL life expectancy of the product. Not
some BATHTUB BULLSHIT scale. Just give me that dam average life of the
product !! How hard is that, I love going into store and asking the
salesman what is the life of the product. If they dare come back with
that MTBF shit, I make them get some real facts on paper to show me or
I wont buy it. Of course i make a scene in the store.

If enough people did that, than it would eventualy get to the
manufacturers that this BULLSHIT METHOD WOULD STOP !!!

remember - HOW LONG DOES THE PRODUCT LAST !!! FOR REAL....



"Me" <r@r.com> wrote in message news:<4013ab1f$0$1721$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
> After 12 months of comparing just about every TV available, IMO the Plasma
> has impressed me the most. Inparticular the 50 inch LG. To be honest the
> price doesn't concern me a great deal as I am a DVD buff and consider it my
> only vice. Don't drink, smoke, gamble, don't have kids unfortunately, just
> enjoy my wife's company and that of my earth shattering Home System.
>
> Plasma for me.
>
>
>
> "Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns947BDA00BF96Ebillgatescom@130.133.1.4...
> > " Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote in
> > news:4011f38e$0$4050$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au :
> >
> > >
> > > "Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Xns947A81DEB1301billgatescom@130.133.1.4...
> > >
> > >> That's Bullshit, MTBF is about the same a CRT. Not letting your
> juandiced
> > >> view* of Plamsa get in the way of a good lie ?
> > >>
> > >> * no pun intended
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Trevor S
> > >
> > > MTBF is only good if you have one CRT, not 2.4 million of them. Then
> > > you can well and truly expect to get the full range of long and short
> > > life expectancy.
> >
> > Agreed
> >
> > > People that quote engineering stats are sitting on a thin high branch
> > > trying to cut tree down.
> >
> > Bullshit.
> >
> > > I bet if I payed $12,000 for any crap then it would certainly last a
> > > lifetime. RUBBISH. It wont because it cant. The performance, not the
> > > lifespan, drops off sharply - this is one fact that MBTF doesnt cover.
> > > Since F = fail. So long as it glows at 10% power it isnt failed.
> >
> > What a crock of shit, the price of an item has nothing to do with the
> > life expetency, how long does a Mars Rover last ? Dude, you're speaking
> > out of your arse. Someone buying a plasma set has every right to expect
> > a Plasma set to last about as long as a CRT set on AVERAGE, don't let
> > your myopia cloud the issue. That you don't like them is irrelevant, as
> > an aside either do I but my dislike is not based on the fact I woudl have
> > to pay $12K for one.
> >
> > > So please try to look past the stupidity and check the reality.
> >
> > Agreed, I am still waiting for you to do that.
> >
> > --
> > Trevor S
> >
> >
> > "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
> > -Albert Einstein