Will the return path interfere with adsl?

[United Road]

I was under the impression that cable was two way.
I don't want digital if it's going to ruin my adsl connection.

United Road

[kyelewis]

It's probably not going to use anything high frequency like that, it will probably be just like a regular phone call.

[kyelewis]

oh, hmm, sorry, i haven't been paying attention to the group today- nor do i have a new foxtel mag yet; so I don't know :)

[MrXX]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:42:59 +1030, "United Road"
<united74@tpg.com.au> wrote:

>I don't want digital if it's going to ruin my adsl connection.
>
>United Road

ADSL is not affected

[speedracer@prodownloads.com.au]

MrXX wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:42:59 +1030, "United Road"
> <united74@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> >I don't want digital if it's going to ruin my adsl connection.
> >
> >United Road
>
> ADSL is not affected

the only thing it will affect is if you have a back to base alarm system
hooked up to the line with an ADSL conenction.

They will need to replace the current inline filter to a four port
central filter.

BUT dont worry, as the Foxtel return path will be (and I know I'll get
flammed for this) using a similar system to ISDN.

In that it will use the D channel part of the analogue copper pairs
lines.


SO the rality is that it should affect you provided they change the
inline filter to a central filter.

..

[Max Power]

This is all so crappy.

The Foxtel cable itself is a 2-way link. It can carry internet so why the
hell can't they use the Foxtel cable as the return path instead of them
f*cking with my phone line.

I really *don't* like the idea of my new Foxtel box needing to tie up my
phone line and making calls I don't know about and my phone outlet is
nowhere near my Fox box.
--
Max Power
- the name on a million hair dryers


<speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
news:40112457.FE7D5610@prodownloads.com.au...
>
>
> MrXX wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:42:59 +1030, "United Road"
> > <united74@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > >I don't want digital if it's going to ruin my adsl connection.
> > >
> > >United Road
> >
> > ADSL is not affected
>
> the only thing it will affect is if you have a back to base alarm system
> hooked up to the line with an ADSL conenction.
>
> They will need to replace the current inline filter to a four port
> central filter.
>
> BUT dont worry, as the Foxtel return path will be (and I know I'll get
> flammed for this) using a similar system to ISDN.
>
> In that it will use the D channel part of the analogue copper pairs
> lines.
>
>
> SO the rality is that it should affect you provided they change the
> inline filter to a central filter.
>
> .
>
>
>
>

[speedracer@prodownloads.com.au]

Max Power wrote:

> This is all so crappy.
>
> The Foxtel cable itself is a 2-way link. It can carry internet so why the
> hell can't they use the Foxtel cable as the return path instead of them
> f*cking with my phone line.

as I said before it comes down to Digital Modulation v Ananlogue modulation of
the 2-way signals.

Also Telstra is the only provider who can use the 2-way interactive services.

FOXTEL cant due to a stupid agreement that News Limited did with Telsra back
in 1994.

>
>
> I really *don't* like the idea of my new Foxtel box needing to tie up my
> phone line and making calls I don't know about and my phone outlet is
> nowhere near my Fox box.

I think that will put a lot of people off, when they find out that the when
they go to make a phone call all they get is a no service signal due to D-STU
sending info back to Foxtel.

[Max Power]

<speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
news:4011AE8B.F4F84190@prodownloads.com.au...
>
> Also Telstra is the only provider who can use the 2-way interactive
services.
>
> FOXTEL cant due to a stupid agreement that News Limited did with Telsra
back
> in 1994.

I don't understand this. They should just ammend the agreement.

So what you are saying is the agreement means the only interactive data
which can use the cable is Telstra Bigpond cable - therefore every single
customer has to literally build a bypass "bridge" from their new Foxtel box
with a new set of wires running back into their telephone line - so this
alternate return path bypasses the Telstra BigPond cable "agreement".

HOW F-ING STUPID IS THAT!

* A MILLION subscribers all needing to build their own little bypass
"bridges" with extra wiring, connections, stuffing around, etc...

* A MILLION subscribers probably all being billed a "local call" cost every
time the Foxtel box needs to phone home. No wonder Telstra won't just let
them use their own damned cable! A million local call charges once or twice
a day from Foxtel subscribers would certainly help Telstra's bottom line.

* What if you don't have a phone service? A lot of people choose not to
have a landline connection these days - instead relying on their mobile
phone. Will they be FORCED to get a line connected and pay TELSTRA (there's
that name again) a hefty "line rental" fee each month for a line used only
by the Foxtel box ?

* What if you use your line with a dial-up (not ADSL) modem? The Foxtel box
will cause this connection to just "drop out" will it not ?? Not to
mention you'll then need to make another call to reconnect your dial-up
internet - another win for Telstra.

A MILLION subscribers grosely inconvenienced so Telstra can win win win!

I have never seen anything so CRIMINAL. We are all being taken for a ride
here and it's important that the ABS, the ACCC and TIO are made aware of
what is going on.

> I think that will put a lot of people off, when they find out that the
when
> they go to make a phone call all they get is a no service signal due to
D-STU
> sending info back to Foxtel.

YOU'D BETTER BLOODY BELIEVE IT.

Funny they don't mention ANY of this in their press releases and magazine
inserts.

[speedracer@prodownloads.com.au]

Max Power wrote:

> <speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4011AE8B.F4F84190@prodownloads.com.au...
> >
> > Also Telstra is the only provider who can use the 2-way interactive
> services.
> >
> > FOXTEL cant due to a stupid agreement that News Limited did with Telsra
> back
> > in 1994.
>
> I don't understand this. They should just ammend the agreement.

They wont as PBL and News dont want to provide broadband interactive services
(thats a PROPER BROADBAND CONNECTION)
via the Telstra HFC network.

That is why back in 1999 News and PBL tried there best to buy the Optus HFC
network (while releasing the Cable Internet and LAT services back to Optus)

And its also why the CSA Mark 1 deal included FOXTEL having the first and last
rights to buy the Optus HFC network if Optus were to sell it.

The ACCC said no way to that and thus they removed it.

>
>
> So what you are saying is the agreement means the only interactive data
> which can use the cable is Telstra Bigpond cable - therefore every single
> customer has to literally build a bypass "bridge" from their new Foxtel box
> with a new set of wires running back into their telephone line - so this
> alternate return path bypasses the Telstra BigPond cable "agreement".
>

Yes

>
> HOW F-ING STUPID IS THAT!
>

Yes it is, I want to see MrXX try to answer to that.

>
> * A MILLION subscribers all needing to build their own little bypass
> "bridges" with extra wiring, connections, stuffing around, etc...
>
> * A MILLION subscribers probably all being billed a "local call" cost every
> time the Foxtel box needs to phone home. No wonder Telstra won't just let
> them use their own damned cable! A million local call charges once or twice
> a day from Foxtel subscribers would certainly help Telstra's bottom line.
>

It comes down to modulation.

currently the Telstra HFC is all QPSK and will continue to be that way for a dam
long time.

>
> * What if you don't have a phone service? A lot of people choose not to
> have a landline connection these days - instead relying on their mobile
> phone. Will they be FORCED to get a line connected and pay TELSTRA (there's
> that name again) a hefty "line rental" fee each month for a line used only
> by the Foxtel box ?
>

Then NO FOXTEL DIGITAL FOR YOU.

>
> * What if you use your line with a dial-up (not ADSL) modem? The Foxtel box
> will cause this connection to just "drop out" will it not ?? Not to
> mention you'll then need to make another call to reconnect your dial-up
> internet - another win for Telstra.
>

As I said, there are ways around that such as V.92 (which will be starting soon)

or using the D Channel on the copper pairs (very similar to ISDN but in an
analogue environment)

>
> A MILLION subscribers grosely inconvenienced so Telstra can win win win!
>
> I have never seen anything so CRIMINAL. We are all being taken for a ride
> here and it's important that the ABS, the ACCC and TIO are made aware of
> what is going on.

The ABA has nothing to do with side of the medium

The ACCC have approved this format for Digital TV and the TIO, well they dont
cover pay TV.

>
>
> > I think that will put a lot of people off, when they find out that the
> when
> > they go to make a phone call all they get is a no service signal due to
> D-STU
> > sending info back to Foxtel.
>
> YOU'D BETTER BLOODY BELIEVE IT.

As I said, it will fail.

Kim said he wants at least 800,000 Digital pay TV subscribers.

So from his point of view how does that = 40% take up rate when they are gonna
switch off the ananlogue foxtel customer base

So the reality is pay TV will be stuck at 23%

Nice one Kim.

>
>
> Funny they don't mention ANY of this in their press releases and magazine
> inserts.

Of course they wont do that right now, but they will be forced to provide the
fine print soon enough

[foo]

speedracer@prodownloads.com.au wrote in
news:4011CB7D.38059FE7@prodownloads.com.au:

>
>
> Max Power wrote:
>
>> <speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4011AE8B.F4F84190@prodownloads.com.au...
>> >
>> > Also Telstra is the only provider who can use the 2-way interactive
>> services.
>> >
>> > FOXTEL cant due to a stupid agreement that News Limited did with
>> > Telsra
>> back
>> > in 1994.
>>

Prove it.

>>
>> So what you are saying is the agreement means the only interactive
>> data which can use the cable is Telstra Bigpond cable - therefore
>> every single customer has to literally build a bypass "bridge" from
>> their new Foxtel box with a new set of wires running back into their
>> telephone line - so this alternate return path bypasses the Telstra
>> BigPond cable "agreement".
>>
>
> Yes

Prove it.

>>
>> HOW F-ING STUPID IS THAT!
>>
>
> Yes it is, I want to see MrXX try to answer to that.

If it was true it'd be interesting. Got any proof?

>> * A MILLION subscribers probably all being billed a "local call" cost
>> every time the Foxtel box needs to phone home.
>> No wonder Telstra
>> won't just let them use their own damned cable! A million local call
>> charges once or twice a day

Not likely given the way SKYNZ and BSKYB work. One per month is about it.

>> from Foxtel subscribers would certainly
>> help Telstra's bottom line.

Why wouldnt Telstra have charged just as much for access to the cable?

> It comes down to modulation.
>
> currently the Telstra HFC is all QPSK and will continue to be that way
> for a dam long time.

Uh - DVB Digital cable services are broadcast in QAM. Not QPSK.
Analogue signals are ANALOGUE.

>> * What if you don't have a phone service? A lot of people choose not
>> to have a landline connection these days - instead relying on their
>> mobile phone. Will they be FORCED to get a line connected and pay
>> TELSTRA (there's that name again) a hefty "line rental" fee each
>> month for a line used only by the Foxtel box ?
>>
>
> Then NO FOXTEL DIGITAL FOR YOU.

That's probably true for all of the PPV and other services that HAVE to use
the return path, just like in the UK and NZ.

But may not be true fro all services. We'll see..

>> * What if you use your line with a dial-up (not ADSL) modem? The
>> Foxtel box will cause this connection to just "drop out" will it not
>> ?? Not to mention you'll then need to make another call to
>> reconnect your dial-up internet - another win for Telstra.

No - if its just a PSTN modem you certainly can have both going at the same
time with no problems.

> As I said, there are ways around that such as V.92 (which will be
> starting soon)
>
> or using the D Channel on the copper pairs (very similar to ISDN but
> in an analogue environment)

OH yeah?

>> A MILLION subscribers grosely inconvenienced so Telstra can win win
>> win!
>>
>> I have never seen anything so CRIMINAL. We are all being taken for a
>> ride here and it's important that the ABS, the ACCC and TIO are made
>> aware of what is going on.
>
> The ABA has nothing to do with side of the medium
>
> The ACCC have approved this format for Digital TV and the TIO, well
> they dont cover pay TV.

Keep those conspiracy-ray-proof tinfoil hats on guys.

>> > I think that will put a lot of people off, when they find out that
>> > the
>> when
>> > they go to make a phone call all they get is a no service signal
>> > due to
>> D-STU
>> > sending info back to Foxtel.

Since most modem chips nowadays have level detection, noticing a line
pickup or busy is pretty simple..

>> YOU'D BETTER BLOODY BELIEVE IT.
>
> As I said, it will fail.
>
> Kim said he wants at least 800,000 Digital pay TV subscribers.
>
> So from his point of view how does that = 40% take up rate when they
> are gonna switch off the ananlogue foxtel customer base
>
> So the reality is pay TV will be stuck at 23%
>
> Nice one Kim.

The nice thing about google is that it lets you bring back posts like this
one for later.

[Atomic Vegetable]

"foo" <foo@bar.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947B12DA0EE5Dfubar@203.109.252.31...
> speedracer@prodownloads.com.au wrote in
> news:4011CB7D.38059FE7@prodownloads.com.au:
>
> >
> >
> > Max Power wrote:
> >
> >> <speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news:4011AE8B.F4F84190@prodownloads.com.au...
> >> >
> >> > Also Telstra is the only provider who can use the 2-way interactive
> >> services.
> >> >
> >> > FOXTEL cant due to a stupid agreement that News Limited did with
> >> > Telsra
> >> back
> >> > in 1994.
> >>
>
> Prove it.
>
> >>
> >> So what you are saying is the agreement means the only interactive
> >> data which can use the cable is Telstra Bigpond cable - therefore
> >> every single customer has to literally build a bypass "bridge" from
> >> their new Foxtel box with a new set of wires running back into their
> >> telephone line - so this alternate return path bypasses the Telstra
> >> BigPond cable "agreement".
> >>
> >
> > Yes
>
> Prove it.
>
> >>
> >> HOW F-ING STUPID IS THAT!
> >>
> >
> > Yes it is, I want to see MrXX try to answer to that.
>
> If it was true it'd be interesting. Got any proof?
>
> >> * A MILLION subscribers probably all being billed a "local call" cost
> >> every time the Foxtel box needs to phone home.
> >> No wonder Telstra
> >> won't just let them use their own damned cable! A million local call
> >> charges once or twice a day
>
> Not likely given the way SKYNZ and BSKYB work. One per month is about it.
>
> >> from Foxtel subscribers would certainly
> >> help Telstra's bottom line.
>
> Why wouldnt Telstra have charged just as much for access to the cable?
>
> > It comes down to modulation.
> >
> > currently the Telstra HFC is all QPSK and will continue to be that way
> > for a dam long time.
>
> Uh - DVB Digital cable services are broadcast in QAM. Not QPSK.
> Analogue signals are ANALOGUE.
>
> >> * What if you don't have a phone service? A lot of people choose not
> >> to have a landline connection these days - instead relying on their
> >> mobile phone. Will they be FORCED to get a line connected and pay
> >> TELSTRA (there's that name again) a hefty "line rental" fee each
> >> month for a line used only by the Foxtel box ?
> >>
> >
> > Then NO FOXTEL DIGITAL FOR YOU.
>
> That's probably true for all of the PPV and other services that HAVE to
use
> the return path, just like in the UK and NZ.
>
> But may not be true fro all services. We'll see..
>
> >> * What if you use your line with a dial-up (not ADSL) modem? The
> >> Foxtel box will cause this connection to just "drop out" will it not
> >> ?? Not to mention you'll then need to make another call to
> >> reconnect your dial-up internet - another win for Telstra.
>
> No - if its just a PSTN modem you certainly can have both going at the
same
> time with no problems.
>
> > As I said, there are ways around that such as V.92 (which will be
> > starting soon)
> >
> > or using the D Channel on the copper pairs (very similar to ISDN but
> > in an analogue environment)
>
> OH yeah?
>
> >> A MILLION subscribers grosely inconvenienced so Telstra can win win
> >> win!
> >>
> >> I have never seen anything so CRIMINAL. We are all being taken for a
> >> ride here and it's important that the ABS, the ACCC and TIO are made
> >> aware of what is going on.
> >
> > The ABA has nothing to do with side of the medium
> >
> > The ACCC have approved this format for Digital TV and the TIO, well
> > they dont cover pay TV.
>
> Keep those conspiracy-ray-proof tinfoil hats on guys.
>
> >> > I think that will put a lot of people off, when they find out that
> >> > the
> >> when
> >> > they go to make a phone call all they get is a no service signal
> >> > due to
> >> D-STU
> >> > sending info back to Foxtel.
>
> Since most modem chips nowadays have level detection, noticing a line
> pickup or busy is pretty simple..
>
> >> YOU'D BETTER BLOODY BELIEVE IT.
> >
> > As I said, it will fail.
> >
> > Kim said he wants at least 800,000 Digital pay TV subscribers.
> >
> > So from his point of view how does that = 40% take up rate when they
> > are gonna switch off the ananlogue foxtel customer base
> >
> > So the reality is pay TV will be stuck at 23%
> >
> > Nice one Kim.
>
> The nice thing about google is that it lets you bring back posts like this
> one for later.

Prove it!

[speedracer@prodownloads.com.au]

foo wrote:

> speedracer@prodownloads.com.au wrote in
> news:4011CB7D.38059FE7@prodownloads.com.au:
>
> >
> >
> > Max Power wrote:
> >
> >> <speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
> >> news:4011AE8B.F4F84190@prodownloads.com.au...
> >> >
> >> > Also Telstra is the only provider who can use the 2-way interactive
> >> services.
> >> >
> >> > FOXTEL cant due to a stupid agreement that News Limited did with
> >> > Telsra
> >> back
> >> > in 1994.
> >>
>
> Prove it.

Gees ok then I will.

Just how lazy are some people:



>

First link:

Read it carefully please.

http://web.archive.org/web/19961104220737/www.foxtel.com.au/intro/

Second Link (How silly of me to forget about Telstra Multimedia Pty.ltd)

http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=2489

thrid link which prooves my point about News ltfd not being able to provide a
broadband digital return path via the HFC network
While it does not state the TNA, many poeple here can also confirm that there
was a Telstra/News greement during 1994, or get the book called The Gate
Keepers and read it.

http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=1986

>"I and many others in the Telstra group have previously detailed to the
public, the communications and information services industries, the media and
Optus Vision the capabilities of the Telstra Multimedia broadband cable
network.

Were still waiting for them, note thoase comments were made in 1996.


>"These details certainly included the capability for interactive services such
as electronic commerce, home banking, and teleshopping to name a few, and
interactive television services when they are commercially developed.

HA HA HA were still waiting for them via a set top unit and we wont be seeing
them via set top unit for a long long if ever:



>Mr Moriarty said the detractors seemed to jump to their wrongful position
because Telstra Multimedia was not, in the initial stage of its broadband
network construction, equipping it to carry telephony.

which was a shame at the time as they could of offered high speed 33.6 k dial
up speed during 1996. (think about it before you reply back: NOTE 1996)

>"It would clearly be a waste of money at this stage duplicating the high
quality telephone service already provided over Telstra’s copper wire network
and which is installed in virtually every business and residence across
Australia.


But it would of made a lot of people happy since they were stuck on 1950 copper
and Pair gain systems or RIMS.

>"Over time we will do this, but there is no need to at this stage.

HA HA HA HA HA still waiting for them to activate a HFC telephony system.

>"Our priority is to continually bring onto the "network of the future” new and
yet to be thought of services that will meet the progressive and changing needs
of the Australian community," Mr Moriarty said.

yeah well its 2004, so thats 8 years and were still waiting for them to
develier High Speed 2 way communications network that turns your TV into a PC.

>"Australians are continuing to demonstrate that they are among the most
prolific in the world in taking up new sources of information supply and
entertainment.

Well only if the entwork provider rolls out the system we want.

>"Telstra’s joint venture cable television initiative with News Ltd, FOXTEL,
the first commercial application across our broadband network connected more
than 60,000 subscribers in only its first five months and current trends are
that the rate of new connections is growing."


That back up my point.

>Mr Moriarty said any reasonable understanding of the emerging and converging
information services would recognise how well placed Telstra is to respond to
the demands and needs of Australia’s business and individuals today and in the
decades ahead through its development of its fully interactive broadband
network

Yep we have waited for 8 years for Telstra to devliver and were still waiting,
I still have the promotinal video that telstra sent out to everyone claiming
there TV will be the gateway to the 2-way digital cable interactive world.

[Atomic Vegetable]

<speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
news:4012914F.5BF7F9D8@prodownloads.com.au...
>
>
> foo wrote:
>
> > speedracer@prodownloads.com.au wrote in
> > news:4011CB7D.38059FE7@prodownloads.com.au:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Max Power wrote:
> > >
> > >> <speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
> > >> news:4011AE8B.F4F84190@prodownloads.com.au...
> > >> >
> > >> > Also Telstra is the only provider who can use the 2-way interactive
> > >> services.
> > >> >
> > >> > FOXTEL cant due to a stupid agreement that News Limited did with
> > >> > Telsra
> > >> back
> > >> > in 1994.
> > >>
> >
> > Prove it.
>
> Gees ok then I will.
>
> Just how lazy are some people:
>
>
>
> >
>
> First link:
>
> Read it carefully please.
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/19961104220737/www.foxtel.com.au/intro/
>
> Second Link (How silly of me to forget about Telstra Multimedia Pty.ltd)
>
>
http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?Obj
ectID=2489
>
> thrid link which prooves my point about News ltfd not being able to
provide a
> broadband digital return path via the HFC network
> While it does not state the TNA, many poeple here can also confirm that
there
> was a Telstra/News greement during 1994, or get the book called The Gate
> Keepers and read it.
>
>
http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?Obj
ectID=1986
>
> >"I and many others in the Telstra group have previously detailed to the
> public, the communications and information services industries, the media
and
> Optus Vision the capabilities of the Telstra Multimedia broadband cable
> network.
>
> Were still waiting for them, note thoase comments were made in 1996.
>
>
> >"These details certainly included the capability for interactive services
such
> as electronic commerce, home banking, and teleshopping to name a few, and
> interactive television services when they are commercially developed.
>
> HA HA HA were still waiting for them via a set top unit and we wont be
seeing
> them via set top unit for a long long if ever:
>
>
>
> >Mr Moriarty said the detractors seemed to jump to their wrongful position
> because Telstra Multimedia was not, in the initial stage of its broadband
> network construction, equipping it to carry telephony.
>
> which was a shame at the time as they could of offered high speed 33.6 k
dial
> up speed during 1996. (think about it before you reply back: NOTE 1996)
>
> >"It would clearly be a waste of money at this stage duplicating the high
> quality telephone service already provided over Telstra's copper wire
network
> and which is installed in virtually every business and residence across
> Australia.
>
>
> But it would of made a lot of people happy since they were stuck on 1950
copper
> and Pair gain systems or RIMS.
>
> >"Over time we will do this, but there is no need to at this stage.
>
> HA HA HA HA HA still waiting for them to activate a HFC telephony system.
>
> >"Our priority is to continually bring onto the "network of the future"
new and
> yet to be thought of services that will meet the progressive and changing
needs
> of the Australian community," Mr Moriarty said.
>
> yeah well its 2004, so thats 8 years and were still waiting for them to
> develier High Speed 2 way communications network that turns your TV into a
PC.
>
> >"Australians are continuing to demonstrate that they are among the most
> prolific in the world in taking up new sources of information supply and
> entertainment.
>
> Well only if the entwork provider rolls out the system we want.
>
> >"Telstra's joint venture cable television initiative with News Ltd,
FOXTEL,
> the first commercial application across our broadband network connected
more
> than 60,000 subscribers in only its first five months and current trends
are
> that the rate of new connections is growing."
>
>
> That back up my point.
>
> >Mr Moriarty said any reasonable understanding of the emerging and converg
ing
> information services would recognise how well placed Telstra is to respond
to
> the demands and needs of Australia's business and individuals today and in
the
> decades ahead through its development of its fully interactive broadband
> network
>
> Yep we have waited for 8 years for Telstra to devliver and were still
waiting,
> I still have the promotinal video that telstra sent out to everyone
claiming
> there TV will be the gateway to the 2-way digital cable interactive world.

Prove it!

[MrXX]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:40:39 +1100, speedracer@prodownloads.com.au
wrote:

>
>
>MrXX wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:42:59 +1030, "United Road"
>> <united74@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> >I don't want digital if it's going to ruin my adsl connection.
>> >
>> >United Road
>>
>> ADSL is not affected
>
>the only thing it will affect bla, bla, bla

Ahem.....as I said, your ADSL service will not be affected.

[Max Power]

<speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
news:4012914F.5BF7F9D8@prodownloads.com.au...

> Yep we have waited for 8 years for Telstra to devliver and were still
waiting,
> I still have the promotinal video that telstra sent out to everyone
claiming
> there TV will be the gateway to the 2-way digital cable interactive world.


I was promised by Foxtel back in 1995 that we could help them "beta test"
their new interactive TV services - they told me it would be a 2-way service
over the cable.

Still waiting to get the info...

Obviously there's little substance behind all the marketing fanfare.

[foo]

"Atomic Vegetable" <vegetable@market.com> wrote in
news:40128bd8@funnel.arach.net.au:

>
> "foo" <foo@bar.com> wrote in message

[my previous message]

> Prove it!

Modem chips can do line detection.
BSkyB and Sky NZ do about a callback a month - go read their newsgroups.
DVBs standards are on the internet.

As for the rest; we'll have to see if foxtel proposes to use a 1300, 1900,
1800 or whatever number..

[foo]

speedracer@prodownloads.com.au wrote in
news:4012914F.5BF7F9D8@prodownloads.com.au:

>
>
> foo wrote:
>
>> speedracer@prodownloads.com.au wrote in
>> news:4011CB7D.38059FE7@prodownloads.com.au:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Max Power wrote:
>> >
>> >> <speedracer@prodownloads.com.au> wrote in message
>> >> news:4011AE8B.F4F84190@prodownloads.com.au...
>> >> >
>> >> > Also Telstra is the only provider who can use the 2-way
>> >> > interactive services.
>> >> >
>> >> > FOXTEL cant due to a stupid agreement that News Limited did with
>> >> > Telsra back in 1994.
>> >>
>>
>> Prove it.
>
> Gees ok then I will.
>
> Just how lazy are some people:

Why should I try to prove your false claim?

> First link:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/19961104220737/www.foxtel.com.au/intro/

Nothing more than the old foxtel website. Make a citation.

>
> Second Link (How silly of me to forget about Telstra Multimedia
> Pty.ltd)
>
> http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cf
> m?ObjectID=2489

An announcement of the creation of TMPL - again, nothing about foxtel being
unable to offer 2 way interactive services. Make a citation.


>
> thrid link which prooves my point about News ltfd not being able to
> provide a broadband digital return path via the HFC network
> While it does not state the TNA, many poeple here can also confirm
> that there was a Telstra/News greement during 1994, or get the book
> called The Gate Keepers and read it.
>
> http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cf
> m?ObjectID=1986
>

It proves nothing of the sort.

It was a press release contradicting statements that telstras network could
"do" only one-way analogue pay television. nothing about foxtel being
unable to offer 2 way interactive services. Make a citation.

So you're hitting 0 for three so far. Care to try again?

>>"I and many others in the Telstra group have previously detailed to
>>the
> public, the communications and information services industries, the
> media and Optus Vision the capabilities of the Telstra Multimedia
> broadband cable network.
>
> Were still waiting for them, note thoase comments were made in 1996.

What services do you think SHOULD have been provided, eh?

beyond cable modems and digital interactive tv..?

>>"These details certainly included the capability for interactive
>>services such
> as electronic commerce, home banking, and teleshopping to name a few,
> and interactive television services when they are commercially
> developed.
>
> HA HA HA were still waiting for them via a set top unit and we wont be
> seeing them via set top unit for a long long if ever:

I'll bet you a thousand bucks it'll be within two years.

> which was a shame at the time as they could of offered high speed 33.6
> k dial up speed during 1996. (think about it before you reply back:
> NOTE 1996)

Sorry, we arent talking about dialup internet. Tell someone who gives a
crap ;-) nothing about foxtel being unable to offer 2 way interactive
services. Make a citation.



>>"Over time we will do this, but there is no need to at this stage.
>
> HA HA HA HA HA still waiting for them to activate a HFC telephony
> system.

Maybe they never will.

But that's Irrelelevant to foxtel being unable to offer 2 way interactive
services. Make a citation.


>>"Our priority is to continually bring onto the "network of the future”
>>new and
> yet to be thought of services that will meet the progressive and
> changing needs of the Australian community," Mr Moriarty said.
>
> yeah well its 2004, so thats 8 years and were still waiting for them
> to develier High Speed 2 way communications network that turns your TV
> into a PC.

Nothing about foxtel being unable to offer 2 way interactive services.
Make a citation.

>>"Telstra’s joint venture cable television initiative with News Ltd,
>>FOXTEL,
> the first commercial application across our broadband network
> connected more than 60,000 subscribers in only its first five months
> and current trends are that the rate of new connections is growing."
>
> That back up my point.

It says nothing of the sort. it says pay tv is the first commercial
application. It says nothing about foxtel being unable to field 2 way
interactive services. Make a citation.

>
>>Mr Moriarty said any reasonable understanding of the emerging and
>>converging
> information services would recognise how well placed Telstra is to
> respond to the demands and needs of Australia’s business and
> individuals today and in the decades ahead through its development of
> its fully interactive broadband network
>
> Yep we have waited for 8 years for Telstra to devliver and were still
> waiting, I still have the promotinal video that telstra sent out to
> everyone claiming there TV will be the gateway to the 2-way digital
> cable interactive world.

Nothing about foxtel being unable to offer 2 way interactive services.
Make a citation. Gee, you find it hard to try to answer a point, don't
you.

[speedracer@prodownloads.com.au]

>
>
> An announcement of the creation of TMPL - again, nothing about foxtel being
> unable to offer 2 way interactive services. Make a citation.

I think you answered the qauestion yourself.

I completey forgot that Telstra Multi Media Pty.Ltd was the only Telstra
division that was allowed to use the Telstra 2-way INTERACTIVE features that
the HFC could handle.

My Mad My Bad.

>
>
> >
> > thrid link which prooves my point about News ltfd not being able to
> > provide a broadband digital return path via the HFC network
> > While it does not state the TNA, many poeple here can also confirm
> > that there was a Telstra/News greement during 1994, or get the book
> > called The Gate Keepers and read it.
> >
> > http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cf
> > m?ObjectID=1986
> >
>
> It proves nothing of the sort.
>

What part of Get the book "The Gate Keepers" dont you understand Moo (foo)


All the answers are in that great mark Wetfeild Book.

go on borrow it (or buy it) and read the whole dam thing.

>
> It was a press release contradicting statements that telstras network could
> "do" only one-way analogue pay television. nothing about foxtel being
> unable to offer 2 way interactive services. Make a citation.
>
> So you're hitting 0 for three so far. Care to try again?
>

Nope 3 from 3 sonny.

>
> >>"I and many others in the Telstra group have previously detailed to
> >>the
> > public, the communications and information services industries, the
> > media and Optus Vision the capabilities of the Telstra Multimedia
> > broadband cable network.
> >
> > Were still waiting for them, note thoase comments were made in 1996.
>
> What services do you think SHOULD have been provided, eh?
>

Oh Televison banking, Detailed Weather Reports via the TV (and not FOXTEL
Weather)
ect ... I still have the video where telstra calims they were gonna broadcast
the 2000 Olympic Gaes via its Cable to Telstra Customers.


Once again they failed to provide anything other than the C7 feed.

>
> beyond cable modems and digital interactive tv..?
>
> >>"These details certainly included the capability for interactive
> >>services such
> > as electronic commerce, home banking, and teleshopping to name a few,
> > and interactive television services when they are commercially
> > developed.
> >
> > HA HA HA were still waiting for them via a set top unit and we wont be
> > seeing them via set top unit for a long long if ever:
>
> I'll bet you a thousand bucks it'll be within two years.
>

within 2 years, yet that press release is fucking 8 years old, come Moo (foo)
get with reality of 2004 will you.

>
> > which was a shame at the time as they could of offered high speed 33.6
> > k dial up speed during 1996. (think about it before you reply back:
> > NOTE 1996)
>
> Sorry, we arent talking about dialup internet. Tell someone who gives a
> crap ;-) nothing about foxtel being unable to offer 2 way interactive
> services. Make a citation.
>
>

Was there fucking V.90 Ananlogue Compression back in 1996 you twat!

No there was not you fucking idiot

This press release is dated 1996, what were you like 5 years old back then Moo
(foo).

>
>
> >>"Over time we will do this, but there is no need to at this stage.
> >
> > HA HA HA HA HA still waiting for them to activate a HFC telephony
> > system.
>
> Maybe they never will.
>

Yet they claimed, over time we will do this


See even back then just like kim the other day they said false things.



>
> But that's Irrelelevant to foxtel being unable to offer 2 way interactive
> services. Make a citation.
>
>

Oh is it, thats why the return pathj is via a telstra copper network systeem
and not the telstra HFC system.

Make a ciation that Moo (foo) has shown to whole newsgroup that he is as stupid
as his name suggests.

>
> >>"Our priority is to continually bring onto the "network of the future”
> >>new and
> > yet to be thought of services that will meet the progressive and
> > changing needs of the Australian community," Mr Moriarty said.
> >
> > yeah well its 2004, so thats 8 years and were still waiting for them
> > to develier High Speed 2 way communications network that turns your TV
> > into a PC.
>
> Nothing about foxtel being unable to offer 2 way interactive services.
>

Yet you cant see beyond the fact that this press relases is about Telstra
haveing the EXCLUSIVE rights to use the HFC for interactive service.

If you cant see that then you are trully blind moo (foo)


>
> >>"Telstra’s joint venture cable television initiative with News Ltd,
> >>FOXTEL,
> > the first commercial application across our broadband network
> > connected more than 60,000 subscribers in only its first five months
> > and current trends are that the rate of new connections is growing."
> >
> > That back up my point.
>
> It says nothing of the sort. it says pay tv is the first commercial
> application. It says nothing about foxtel being unable to field 2 way
> interactive services. Make a citation.
>

Via the HFC network moron, are you lame or what, you cant decide if its craptel
or telcrap cant you ihug boy.

>
> >
> >>Mr Moriarty said any reasonable understanding of the emerging and
> >>converging
> > information services would recognise how well placed Telstra is to
> > respond to the demands and needs of Australia’s business and
> > individuals today and in the decades ahead through its development of
> > its fully interactive broadband network
> >
> > Yep we have waited for 8 years for Telstra to devliver and were still
> > waiting, I still have the promotinal video that telstra sent out to
> > everyone claiming there TV will be the gateway to the 2-way digital
> > cable interactive world.
>
> Nothing about foxtel being unable to offer 2 way interactive services.
> Make a citation. Gee, you find it hard to try to answer a point, don't
> you.

Once again you twat, via the fucking HFC network.

My god your IQ is 5 thus you are a retard.


Sorry to make you look like a fool shit foo (moo - for) brians

[Atomic Vegetable]

"foo" <foo@bar.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947BB52206499fubar@203.109.252.31...
> "Atomic Vegetable" <vegetable@market.com> wrote in
> news:40128bd8@funnel.arach.net.au:
>
> >
> > "foo" <foo@bar.com> wrote in message
>
> [my previous message]
>
> > Prove it!
>
> Modem chips can do line detection.
> BSkyB and Sky NZ do about a callback a month - go read their newsgroups.
> DVBs standards are on the internet.
>
> As for the rest; we'll have to see if foxtel proposes to use a 1300, 1900,
> 1800 or whatever number..

Prove it!

(this could go on for years)

[foo]

"Atomic Vegetable" <vegetable@market.com> wrote in
news:4013e1e0$1@funnel.arach.net.au:

>
> "foo" <foo@bar.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns947BB52206499fubar@203.109.252.31...
>> "Atomic Vegetable" <vegetable@market.com> wrote in
>> news:40128bd8@funnel.arach.net.au:
>>
>> >
>> > "foo" <foo@bar.com> wrote in message
>>
>> [my previous message]
>>
>> > Prove it!
>>
>> Modem chips can do line detection.
>> BSkyB and Sky NZ do about a callback a month - go read their
>> newsgroups. DVBs standards are on the internet.
>>
>> As for the rest; we'll have to see if foxtel proposes to use a 1300,
>> 1900, 1800 or whatever number..
>
> Prove it!
>
> (this could go on for years)

Only up until the point where you're just being an idiot ;-)