about foxtel widescreen

[jason887]

wouldn't it make sense to broadcast every foxtel channel in widescreen so that if there are any 16:9 programs, we can see them in their full aspect ratio. I know lifestyle and ovation have many shows in 16:9 ratio but the channels are staying as 4:3.

[Brissie]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:24:38 +1100, jason887
<jason887.11n6aj@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote:

>
>wouldn't it make sense to broadcast every foxtel channel in widescreen

Because 99% of the shows on TV1 are in fullscreen

[Brissie]

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:24:38 +1100, jason887
<jason887.11n6aj@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote:

>
>wouldn't it make sense to broadcast every foxtel channel in widescreen
>so that if there are any 16:9 programs, we can see them in their full
>aspect ratio. I know lifestyle and ovation have many shows in 16:9
>ratio but the channels are staying as 4:3.

Also the owners of Ovation don't want it in widescreen, so it's not
Foxtel's fault.

[Evan]

"Brissie" <brissie@zwallet.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:24:38 +1100, jason887
> <jason887.11n6aj@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >wouldn't it make sense to broadcast every foxtel channel in widescreen
> >so that if there are any 16:9 programs, we can see them in their full
> >aspect ratio. I know lifestyle and ovation have many shows in 16:9
> >ratio but the channels are staying as 4:3.
>
> Also the owners of Ovation don't want it in widescreen, so it's not
> Foxtel's fault.

Or more likely, don't want to pay to convert their presentation and output
suites to widescreen.


Both Ovation and MTV (another non-widescreen channel I noticed) are owned by
Optus.


Evan :->

[jason887]

Because 99% of the shows on TV1 are in fullscreen

Not true, recent shows like Charmed & the more recent american sitcoms on TV1 would possible be shown in widescreen. The rest of the shows would be shown in 4:3 just like they already are. UKTV only has 2 programs in widescreen (coronation drive & eastenders) but yet they broadcast in widescreen. If it is viable for UKTV then i don't see why the other channels can't, they already have the equipment to do so.
I don't think it would be much trouble for foxtel to switch all their channels to widescreen since they are putting so much money into the digital upgrade.

I understand that they aren't able to put every channel into widescreen since they are not run by foxtel like Fashion TV & TVSN & like Evan mentions that MTV and Ovation are also run by Optus.

[speedracer@prodownloads.com]

Evan wrote:

> "Brissie" <brissie@zwallet.com> wrote in message
> news:l8gt20190egve0h2dg0sqmcg1kkepj62tt@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:24:38 +1100, jason887
> > <jason887.11n6aj@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >wouldn't it make sense to broadcast every foxtel channel in widescreen
> > >so that if there are any 16:9 programs, we can see them in their full
> > >aspect ratio. I know lifestyle and ovation have many shows in 16:9
> > >ratio but the channels are staying as 4:3.
> >
> > Also the owners of Ovation don't want it in widescreen, so it's not
> > Foxtel's fault.
>
> Or more likely, don't want to pay to convert their presentation and output
> suites to widescreen.
>
> Both Ovation and MTV (another non-widescreen channel I noticed) are owned by
> Optus.
>

OmniLab have digital TV servers at Belrose and at North Ryde (yes Optus is still
there for certain TV production services, but are based in the Interactive Side
of the building :-)

What it comes down to is Bandwidth

Since Foxtel have something like 25 channels that are staying analogue that is

30Mbits x 25 channels = 750Mbits being pumped down the cable to the Pay TV Hub
which then converts them to electric signals.


Hence NO BANDWIDTH to cover all channel in proper 4:3 SD:TV or even 16:9 SD:TV
WS

and just forget about HD, Telstra and Optus cant provide that untill they go to
DOCSIS 2.0 (Optus is already D2 compatiale) because the when you provide 1
channel in HD your BACK END (that way the BOX does not losse conenction) needs
the same sending power.

i.e.: 8Mbits to 12Mbits

That is a huge ammount of bandwidth, well into the DVD range of quality.

>
> Evan :->

[Mike]

"speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au> wrote
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> 30Mbits x 25 channels = 750Mbits being pumped down the cable to the Pay TV
Hub
> which then converts them to electric signals.

What makes you think they are running 30Mbps per channel to the hub? thats
twice the bandwidth of HDTV broadcasts (depending on who is doing the
broadcasting) and about 10 times the bandwidth used per channel for
satellite customers which will most likely be the same when the cable goes
digital, why would they use so much bandwidth for one part of the journey
only to downconvert it for the last section of the journey?

Mike

[speedracer@prodownloads.com]

Mike wrote:

> "speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au> wrote
> in message news:402EDF30.23F7BC70@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
>
> > 30Mbits x 25 channels = 750Mbits being pumped down the cable to the Pay TV
> Hub
> > which then converts them to electric signals.
>
> What makes you think they are running 30Mbps per channel to the hub?

All Analogue channels must run at 30Mbits to have any decent quality via HFC.

Do a wave form test via your computer and a TV Tuner card.

you will see what type of bandwidth they run.

> thats
> twice the bandwidth of HDTV broadcasts (depending on who is doing the
> broadcasting)

Nope, HD:TV also runs at 30Mbits but in digital compression.




> and about 10 times the bandwidth used per channel for
> satellite customers which will most likely be the same when the cable goes
> digital,

Satellie which is MPEG2 runs at around the 8 to 12 Mbits mark, BUT then again
its MPEG2

> why would they use so much bandwidth for one part of the journey
> only to downconvert it for the last section of the journey?

Why donw convert it?

well the Tuners on both Optus and Foxtel analogue set top units are 4:3 Analogue
based.

[Mike]

"speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au> wrote
in message news:402F0026.DE021157@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
> All Analogue channels must run at 30Mbits to have any decent quality via
HFC.
>
> Do a wave form test via your computer and a TV Tuner card.
>
> you will see what type of bandwidth they run.

That is an uncompressed digital stream capture of an analogue signal, you
would get the same result decompressing a compressed digital stream

>
> > thats
> > twice the bandwidth of HDTV broadcasts (depending on who is doing the
> > broadcasting)
>
> Nope, HD:TV also runs at 30Mbits but in digital compression.

How can the FTA broadcasters transmit a 30Mbps signal on a carrier only
capable of a maximum of 20Mbps?

>
> > and about 10 times the bandwidth used per channel for
> > satellite customers which will most likely be the same when the cable
goes
> > digital,
>
> Satellie which is MPEG2 runs at around the 8 to 12 Mbits mark, BUT then
again
> its MPEG2

MPEG2 has a variable bitrate, it depends on the available bandwidth and
required quality as to what the bitrate is, DVD's are usually around 10Mbps
but most paytv channels are encoded at around 3Mbps.

>
> > why would they use so much bandwidth for one part of the journey
> > only to downconvert it for the last section of the journey?
>
> Why donw convert it?

Because if as you say they run 30Mbps per channel from the broadcast centre
to the headend it would have to be downconverted to the 3Mbps used from the
headend to the STU in digital cable and converted to a standard PAL analogue
signal (encrypted though) from the digital signal at the headend on analogue
cable where a 30Mbps stream would be ludicrously overdone given the quality
of Foxtel/Optus analogue signals

>
> well the Tuners on both Optus and Foxtel analogue set top units are 4:3
Analogue
> based.

And what does that have to do with anything? we are talking about bitrates,
not aspect ratios

Mike

[Mike]

"speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au> wrote
in message news:402F1A12.A48E029A@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
>
>
> Mike you will never learn.

I learnt a long time ago.... when will you accept that you are an idiot?

Mike

[nephi66]

"speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au> wrote
in message news:402F6011.88DC4044@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
>
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> > "speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au>
wrote
> > in message news:402F1A12.A48E029A@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike you will never learn.
> >
> > I learnt a long time ago.... when will you accept that you are an idiot?
> >
> >
>
> Dichead, do a wave form test and then post back the answers.
>
>
> Moron.


ahhhh. when he loses a discussion he returns to his well known tactic of
vugarity to press his point, how sad. Grow up and use decent language and
people might actually take you a bit more seriously, but whilst you use that
gutter language you look only like a foolish child

[Mike]

"speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au> wrote
in message news:402F6011.88DC4044@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
>
> Dichead, do a wave form test and then post back the answers.

Any test you do using an analogue video capture card is pointless as you are
testing the card, not the stream, you would get the same results doing that
test on broadcast signals or the signal coming out of your VCR...

What i would like to see is someone with a STU capable of showing the
transmission bitrate of a satellite channel and do a screencap and post
it... maybe that would shut you up.

Mike

[speedracer@prodownloads.com]

Mike wrote:

> "speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au> wrote
> in message news:402F6011.88DC4044@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
> >
> > Dichead, do a wave form test and then post back the answers.
>
> Any test you do using an analogue video capture card is pointless as you are
> testing the card, not the stream, you would get the same results doing that
> test on broadcast signals or the signal coming out of your VCR...
>
> What i would like to see is someone with a STU capable of showing the
> transmission bitrate of a satellite channel and do a screencap and post
> it... maybe that would shut you up.

Fine then tune into channel 72 (you will need to plug the coaxil line into your
F port on the TV)

It shows you the BIT RATES dickhead.

Maybe that would shut you up.

>
>
> Mike

[Mike]

"speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au> wrote
in message news:402FF3A6.AE50619A@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
> Fine then tune into channel 72 (you will need to plug the coaxil line into
your
> F port on the TV)
>
> It shows you the BIT RATES dickhead.
>
> Maybe that would shut you up.

Since i cant do that as not only don't i have foxtel cable i don't live in
foxtels coverage area you will have to do a screen capture for me..

Mike

[Byron John Forbes]

"nephi66" <nephi66@notspice.net.oz> wrote in message
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>
> ahhhh. when he loses a discussion he returns to his well known tactic of
> vugarity to press his point, how sad. Grow up and use decent language and
> people might actually take you a bit more seriously, but whilst you use
that
> gutter language you look only like a foolish child
>

Since your command of the english language is so supreme, I call on you
to explain the word "vugarity" to me.


























What a completely stupid, illiterate sausage pan!

[Kubalister]

"Mike" <cootamike@iinet.net.hey-you> wrote in message
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> "speedracer@prodownloads.com" <news@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.com.au>
wrote
> in message news:402F6011.88DC4044@news.corg.au.mx.uk.id.org.c om.au...
> >
> > Dichead, do a wave form test and then post back the answers.
>
> Any test you do using an analogue video capture card is pointless as you
are
> testing the card, not the stream, you would get the same results doing
that
> test on broadcast signals or the signal coming out of your VCR...
>
> What i would like to see is someone with a STU capable of showing the
> transmission bitrate of a satellite channel and do a screencap and post
> it... maybe that would shut you up.

That's easily done with any DVB-S card by saving the video stream as an mpeg
file and analysing it with an mpeg editor e.g. Virtualdub. It will tell you
what the minimum/maximum/average bitrate is of the video channel. Would you
like me to send you a screencap with bitrate details of a particular
channel? Or would you like me to send you a sample mpeg file?


> Mike
>
>

[Mike]

"Kubalister" <nospam@spammersnotwelcome.com> wrote in message
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>
> That's easily done with any DVB-S card by saving the video stream as an
mpeg
> file and analysing it with an mpeg editor e.g. Virtualdub. It will tell
you
> what the minimum/maximum/average bitrate is of the video channel. Would
you
> like me to send you a screencap with bitrate details of a particular
> channel? Or would you like me to send you a sample mpeg file?

I don't think any proof will satisfy speedracer, don't worry about it....

Mike