Plasma versus LCD longevity - Plasma wins

[Sam Richards]

IMHO

I have read a lot of articles which say LCD TVs last longer then
Plasma TVs

I don't believe it.

Plasma TVs last around 60,000hrs according to Hitachi

http://www.hitachiconsumer.com.sg/homebody.asp

LCD TVs last 50,000hrs using a premium NEC backlight

http://www.nelt.co.jp/nhe_hp/cfl/cfl.htm

(Both hrs before 50% loss of brightness)

And that is before you take into account the fragile surface of LCD
TVs which is easily damaged by just touching it and almost impossible
to clean. Plasma TVs are a simple damp cloth wipe and they are like
new.

Theoretically some LCD backlights can be replaced, in practice that
would not be true or impractical and costly if you can even get the
relevant part anymore 5 years down the track.

And don't get me started about PC monitors, 10000 hrs for a LCD panel
CRT's last forever almost.


Sam

[Trevor S]

Sam Richards <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:c216p1$1npad3$1@ID-
197514.news.uni-berlin.de:

> IMHO
>
> I have read a lot of articles which say LCD TVs last longer then
> Plasma TVs
>
> I don't believe it.

:)

I don't belive the amount of Tax I have to pay, this in no way makes it
untrue :)

Both technologies have there advantages and disadvantages, neither is
robust enough for general consumer use IMO.

I have an LCD TV, a Sharp AQUOS, in the bedroom. When my CRT sets craps
itself in the lounge, I will probably get another LCD (if the contrast
improves, it currelty leaves a little to be desired, my only quibble with
LCD TVs), or possibly a Plasma, the screen burn-in issues are one thing
that doesn't appeal with Plasma. A lack of longeviety is not an issue with
either tenhnology IMO. 50,000 hrs is about 34 years in our household, I
would be happy with 10 yrs life, that means it will have outlasted any CRT
TV I have ever owned.

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

[Uncle Bully]

"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> IMHO
>
> I have read a lot of articles which say LCD TVs last longer then
> Plasma TVs
>
> I don't believe it.

Who cares. 50000 or 60000 what does that matter? That's about 25 years of
watching TV (5 hours everyday- which is way too much). You can bet most TVs
will be at the dump after 10 years anyway.
Plasma is dead. LCD is cheaper and more flexible. You'll be lucky if they
still make Plasma TVs in 2 years.

[Miro]

"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
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>
> "Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:c216p1$1npad3$1@ID-197514.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > IMHO
> >
> > I have read a lot of articles which say LCD TVs last longer then
> > Plasma TVs
> >
> > I don't believe it.
>
> Who cares. 50000 or 60000 what does that matter? That's about 25 years of
> watching TV (5 hours everyday- which is way too much). You can bet most
TVs
> will be at the dump after 10 years anyway.
> Plasma is dead. LCD is cheaper and more flexible. You'll be lucky if they
> still make Plasma TVs in 2 years.

Too true. Plasma was just a wank technology to start with.

[Nigel]

Miro wrote:
> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
> news:4044430d$0$3957$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>
>>"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:c216p1$1npad3$1@ID-197514.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>>IMHO
>>>
>>>I have read a lot of articles which say LCD TVs last longer then
>>>Plasma TVs
>>>
>>>I don't believe it.
>>
>>Who cares. 50000 or 60000 what does that matter? That's about 25 years of
>>watching TV (5 hours everyday- which is way too much). You can bet most
>
> TVs
>
>>will be at the dump after 10 years anyway.
>>Plasma is dead. LCD is cheaper and more flexible. You'll be lucky if they
>>still make Plasma TVs in 2 years.
>
>
> Too true. Plasma was just a wank technology to start with.
DLP back projection is not a bad way to go either.

Nigel

[Uncle Bully]

> > Too true. Plasma was just a wank technology to start with.
> DLP back projection is not a bad way to go either.
>

Rear projection is dead too. Who wants a TV as big as a small car when LCD
flat screens will be available for similar prices?

[Sam Richards]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:17:17 +1100, "Uncle Bully"
<wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote:

>Who cares. 50000 or 60000 what does that matter? That's about 25 years of
>watching TV (5 hours everyday- which is way too much). You can bet most TVs
>will be at the dump after 10 years anyway.

My point was that all the media goes on about the long life of LCD
versus Plasma when it is not true.

Dell on their web site says that LCD screens outlast CRT by a factor
of 2 or 3.

Not true 10,000 hours is nothing compared to a CRT monitor.

>Plasma is dead. LCD is cheaper and more flexible. You'll be lucky if they
>still make Plasma TVs in 2 years.

LCD's the way they are now will not last either.

They are way too costly and fragile for a home environment.

You can't even clean the screen for God's sake.


I like DLP and the new Intel LCOS screens look promising.

Sam

[Sam Richards]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:00:44 +1100, "Uncle Bully"
<wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote:

>
>> > Too true. Plasma was just a wank technology to start with.
>> DLP back projection is not a bad way to go either.
>>
>
>Rear projection is dead too. Who wants a TV as big as a small car when LCD
>flat screens will be available for similar prices?

Rear projection can go huge and still be very cheap.

Some of those screens in the stores are huge and when they come out in
DLP or LCOS they should be cheap and good.


Sam

[Miro]

"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c21t2e$1o5837$1@ID-197514.news.uni-berlin.de...
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:17:17 +1100, "Uncle Bully"
> <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote:
>
> >Who cares. 50000 or 60000 what does that matter? That's about 25 years
of
> >watching TV (5 hours everyday- which is way too much). You can bet most
TVs
> >will be at the dump after 10 years anyway.
>
> My point was that all the media goes on about the long life of LCD
> versus Plasma when it is not true.
>
> Dell on their web site says that LCD screens outlast CRT by a factor
> of 2 or 3.
>
> Not true 10,000 hours is nothing compared to a CRT monitor.

If you are using a CRT in 2004 then you need an x-ray of your head. Just
place the emulsion in a metal box and attach behind your ears. Let the
monitor do the exposure.

[Sam Richards]

On 2 Mar 2004 06:52:20 GMT, Trevor S <bill@gates.com> wrote:

>I have an LCD TV, a Sharp AQUOS, in the bedroom. When my CRT sets craps
>itself in the lounge, I will probably get another LCD (if the contrast
>improves, it currelty leaves a little to be desired, my only quibble with
>LCD TVs), or possibly a Plasma, the screen burn-in issues are one thing
>that doesn't appeal with Plasma. A lack of longeviety is not an issue with
>either tenhnology IMO. 50,000 hrs is about 34 years in our household, I
>would be happy with 10 yrs life, that means it will have outlasted any CRT
>TV I have ever owned.

50,000 hours is only for the back light.

It does not include the actual LCD panel. As it ages and dead pixels
start to appear (or increase) you may change your mind.

What about if you young child throws a pencil at the screen and you
lose 10 pixels ? Or worse writes on the screen, it will not come off.
On a CRT or Plasma it would probably cause no damage.

Sam

[Sam Richards]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:03:37 +1100, " Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Dell on their web site says that LCD screens outlast CRT by a factor
>> of 2 or 3.
>>
>> Not true 10,000 hours is nothing compared to a CRT monitor.
>
>If you are using a CRT in 2004 then you need an x-ray of your head. Just
>place the emulsion in a metal box and attach behind your ears. Let the
>monitor do the exposure.

Maybe but that was not my point.

BTW we have all LCD's at work now. They are nice but fragile and get
dirty very quickly. It's like shit on a blanket.

Sam

[Miro]

"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:03:37 +1100, " Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Dell on their web site says that LCD screens outlast CRT by a factor
> >> of 2 or 3.
> >>
> >> Not true 10,000 hours is nothing compared to a CRT monitor.
> >
> >If you are using a CRT in 2004 then you need an x-ray of your head. Just
> >place the emulsion in a metal box and attach behind your ears. Let the
> >monitor do the exposure.
>
> Maybe but that was not my point.
>
> BTW we have all LCD's at work now. They are nice but fragile and get
> dirty very quickly. It's like shit on a blanket.
>
> Sam

Perhaps it is your airconditioner that needs cleaning.








Try using VDU99 from CRC on the plastic.

[Miro]

"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c21te3$1o5837$3@ID-197514.news.uni-berlin.de...
> On 2 Mar 2004 06:52:20 GMT, Trevor S <bill@gates.com> wrote:
>
> >I have an LCD TV, a Sharp AQUOS, in the bedroom. When my CRT sets craps
> >itself in the lounge, I will probably get another LCD (if the contrast
> >improves, it currelty leaves a little to be desired, my only quibble with
> >LCD TVs), or possibly a Plasma, the screen burn-in issues are one thing
> >that doesn't appeal with Plasma. A lack of longeviety is not an issue
with
> >either tenhnology IMO. 50,000 hrs is about 34 years in our household, I
> >would be happy with 10 yrs life, that means it will have outlasted any
CRT
> >TV I have ever owned.
>
> 50,000 hours is only for the back light.
>
> It does not include the actual LCD panel. As it ages and dead pixels
> start to appear (or increase) you may change your mind.
>
> What about if you young child throws a pencil at the screen and you
> lose 10 pixels ? Or worse writes on the screen, it will not come off.
> On a CRT or Plasma it would probably cause no damage.
>
> Sam

It will not come off ........ since when ?

[Trevor S]

Sam Richards <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:c21te3$1o5837$3@ID-197514.news.uni-berlin.de:

<snip>

> It does not include the actual LCD panel. As it ages and dead pixels
> start to appear (or increase) you may change your mind.

I reserve the right to change my mind at any time :)

> What about if you young child throws a pencil at the screen and you
> lose 10 pixels ?

I don't have a young child

> Or worse writes on the screen, it will not come off.

I don't have a young child.

As an asdie, my LCD telle in the bedroom is mounted 180cm or so off the
floor directly onto a concrete wall, it would take a very tall small
child to reach it.

> On a CRT or Plasma it would probably cause no damage.

Sounds like you have LCD "issues", no one is forcing you to buy one.

Pending another year or two of use and IF they can getter better contrast
(1000:1 or so), I would be happy to use an LCD tellie for everyday
viewing. My only problem is the lack of contrast. This makes only one
problem I have, with CRT I have a whole swag of gripes :)

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

[Uncle Bully]

"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:00:44 +1100, "Uncle Bully"
> <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote:
>
> >
> >> > Too true. Plasma was just a wank technology to start with.
> >> DLP back projection is not a bad way to go either.
> >>
> >
> >Rear projection is dead too. Who wants a TV as big as a small car when
LCD
> >flat screens will be available for similar prices?
>
> Rear projection can go huge and still be very cheap.

Yep and it not only the screen that goes huge. Every centimetre increase in
screen size, has a corresponding increase in depth and weight. If you want
big and nice, go with LCD TV. If you want huge go with a projector. I can't
see any benefit of having a stupidly big box in your loungeroom.

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?BenOne=A9?=]

Sam Richards wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:03:37 +1100, " Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Dell on their web site says that LCD screens outlast CRT by a factor
>>>of 2 or 3.
>>>
>>>Not true 10,000 hours is nothing compared to a CRT monitor.
>>
>>If you are using a CRT in 2004 then you need an x-ray of your head. Just
>>place the emulsion in a metal box and attach behind your ears. Let the
>>monitor do the exposure.
>
>
> Maybe but that was not my point.
>
> BTW we have all LCD's at work now. They are nice but fragile and get
> dirty very quickly. It's like shit on a blanket.

So just stick it in the washing machine, like you would the blanket. :)

--
Ben Thomas
Melbourne, Australia

Opinions, conclusions, and other information in this message that do not
relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither
given nor endorsed by it.

[Nigel]

Uncle Bully wrote:
>>>Too true. Plasma was just a wank technology to start with.
>>
>>DLP back projection is not a bad way to go either.
>>
>
>
> Rear projection is dead too. Who wants a TV as big as a small car when LCD
> flat screens will be available for similar prices?
With a stand
40" Samsung TV is 38.9"(W) x 29.1"(H) x 12.5"(D) @ 8k USD street
43" Samsung DLP is 40.5"(W) x 29.7"(H) x 15.7"(D) @ 2800 USD street
60" Samsung DLP is 56.5"(W) x 40.2"(H) x 19.3"(D) @ 4500 USD street

I agree if you are hanging the LCD on the wall, but for most people if
the price differential & quality comparison stays the same, then as the
US is showing DLP's will keep on walking out the door, Intel are going
to produce a chip in competition to the DLP next year as well.

Nigel

P.S. Though I believe TI are stopping @ 1280x1024 for some reason.

[Hazzard]

"Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94A0ABA2A2798billgatescom@130.133.1.4...
> I have an LCD TV, a Sharp AQUOS, in the bedroom. When my CRT sets craps
> itself in the lounge, I will probably get another LCD (if the contrast
> improves, it currelty leaves a little to be desired, my only quibble with
> LCD TVs), or possibly a Plasma, the screen burn-in issues are one thing
> that doesn't appeal with Plasma. A lack of longeviety is not an issue
with
> either tenhnology IMO. 50,000 hrs is about 34 years in our household, I
> would be happy with 10 yrs life, that means it will have outlasted any CRT
> TV I have ever owned.
>
> --
> Trevor S

Has anyone had an issue with screen burn-in yet? Seems every person I speak
with who would not know the first thing about screens, says, "Don't get
Plasma".

There is a great fear out amongst the TV uneducated that Plasma's are evil.
Anyone had one long enough to show proof???

[Nigel]

Hazzard wrote:
> "Trevor S" <bill@gates.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns94A0ABA2A2798billgatescom@130.133.1.4...
>
>>I have an LCD TV, a Sharp AQUOS, in the bedroom. When my CRT sets craps
>>itself in the lounge, I will probably get another LCD (if the contrast
>>improves, it currelty leaves a little to be desired, my only quibble with
>>LCD TVs), or possibly a Plasma, the screen burn-in issues are one thing
>>that doesn't appeal with Plasma. A lack of longeviety is not an issue
>
> with
>
>>either tenhnology IMO. 50,000 hrs is about 34 years in our household, I
>>would be happy with 10 yrs life, that means it will have outlasted any CRT
>>TV I have ever owned.
>>
>>--
>>Trevor S
>
>
> Has anyone had an issue with screen burn-in yet? Seems every person I speak
> with who would not know the first thing about screens, says, "Don't get
> Plasma".
Not personally, but I have seen a few @ work do it, it would be tough to
do on a consumer plasma, unless you leave it on overnight I would have
thought, either that or only watch one channel with a nice strong bug (
logo ).

Nigel

>
> There is a great fear out amongst the TV uneducated that Plasma's are evil.
> Anyone had one long enough to show proof???
That's a bit harsh, but personally unless you want it as a wall hanging
I'd go for DLP back projection.

Nigel

[Miro]

"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:30:47 +1100, " Miro" <miro01@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> What about if you young child throws a pencil at the screen and you
> >> lose 10 pixels ? Or worse writes on the screen, it will not come off.
> >> On a CRT or Plasma it would probably cause no damage.
> >>
> >> Sam
> >
> >It will not come off ........ since when ?
> >
>
> A friend has a 17inch LCD PC monitor and they have kids.
>
> The LCD is full of finger marks which will not come off. The kids
> pointed to the screen with a pen and now there are a few blue marks on
> the screen.
>
> They will not come off.........
>
> That does not happen with CRT's (or Plasma)

Ever heard of a Barco multi-coated screen ? Same thing.

It does come off .... need to use the right liquid.