Loewe Aventos for $2499 - Opinions?

[Ash]

This weeks green guide (15.04.04) has an ad for a Loewe Aventos 3781
81cm widescreen tv for $2499. This brings the cost of a Loewe down
into the sony/panasonic price bracket. I'm very tempted, so I thought
I'd consult the group first. Any opinions on these tvs?

Also, I want to future proof my purchase to ensure that I don't have
to buy again as soon as digital HDTV becomes common. As near as I can
tell I should buy a tv that can handle 1080i input. Is this all I need
to worry about or am I oversimplifying things?



Thanks,


Ash.

[Sam Richards]

On 17 Apr 2004 01:07:59 -0700, anon6111@hotmail.com (Ash) wrote:

>This weeks green guide (15.04.04) has an ad for a Loewe Aventos 3781
>81cm widescreen tv for $2499. This brings the cost of a Loewe down
>into the sony/panasonic price bracket. I'm very tempted, so I thought
>I'd consult the group first. Any opinions on these tvs?

They lie about the TV size

They are only 76cm viewable so they are the same size as the smaller
Jap sets.

>Also, I want to future proof my purchase to ensure that I don't have
>to buy again as soon as digital HDTV becomes common. As near as I can
>tell I should buy a tv that can handle 1080i input. Is this all I need
>to worry about or am I oversimplifying things?

The Loewe is an analogue set. it cannot do 1081i

Do you know that Loewe are going to stop making CRT sets this year?
They can't compete.


Sam

[Tony Rae]

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:53:39 +1000, Sam Richards <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Do you know that Loewe are going to stop making CRT sets this year?
>They can't compete.

Maybe they should have shifted their factories to China, like the rest
of them.

[GMac]

"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c5t1k6$5ij6q$1@ID-197514.news.uni-berlin.de...
> On 17 Apr 2004 01:07:59 -0700, anon6111@hotmail.com (Ash) wrote:
>
> >This weeks green guide (15.04.04) has an ad for a Loewe Aventos 3781
> >81cm widescreen tv for $2499. This brings the cost of a Loewe down
> >into the sony/panasonic price bracket. I'm very tempted, so I thought
> >I'd consult the group first. Any opinions on these tvs?
>
> They lie about the TV size
>
> They are only 76cm viewable so they are the same size as the smaller
> Jap sets.
>
> >Also, I want to future proof my purchase to ensure that I don't have
> >to buy again as soon as digital HDTV becomes common. As near as I can
> >tell I should buy a tv that can handle 1080i input. Is this all I need
> >to worry about or am I oversimplifying things?
>
> The Loewe is an analogue set. it cannot do 1081i
>
> Do you know that Loewe are going to stop making CRT sets this year?
> They can't compete.
>
>
> Sam
What utter bolocks Sam.
Loewe are a European brand , they use the same measurement system as all
other european tv's .Have a look at Grundig , Metz etc and you will find
they measure in the same way.The Japs meuasure the visible picture area the
europeans measure the overall tube size, THESE ARE SIMPLY CONVENTIONS rather
than an attempt to deceive.
All Loewe TV's are digital( and have been for at least 10 yrs) with the
exception of the tuner, which to date is analouge. Check with the retailer
or International Dynamics to verify a particular models ability to replay HD
external sources.
Loewe and Sony are both to cease production of CRT based TV's to concentrate
on producing high quality alternatives in the mid - high end market sectors
, I am not aware of the time frame for either company.I am sure their are
many factors involved in the decision to cease production of crt based
product however competitiveness is only one of them.
If you don't like Loewe Sam, that's fine but at least get your facts correct
before you try to rubbish a product.
Gordon

[Sam Richards]

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:14:18 +0800, "GMac" <gor2003@smartchat.net.au>
wrote:

>What utter bolocks Sam.

Nope

>Loewe are a European brand , they use the same measurement system as all
>other european tv's .Have a look at Grundig , Metz etc and you will find
>they measure in the same way.The Japs meuasure the visible picture area the
>europeans measure the overall tube size, THESE ARE SIMPLY CONVENTIONS rather
>than an attempt to deceive.

The convention here is viewable size.

And Loewe knows it.

>All Loewe TV's are digital( and have been for at least 10 yrs) with the

What does that mean?

Nothing because it is crap.

Which Australian digital standards does it support ? None.

>exception of the tuner, which to date is analouge. Check with the retailer
>or International Dynamics to verify a particular models ability to replay HD
>external sources.

Your telling the story.

>Loewe and Sony are both to cease production of CRT based TV's to concentrate
>on producing high quality alternatives in the mid - high end market sectors
>, I am not aware of the time frame for either company.I am sure their are
>many factors involved in the decision to cease production of crt based
>product however competitiveness is only one of them.

Loewe are only an assembler of TV's.

they make bugger all parts.

>If you don't like Loewe Sam, that's fine but at least get your facts correct
>before you try to rubbish a product.

Same to you.


Sam

[GMac]

"Sam Richards" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c5vt7b$69p46$1@ID-197514.news.uni-berlin.de...
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 04:14:18 +0800, "GMac" <gor2003@smartchat.net.au>
> wrote:
>
> >What utter bolocks Sam.
>
> Nope
>
> >Loewe are a European brand , they use the same measurement system as all
> >other european tv's .Have a look at Grundig , Metz etc and you will find
> >they measure in the same way.The Japs meuasure the visible picture area
the
> >europeans measure the overall tube size, THESE ARE SIMPLY CONVENTIONS
rather
> >than an attempt to deceive.
>
> The convention here is viewable size.
>
> And Loewe knows it.
>
> >All Loewe TV's are digital( and have been for at least 10 yrs) with the
>
> What does that mean?
>
> Nothing because it is crap.
>
> Which Australian digital standards does it support ? None.
>
> >exception of the tuner, which to date is analouge. Check with the
retailer
> >or International Dynamics to verify a particular models ability to replay
HD
> >external sources.
>
> Your telling the story.
>
> >Loewe and Sony are both to cease production of CRT based TV's to
concentrate
> >on producing high quality alternatives in the mid - high end market
sectors
> >, I am not aware of the time frame for either company.I am sure their are
> >many factors involved in the decision to cease production of crt based
> >product however competitiveness is only one of them.
>
> Loewe are only an assembler of TV's.
>
> they make bugger all parts.
>
> >If you don't like Loewe Sam, that's fine but at least get your facts
correct
> >before you try to rubbish a product.
>
> Same to you.
>
>
> Sam
Well Sam ,everything I said is true ,the same cannot be said of your
comments and your reply futher underlines your ignornace.Maybe you sell an
alternative product and can't come to grips with the fact that the
competition is better or at the very least comparable.
Sony make some great products as do Phillips.Loewe use Philips and Toshiba
tubes and design the rest of the product to maximise their potential ,I
don't see this as a negative.
Such utter maliciousness as you display smack of paranoia and immaturity.
Get a life .
Gordon

[ritesh]

Loewe primarily use Philips tubes, with the latest module they can only go as far as 576p (whilst technically HD in Oz, it is not really HD). There is no module currently that can support 1080i. Besides even if they could take 1080i input, their latest tube doesn't have the resolution to display that sort of resolution.

They do "digital" processing (and have been for a while) to improve Analog pictures.

However without the Digital tuner, or even input for 1080i they shouldn't be classified as Digital TV.

Besides, all that processing which is Loewe's strength is meaningless in the digital world; when the signal itself is digital and doesn't need to be "processed" anymore just renderered.

Besides being a European firm; they face the same problem as other such firms, like Metz and Grundig, and that is that they do not manufacture their own tubes but rather source primarily Philips and may be Toshiba. Europe primarily rejected HD and thus they didn't support HD till now (the 576p module was only recently introduced, about 4 months ago or so). Also these companies' primarily strength is processing of analog signals and making nice looking cabinets. With digital revolution, their strengths have been negated by and large.

The latest fine-pitch Sony or Panasonic tubes have very high resolution, can take a variety of HD inputs and are a far far better product in comparison to Loewe, Metz or Grundig.

At the price of $2.5k, you probably want to look at Panasonic 76cm 200A model which would be a far far better and future proof product AND contains Panasonic's Equity technology for analog processing (if desired), which in latest reviews is as good as Loewe's DMM etc.

However, if you are watching Digital, SD or HD; there is no comparison Panasonic or Sony (a bit higher in price) wins hands down !

My 2 cents,

cheers,

Ritesh

[mat-with-one-t]

But I've just read a review of the Loewe Aventos 30", which suggests that it's capable of 1080i (reception AND display resolution). What's the truth?