LARRY CLARK doco tonight SBS

[Rod Williams]

Starts at 10pm I think.

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[Highlandish]

Quoth The Raven "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> in
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> Starts at 10pm I think.

am recording it, should be good considering all the fuss over Ken Park

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[Caliginous]

"Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Quoth The Raven "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> in
> 40bc6076@dnews.tpgi.com.au
> > Starts at 10pm I think.
>
> am recording it, should be good considering all the fuss over Ken Park
>


Was a great show. I think he's one of the most fascinating artists whose
work I've encountered. He's dirty and gritty, and obsessive, which will make
you a target for critics, but is what is needed to be a great artist.

If you haven't already, try and get a look at his book 'Tulsa' - it's a
series of incredible photos in the vein of 'Kids' but several decades
earlier.

Cal

[Rod Williams]

"Caliginous" <liammailremovethisbit@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:2i37opFi6aa1U1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Quoth The Raven "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> in
> > 40bc6076@dnews.tpgi.com.au
> > > Starts at 10pm I think.
> >
> > am recording it, should be good considering all the fuss over Ken Park
> >
>
>
> Was a great show. I think he's one of the most fascinating artists whose
> work I've encountered. He's dirty and gritty, and obsessive, which will
make
> you a target for critics, but is what is needed to be a great artist.
>
> If you haven't already, try and get a look at his book 'Tulsa' - it's a
> series of incredible photos in the vein of 'Kids' but several decades
> earlier.
>
> Cal
>
>


Yes it was good.....I liked hearing John Waters saying he liked BULLY. This
is one of my fave movies from the last five years.

Rod

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[Jace the Ace]

Caliginous wrote:

> "Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:2i37opFi6aa1U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
>>Quoth The Raven "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> in
>>40bc6076@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>
>>>Starts at 10pm I think.
>>
>>am recording it, should be good considering all the fuss over Ken Park
>>
>
>
>
> Was a great show. I think he's one of the most fascinating artists whose
> work I've encountered. He's dirty and gritty, and obsessive, which will make
> you a target for critics, but is what is needed to be a great artist.

Scorsese is a great artist. Clark merely has a good eye for what will
get him the attention he so desperately craves.

[Highlandish]

Quoth The Raven "Caliginous" <liammailremovethisbit@iinet.net.au> in
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> "Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:2i37opFi6aa1U1@uni-berlin.de...
>> Quoth The Raven "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> in
>> 40bc6076@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>> Starts at 10pm I think.
>>
>> am recording it, should be good considering all the fuss over Ken
>> Park
>>
>
>
> Was a great show. I think he's one of the most fascinating artists
> whose work I've encountered. He's dirty and gritty, and obsessive,
> which will make you a target for critics, but is what is needed to be
> a great artist.
>
> If you haven't already, try and get a look at his book 'Tulsa' - it's
> a series of incredible photos in the vein of 'Kids' but several
> decades earlier.
>
> Cal

yeah, from this doco, Larry states that Tulsa is a complete compilation of
all the pictures he has taken. sounds like a big book.

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[Rod Williams]

"Jace the Ace" <jason@kaput.com> wrote in message
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> Caliginous wrote:
>
> > "Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:2i37opFi6aa1U1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>Quoth The Raven "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> in
> >>40bc6076@dnews.tpgi.com.au
> >>
> >>>Starts at 10pm I think.
> >>
> >>am recording it, should be good considering all the fuss over Ken Park
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Was a great show. I think he's one of the most fascinating artists whose
> > work I've encountered. He's dirty and gritty, and obsessive, which will
make
> > you a target for critics, but is what is needed to be a great artist.
>
> Scorsese is a great artist. Clark merely has a good eye for what will
> get him the attention he so desperately craves.
>
>

Every artist wants attention, whether they say so or not. Even Scorcese.
Futhermore, attention-seeking is a basic human trait, not just an artistic
one.

Rod

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[Caliginous]

"Jace the Ace" <jason@kaput.com> wrote in message
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> Caliginous wrote:

>
> Scorsese is a great artist. Clark merely has a good eye for what will
> get him the attention he so desperately craves.
>

Quite what the fuck Scorsese has to do with anything , I'm not sure, but yes
i agree wth you, he is a great artist.

Like all artists, Clark has work which is flawed, just like Scorcsese has
The Last Temptation of Christ, Kundun and Gangs of New York to his name. I
was a fan of Larry Clark's work long before Kids came out, so i will
probably always think of him as a photographer first and a film-maker
second.

Cal

[Jace the Ace]

Caliginous wrote:

> "Jace the Ace" <jason@kaput.com> wrote in message
> news:ezhvc.2308$rz4.303@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>>Caliginous wrote:
>
>
>>Scorsese is a great artist. Clark merely has a good eye for what will
>>get him the attention he so desperately craves.
>>
>
>
> Quite what the fuck Scorsese has to do with anything , I'm not sure, but yes
> i agree wth you, he is a great artist.
>
The previous poster compared this hack and borderline pedo to a 'great
artist'. I was just pointing out the ridiculous nature of the assertion
by referring to an actual, great artist.

[Jace the Ace]

Rod Williams wrote:

> "Jace the Ace" <jason@kaput.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Caliginous wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
>>>news:2i37opFi6aa1U1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Quoth The Raven "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> in
>>>>40bc6076@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Starts at 10pm I think.
>>>>
>>>>am recording it, should be good considering all the fuss over Ken Park
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Was a great show. I think he's one of the most fascinating artists whose
>>>work I've encountered. He's dirty and gritty, and obsessive, which will
>
> make
>
>>>you a target for critics, but is what is needed to be a great artist.
>>
>>Scorsese is a great artist. Clark merely has a good eye for what will
>>get him the attention he so desperately craves.
>>
>>
>
>
> Every artist wants attention, whether they say so or not.

Yes, but most don't debase children to get it.

[Highlandish]

Quoth The Raven "Caliginous" <liammailremovethisbit@iinet.net.au> in
40bee3eb$0$8113$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au
> "Jace the Ace" <jason@kaput.com> wrote in message
> news:ezhvc.2308$rz4.303@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Caliginous wrote:
>
>>
>> Scorsese is a great artist. Clark merely has a good eye for what
>> will get him the attention he so desperately craves.
>>
>
> Quite what the fuck Scorsese has to do with anything , I'm not sure,
> but yes i agree wth you, he is a great artist.
>
> Like all artists, Clark has work which is flawed, just like Scorcsese
> has The Last Temptation of Christ, Kundun and Gangs of New York to
> his name. I was a fan of Larry Clark's work long before Kids came
> out, so i will probably always think of him as a photographer first
> and a film-maker second.
>
> Cal

I'm not sure on the details or validity of this, but I gather Larry is about
to do or has done a remake of one of Scorcsese's movies., hence the
comparison between them. in the doco a few famous people stated that they
admired Clark, I think Scorcsese was one of them.

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[Rod Williams]

"Jace the Ace" <jason@kaput.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Williams wrote:
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> > "Jace the Ace" <jason@kaput.com> wrote in message
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> >>Caliginous wrote:
> >>
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> >>>"Highlandish" <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>>>Quoth The Raven "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> in
> >>>>40bc6076@dnews.tpgi.com.au
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Starts at 10pm I think.
> >>>>
> >>>>am recording it, should be good considering all the fuss over Ken Park
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Was a great show. I think he's one of the most fascinating artists
whose
> >>>work I've encountered. He's dirty and gritty, and obsessive, which will
> >
> > make
> >
> >>>you a target for critics, but is what is needed to be a great artist.
> >>
> >>Scorsese is a great artist. Clark merely has a good eye for what will
> >>get him the attention he so desperately craves.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Every artist wants attention, whether they say so or not.
>
> Yes, but most don't debase children to get it.
>

Just curious: what do you think of photographer David Hamilton?

Rod


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[Caliginous]

"Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> Just curious: what do you think of photographer David Hamilton?
>

IMHO Hamilton's work lacks a certain 'edge' that makes it distinct - Bill
Henson takes a similar subject matter (or did, it was many years ago) and
makes it cold and clinical, there's something completey unnerving about his
young nudes. I don't really know how to put it, but I find most of
Hamilton's work quite dull.

Cal

[Italo]

"Jace the Ace" <jason@kaput.com> wrote in message
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> > Every artist wants attention, whether they say so or not.
>
> Yes, but most don't debase children to get it.

As a sideissue on the same topic why has SBS sudenly gone from
'multicultural' broadcaster to sexual freakshow of the week channel? Why so
many documentaries and/or programs on primetime regarding gay/lesbian/gimp
etc... sexuality? If I'm paying taxes to watch a trendy version of the Jerry
Springer channel, well I'd rather not frankly.

BTW to mention Larry Clark and Scorsese in the same sentence is a joke
whichever way you look at it.

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[Rod Williams]

"Caliginous" <liammailremovethisbit@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Just curious: what do you think of photographer David Hamilton?
> >
>
> IMHO Hamilton's work lacks a certain 'edge' that makes it distinct - Bill
> Henson takes a similar subject matter (or did, it was many years ago) and
> makes it cold and clinical, there's something completey unnerving about
his
> young nudes. I don't really know how to put it, but I find most of
> Hamilton's work quite dull.
>
> Cal
>
>

Fair enough. I'm not a photography fanatic really - just wondered how you
thought about different photographers approaching the same / similar subject
matter.

Rod

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[Ian Galbraith]

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:10:10 +0930, "Caliginous"
<liammailremovethisbit@iinet.net.au> wrote:

[snip]

>Like all artists, Clark has work which is flawed, just like Scorcsese has
>The Last Temptation of Christ, Kundun and Gangs of New York to his name.

2 of which are amongst his best work and one of which has only been
available in an incomplete form.

[snip]

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Je=DFus?=]

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:09 pm, Caliginous [liammailremovethisbit@iinet.net.au]
said:

> "Rod Williams" <hologram@NOSPAM.cosmos.net.au> wrote in message
> news:40bf0b7d@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> Just curious: what do you think of photographer David Hamilton?
>>
>
> IMHO Hamilton's work lacks a certain 'edge' that makes it distinct - Bill
> Henson takes a similar subject matter (or did, it was many years ago) and
> makes it cold and clinical, there's something completey unnerving about
> his young nudes. I don't really know how to put it, but I find most of
> Hamilton's work quite dull.

True. I haven't even thought about Hamilton for many years... but what I do
remember about his work is much the same as your opinion.

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[Michael]

What do you have against 'Last Temptation'?

"Caliginous" <liammailremovethisbit@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> Like all artists, Clark has work which is flawed, just like Scorcsese has
> The Last Temptation of Christ, Kundun and Gangs of New York to his name. I
> was a fan of Larry Clark's work long before Kids came out, so i will
> probably always think of him as a photographer first and a film-maker
> second.

[Caliginous]

"Michael" <quadhammerNOHAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2ia76eFkhjg5U1@uni-berlin.de...
> What do you have against 'Last Temptation'?

It's flawed. Willem Dafoe is abysmally bad in it. It's a valliant attempt.

Cal

[Caliginous]

"Ian Galbraith" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:10:10 +0930, "Caliginous"
> <liammailremovethisbit@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Like all artists, Clark has work which is flawed, just like Scorcsese has
> >The Last Temptation of Christ, Kundun and Gangs of New York to his name.
>
> 2 of which are amongst his best work and one of which has only been
> available in an incomplete form.

Gangs of New York was abysmal, a two hour plus visual wankfest without a
single moment of class or film-making genius that we've come to expect from
ol' Marty. Pretention to a new level and two absolutely awful performances
from male and female leads.

Temptation wasn't bad but it was seriously flawed, and Kundun was just a
fucking snore-fest. Seriously, I don't like it when people complain of films
as being 'boring', but man, that stinker took the iced baked desert as a
film to be comotased to. Embarassingly bad. Ugh.

Of course, that's just MHO :) My point is really that every artist with a
catalogue of work ranging over a lengthy period of time will have their
good/crap stuff, and I don't think Larry Clark is any different - I don't
think he's made a bad film yet though, but some of his later 80's stuff was
way off the mark i thought.

Cal

The exception here could be Joel Peter Witkin....I don't think the man is
capable of taking a bad photograph....