Height of 76cm widescreen tv

[Craig Manly]

Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
television?

It doesnt by the look of it which would make 4:3 material viewing quite
dissapointing.


thanks
Craig

[GDS]

>Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
>television?

Mine's 37cm tall, I just measured it then.

>It doesnt by the look of it which would make 4:3 material viewing quite
>dissapointing.

I guess it's your call as to what you watch more, 4:3 or 16:9. Almost everything I watch is in 16:9 so this obviously
suits me. The 4:3 ratio I find more than ample as I have many movies in this ratio also.

G.

[Rod Speed]

"GDS" <no@spam.com.au> wrote in message news:40c2739c$1_1@news.chariot.net.au...
> >Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
> >television?
>
> Mine's 37cm tall, I just measured it then.
>
> >It doesnt by the look of it which would make 4:3 material viewing quite
> >dissapointing.

> I guess it's your call as to what you watch more, 4:3 or 16:9. Almost
> everything I watch is in 16:9 so this obviously suits me. The 4:3 ratio
> I find more than ample as I have many movies in this ratio also.

And my Grundig widescreen puts everything on the full widescreen, with
no visible loss on the sides with 4:3 material, so you get a better result
even if it was not quite so high with the inside edges of the surround anyway.

That approach doesnt appear to be all that common tho.

[Morris Syzlak]

"Craig Manly" <craigm@nomail.com.au> wrote in message
news:7b91049c87987b2b5bcb8b988ac2df23@news.teranew s.com...
> Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
> television?
>
> It doesnt by the look of it which would make 4:3 material viewing quite
> dissapointing.

I have a 68cm 4:3 tele with switchable 16:9 mode

When it's in 16:9 mode, the screen is 33.5cm tall, 55.5cm wide, and 64.5cm
diagonal.

Best of both worlds I spose :)





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[tony@mr_cojones.net.au]

"GDS" <no@spam.com.au> wrote:

>>Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
>>television?
>
>Mine's 37cm tall, I just measured it then.

Hmm, my 68cm square TV is 43cm tall.

Bigger difference than I expected.


tony

[tony@mr_cojones.net.au]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> I guess it's your call as to what you watch more, 4:3 or 16:9. Almost
>> everything I watch is in 16:9 so this obviously suits me. The 4:3 ratio
>> I find more than ample as I have many movies in this ratio also.
>
>And my Grundig widescreen puts everything on the full widescreen, with
>no visible loss on the sides with 4:3 material, so you get a better result
>even if it was not quite so high with the inside edges of the surround anyway.

Sounds like a good feature.

Does anyone know if the Samsung widescreen models share this Grundig feature?

Tony

[flyinyereye]

"Craig Manly" <craigm@nomail.com.au> wrote in message
news:7b91049c87987b2b5bcb8b988ac2df23@news.teranew s.com...
> Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
> television?
>
> It doesnt by the look of it which would make 4:3 material viewing quite
> dissapointing.

They're approx 67x38cm.

[thornton melon]

NO movies were ever filmed in 4:3 ratio,The ratio varieties are as follows:

1.33:1 = Acedemy
1.75:1 = Vistavision
Up to 2:1 = Widescreen
2.55:1 = Cinemascope
2.22:1 = Todd-AO
2.85:1 = Cinerama

When the VCR came along,they simply made all Cassette tapes 4:3,to do this they cropped the sides off the movie and stretched it vertically to fit. this is called Pan & Scan.
This is why you get the black bars when viewing DVD's on a 4:3 TV.

Visit www.thelooniverse.com or check out Aspect Ratio on the net.

Regards, Thornton Melon.

[GDS]

>And my Grundig widescreen puts everything on the full widescreen, with
>no visible loss on the sides with 4:3 material, so you get a better result
>even if it was not quite so high with the inside edges of the surround anyway.

So does it [A] stretch the 4:3 picture to 16:9, or [B] crop the top and bottom of the image to retain the OAR on a 16:9
display? If neither A or B could you please explain in layman's terms as I'm an idiot, cheers mate.

G.

[Luke Hooft]

<tony@mr_cojones.net.au> wrote in message
news:rnu4c012vcs8cpe83f4nk6438n1gqm3gvd@4ax.com...
> "GDS" <no@spam.com.au> wrote:
>
> >>Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
> >>television?
> >
> >Mine's 37cm tall, I just measured it then.
>
> Hmm, my 68cm square TV is 43cm tall.
>
> Bigger difference than I expected.

Yeah, but think about haow much TV is letterboxed now, you're getting
nothing in the top and bottom of the screen on a 4:3 TV... you're probably
not missing out on much with a shorter Widescreen for most modern TV.

So basically, unless you watch a *lot* of old shows and movies that are
natively 4:3, you're better off with a 37 cm high widescreen than a 4:3
telly that's a bit higher.

LH

[Sam Richards]

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:51:31 GMT, Craig Manly <craigm@nomail.com.au>
wrote:

>Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
>television?
>
>It doesnt by the look of it which would make 4:3 material viewing quite
>dissapointing.

Get an 86cm widescreen TV. Good ones are only only $3000-$3500

The 4:3 should be very close to a 68cm set

Sam

[thornton melon]

No GDS. you're not an Idiot,but aspect ratio's are a bit complex.
They cut off the sides and stretch it up.
I have one DVD with widescreen on one side and pan & scan on the other,and in some scenes on 4:3 people are not even in the frame.
Imagine two rectangles,4:3 and 16:9. To fit 16:9 into the 4:3 box,the two sides remain the same but the top and bottom are closer,hence the black bars.
Forget heights,TV screens are measured diagonally,so the screen is always smaller than you want!
Hire TITANIC on DVD, and see how little screen is left for the picture.

[We Live for the One we Die for the One]

Yeap looking at the 86cm Panasonic widscreen now :)


On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 17:36:16 +1000, Sam Richards <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:51:31 GMT, Craig Manly <craigm@nomail.com.au>
>wrote:
>
>>Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen as high as my current 68cm 4:3
>>television?
>>
>>It doesnt by the look of it which would make 4:3 material viewing quite
>>dissapointing.
>
>Get an 86cm widescreen TV. Good ones are only only $3000-$3500
>
>The 4:3 should be very close to a 68cm set
>
>Sam

[flyinyereye]

"GDS" <no@spam.com.au> wrote in message
news:40c2ac97$1_1@news.chariot.net.au...
> >And my Grundig widescreen puts everything on the full widescreen, with
> >no visible loss on the sides with 4:3 material, so you get a better
result
> >even if it was not quite so high with the inside edges of the surround
anyway.
>
> So does it [A] stretch the 4:3 picture to 16:9, or [B] crop the top and
bottom of the image to retain the OAR on a 16:9
> display? If neither A or B could you please explain in layman's terms as
I'm an idiot, cheers mate.

Or [C] stretch the picture more at the edges than in the middle, so most of
the picture doesn't look "fat".

Grundigs do all three, but I prefer not to watch a stretched, distorted
image and bought a digital STB to watch widescreen TV in all its glory. I
don't know how anyone with an analogue WS set goes without one.

[Rod Speed]

GDS <no@spam.com.au> wrote in message
news:40c2ac97$1_1@news.chariot.net.au...

>> And my Grundig widescreen puts everything on the full widescreen, with
>> no visible loss on the sides with 4:3 material, so you get a better result
>> even if it was not quite so high with the inside edges of the surround anyway.

> So does it [A] stretch the 4:3 picture to 16:9,
> or [B] crop the top and bottom of the image
> to retain the OAR on a 16:9 display?

It doesnt appear to do either.

> If neither A or B could you please
> explain in layman's terms as I'm an idiot,

I still havent managed to work out exactly what its doing.

Certainly with a 4:3 format test pattern like say the Optarse BTV1
test pattern, in 16:9 mode, the central circle is a bit wider than high,
visibly not round anymore. No loss of stuff at the top or bottom.

While you can certainly see say closeup faces change shape
a bit if you quickly flick back and forward between 4:3 and
16:9, with a 4:3 source, both look completely natural.

This is a 100Hz TV so presumably they massage the scan lines
received to the scan lines on the physical tube or something.

[Rod Speed]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2ihh30Fn5lr4U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> GDS <no@spam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40c2ac97$1_1@news.chariot.net.au...
>
> >> And my Grundig widescreen puts everything on the full widescreen, with
> >> no visible loss on the sides with 4:3 material, so you get a better result
> >> even if it was not quite so high with the inside edges of the surround anyway.
>
> > So does it [A] stretch the 4:3 picture to 16:9,
> > or [B] crop the top and bottom of the image
> > to retain the OAR on a 16:9 display?
>
> It doesnt appear to do either.
>
> > If neither A or B could you please
> > explain in layman's terms as I'm an idiot,
>
> I still havent managed to work out exactly what its doing.
>
> Certainly with a 4:3 format test pattern like say the Optarse BTV1
> test pattern, in 16:9 mode, the central circle is a bit wider than high,
> visibly not round anymore. No loss of stuff at the top or bottom.
>
> While you can certainly see say closeup faces change shape
> a bit if you quickly flick back and forward between 4:3 and
> 16:9, with a 4:3 source, both look completely natural.
>
> This is a 100Hz TV so presumably they massage the scan lines
> received to the scan lines on the physical tube or something.

Likely that's how its done, the strip of same sized boxes down the
left and right edges of the Optarse BTV1 test pattern appear to
be more even sized in 4:3 mode than in 16:9 mode. You have to
look carefully to see it tho and I'm not even sure if its real too.

[Rod Speed]

flyinyereye <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> GDS <no@spam.com.au> wrote

>>> And my Grundig widescreen puts everything on the full
>>> widescreen, with no visible loss on the sides with 4:3
>>> material, so you get a better result even if it was not quite
>>> so high with the inside edges of the surround anyway.

>> So does it [A] stretch the 4:3 picture to 16:9, or [B] crop the top
>> and bottom of the image to retain the OAR on a 16:9 display?
>> If neither A or B could you please explain in layman's terms as
> > I'm an idiot, cheers mate.

> Or [C] stretch the picture more at the edges than in
> the middle, so most of the picture doesn't look "fat".

Yeah, thats clearly what is happening with the Optarse satellite
BVT1 test pattern. Very visibile with that test pattern that has
an evenly spaced grid over the entire test pattern.

> Grundigs do all three, but I prefer not
> to watch a stretched, distorted image

I didnt notice any distorted stretched image except on the test pattern.

> and bought a digital STB to watch widescreen TV in all its glory.

Yeah, I just havent gotten around to doing that yet, mainly
because I watch almost nothing live and want to piss off
the VCRs now too. Just a matter of deciding what to buy.

The thing that irritates me more than the image stretching
is actually the odd effect you get with eyes, even on the
ABC TV evening news, and a sort of wooly effect with
some sorts of hair when the head is close to full screen.

I basically record one channel off the satellite now with the FTAs.

> I don't know how anyone with an analogue WS set goes without one.

True, tho some channels arent as bad as others.

[Rod Speed]

<tony@mr_cojones.net.au> wrote in message
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> GDS <no@spam.com.au> wrote

>>> Does a 76cm widescreen tv have a screen
>>> as high as my current 68cm 4:3 television?

>> Mine's 37cm tall, I just measured it then.

My 80cm is 38, as you'd expect.

> Hmm, my 68cm square TV is 43cm tall.

> Bigger difference than I expected.

[flyinyereye]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> flyinyereye <spam@spam.com> wrote in message

> > Or [C] stretch the picture more at the edges than in
> > the middle, so most of the picture doesn't look "fat".
>
> Yeah, thats clearly what is happening with the Optarse satellite
> BVT1 test pattern. Very visibile with that test pattern that has
> an evenly spaced grid over the entire test pattern.
>
> > Grundigs do all three, but I prefer not
> > to watch a stretched, distorted image
>
> I didnt notice any distorted stretched image except on the test pattern.

It's most noticeable when the picture pans from right to left (or vice
versa) when the stretching at the edge of the screen becomes more obvious.

BTW Rod, the code to get into the Installation/Service Menu is 8500, where
you can decrease the overscan and change all manner of screen geometry
settings. Make sure it's in 16:9 mode first.

[Rod Speed]

flyinyereye <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> flyinyereye <spam@spam.com> wrote

>>> Or [C] stretch the picture more at the edges than in
>>> the middle, so most of the picture doesn't look "fat".

>> Yeah, thats clearly what is happening with the Optarse satellite
>> BVT1 test pattern. Very visibile with that test pattern that has
>> an evenly spaced grid over the entire test pattern.

>>> Grundigs do all three, but I prefer not
>>> to watch a stretched, distorted image

>> I didnt notice any distorted stretched image except on the test pattern.

> It's most noticeable when the picture pans from right to left (or vice versa)
> when the stretching at the edge of the screen becomes more obvious.

Yeah, that'd certainly be where you'd see it.

Cant say I have noticed that happening tho.

Corse its likely one of those things like the 2 parallel wires with
Trinitron tubes that stand out like dogs balls when someone
points them out to you, but you never noticed until they did.

Or the fucking awful brick work you see where the clowns
havent mixed the bricks properly before laying them so
you can see an obscene variation in the color in patches.

Or the fucking awful brick work you see on pom TV for some reason.

I'm afraid I will have to send the death squad around to your place now |-)

> BTW Rod, the code to get into the Installation/Service Menu is 8500,

Thanks for that, been meaning to chase that up, just hadnt got around to doing it.

> where you can decrease the overscan and change all manner
> of screen geometry settings. Make sure it's in 16:9 mode first.

OK, thanks for that.