Not getting widescreen picture on widescreen Tv

[gursamba]

I recently bought a LG 66cm Widescreen TV. Widescreen free to air programs aren't coming up as widescreen; just showing in standrad format. I tried setting it to Auto as well 16:9. In auto mode widescreen progarm just displays in standard format (4:3) and if I force it to 16:9, it just stretches. Though widescreen DVDs plays in 16:9 format okay. Has anyone experinced similar problem? Am I doing something wrong or the set is faulty?

Actually I returned one last week thinking it is faulty and replacemnet is exactly the same.

Thanks in advance for any tips.
~Gursamba

[coffeebean]

I recently bought a LG 66cm Widescreen TV. Widescreen free to air programs aren't coming up as widescreen; just showing in standrad format. I tried setting it to Auto as well 16:9. In auto mode widescreen progarm just displays in standard format (4:3) and if I force it to 16:9, it just stretches. Though widescreen DVDs plays in 16:9 format okay. Has anyone experinced similar problem? Am I doing something wrong or the set is faulty?

Actually I returned one last week thinking it is faulty and replacemnet is exactly the same.

Thanks in advance for any tips.
~Gursamba


Is your STB configured to 16:9 mode ?

[gursamba]

I do not have STB. Do I need one to get picture in 16:9 format? Thx.

[coffeebean]

I do not have STB. Do I need one to get picture in 16:9 format? Thx.


Yes you do I'm afraid.

The good news is that they are now pretty cheap (from $179) and apart from getting widescreen FTA programming you'll enjoy a near perfect reception.


Good luck with it.

[gursamba]

I was puzzled for last an hour or so. I thought I got ripped off. So TV is not faulty. Funny I called LG and they couldn't tell me this.

Are all widescreen TV needs STB to display 16:9 format? Or are there some can automatically change the format?

[gringo]

It depends on the tuner that is inbuilt into the TV. Some models (few) have
SD (Standard Definition) tuners inbuilt, but most do not. You will need and
external set top box for the 16:9 -

You will have to understand that there are to Free to air networks at
present - one is broadcast in anologue (4:3) - scheduled to be decommisioned
in 2008 - and other is digital (SD or HD) - which is 16:9. Difference is
alot in my opinion, especially if reception is not perfect with anologue

For heaps more info, go here!

www.dba.org.au/receivers/

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> I was puzzled for last an hour or so. I thought I got ripped off. So TV
> is not faulty. Funny I called LG and they couldn't tell me this.
>
> Are all widescreen TV needs STB to display 16:9 format? Or are there
> some can automatically change the format?
>
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[Rod Speed]

gursamba <gursamba.18nvfm@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote
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> I was puzzled for last an hour or so. I thought I got ripped off.
> So TV is not faulty. Funny I called LG and they couldn't tell me this.

> Are all widescreen TV needs STB to display 16:9 format?

Nope, the Grundigs do it the way you want without an STB.

> Or are there some can automatically change the format?

Yep, the Grundigs do it fine.

[Rod Speed]

gringo <nogringospam_joda@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> It depends on the tuner that is inbuilt into the TV. Some models
> (few) have SD (Standard Definition) tuners inbuilt, but most do
> not. You will need and external set top box for the 16:9 -

Nope, the Grundigs do it fine even without an SD tuner or STB.

> You will have to understand that there are to Free to air networks at
> present - one is broadcast in anologue (4:3) - scheduled to be decommisioned
> in 2008 - and other is digital (SD or HD) - which is 16:9. Difference is
> alot in my opinion, especially if reception is not perfect with anologue

> For heaps more info, go here!

> www.dba.org.au/receivers/

Which doesnt spell out that particular question of what widescreen
TVs can show what is broadcast in 4:3 format widescreen auto.


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> >
> > I was puzzled for last an hour or so. I thought I got ripped off. So TV
> > is not faulty. Funny I called LG and they couldn't tell me this.
> >
> > Are all widescreen TV needs STB to display 16:9 format? Or are there
> > some can automatically change the format?
> >
> >
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[lhalha]

Can someone therefore confirm that when I watch channel 10 news on the built in tuner analogue tuner on my Panasonic 76cm widescreen TV, when I have the TV in 16:9 mode I am only seeing a stretched version of the 4:3 format? Does the analogue tuner not pick up the widescreen picture, and do I definately need digital to pick up the widescreen broadcast?

I've been confused by this for a while, because often when adverts are on, you get black bars of various sizes at the top and bottom. I haven't noticed stretching being that bad, but then again, people's arses do sometimes look fatter than they might actually be...

lhalha

[Trevor S]

lhalha <lhalha.18ot8c@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in
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> Can someone therefore confirm that when I watch channel 10 news on the
> built in tuner analogue tuner on my Panasonic 76cm widescreen TV, when
> I have the TV in 16:9 mode I am only seeing a stretched version of the
> 4:3 format? Does the analogue tuner not pick up the widescreen picture,
> and do I definately need digital to pick up the widescreen broadcast?

It doesn't pick up a widescreen picture because it s NOT a widescreen
picture. You seem to be getting confused between 4:3 letterboxed and 16:9.

To "fill the screen", you will have to zoom in using the zoom function on
your tellie. Digital tellie supports 16:9

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

[lhalha]

Ok so to confirm, you need a STB (or inbuilt digital tuner) to receive the widescreen broadcast, period? So when they say "presented in widescreen" on channel 10 news, this is only the case if you are watching the digital presentation?

cheers

lhalha

[nospam@nospam.com]

This is about how 16:9 works:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/index.html

[Trevor S]

lhalha <lhalha.18oxv0@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in news:lhalha.18oxv0
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>
> Ok so to confirm, you need a STB (or inbuilt digital tuner) to receive
> the widescreen broadcast, period?

Yes

>So when they say "presented in widescreen" on channel 10 news,

They take the one show, broadcast a downconverted analogue and a digital
picture.

Much like a DVD player if it has a 16:9 movie, it simpily donwconverts if
you have don't have a widescreen set or a 4:3 set with vertical compression
abilities.

--
Trevor S


"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein

[flyinyereye]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> gringo <nogringospam_joda@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> > It depends on the tuner that is inbuilt into the TV. Some models
> > (few) have SD (Standard Definition) tuners inbuilt, but most do
> > not. You will need and external set top box for the 16:9 -
>
> Nope, the Grundigs do it fine even without an SD tuner or STB.

No they don't. Analogue broadcasts are *not* widescreen. The fact that the
Grundig has a special stretch mode that makes a 4:3 picture not look so
stretched does not mean it receives/displays a proper widescreen picture
without a digital STB/tuner.

Assuming you have a 82 (76)cm Grundig set, the Channel Nine watermark should
be about 10cm from the right edge of the screen at it's closest point, which
is how it appears in widescreen digital.

Rod, borrow/try a STB and see the truth for yourself. It shits all over the
stretched image, let me tell you.

[Rod Speed]

flyinyereye <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> gringo <nogringospam_joda@bigpond.net.au> wrote
>>> gursamba <gursamba.18nvfm@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote

>>>> I recently bought a LG 66cm Widescreen TV. Widescreen free
>>>> to air programs aren't coming up as widescreen; just showing
>>>> in standrad format. I tried setting it to Auto as well 16:9. In auto
>>>> mode widescreen progarm just displays in standard format (4:3)
>>>> and if I force it to 16:9, it just stretches. Though widescreen
>>>> DVDs plays in 16:9 format okay. Has anyone experinced similar
>>>> problem? Am I doing something wrong or the set is faulty?

>>>> Actually I returned one last week thinking it
>>>> is faulty and replacemnet is exactly the same.

>>>> I was puzzled for last an hour or so. I thought I got ripped off.
>>>> So TV is not faulty. Funny I called LG and they couldn't tell me this.

>>>> Are all widescreen TV needs STB to display 16:9 format?
>>>> Or are there some can automatically change the format?

>>> It depends on the tuner that is inbuilt into the TV. Some models
>>> (few) have SD (Standard Definition) tuners inbuilt, but most do
>>> not. You will need and external set top box for the 16:9 -

>> Nope, the Grundigs do it fine even without an SD tuner or STB.

> No they don't.

Yes they do.

> Analogue broadcasts are *not* widescreen.

Never said they are.

> The fact that the Grundig has a special stretch mode that makes
> a 4:3 picture not look so stretched does not mean it receives/
> displays a proper widescreen picture without a digital STB/tuner.

Duh.

> Assuming you have a 82 (76)cm Grundig set, the Channel Nine
> watermark should be about 10cm from the right edge of the screen
> at it's closest point, which is how it appears in widescreen digital.

> Rod, borrow/try a STB and see the truth for yourself.

Dont need to, I get 16:9 from the satellite STB.

> It shits all over the stretched image, let me tell you.

Thats a gross exaggeration.

[Rod Speed]

lhalha <lhalha.18ot8c@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in
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> Can someone therefore confirm that when I watch channel
> 10 news on the built in tuner analogue tuner on my Panasonic
> 76cm widescreen TV, when I have the TV in 16:9 mode I am
> only seeing a stretched version of the 4:3 format?

Correct, and there are some ways of stretching
that are less noticeable than others.

> Does the analogue tuner not pick up the widescreen picture,

In a technical sense, yes.

In practice its more complicated than that because some
of the analog channels are now being broadcast in 4:3
format with black bands at the top and bottom too,
particularly some of the programs on the ABC and SBS.

A TV with automatic format control can display that on
a widescreen TV without the black bands, no stretching.

> and do I definately need digital to pick up the widescreen broadcast?

Yes, except for the exception mentioned above.

> I've been confused by this for a while, because often when adverts
> are on, you get black bars of various sizes at the top and bottom.
> I haven't noticed stretching being that bad, but then again, people's
> arses do sometimes look fatter than they might actually be...

I notice it most on the ABC TV News banner, the globe
isnt round. Slightly flattened, not as high as it should be.

[flyinyereye]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> flyinyereye <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> > Assuming you have a 82 (76)cm Grundig set, the Channel Nine
> > watermark should be about 10cm from the right edge of the screen
> > at it's closest point, which is how it appears in widescreen digital.
>
> > Rod, borrow/try a STB and see the truth for yourself.
>
> Dont need to, I get 16:9 from the satellite STB.

Not relevant, this thread is discussing FTA terrestrial TV.

> > Rod, borrow/try a STB and see the truth for yourself.
> > It shits all over the stretched image, let me tell you.
>
> Thats a gross exaggeration.

No it's not. But I expect you'll want to have the last word anyway.

[thornton melon]

This is a confusing Issue???
I watch FTA analogue shows with BARS on a 4:3 TV, if I watch them on a 16:9 tv I should'nt have bars, as the tv is 16:9 format .This sound simple. Are you telling me i need a STB to get 16:9 format???.
I'm going to do some "research"

[Tony Rae]

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:19:47 +1000, thornton melon
<thornton.melon.18r43m@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote:

>This is a confusing Issue???
>I watch FTA analogue shows with BARS on a 4:3 TV, if I watch them on a
>16:9 tv I should'nt have bars, as the tv is 16:9 format .This sound
>simple. Are you telling me i need a STB to get 16:9 format???.

Yes, you'll need either a satellite STB, Foxtel digital cable or a FTA
SD/HD STB to watch widescreen programs on a 16:9 TV, otherwise you'll
still get bars. Even worse are the letterboxed programs, you'll get
black bars not only on top and bottom but also on the left and right.
Of course you could zoom the picture but it doesn't look very good.

[flyinyereye]

"thornton melon" <thornton.melon.18r43m@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in
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>
> This is a confusing Issue???
> I watch FTA analogue shows with BARS on a 4:3 TV, if I watch them on a
> 16:9 tv I should'nt have bars, as the tv is 16:9 format .This sound
> simple. Are you telling me i need a STB to get 16:9 format???.
> I'm going to do some "research"

Some content on analogue is presented in "letterboxed 4:3", and usually it's
14:9, not 16:9, except for some shows which are 16:9 (e.g. Enterprise).
Zooming this to fill a widescreen set means you're blowing up a low
resolution pic to fill the screen. Why is it "low res"? Because a whole
bunch of your 576 lines of resolution have been used up by the black bars.

With a digital STB, widescreen content is the full 576 lines and fills the
entire wide screen without zooming.

The only time your don't need a STB to get a true widescreen picture on a
widescren set in its full 576i glory is with an integrated digital tuner.

Zooming in letterboxed analogue content gives a much inferior image.