Power protection & quality?

[probeski]

Hi, i am interested in getting surge protection, RFI & EMI Filtration and some amount of line conditioning / voltage regulation wouldn't hurt (I don't wish to spend more than $500). Unfortunately many of the products i've looked at don't support the AC connectors that we have here in Australia. I have also read that Australian power may be generally cleaner than the most power in the US, which may be a factor to some extent. Can anyone give me any advice and suggestions on what they use for protection and good quality power? Are there any good quality Australian compatible products I should have a look at? I like some of Monster's products but once again the plugs are different.

[Gadgets]

DSE - Belkin 8 plug:
http://tinyurl.com/5l2mm

These are pretty handy for short surges, but no board will protect your gear
from everything. I bought the same one from DSE 6 months back for half that
price! Maybe try eBay (if they're new!!!)

Not sure about power conditioners...


Cheers, Jason (remove ... to reply)
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[Trevor Wilson]

"probeski" <probeski.1b2n1o@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Hi, i am interested in getting surge protection, RFI & EMI Filtration
> and some amount of line conditioning / voltage regulation wouldn't hurt
> (I don't wish to spend more than $500).

**Why? Do you have a problem?

There is an old adage in the repair biz: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

If you live in any major Australian city (except Perth), then don't bother.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[dezza]

Hi trevor,

Just curious about what problems there are in perth.

Dezza.

[noone]

There is an old adage in the repair biz: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."


I think the point is to prevent it from getting broke :)

How do you know you have a problem until a surge destroys $thousands worth of HiFi equipment?

Besides that, you can't tell me that your household has never been affected by a power surge?

[stronzo]

Hi, i am interested in getting surge protection, RFI & EMI Filtration and some amount of line conditioning / voltage regulation wouldn't hurt (I don't wish to spend more than $500). Unfortunately many of the products i've looked at don't support the AC connectors that we have here in Australia. I have also read that Australian power may be generally cleaner than the most power in the US, which may be a factor to some extent. Can anyone give me any advice and suggestions on what they use for protection and good quality power? Are there any good quality Australian compatible products I should have a look at? I like some of Monster's products but once again the plugs are different.


http://www.surgeshield.com.au

[Italo]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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> **It has. Before I moved in, a 5kV bearer fell onto the 240V mains. Very
> messy, by all accounts. That was more than 30 years ago. Since that time -
> nothing. Sydney power is excellent and very stable. As are all major
centres
> in Australia. Except Perth.

That maybe Trevor, but I live in Sydney and over the last couple of years
I've damaged; 1 Modem; 2 Scanners; 1 VCR; TV set had a tube replaced and
I've had to reset my AV amplifier twice all due to power surges/brownouts in
my area.

Power in Sydney is not that clean or stable and you need at least a power
surge protector on all appliances and, ideally if you can afford it, a power
backup/stabiliser..

--
Italo

[Rod Speed]

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in
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> noone <noone.1b4exm@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote
>> Trevor Wilson wrote

>>> There is an old adage in the repair biz: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

>> I think the point is to prevent it from getting broke :)

> Nothing you buy over the counter will do anything significant.

Thats arguable and some do come with decent insurance.

>> How do you know you have a problem until a surge
>> destroys $thousands worth of HiFi equipment?

> How big a surge do you want to prevent? Big surges require
> fitment by qualified electricians. Small surges are unimportant.

Nope, a decent continuous UPS fixes those.

Corse its arguable if thats better value than ensuring
that your household content insurance covers it.

[Rod Speed]

Italo <italotettoni.nospammingallowed@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>> It has. Before I moved in, a 5kV bearer fell onto the 240V mains.
>> Very messy, by all accounts. That was more than 30 years ago.
>> Since that time - nothing. Sydney power is excellent and very
>> stable. As are all major centres in Australia. Except Perth.

> That maybe Trevor, but I live in Sydney and over the last couple of years
> I've damaged; 1 Modem; 2 Scanners; 1 VCR; TV set had a tube replaced

VERY unlikely to have been a power surge.

> and I've had to reset my AV amplifier twice all
> due to power surges/brownouts in my area.

You aint established that those killed those appliances.

> Power in Sydney is not that clean or stable and you
> need at least a power surge protector on all appliances

Bullshit, the cheap ones have what is
already inside their power supplys already.

> and, ideally if you can afford it, a power backup/stabiliser..

Distinctly arguable if it makes any economic sense compared with insurance.

[Rod Speed]

Italo <italotettoni.nospammingallowed@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Italo <italotettoni.nospammingallowed@gmx.net> wrote
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote

>>>> Before I moved in, a 5kV bearer fell onto the 240V mains.
>>>> Very messy, by all accounts. That was more than 30 years
>>>> ago. Since that time - nothing. Sydney power is excellent and
>>>> very stable. As are all major centres in Australia. Except Perth.

>>> That maybe Trevor, but I live in Sydney and over
>>> the last couple of years I've damaged; 1 Modem;
>>> 2 Scanners; 1 VCR; TV set had a tube replaced

>> VERY unlikely to have been a power surge.

> So how do deduce that Sherlock?

I know how they work, Shitlock.

>>> and I've had to reset my AV amplifier twice all
>>> due to power surges/brownouts in my area.

>> You aint established that those killed those appliances.

> So you know the circumstances of what happened...

I clearly JUST said that YOU dont know that they killed that stuff.

YOU made the claim, YOU get to substantiate that claim.

THATS how it works.

> or just talking out of your arse as usual?

Leave that to you, Shitlock. That's how you got that name.

>>> Power in Sydney is not that clean or stable and you
>>> need at least a power surge protector on all appliances

>> Bullshit, the cheap ones have what is
>> already inside their power supplys already.

> English is your first language right?

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of
your predicament better than that pathetic effort, child.

Bullshit, the cheap ones have in them what is
already inside the appliance power supplys already.

>>> and, ideally if you can afford it, a power backup/stabiliser..

>> Distinctly arguable if it makes any economic sense compared with insurance.

> Dream on.

Pathetic, really.

[Italo]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I clearly JUST said that YOU dont know that they killed that stuff.
>
> YOU made the claim, YOU get to substantiate that claim.
>
> THATS how it works.

Talking out of your arse as usual.

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Italo

[Italo]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> VERY unlikely to have been a power surge.

So how do deduce that Sherlock?

> You aint established that those killed those appliances.

So you know the circumstances of what happened... or just talking out of
your arse as usual?

> Bullshit, the cheap ones have what is
> already inside their power supplys already.

English is your first language right?

> Distinctly arguable if it makes any economic sense compared with
insurance.

Dream on.

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Italo

[Trevor Wilson]

"Italo" <italotettoni.nospammingallowed@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4121d47b$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>
> > **It has. Before I moved in, a 5kV bearer fell onto the 240V mains. Very
> > messy, by all accounts. That was more than 30 years ago. Since that
time -
> > nothing. Sydney power is excellent and very stable. As are all major
> centres
> > in Australia. Except Perth.
>
> That maybe Trevor, but I live in Sydney and over the last couple of years
> I've damaged; 1 Modem; 2 Scanners; 1 VCR; TV set had a tube replaced and
> I've had to reset my AV amplifier twice all due to power surges/brownouts
in
> my area.

**Really? Can you prove it? In the past few years, I've had three computer
monitors, two hard drives, a modem, two TV sets, a scanner, a 'phone
answering machine, a CD player and two VCRs fail. None failed due to any
"power surges". Their failure can be attributed to other causes. I suspect
yours would be the same. If you have some proof to justify your assertion,
then I would be pleased to see it. As for resetting your AV amp, that is a
simply a non-event and no surge protection device will assist an any way.

>
> Power in Sydney is not that clean or stable and you need at least a power
> surge protector on all appliances and, ideally if you can afford it, a
power
> backup/stabiliser..

**Nonsense. Sydney power is fine. It has been so for decades. Not so,
lightning strikes (particularly to TV antennae). THAT is where real problems
occur.

Surge protection devices are better than nothing, but not much.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Rod Speed]

"Italo" <italotettoni.nospammingallowed@gmx.net> wrote in message news:4123bd99$0$25948$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:2ohoeoFa3j2cU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> I clearly JUST said that YOU dont know that they killed that stuff.
>>
>> YOU made the claim, YOU get to substantiate that claim.
>>
>> THATS how it works.
>
> Talking out of your arse as usual.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of your
predicament better than that pathetic effort, fuckwit child.

[Italo]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Who's talking to you, shit for brains.

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[Italo]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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> **Really? Can you prove it?

I don't 'need to prove it', power in Sydney is far from stable. I have
worked on the northern beaches for the past 3 years (Narrabeen) where with
monotonous regularity there are power failures (followed by power surges)
and that is just one suburb in Sydney.

> **Nonsense. Sydney power is fine. It has been so for decades. Not so,
> lightning strikes (particularly to TV antennae). THAT is where real
problems
> occur.

Sorry but that's just plain wrong.

>
> Surge protection devices are better than nothing, but not much.

Exactly, power screening devices are better but expensive.

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Italo

[Rod Speed]

Some pathetic little gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Italo <italotettoni@gmx.net> desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of its predicament in message
news:41248789$0$3928$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

[Trevor Wilson]

"Italo" <italotettoni.nospammingallowed@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4123d932$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>
> > **Really? Can you prove it?
>
> I don't 'need to prove it', power in Sydney is far from stable.

**No. You need to prove that power supply faults have caused all your
problems. Whilst brownouts may be inconvenient, they do not necessarily lead
to Voltage 'surges'. In any case, a Voltage 'surge' would pass through most
protection systems with ease. Protection systems can usually only cope with
spikes.

I have
> worked on the northern beaches for the past 3 years (Narrabeen) where with
> monotonous regularity there are power failures (followed by power surges)
> and that is just one suburb in Sydney.

**Prove that there are power surges and that they are the cause of all your
problems.

>
> > **Nonsense. Sydney power is fine. It has been so for decades. Not so,
> > lightning strikes (particularly to TV antennae). THAT is where real
> problems
> > occur.
>
> Sorry but that's just plain wrong.

**30 years of service tells me that I know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
The upsurge of repairs after electrical storms is something I can always
bank on.

>
> >
> > Surge protection devices are better than nothing, but not much.
>
> Exactly, power screening devices are better but expensive.

**And unnecessary.


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Italo]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> **And unnecessary.

That's why any company that deals in IT (has does mine) all institute
thorough power backup/protection schemes, especially working in any suburb
along Sydney's northern beaches or northern suburbs. You're entitled to your
opinion of course but let's not have silly nonsense being talked about as if
they're 'facts'.

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Italo

[Trevor Wilson]

"Italo" <italotettoni.nospammingallowed@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:41252899$1@news.comindico.com.au...
> >
> > **And unnecessary.
>
> That's why any company that deals in IT (has does mine) all institute
> thorough power backup/protection schemes, especially working in any suburb
> along Sydney's northern beaches or northern suburbs. You're entitled to
your
> opinion of course but let's not have silly nonsense being talked about as
if
> they're 'facts'.

**I emphatically agree. Just like your silly nonsense about damaged
equipment due to "power surges".


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Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au