FS: Perth: TDK Tremor S-150R, amp, speakers, remote, with optical input too

[Mike]

Hi Chaps,

For sale in Perth by pickup, can arrange postage.
I only have one of these sets, not a commercial repeat,
this is a private one-off...

TDK Tremor S-150R speakers, brand new in box never used,
includes remote, 3 inputs - 2 are audio, one is optical.

System comprises:-

Doubled ended Woofer amp combination
Pair of Satelite speakers
Desk mounts supplied
Wall mounts supplied
Infra Red Remote control for bass, treble, volume and input select
New remote batteries
All cables, power, speakers, remote to satellite
*Bonus 3m optical cable not normally included by dealers*

Reference links:-

http://www.tdk.com.au/products/computer_peripherals/tremor_speakers_s150r.htm

http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/item320.asp

One year warranty, Dont forget the bonus 3m
flexible optical cable also brand new in original
packing not normally supplied, rectangular fit type.

Asking $200 ono,

Rgds

Mike
Email: <erazmus@iinet.net.au>

[Warmingup]

You'll need to discount quite a bit...Second hand is always CHEAPER than
new.


"Never used" is not equal to New.....


it's more like "Second hand in perfect condition, just unwrapped, looked at
and realised that it isn't what I want re-wrapped."


Starting point?......35% off the best price you can get......and still be
prepared to keep going down.....


Sorry, but it is just thus.


Warmingup




"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:412edd86$0$22836$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> Hi Chaps,
>
> For sale in Perth by pickup, can arrange postage.
> I only have one of these sets, not a commercial repeat,
> this is a private one-off...
>
> TDK Tremor S-150R speakers, brand new in box never used,
> includes remote, 3 inputs - 2 are audio, one is optical.
>
> System comprises:-
>
> Doubled ended Woofer amp combination
> Pair of Satelite speakers
> Desk mounts supplied
> Wall mounts supplied
> Infra Red Remote control for bass, treble, volume and input select
> New remote batteries
> All cables, power, speakers, remote to satellite
> *Bonus 3m optical cable not normally included by dealers*
>
> Reference links:-
>
>
http://www.tdk.com.au/products/computer_peripherals/tremor_speakers_s150r.ht
m
>
> http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/item320.asp
>
> One year warranty, Dont forget the bonus 3m
> flexible optical cable also brand new in original
> packing not normally supplied, rectangular fit type.
>
> Asking $200 ono,
>
> Rgds
>
> Mike
> Email: <erazmus@iinet.net.au>
>

[Mike]

Sorry I should have said

"Brand new, tested and demonstrated" only had it one day...

With new warranty :-)

Are you in Perth or just pulling my chain ;-)

Mike



In article <412eeb3d$0$22815$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, somewon@microsoft.com says...
>
>You'll need to discount quite a bit...Second hand is always CHEAPER than
>new.
>
>
>"Never used" is not equal to New.....
>
>
>it's more like "Second hand in perfect condition, just unwrapped, looked at
>and realised that it isn't what I want re-wrapped."
>
>
>Starting point?......35% off the best price you can get......and still be
>prepared to keep going down.....
>
>
>Sorry, but it is just thus.
>
>
>Warmingup
>
>
>
>
>"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>news:412edd86$0$22836$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>> Hi Chaps,
>>
>> For sale in Perth by pickup, can arrange postage.
>> I only have one of these sets, not a commercial repeat,
>> this is a private one-off...
>>
>> TDK Tremor S-150R speakers, brand new in box never used,
>> includes remote, 3 inputs - 2 are audio, one is optical.
>>
>> System comprises:-
>>
>> Doubled ended Woofer amp combination
>> Pair of Satelite speakers
>> Desk mounts supplied
>> Wall mounts supplied
>> Infra Red Remote control for bass, treble, volume and input select
>> New remote batteries
>> All cables, power, speakers, remote to satellite
>> *Bonus 3m optical cable not normally included by dealers*
>>
>> Reference links:-
>>
>>
>http://www.tdk.com.au/products/computer_peripherals/tremor_speakers_s150r.ht
>m
>>
>> http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/item320.asp
>>
>> One year warranty, Dont forget the bonus 3m
>> flexible optical cable also brand new in original
>> packing not normally supplied, rectangular fit type.
>>
>> Asking $200 ono,
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> Mike
>> Email: <erazmus@iinet.net.au>
>>
>
>

[The Family]

Mike,

I regret to advise that you really need to follow that discounting advice,
assuming you actually do wish to sell.
You won't be offering the dealer back-up that a shop front retailer would
offer, will you? And how do we know to trust you that the goods ARE brand
new?
Look at eBay pricing if you don't believe this advice.
35% discount from new retail price is a reasonable starting point. And the
longer it takes you to sell, the more the price will fall.
Welcome to a free market economy.




"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:412f12de$0$22825$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Sorry I should have said
>
> "Brand new, tested and demonstrated" only had it one day...
>
> With new warranty :-)
>
> Are you in Perth or just pulling my chain ;-)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> In article <412eeb3d$0$22815$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
somewon@microsoft.com says...
> >
> >You'll need to discount quite a bit...Second hand is always CHEAPER than
> >new.
> >
> >
> >"Never used" is not equal to New.....
> >
> >
> >it's more like "Second hand in perfect condition, just unwrapped, looked
at
> >and realised that it isn't what I want re-wrapped."
> >
> >
> >Starting point?......35% off the best price you can get......and still be
> >prepared to keep going down.....
> >
> >
> >Sorry, but it is just thus.
> >
> >
> >Warmingup
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> >news:412edd86$0$22836$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> >>
> >> Hi Chaps,
> >>
> >> For sale in Perth by pickup, can arrange postage.
> >> I only have one of these sets, not a commercial repeat,
> >> this is a private one-off...
> >>
> >> TDK Tremor S-150R speakers, brand new in box never used,
> >> includes remote, 3 inputs - 2 are audio, one is optical.
> >>
> >> System comprises:-
> >>
> >> Doubled ended Woofer amp combination
> >> Pair of Satelite speakers
> >> Desk mounts supplied
> >> Wall mounts supplied
> >> Infra Red Remote control for bass, treble, volume and input select
> >> New remote batteries
> >> All cables, power, speakers, remote to satellite
> >> *Bonus 3m optical cable not normally included by dealers*
> >>
> >> Reference links:-
> >>
> >>
>
>http://www.tdk.com.au/products/computer_peripherals/tremor_speakers_s150r.h
t
> >m
> >>
> >> http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/item320.asp
> >>
> >> One year warranty, Dont forget the bonus 3m
> >> flexible optical cable also brand new in original
> >> packing not normally supplied, rectangular fit type.
> >>
> >> Asking $200 ono,
> >>
> >> Rgds
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> Email: <erazmus@iinet.net.au>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Mike]

In article <412f6a1e$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com says...
>
>Mike,
>
>I regret to advise that you really need to follow that discounting advice,
>assuming you actually do wish to sell.
>You won't be offering the dealer back-up that a shop front retailer would
>offer, will you?

Actually I offer more, the optical cable to start with.

And how do we know to trust you that the goods ARE brand
>new?

See the invoice on inspection if you like, $35 below retail and dated.

>Look at eBay pricing if you don't believe this advice.

So people that make offers in a narrow forum are credible critics are they ?

>35% discount from new retail price is a reasonable starting point. And the
>longer it takes you to sell, the more the price will fall.
>Welcome to a free market economy.

Thankyou for the opportunity to repeat the post,
though did you not see one clear aspect:-

"ono"

Need I say more ?


Mike



>"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>news:412f12de$0$22825$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Sorry I should have said
>>
>> "Brand new, tested and demonstrated" only had it one day...
>>
>> With new warranty :-)
>>
>> Are you in Perth or just pulling my chain ;-)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> In article <412eeb3d$0$22815$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
>somewon@microsoft.com says...
>> >
>> >You'll need to discount quite a bit...Second hand is always CHEAPER than
>> >new.
>> >
>> >
>> >"Never used" is not equal to New.....
>> >
>> >
>> >it's more like "Second hand in perfect condition, just unwrapped, looked
>at
>> >and realised that it isn't what I want re-wrapped."
>> >
>> >
>> >Starting point?......35% off the best price you can get......and still be
>> >prepared to keep going down.....
>> >
>> >
>> >Sorry, but it is just thus.
>> >
>> >
>> >Warmingup
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> >news:412edd86$0$22836$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> >>
>> >> Hi Chaps,
>> >>
>> >> For sale in Perth by pickup, can arrange postage.
>> >> I only have one of these sets, not a commercial repeat,
>> >> this is a private one-off...
>> >>
>> >> TDK Tremor S-150R speakers, brand new in box never used,
>> >> includes remote, 3 inputs - 2 are audio, one is optical.
>> >>
>> >> System comprises:-
>> >>
>> >> Doubled ended Woofer amp combination
>> >> Pair of Satelite speakers
>> >> Desk mounts supplied
>> >> Wall mounts supplied
>> >> Infra Red Remote control for bass, treble, volume and input select
>> >> New remote batteries
>> >> All cables, power, speakers, remote to satellite
>> >> *Bonus 3m optical cable not normally included by dealers*
>> >>
>> >> Reference links:-
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.tdk.com.au/products/computer_peripherals/tremor_speakers_s150r.h
>t
>> >m
>> >>
>> >> http://www.i-tech.com.au/products/item320.asp
>> >>
>> >> One year warranty, Dont forget the bonus 3m
>> >> flexible optical cable also brand new in original
>> >> packing not normally supplied, rectangular fit type.
>> >>
>> >> Asking $200 ono,
>> >>
>> >> Rgds
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> Email: <erazmus@iinet.net.au>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

[The Family]

"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:412f7233$0$22814$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> In article <412f6a1e$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com
says...
> >
> >Mike,
> >
> >I regret to advise that you really need to follow that discounting
advice,
> >assuming you actually do wish to sell.
> >You won't be offering the dealer back-up that a shop front retailer would
> >offer, will you?
>
> Actually I offer more, the optical cable to start with.
>
> And how do we know to trust you that the goods ARE brand
> >new?
>
> See the invoice on inspection if you like, $35 below retail and dated.
>
> >Look at eBay pricing if you don't believe this advice.
>
> So people that make offers in a narrow forum are credible critics are they
?
>

Often, yes. Especially when they offer sensible advice that can be
substantiated.

Case in point: eBay is a very widely followed free-market pricing method
for second hand (including "as-new") product. MANY people check out eBay
and MANY people buy/sell there. It's a very credible price signal and you
would be foolish not to price close to, or at, eBay levels.

So yeah, your current pricing level needs revision if you really intend to
sell.

[Mike]

In article <4134b97a$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com says...
>> So people that make offers in a narrow forum are credible critics are they
>?
>>
>
>Often, yes. Especially when they offer sensible advice that can be
>substantiated.

Who determines what is sensible, there is so much rubbish on
news groups it takes too much time to wade through it and how
often is 'often' - bit vague there ?

>Case in point: eBay is a very widely followed free-market pricing method
>for second hand (including "as-new") product. MANY people check out eBay
>and MANY people buy/sell there. It's a very credible price signal and you
>would be foolish not to price close to, or at, eBay levels.

How widely, how many who have net connection buy from ebay ?

How 'MANY' is many ?

Ebay is great for odd stuff, so so much for standard stuff when
you have to add postage and items get damaged in transit or sender
takes ages to ship after payment or payment is 'delayed'...

I have seen items on ebay more expensive than from shops.

I have seen people on ebay bid ridiculous amounts for ordinary
items and sometimes no bid for items which sell well in shops.

It is not an authoritative forum by any means it is subject to
variation in value for unclear reasons.

>So yeah, your current pricing level needs revision if you really intend to
>sell.

The one good point you've made

*grin*


Mike

[The Family]

You're not thinking clearly.

The ONLY way to deal with eBay is via a net connection and about half the
Australian population use the net regularly.

eBay has about 800,000 members in Australia. Many more overseas. Numbers
are escalating rapidly. People who are looking at what you have on offer
will find it if you list on eBay because they can target your goods,
provided you use well-chosen key words. Not so easy for a potential buyer
to find you via a newsgroup offer.

eBay sets the market. Prices are real, people buy and sell at those prices.
If you reckon they pay too much, all the more reason to sell that way!
(Reality check: Markets like eBay usually work pretty well - in other
words, you're unlikely to get a super-normal price (that's an economics
term).

Why don't you try eBay rather than sell via the very thin market that
populates a newsgroup? Many of the Usenet surfers are not even slightly
interested in buying your wares. They're here for all kinds of reasons!

Keep your head in the sand, mate, or get realistic and learn a bit about
trading.


"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:41356e38$0$5229$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> In article <4134b97a$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com
says...
> >> So people that make offers in a narrow forum are credible critics are
they
> >?
> >>
> >
> >Often, yes. Especially when they offer sensible advice that can be
> >substantiated.
>
> Who determines what is sensible, there is so much rubbish on
> news groups it takes too much time to wade through it and how
> often is 'often' - bit vague there ?
>
> >Case in point: eBay is a very widely followed free-market pricing method
> >for second hand (including "as-new") product. MANY people check out eBay
> >and MANY people buy/sell there. It's a very credible price signal and
you
> >would be foolish not to price close to, or at, eBay levels.
>
> How widely, how many who have net connection buy from ebay ?
>
> How 'MANY' is many ?
>
> Ebay is great for odd stuff, so so much for standard stuff when
> you have to add postage and items get damaged in transit or sender
> takes ages to ship after payment or payment is 'delayed'...
>
> I have seen items on ebay more expensive than from shops.
>
> I have seen people on ebay bid ridiculous amounts for ordinary
> items and sometimes no bid for items which sell well in shops.
>
> It is not an authoritative forum by any means it is subject to
> variation in value for unclear reasons.
>
> >So yeah, your current pricing level needs revision if you really intend
to
> >sell.
>
> The one good point you've made
>
> *grin*
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>

[Mike]

In article <41357840$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com says...
>You're not thinking clearly.

Keh, (?) you are the one who is not thinking clearly (:!), the net (ebay)
is not where most commerce occurs, surely you have woken up to complexity and
people dont have simple reasons for undertaking any action that you
superficially wish to judge with limited understanding and enter into
comment fully unprepared in so many diverse ways <sigh>

>The ONLY way to deal with eBay is via a net connection and about half the
>Australian population use the net regularly.

So what (?), of course people deal with ebay via the net, have I ever suggested
otherwise, why the bleeding obvious (?), you are not thinking clearly and
extending a discussion about ebay and net use, clearly not appropriate
to the discussion about "ebay setting the price" as you imply, which cannot
be true because the goals are shifting all the time in a dynamic forum,
ie The same product is purchased by different people at different times
and prices are not discretely correlated with income or season or politics !

>eBay has about 800,000 members in Australia. Many more overseas. Numbers
>are escalating rapidly. People who are looking at what you have on offer
>will find it if you list on eBay because they can target your goods,
>provided you use well-chosen key words. Not so easy for a potential buyer
>to find you via a newsgroup offer.

There 'may' be 800K members, doesnt mean they are mostly active most of
the time, besides why should I take any credence from a forum made
up of impulse buyers who dont think clearly or do research and change
offers at a whim for no correlative reason - huh ?

>eBay sets the market. Prices are real, people buy and sell at those prices.
>If you reckon they pay too much, all the more reason to sell that way!
>(Reality check: Markets like eBay usually work pretty well - in other
>words, you're unlikely to get a super-normal price (that's an economics
>term).

ebay does not "set the market", I dont see Hardly Normals, Super Cheap,
Myers, David Jones, Woolworths, Coles, Gull, doctors, dentists, JB HiFi,
my up the road secondhand store, cash converters, Dome, pawn shops
and others on ebay yet those are the companies I mostly buy from, so
clearly your thinking is flawed if you think "ebay sets the market",
does your local deli trade through ebay - I doubt it, try thinking better
and be careful to accuse someone like me of not thinking clearly <sigh>

What a load of rubbish to suggest a limited US based company sets
prices for retailers and secondhand shops, they dont (period). Of course
they might like to - but (so far) they dont (another period).

Besides, and this is where your thinking is really flawed and flakey:-

Ebay is part of a dynamic, it is not a static price setting environment
as you might hope, its nice for simple people to want to believe in
a static but the world, and by that I mean the shifting change in
manufacturing economics as represented in fast changing product lines
like speakers such as with limited interfaces, is far far more complex.
If you really knew about marketing beyond the limitation of a mere trader
then you might appreciate combinatorial complexity goes far beyond your
understanding of what you think I was doing or experimenting with...

>Why don't you try eBay rather than sell via the very thin market that
>populates a newsgroup? Many of the Usenet surfers are not even slightly
>interested in buying your wares. They're here for all kinds of reasons!

Have been on ebay and its fine for niche stuff not generally for standard wares,
offers are variable and diverse, I have received better prices for items
through newsgroups and emails come thick and fast and have nothing to
do with subsidiary posts in threads, I disclose my email for that purpose
and take the rewards as I choose, my spam filter is nore than adequate :)

>Keep your head in the sand, mate, or get realistic and learn a bit about
>trading.

:) Clearly you are not thinking beyond the box of "buy low and sell high"

I take the view rather differently, I test the waters, then manage my time,
whereas you are thinking or rather 'reacting' tangentially and mechanically
so from the perspective of a simple trader who doesnt think much beyond
what it takes to get a simple sale and one dimensionally so at that.

The matter is now mute because the item is no longer for sale
(you can come to your own guess as to why thats the case :-)
[and I didnt have to pay for it anyway], put that in your pipe and smoke
it, because you dont know much about anything beyond mere trade and
simplistic notions of environments or demographics but have an impulsive
willingness to enter into dialectic beyond your abstract capacity
or so it seems at this early stage in your understanding :-)

There is more in heaven and earth then suggested in your mindset,
so go back to sleep and think of better times when primates roamed the earth
dragging their proverbial knuckles making dust eddies, hoping for gloves
and sunglasses to be invented as they muzed quizzically at the
actions of their peers with their larger non-neanderthal brains ~`:o

*grin*

Cheers

Mike



>
>"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>news:41356e38$0$5229$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> In article <4134b97a$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com
>says...
>> >> So people that make offers in a narrow forum are credible critics are
>they
>> >?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Often, yes. Especially when they offer sensible advice that can be
>> >substantiated.
>>
>> Who determines what is sensible, there is so much rubbish on
>> news groups it takes too much time to wade through it and how
>> often is 'often' - bit vague there ?
>>
>> >Case in point: eBay is a very widely followed free-market pricing method
>> >for second hand (including "as-new") product. MANY people check out eBay
>> >and MANY people buy/sell there. It's a very credible price signal and
>you
>> >would be foolish not to price close to, or at, eBay levels.
>>
>> How widely, how many who have net connection buy from ebay ?
>>
>> How 'MANY' is many ?
>>
>> Ebay is great for odd stuff, so so much for standard stuff when
>> you have to add postage and items get damaged in transit or sender
>> takes ages to ship after payment or payment is 'delayed'...
>>
>> I have seen items on ebay more expensive than from shops.
>>
>> I have seen people on ebay bid ridiculous amounts for ordinary
>> items and sometimes no bid for items which sell well in shops.
>>
>> It is not an authoritative forum by any means it is subject to
>> variation in value for unclear reasons.
>>
>> >So yeah, your current pricing level needs revision if you really intend
>to
>> >sell.
>>
>> The one good point you've made
>>
>> *grin*
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[The Family]

Have you sold the goods yet?

"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:41374d9e$0$25390$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> In article <41357840$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com
says...
> >You're not thinking clearly.
>
> Keh, (?) you are the one who is not thinking clearly (:!), the net (ebay)
> is not where most commerce occurs,

Who's saying it does?

> surely you have woken up to complexity and
> people dont have simple reasons for undertaking any action that you
> superficially wish to judge with limited understanding and enter into
> comment fully unprepared in so many diverse ways
>

Whoa boy! Now that REALLY sounds like a little boy stringing big words!

><sigh>
>

That's an immature, out-of-the-box response from someone who's lost it.

>
> >The ONLY way to deal with eBay is via a net connection and about half the
> >Australian population use the net regularly.
>
> So what (?), of course people deal with ebay via the net, have I ever
suggested
> otherwise, why the bleeding obvious (?),
>

Yes, you did suggest otherwise. That's why I think you're rather simple.
Sorry.

> you are not thinking clearly and
> extending a discussion about ebay and net use, clearly not appropriate
> to the discussion about "ebay setting the price" as you imply, which
cannot
> be true because the goals are shifting all the time in a dynamic forum,
> ie The same product is purchased by different people at different times
> and prices are not discretely correlated with income or season or politics
!
>

Hey, in about 100 words you've just discovered a basic market principle.
Prices change! (I said what you said in two words.) Again: Prices change.
Get used to it. (We don't live in a State-controlled economy)

>
> >eBay has about 800,000 members in Australia. Many more overseas.
Numbers
> >are escalating rapidly. People who are looking at what you have on offer
> >will find it if you list on eBay because they can target your goods,
> >provided you use well-chosen key words. Not so easy for a potential
buyer
> >to find you via a newsgroup offer.
>
> There 'may' be 800K members, doesnt mean they are mostly active most of
> the time, besides why should I take any credence from a forum made
> up of impulse buyers who dont think clearly or do research and change
> offers at a whim for no correlative reason - huh ?
>

Naughty, you misquoted. I said "about 800,000." It's reported in eBay's
10-K.

> >eBay sets the market. Prices are real, people buy and sell at those
prices.
> >If you reckon they pay too much, all the more reason to sell that way!
> >(Reality check: Markets like eBay usually work pretty well - in other
> >words, you're unlikely to get a super-normal price (that's an economics
> >term).
>
> ebay does not "set the market", I dont see Hardly Normals, Super Cheap,
> Myers, David Jones, Woolworths, Coles, Gull, doctors, dentists, JB HiFi,
>

Since when did any of those routinely deal second-hand?

> my up the road secondhand store, cash converters, Dome, pawn shops

Mostly minor players cf eBay. Minor players, by definition, can't set the
market.

> and others on ebay yet those are the companies I mostly buy from, so
> clearly your thinking is flawed if you think "ebay sets the market",

Do you really believe that? There was an AFR article recently that in
essence said that players such as Cash Converters are struggling against
eBay due to their high cost structures. "Struggling" is an important word.
It intones problems - problems because eBay's low cost structure is setting
the market price, a price that is below your local player.

> does your local deli trade through ebay - I doubt it, try thinking better
> and be careful to accuse someone like me of not thinking clearly <sigh>
>

Silly statement. My local deli went out of biz years ago - displaced by
Coles and WW. Once again, these stores don't sell second hand. You're
being illogical again.

>
> What a load of rubbish to suggest a limited US based company sets
> prices for retailers and secondhand shops, they dont (period). Of course
> they might like to - but (so far) they dont (another period).
>

Talked to one of the few surviving conventional second hand dealers lately?
They rue the day the eBay dived into Australia. As for having 800.000
customers - that's something they could only dream of.

>
> Besides, and this is where your thinking is really flawed and flakey:-
>
> Ebay is part of a dynamic, it is not a static price setting environment
> as you might hope, its nice for simple people to want to believe in
> a static but the world, and by that I mean the shifting change in
> manufacturing economics as represented in fast changing product lines
> like speakers such as with limited interfaces, is far far more complex.
> If you really knew about marketing beyond the limitation of a mere trader
> then you might appreciate combinatorial complexity goes far beyond your
> understanding of what you think I was doing or experimenting with...
>

What a bunch of rubbish, written by someone with almost no world experience.
Do an MBA, that might help you sort your head out if you really want to
learn about markets. Yep, the market place is dynamic. That won't help you
get a buyer for your over-priced second hand gear!

>
> >Why don't you try eBay rather than sell via the very thin market that
> >populates a newsgroup? Many of the Usenet surfers are not even slightly
> >interested in buying your wares. They're here for all kinds of reasons!
>
> Have been on ebay and its fine for niche stuff not generally for standard
wares,
> offers are variable and diverse, I have received better prices for items
> through newsgroups and emails come thick and fast and have nothing to
> do with subsidiary posts in threads, I disclose my email for that purpose
> and take the rewards as I choose, my spam filter is nore than adequate :)
>
> >Keep your head in the sand, mate, or get realistic and learn a bit about
> >trading.
>
> :) Clearly you are not thinking beyond the box of "buy low and sell high"
>

Huh? I think that's almost what you're trying to do. Buy high (retail) and
sell at almost retail.

Illogical conclusion. Again.

> I take the view rather differently, I test the waters, then manage my
time,
> whereas you are thinking or rather 'reacting' tangentially and
mechanically
> so from the perspective of a simple trader who doesnt think much beyond
> what it takes to get a simple sale and one dimensionally so at that.
>

Simple traders often get rich. They're focussed. You, mate, are all over
the place. And love showing off with your big-note vocab.

You seem to have lots of spare time too - otherwise you'd be brief here.
Unemployed or a not-so-successful student?

>
> The matter is now mute because the item is no longer for sale
> (you can come to your own guess as to why thats the case :-)

No wonder.

> [and I didnt have to pay for it anyway],

Stolen?

> put that in your pipe and smoke
> it, because you dont know much about anything beyond mere trade and
> simplistic notions of environments or demographics but have an impulsive
> willingness to enter into dialectic beyond your abstract capacity
> or so it seems at this early stage in your understanding :-)
>

You know how to real off a bunch of diatribe but little about how real world
markets work, it seems.
Whatever gets your rocks off, I guess.

>
> There is more in heaven and earth then suggested in your mindset,
> so go back to sleep and think of better times when primates roamed the
earth
> dragging their proverbial knuckles making dust eddies, hoping for gloves
> and sunglasses to be invented as they muzed quizzically at the
> actions of their peers with their larger non-neanderthal brains ~`:o
>
> *grin*
>
> Cheers
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> >
> >"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> >news:41356e38$0$5229$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> >> In article <4134b97a$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com
> >says...
> >> >> So people that make offers in a narrow forum are credible critics
are
> >they
> >> >?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Often, yes. Especially when they offer sensible advice that can be
> >> >substantiated.
> >>
> >> Who determines what is sensible, there is so much rubbish on
> >> news groups it takes too much time to wade through it and how
> >> often is 'often' - bit vague there ?
> >>
> >> >Case in point: eBay is a very widely followed free-market pricing
method
> >> >for second hand (including "as-new") product. MANY people check out
eBay
> >> >and MANY people buy/sell there. It's a very credible price signal
and
> >you
> >> >would be foolish not to price close to, or at, eBay levels.
> >>
> >> How widely, how many who have net connection buy from ebay ?
> >>
> >> How 'MANY' is many ?
> >>
> >> Ebay is great for odd stuff, so so much for standard stuff when
> >> you have to add postage and items get damaged in transit or sender
> >> takes ages to ship after payment or payment is 'delayed'...
> >>
> >> I have seen items on ebay more expensive than from shops.
> >>
> >> I have seen people on ebay bid ridiculous amounts for ordinary
> >> items and sometimes no bid for items which sell well in shops.
> >>
> >> It is not an authoritative forum by any means it is subject to
> >> variation in value for unclear reasons.
> >>
> >> >So yeah, your current pricing level needs revision if you really
intend
> >to
> >> >sell.
> >>
> >> The one good point you've made
> >>
> >> *grin*
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Mike]

In article <41375746@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com says...
>
>Have you sold the goods yet?

I dont have them anymore, suggest you check the retailers :-)

As to the rest of your 'reaction' ask yourself a basic question,
why would someone who deals on ebay and newsgroups for over 10
years bother to place a notice in a newsgroup ?

If you come up with a simple answer then be happy your brain is
functioning to your expected capacity, if however, you dont come
up with a ready response then please consider a wider field
with a diverse range of possibles you may well speculate as to
my motives (clue) to seek out other with similar gear or keep
a thread going to attract attention or test the skills of
people not interested in buying the item but just wasting time
or people who like to get into an argument for the hell of it
or something entertaining between more interesting pursuits,
I could go on but I think you have capacity for more options...

It really isnt worth responding to your insults, they are just
getting worse, I just cant assist you in your mechanistic meanderings...

bye

Mike
PS: Recall my first post did mention 'ono' and items no longer
available, who said cash was only medium for transaction, need I
say more, I hope you have the intellectual mettle to fill the blanks.



>
>"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>news:41374d9e$0$25390$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> In article <41357840$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com
>says...
>> >You're not thinking clearly.
>>
>> Keh, (?) you are the one who is not thinking clearly (:!), the net (ebay)
>> is not where most commerce occurs,
>
>Who's saying it does?
>
>> surely you have woken up to complexity and
>> people dont have simple reasons for undertaking any action that you
>> superficially wish to judge with limited understanding and enter into
>> comment fully unprepared in so many diverse ways
>>
>
>Whoa boy! Now that REALLY sounds like a little boy stringing big words!
>
>><sigh>
>>
>
>That's an immature, out-of-the-box response from someone who's lost it.
>
>>
>> >The ONLY way to deal with eBay is via a net connection and about half the
>> >Australian population use the net regularly.
>>
>> So what (?), of course people deal with ebay via the net, have I ever
>suggested
>> otherwise, why the bleeding obvious (?),
>>
>
>Yes, you did suggest otherwise. That's why I think you're rather simple.
>Sorry.
>
>> you are not thinking clearly and
>> extending a discussion about ebay and net use, clearly not appropriate
>> to the discussion about "ebay setting the price" as you imply, which
>cannot
>> be true because the goals are shifting all the time in a dynamic forum,
>> ie The same product is purchased by different people at different times
>> and prices are not discretely correlated with income or season or politics
>!
>>
>
>Hey, in about 100 words you've just discovered a basic market principle.
>Prices change! (I said what you said in two words.) Again: Prices change.
>Get used to it. (We don't live in a State-controlled economy)
>
>>
>> >eBay has about 800,000 members in Australia. Many more overseas.
>Numbers
>> >are escalating rapidly. People who are looking at what you have on offer
>> >will find it if you list on eBay because they can target your goods,
>> >provided you use well-chosen key words. Not so easy for a potential
>buyer
>> >to find you via a newsgroup offer.
>>
>> There 'may' be 800K members, doesnt mean they are mostly active most of
>> the time, besides why should I take any credence from a forum made
>> up of impulse buyers who dont think clearly or do research and change
>> offers at a whim for no correlative reason - huh ?
>>
>
>Naughty, you misquoted. I said "about 800,000." It's reported in eBay's
>10-K.
>
>> >eBay sets the market. Prices are real, people buy and sell at those
>prices.
>> >If you reckon they pay too much, all the more reason to sell that way!
>> >(Reality check: Markets like eBay usually work pretty well - in other
>> >words, you're unlikely to get a super-normal price (that's an economics
>> >term).
>>
>> ebay does not "set the market", I dont see Hardly Normals, Super Cheap,
>> Myers, David Jones, Woolworths, Coles, Gull, doctors, dentists, JB HiFi,
>>
>
>Since when did any of those routinely deal second-hand?
>
>> my up the road secondhand store, cash converters, Dome, pawn shops
>
>Mostly minor players cf eBay. Minor players, by definition, can't set the
>market.
>
>> and others on ebay yet those are the companies I mostly buy from, so
>> clearly your thinking is flawed if you think "ebay sets the market",
>
>Do you really believe that? There was an AFR article recently that in
>essence said that players such as Cash Converters are struggling against
>eBay due to their high cost structures. "Struggling" is an important word.
>It intones problems - problems because eBay's low cost structure is setting
>the market price, a price that is below your local player.
>
>> does your local deli trade through ebay - I doubt it, try thinking better
>> and be careful to accuse someone like me of not thinking clearly <sigh>
>>
>
>Silly statement. My local deli went out of biz years ago - displaced by
>Coles and WW. Once again, these stores don't sell second hand. You're
>being illogical again.
>
>>
>> What a load of rubbish to suggest a limited US based company sets
>> prices for retailers and secondhand shops, they dont (period). Of course
>> they might like to - but (so far) they dont (another period).
>>
>
>Talked to one of the few surviving conventional second hand dealers lately?
>They rue the day the eBay dived into Australia. As for having 800.000
>customers - that's something they could only dream of.
>
>>
>> Besides, and this is where your thinking is really flawed and flakey:-
>>
>> Ebay is part of a dynamic, it is not a static price setting environment
>> as you might hope, its nice for simple people to want to believe in
>> a static but the world, and by that I mean the shifting change in
>> manufacturing economics as represented in fast changing product lines
>> like speakers such as with limited interfaces, is far far more complex.
>> If you really knew about marketing beyond the limitation of a mere trader
>> then you might appreciate combinatorial complexity goes far beyond your
>> understanding of what you think I was doing or experimenting with...
>>
>
>What a bunch of rubbish, written by someone with almost no world experience.
>Do an MBA, that might help you sort your head out if you really want to
>learn about markets. Yep, the market place is dynamic. That won't help you
>get a buyer for your over-priced second hand gear!
>
>>
>> >Why don't you try eBay rather than sell via the very thin market that
>> >populates a newsgroup? Many of the Usenet surfers are not even slightly
>> >interested in buying your wares. They're here for all kinds of reasons!
>>
>> Have been on ebay and its fine for niche stuff not generally for standard
>wares,
>> offers are variable and diverse, I have received better prices for items
>> through newsgroups and emails come thick and fast and have nothing to
>> do with subsidiary posts in threads, I disclose my email for that purpose
>> and take the rewards as I choose, my spam filter is nore than adequate :)
>>
>> >Keep your head in the sand, mate, or get realistic and learn a bit about
>> >trading.
>>
>> :) Clearly you are not thinking beyond the box of "buy low and sell high"
>>
>
>Huh? I think that's almost what you're trying to do. Buy high (retail) and
>sell at almost retail.
>
>Illogical conclusion. Again.
>
>> I take the view rather differently, I test the waters, then manage my
>time,
>> whereas you are thinking or rather 'reacting' tangentially and
>mechanically
>> so from the perspective of a simple trader who doesnt think much beyond
>> what it takes to get a simple sale and one dimensionally so at that.
>>
>
>Simple traders often get rich. They're focussed. You, mate, are all over
>the place. And love showing off with your big-note vocab.
>
>You seem to have lots of spare time too - otherwise you'd be brief here.
>Unemployed or a not-so-successful student?
>
>>
>> The matter is now mute because the item is no longer for sale
>> (you can come to your own guess as to why thats the case :-)
>
>No wonder.
>
>> [and I didnt have to pay for it anyway],
>
>Stolen?
>
>> put that in your pipe and smoke
>> it, because you dont know much about anything beyond mere trade and
>> simplistic notions of environments or demographics but have an impulsive
>> willingness to enter into dialectic beyond your abstract capacity
>> or so it seems at this early stage in your understanding :-)
>>
>
>You know how to real off a bunch of diatribe but little about how real world
>markets work, it seems.
>Whatever gets your rocks off, I guess.
>
>>
>> There is more in heaven and earth then suggested in your mindset,
>> so go back to sleep and think of better times when primates roamed the
>earth
>> dragging their proverbial knuckles making dust eddies, hoping for gloves
>> and sunglasses to be invented as they muzed quizzically at the
>> actions of their peers with their larger non-neanderthal brains ~`:o
>>
>> *grin*
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >"Mike" <erazmus@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> >news:41356e38$0$5229$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> >> In article <4134b97a$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>, someone@somewhere.com
>> >says...
>> >> >> So people that make offers in a narrow forum are credible critics
>are
>> >they
>> >> >?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Often, yes. Especially when they offer sensible advice that can be
>> >> >substantiated.
>> >>
>> >> Who determines what is sensible, there is so much rubbish on
>> >> news groups it takes too much time to wade through it and how
>> >> often is 'often' - bit vague there ?
>> >>
>> >> >Case in point: eBay is a very widely followed free-market pricing
>method
>> >> >for second hand (including "as-new") product. MANY people check out
>eBay
>> >> >and MANY people buy/sell there. It's a very credible price signal
>and
>> >you
>> >> >would be foolish not to price close to, or at, eBay levels.
>> >>
>> >> How widely, how many who have net connection buy from ebay ?
>> >>
>> >> How 'MANY' is many ?
>> >>
>> >> Ebay is great for odd stuff, so so much for standard stuff when
>> >> you have to add postage and items get damaged in transit or sender
>> >> takes ages to ship after payment or payment is 'delayed'...
>> >>
>> >> I have seen items on ebay more expensive than from shops.
>> >>
>> >> I have seen people on ebay bid ridiculous amounts for ordinary
>> >> items and sometimes no bid for items which sell well in shops.
>> >>
>> >> It is not an authoritative forum by any means it is subject to
>> >> variation in value for unclear reasons.
>> >>
>> >> >So yeah, your current pricing level needs revision if you really
>intend
>> >to
>> >> >sell.
>> >>
>> >> The one good point you've made
>> >>
>> >> *grin*
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

[Paul D]

>
> ebay does not "set the market", I dont see Hardly Normals, Super Cheap,
> Myers, David Jones, Woolworths, Coles, Gull, doctors, dentists, JB HiFi,
> my up the road secondhand store, cash converters, Dome, pawn shops
> and others on ebay yet those are the companies I mostly buy from, so
> clearly your thinking is flawed if you think "ebay sets the market",

I beg to differ, I will not buy from a Pawn shop without considering
what the "Completed items" list on Ebay could have brought me. I
certainly wouldn't consider a "tech" item without looking on Ebay first.
The first place I looked for an iPod was ebay and if it turns up in the
quokka cheaper then I know I have a bargain or an opportunity to make a
few bucks ;).

Paul

[Mike]

In article <4139e0d1$0$19712$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>, idrathernot@iinot.net.au says...
>
>
>>
>> ebay does not "set the market", I dont see Hardly Normals, Super Cheap,
>> Myers, David Jones, Woolworths, Coles, Gull, doctors, dentists, JB HiFi,
>> my up the road secondhand store, cash converters, Dome, pawn shops
>> and others on ebay yet those are the companies I mostly buy from, so
>> clearly your thinking is flawed if you think "ebay sets the market",
>
>I beg to differ, I will not buy from a Pawn shop without considering
>what the "Completed items" list on Ebay could have brought me. I
>certainly wouldn't consider a "tech" item without looking on Ebay first.
>The first place I looked for an iPod was ebay and if it turns up in the
>quokka cheaper then I know I have a bargain or an opportunity to make a
>few bucks ;).

Yeah thats fine for you, no problem but, there are many people who
are either not interested in ebay, dont have the time, impulse
buyers or dont understand net access at all. For those the market is
not 'set' by ebay and that is greater than so called 'ebay members'
alluded to by another poster.

The point I was making initially - which seems to have got out of hand
by the other poster is that ebay does not set the market overall, its
obviously useful for some people, but that group appear to be
the minority for the time being,

Rgds

Mike