Re: Falcon XR6 Typhoon

[Arnie]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> Of course, this particular article lists the Territory as the number one
> pick with comments like "Heavyweight offroader that drives like a
> Falcon...", and "Light and easy to handle with big wagon body", which
leads
> me to conclude that Stevie ****ing Wonder wrote it :)
>
> Incidently, what's your opinion of "Spank" Kieron? 2 tenths of a second?
:)

Actually the VZ SS was faster than the XR8 in every measurement. But they
prefer the XR8 coz sheer performance takes a lower priority in cars like
this you see :P

[Noddy]

"Arnie" <arnienospam@nospamteamfob.com> wrote in message
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> Actually the VZ SS was faster than the XR8 in every measurement. But they
> prefer the XR8 coz sheer performance takes a lower priority in cars like
> this you see :P

LOl :)

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Noddy.

[Kieron]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:05:36 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Arnie" <arnienospam@nospamteamfob.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Actually the VZ SS was faster than the XR8 in every measurement. But they
>> prefer the XR8 coz sheer performance takes a lower priority in cars like
>> this you see :P
>
>LOl :)

and the average Holden fan reading those tests would come to exactly
that conclusion, not actually understanding that it all has to work
cohesively :)

[Noddy]

"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> and the average Holden fan reading those tests would come to exactly
> that conclusion, not actually understanding that it all has to work
> cohesively :)

But of course :)

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[a9x5l]

> and the average Holden fan reading those tests would come to exactly that
> conclusion, not actually understanding that it all has to work cohesively
> :)

Wouldn't race track pace be an indicator to a cars _cohesiveness_?, if so
then how do you explain the fact that the SV8(235kw)(1:45.37) was nearly a
second faster than the XR6T(1:46.28) in last years PCOTY.

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[Noddy]

"a9x5l" <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wouldn't race track pace be an indicator to a cars _cohesiveness_?, if so
> then how do you explain the fact that the SV8(235kw)(1:45.37) was nearly a
> second faster than the XR6T(1:46.28) in last years PCOTY.

Don't worry pal, the Ford fanatics will invent some fanciful bullshit to
make the Ford look better than it was :)

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Noddy.

[Kieron]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:09:15 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"a9x5l" <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:pan.2004.11.11.08.16.24.603592@hotmail.com...
>
>> Wouldn't race track pace be an indicator to a cars _cohesiveness_?, if so
>> then how do you explain the fact that the SV8(235kw)(1:45.37) was nearly a
>> second faster than the XR6T(1:46.28) in last years PCOTY.
>
>Don't worry pal, the Ford fanatics will invent some fanciful bullshit to
>make the Ford look better than it was :)

Don't need too, its there in print, just other know it alls think they
are better than others but clearly they arn't if they think a quarter
mile is the be all of a comparo.

[Noddy]

"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don't need too, its there in print, just other know it alls think they
> are better than others but clearly they arn't if they think a quarter
> mile is the be all of a comparo.

I was wondering if I could have the English version of that? :)

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Noddy.

[a9x5l]

> Don't need too, its there in print, just other know it alls think they are
> better than others but clearly they arn't if they think a quarter mile is
> the be all of a comparo.

Don't know what you're on about with "know it alls think they are
better than others". The times are for a lap of a *circuit*, not
drag-strip. I just wonder, IF Ford/FPV ever builds a genuinely fast car -
thats quicker than a Holden/HSV, whether you'll be so coy about the
performance then?

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[TheTaipan]

To set the record straight AU XR6HP was a brilliant track car even when it
had ballast to attempt to slow it down it was still embarrassing much
"faster" vehicles in the hands of Darryl Coon.

What Kieron is trying to say - at least what I am reading, is that the BA is
a brilliant road car - as a track car it is pretty average - even Marcos
Ambrose says that in his book.

The sheer weight of the road going versions don't lend themselves to low
track-times, but the handling and balance of the vehicle mean that it is
predictable and easy to maintain consistant times. The commodore is more
difficult to enjoy, but can give a good driver a better lap time. On the
road, unpredictability and vague steering are not enjoyable - two areas
where the vehicles in the blue corner excel despite having a softer ride.

SL


"a9x5l" <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Don't need too, its there in print, just other know it alls think they
>> are
>> better than others but clearly they arn't if they think a quarter mile is
>> the be all of a comparo.
>
> Don't know what you're on about with "know it alls think they are
> better than others". The times are for a lap of a *circuit*, not
> drag-strip. I just wonder, IF Ford/FPV ever builds a genuinely fast car -
> thats quicker than a Holden/HSV, whether you'll be so coy about the
> performance then?
>
> --
> a9x5l
>

[a9x5l]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:46:48 +1000, TheTaipan wrote:

> To set the record straight AU XR6HP was a brilliant track car even when it
> had ballast to attempt to slow it down it was still embarrassing much
> "faster" vehicles in the hands of Darryl Coon.
>
> What Kieron is trying to say - at least what I am reading, is that the BA
> is a brilliant road car - as a track car it is pretty average - even
> Marcos Ambrose says that in his book.

Mark Scaife would say that the commodores are brilliant too!

>
> The sheer weight of the road going versions don't lend themselves to low
> track-times, but the handling and balance of the vehicle mean that it is
> predictable and easy to maintain consistant times. The commodore is more
> difficult to enjoy, but can give a good driver a better lap time. On the
> road, unpredictability and vague steering are not enjoyable - two areas
> where the vehicles in the blue corner excel despite having a softer ride.

I'm not saying that the ford isn't a great car to drive, just that when
people look at buying either(XR6T/SS) they'd have an eye on the
performance figures, something Kieron claims isn't important. If I were
looking for a performance oriented car, I'd take the quicker one every
time, If it were only comfort and smooth handling I was after then things
might be different - the XR's would be a good choice.

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[Noddy]

"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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> What Kieron is trying to say - at least what I am reading, is that the BA
> is a brilliant road car - as a track car it is pretty average - even
> Marcos Ambrose says that in his book.

A brilliant road car? You gotta be kidding, don't you?

An MR2 is a brilliant road car. An MX-5 is also a brilliant road car. A
Porsche Boxter, a BMW Z3, an RX-8 and many others are brilliant road cars.

The BA Falcon is a good family sedan, but there's *certainly* nothing
"brilliant" about it.

> The sheer weight of the road going versions don't lend themselves to low
> track-times, but the handling and balance of the vehicle mean that it is
> predictable and easy to maintain consistant times. The commodore is more
> difficult to enjoy, but can give a good driver a better lap time. On the
> road, unpredictability and vague steering are not enjoyable - two areas
> where the vehicles in the blue corner excel despite having a softer ride.

Interesting.

I've driven both offerings enough times to get a fair idea of what they're
like, and am convinced that anyone who honestly believes that the Falcon has
any significant advantage over the Commodore in these areas is looking at
the car through blue tinted glasses.

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Noddy.

[TheTaipan]

"a9x5l" <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not saying that the ford isn't a great car to drive, just that when
> people look at buying either(XR6T/SS) they'd have an eye on the
> performance figures, something Kieron claims isn't important. If I were
> looking for a performance oriented car, I'd take the quicker one every
> time, If it were only comfort and smooth handling I was after then things
> might be different - the XR's would be a good choice.
>
> --
> a9x5l
>
I'm not so sure that it is the only factor - particularly in the
Commodore/Falcon market, as the reason for not buying something smaller and
quicker still is usually due to comfort and versatility. Otherwise how did
Toyota ever sell one sportivo or mitsubishi a VRX???

[Kieron]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:17:01 +1100, a9x5l <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Don't need too, its there in print, just other know it alls think they are
>> better than others but clearly they arn't if they think a quarter mile is
>> the be all of a comparo.
>
>Don't know what you're on about with "know it alls think they are
>better than others". The times are for a lap of a *circuit*, not
>drag-strip. I just wonder, IF Ford/FPV ever builds a genuinely fast car -
>thats quicker than a Holden/HSV, whether you'll be so coy about the
>performance then?

Check the Typhoon figures.

[Kieron]

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:57:44 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4194648c.73058390@203.50.2.233...
>
>> Don't need too, its there in print, just other know it alls think they
>> are better than others but clearly they arn't if they think a quarter
>> mile is the be all of a comparo.
>
>I was wondering if I could have the English version of that? :)

Sure, didn't realise you didn't go to school.

I don't have to prove or invent anything, its written in numerous
tests over the years by people who test cars for a living. Other,
knockledraggers think 1/4's are the be all and end all of a comparo
but they know shit.

[Kieron]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:46:48 +1000, "TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote:

>To set the record straight AU XR6HP was a brilliant track car even when it
>had ballast to attempt to slow it down it was still embarrassing much
>"faster" vehicles in the hands of Darryl Coon.
>
>What Kieron is trying to say - at least what I am reading, is that the BA is
>a brilliant road car - as a track car it is pretty average - even Marcos
>Ambrose says that in his book.
>
>The sheer weight of the road going versions don't lend themselves to low
>track-times, but the handling and balance of the vehicle mean that it is
>predictable and easy to maintain consistant times. The commodore is more
>difficult to enjoy, but can give a good driver a better lap time. On the
>road, unpredictability and vague steering are not enjoyable - two areas
>where the vehicles in the blue corner excel despite having a softer ride.

thanks Simon, you are correct in what I was saying :)

[Kieron]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:43:39 +1100, a9x5l <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote:


>I'm not saying that the ford isn't a great car to drive, just that when
>people look at buying either(XR6T/SS) they'd have an eye on the
>performance figures, something Kieron claims isn't important. If I were
>looking for a performance oriented car, I'd take the quicker one every
>time, If it were only comfort and smooth handling I was after then things
>might be different - the XR's would be a good choice.

No, what I am saying is straight line1/4 are not the be all and end
all of a comparo. It is important in a perfomrance car, but so is
braking, handling and the way it all works together. Thats exactly
what the magazine comparos do, and deliver a winner.

[a9x5l]

> Check the Typhoon figures.

Typhoon's not bad but it's not even in the same league as the new
Clubsport R8, is it?

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a9x5l

[a9x5l]

> No, what I am saying is straight line1/4 are not the be all and end all of
> a comparo. It is important in a perfomrance car, but so is braking,
> handling and the way it all works together. Thats exactly what the
> magazine comparos do, and deliver a winner.

Once again, I was NOT using 1/4 mile ET's for comparison. I read Motor but
their blue oval bias borders on the ridiculous sometimes.

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a9x5l

[a9x5l]

Just finished reading about FPV's new lineup in Australian Muscle Car
magazine, writer - Joe KenWright, probably best sums up what I was trying
to say about this Holden vs Ford driving experience:

Referring to the GT:

"The new six-speed makes a huge difference in shift quality and
driveability. Where the previous first gear would have you bouncing off
the rev limiter as soon as you popped the clutch, the new gearbox allows
first, second and third to flow seamlessly in a single rush of power. The
hole between second and third is gone. It should be worth a couple of
tenths in the 0-100km/h and the standing 400 m.

These changes bring the FPV GT closer to big BMW and Mercedes-Benz saloons
but further away from the mongrel Australian muscle car tradition. Its
intelligent engineering, substance, all round ability and refinement live
up to the promise of FPV's new "Performance Inc" punch line and it's
almost beyond reproach at the price. Yet throughout the drive, I could not
stop thinking about how I would rather be driving the VZ Monaro CV8. The
FPV GT presents as the Aussie muscle car equivalent of Natasha
Stott-Despoja when you would rather be hanging out with Kate Fischer."



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a9x5l