Re: Yeah DOHC are better...

[Christopher M. J]

The VT's and VX's i've driven around are harsh and rough. Engines have
this unsettling metallic noise when started, and when revved just
don't sound very well.

But YES! they are gutsy engines, no doubts there, but compared to
magnas and co, they are no where near as refined.


D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:<418EF47C.919A1653@iprimus.com.au>...
> OMERTA wrote:
> >
> > Yeah right
> >
> > http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2337/article.html
> >
> > Long live 3800II [PushRods and all]
> >
>
> No thanks, IMO the new engine is much less harsh especially at higher
> rpm.
> The one I drove was an auto in a Statesman and I disgree with their
> comment about the way it revs, it revved very freely and got up into the
> red very quickly.
> You do need a lot of revs if you want performance but I found it fine
> for normal driving.
> I just didn't like the noise that the trans made at low revs.
>
>
> Daryl

[Noddy]

"Christopher M. J" <cmwmjt@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:80723ff4.0411092241.12210681@posting.google.c om...
> The VT's and VX's i've driven around are harsh and rough. Engines have
> this unsettling metallic noise when started, and when revved just
> don't sound very well.
>
> But YES! they are gutsy engines, no doubts there, but compared to
> magnas and co, they are no where near as refined.

Neither is the Falcon 6, which you conveniently forgot to mention.

....You ****ing troll :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Christopher M. J]

The I6 isn't perfect, but still are more refined than the 3800.

Look honestly, the 3800's are alright, they've got power, they're old,
tried and true. But they're a harsh and unrefined motor, and they last
for a while. aside from that.

Only major issues i've heard with them is the timing chains tend to
stretch, and the Series 1 VN motors had an issue with the rear main
seal

Obviously the new V6 alloytec, isn't all that its cracked up to be.

I pay more attention to autospeeds reviews than anyone elses, find
them probably the least biased of any.



"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message news:<4191cf1d$1@news.comindico.com.au>...
> "Christopher M. J" <cmwmjt@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:80723ff4.0411092241.12210681@posting.google.c om...
> > The VT's and VX's i've driven around are harsh and rough. Engines have
> > this unsettling metallic noise when started, and when revved just
> > don't sound very well.
> >
> > But YES! they are gutsy engines, no doubts there, but compared to
> > magnas and co, they are no where near as refined.
>
> Neither is the Falcon 6, which you conveniently forgot to mention.
>
> ...You ****ing troll :)

[Noddy]

"Christopher M. J" <cmwmjt@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:80723ff4.0411102027.3e7572b6@posting.google.c om...
> The I6 isn't perfect, but still are more refined than the 3800.
>
> Look honestly, the 3800's are alright, they've got power, they're old,
> tried and true. But they're a harsh and unrefined motor, and they last
> for a while. aside from that.

Driven a VX or VY have you?

They're only "harsh" if you're trying to cane the crap out of them, and
operate them at an RPM that doesn't do anything other than make noise.

> Only major issues i've heard with them is the timing chains tend to
> stretch, and the Series 1 VN motors had an issue with the rear main
> seal

The timing chains don't stretch any more than any other cam in block engine
that runs such a system, and their rear main seal woes are no better or
worse than anything else.

If you wish to see timing chain stretch at it's finest, look at a Magna or
Falcon engine :)

> Obviously the new V6 alloytec, isn't all that its cracked up to be.

Really? How do you know?

> I pay more attention to autospeeds reviews than anyone elses, find
> them probably the least biased of any.

Oh...

Pffftt :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Christopher M. J]

YEs i've driven a VX, and thought it was very harsh.

In regards to the timing chain issue, i've seen, heard and read
otherwise, with the older motors that was the issue. The rear main
seal was a problem with the series 1 VN's.

As for the alloytec, Awesome automotive comments is enough. Leon there
has been working on 3800 motors for a while, i'm sure he knows more
about the matter than either you or I.

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message news:<41930884@news.comindico.com.au>...
> "Christopher M. J" <cmwmjt@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:80723ff4.0411102027.3e7572b6@posting.google.c om...
> > The I6 isn't perfect, but still are more refined than the 3800.
> >
> > Look honestly, the 3800's are alright, they've got power, they're old,
> > tried and true. But they're a harsh and unrefined motor, and they last
> > for a while. aside from that.
>
> Driven a VX or VY have you?
>
> They're only "harsh" if you're trying to cane the crap out of them, and
> operate them at an RPM that doesn't do anything other than make noise.
>
> > Only major issues i've heard with them is the timing chains tend to
> > stretch, and the Series 1 VN motors had an issue with the rear main
> > seal
>
> The timing chains don't stretch any more than any other cam in block engine
> that runs such a system, and their rear main seal woes are no better or
> worse than anything else.
>
> If you wish to see timing chain stretch at it's finest, look at a Magna or
> Falcon engine :)
>
> > Obviously the new V6 alloytec, isn't all that its cracked up to be.
>
> Really? How do you know?
>
> > I pay more attention to autospeeds reviews than anyone elses, find
> > them probably the least biased of any.
>
> Oh...
>
> Pffftt :)

[Noddy]

"Christopher M. J" <cmwmjt@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:80723ff4.0411111619.3303a5b@posting.google.co m...

> YEs i've driven a VX, and thought it was very harsh.

Compared to a BMW V12, you're probably right.....

> In regards to the timing chain issue, i've seen, heard and read
> otherwise, with the older motors that was the issue. The rear main
> seal was a problem with the series 1 VN's.

As it was with Ford, Toyota, Mazda, Nissan and just about every other type
of cheap, mass produced engines.

I've had two brand new Ford Falcons, and both had leaking rear mains and
converter seals before they'd hit 5000km.

> As for the alloytec, Awesome automotive comments is enough. Leon there
> has been working on 3800 motors for a while, i'm sure he knows more
> about the matter than either you or I.

He might know more than you... :)

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Regards,
Noddy.