Re: Nationwide daylight saving

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

"Hoohtee the night owl" wrote:

> "Hunter1" wrote:
>
> > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
> >
> > > As I said, proving that NSW subsidises other states is like proving water
> > > is wet.
> >
> > No it's not, because you have not managed to do so.
>
> I'm sorry that you're oblivious to common knowledge over in WA but that's
> not my problem.

So when someone disagrees with you, you just claim they are being
irrelevant. And when someone challenges you to back up your opinions
with evidence you just claim it is "common knowledge" that "everyone
knows".

Brilliant.

Perhaps you've been out in the sun too long? I blame daylight saving.

[Hoohtee the night owl]

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Hoohtee the night owl" wrote:
>
>> "Hunter1" wrote:
>>
>> > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>> >
>> > > As I said, proving that NSW subsidises other states is like proving
>> > > water
>> > > is wet.
>> >
>> > No it's not, because you have not managed to do so.
>>
>> I'm sorry that you're oblivious to common knowledge over in WA but that's
>> not my problem.
>
> So when someone disagrees with you, you just claim they are being
> irrelevant.

I didn't say that. I said he was oblivious to common, well documented
knowledge.

> And when someone challenges you to back up your opinions
> with evidence you just claim it is "common knowledge" that "everyone
> knows".
>
As I said, proving that the bigger states subsidise smaller states is like
proving water is wet. Do I need to prove that water is wet?

I would also remind you that I backed up my stements with verifiable fact.
Hunter1 has provided only his statements.

> Brilliant.
>
> Perhaps you've been out in the sun too long? I blame daylight saving.

Perhaps you've been in the dark too long. mAybe you need daylight savings.

[Hoohtee the night owl]

"Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
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> Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>
>> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:a9f17fcb.0411100101.6c44b4f7@posting.google.c om...
>>>
>>>So when someone disagrees with you, you just claim they are being
>>>irrelevant.
>>
>> I didn't say that. I said he was oblivious to common, well documented
>> knowledge.
>
>
> Because the "knowledge" you presented said nothing remotely like your
> states support the physically larger states. All it said was that you pay
> more GST than you get back, a very childish and simplified attempt to
> fraudulantly claim that you guys support the West and North. I decimated
> that argument by demonstrating what a spit in the ocean your GST loss
> actually is compared to the monolithic amount of money WA's resource
> industry alone provides to the country, and by also proving that WA alone
> (without even checking on the NT) provides over 50% of ALL Australian
> resources.
>

You didn't demonstrate ANYTHING. You've just made some wild statements so
far. I'm still waiting for you to produce some facts. I've provided facts.
You've provided none so far.

> This was a bit too much for you to take in so you crawled under a rock.
>
So where have you been for the past four days. You WERE going to provide me
with something to back up what you said days ago. I'm still waiting.

[Hunter1]

Hoohtee the night owl wrote:

> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:a9f17fcb.0411100101.6c44b4f7@posting.google.c om...
>>
>>So when someone disagrees with you, you just claim they are being
>>irrelevant.
>
> I didn't say that. I said he was oblivious to common, well documented
> knowledge.


Because the "knowledge" you presented said nothing remotely
like your states support the physically larger states. All
it said was that you pay more GST than you get back, a very
childish and simplified attempt to fraudulantly claim that
you guys support the West and North. I decimated that
argument by demonstrating what a spit in the ocean your GST
loss actually is compared to the monolithic amount of money
WA's resource industry alone provides to the country, and by
also proving that WA alone (without even checking on the NT)
provides over 50% of ALL Australian resources.

This was a bit too much for you to take in so you crawled
under a rock.


>>And when someone challenges you to back up your opinions
>>with evidence you just claim it is "common knowledge" that "everyone
>>knows".
>
> As I said, proving that the bigger states subsidise smaller states is like
> proving water is wet. Do I need to prove that water is wet?


And like everyone else is pointing out, that's a load of
shit. I could say that proving you're a granny basher is
like proving water is wet, do I need to prove that water is
wet? By babbling on like that I've done nothing to add any
weight to the argument that you're a granny basher, so it
astounds me that you think you can win a failing argument
purely by throwing in that bit of rhetoric.


> I would also remind you that I backed up my stements with verifiable fact.
> Hunter1 has provided only his statements.


No, as I point out above and in another post in this thread
made 5 or 10 mins ago, you just seem to be ignoring the
posts (4 of them now) where I've pointed out exactly how
much WA's resource industry is worth to Australia, and the
fact that all of your whinging turns into a spit in the
ocean in comparison.

[Hunter1]

Hoohtee the night owl wrote:

> "Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4193e20a$1@funnel.arach.net.au...
>>
>>Because the "knowledge" you presented said nothing remotely like your
>>states support the physically larger states. All it said was that you pay
>>more GST than you get back, a very childish and simplified attempt to
>>fraudulantly claim that you guys support the West and North. I decimated
>>that argument by demonstrating what a spit in the ocean your GST loss
>>actually is compared to the monolithic amount of money WA's resource
>>industry alone provides to the country, and by also proving that WA alone
>>(without even checking on the NT) provides over 50% of ALL Australian
>>resources.
>
> You didn't demonstrate ANYTHING. You've just made some wild statements so
> far. I'm still waiting for you to produce some facts. I've provided facts.
> You've provided none so far.


Uhuh... Read my other post before you keep weeping over your
wet water (or whatever that bullshit excuse was for not
having to prove your garbage).... Grow up in short. 8]


>>This was a bit too much for you to take in so you crawled under a rock.
>
> So where have you been for the past four days. You WERE going to provide me
> with something to back up what you said days ago. I'm still waiting.


And I did, since then I've been working to pay your bills
for you. Stop complaining you ungrateful arsehole! 8]

[Hoohtee the night owl]

"Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
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> Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>
>> "Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:4193e20a$1@funnel.arach.net.au...
>>>
>>>Because the "knowledge" you presented said nothing remotely like your
>>>states support the physically larger states. All it said was that you pay
>>>more GST than you get back, a very childish and simplified attempt to
>>>fraudulantly claim that you guys support the West and North. I decimated
>>>that argument by demonstrating what a spit in the ocean your GST loss
>>>actually is compared to the monolithic amount of money WA's resource
>>>industry alone provides to the country, and by also proving that WA alone
>>>(without even checking on the NT) provides over 50% of ALL Australian
>>>resources.
>>
>> You didn't demonstrate ANYTHING. You've just made some wild statements so
>> far. I'm still waiting for you to produce some facts. I've provided
>> facts. You've provided none so far.
>
>
> Uhuh... Read my other post

I did. All you've provided is claims. You have provided no credible source
for them.


before you keep weeping over your
> wet water (or whatever that bullshit excuse was for not having to prove
> your garbage).... Grow up in short. 8]
>
>
>>>This was a bit too much for you to take in so you crawled under a rock.
>>
>> So where have you been for the past four days. You WERE going to provide
>> me with something to back up what you said days ago. I'm still waiting.
>
>
> And I did, since then I've been working to pay your bills for you. Stop
> complaining you ungrateful arsehole! 8]
>
You're delusional.

[Hunter1]

Hoohtee the night owl wrote:

> I did. All you've provided is claims. You have provided no credible source
> for them.


As you seem incapable of looking things up for yourself I
provided the source. Happy now? 8]

(pssst, you could have cut and paste a single line from what
I quoted into google to find it. Live and learn huh?)


> You're delusional.


Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
winner in all this after all! 8]

[regn.pickford]

"Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
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> Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>
> > I did. All you've provided is claims. You have provided no credible
source
> > for them.
>
>
> As you seem incapable of looking things up for yourself I
> provided the source. Happy now? 8]
>
> (pssst, you could have cut and paste a single line from what
> I quoted into google to find it. Live and learn huh?)
>
>
> > You're delusional.
>
>
> Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
> spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
> winner in all this after all! 8]

Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

"regn.pickford" wrote:

> "Hunter1" wrote:
>
> > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
> >
> > > You're delusional.
> >
> > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
> > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
> > winner in all this after all! 8]
>
> Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
> and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.

No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
country's *export* income. Our resources are sold to markets
*overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods. This spending
*consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
whinging about.

The irrationality of Hoohtee, Carr, et. al. is in trying to claim that
*consumption* and *production* are the same thing. They are opposites.
Rather than it being, as she claims, as obvious as the proposition
that "water is wet", Hoohtee's argument is more akin to "water is
dry".

[regn.pickford]

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:a9f17fcb.0411130100.5f9b805c@posting.google.c om...
> "regn.pickford" wrote:
>
> > "Hunter1" wrote:
> >
> > > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
> > >
> > > > You're delusional.
> > >
> > > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
> > > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
> > > winner in all this after all! 8]
> >
> > Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
> > and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.
>
> No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
> country's *export* income. Our resources are sold to markets
> *overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
> and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
> is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods. This spending
> *consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
> the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
> whinging about.
>

Bob (the ferret) Carr (Dead man walking) Labor premier for NSW.

Who owns the companies?
http://www.asx.com.au/shareholder/pdf/SOS2003presentation.pdf

in 2003
43% New South Welshmen owned shares directly
40% Westralians owned shares directly.

http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/

New South Wales 6,716,277
Victoria 4,947,985
Queensland 3,840,111

total 15 504 373

40% 6 201 749.2

South Australia 1,531,375
Western Australia 1,969,046

total 3 500 421

40 % 1 400 168.4

Nationalising the mineral wealth of WA could see WA take on something bigger
than even
WA could handle.

as Sir Humphrey Appleby KCB, MVO, MA , would say
"That is a couragious decision Prime Minister ..."


I think you'll find the royalties are paid to the
relevant State government.

http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v7n3/calzada73.html
[quote stt]
The Mining Act 1978 (WA) states under S.9.(1)(a) that "all gold, silver and
any]
other precious metal existing in its natural condition on or below the
surface
of any land in the State ... is the property of the Crown
[quote fin]

WA would need to buy out the shareholders of the companies it would look to
Nationalise if it wanted to avoid being a financial pariah.
I have some Bell resources and Bond corp shares going cheap.


> The irrationality of Hoohtee, Carr, et. al. is in trying to claim that
> *consumption* and *production* are the same thing. They are opposites.
> Rather than it being, as she claims, as obvious as the proposition
> that "water is wet", Hoohtee's argument is more akin to "water is
> dry".

Supply and demand.

oversupply the product gets cheap
short supply the product gets more expensive.

You want `just in time ' products to get the best sustainable price or

"supply = demand"

Is that what they are talking about?

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

"regn.pickford" wrote:

> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:
>
> > "regn.pickford" wrote:
> >
> > > "Hunter1" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You're delusional.
> > > >
> > > > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
> > > > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
> > > > winner in all this after all! 8]
> > >
> > > Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
> > > and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.
> >
> > No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
> > country's *export* income. Our resources are sold to markets
> > *overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
> > and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
> > is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods. This spending
> > *consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
> > the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
> > whinging about.
>
> Bob (the ferret) Carr (Dead man walking) Labor premier for NSW.

Thanks. Jeff Carr is the former Victorian premier?


> Who owns the companies?
> http://www.asx.com.au/shareholder/pdf/SOS2003presentation.pdf
>
> in 2003 43% New South Welshmen owned shares directly

How many did they own?

> 40% Westralians owned shares directly.

How many did they own?

[Big snip of the population red-herring rearing its ugly head
again...]


> I think you'll find the royalties are paid to the relevant State government.

Irrelevant. Why do you Eastern staters keep trying to equate
government tax revenue with economic production? That is the same
nonsense "Hoohtee" has been sprouting. And no, our state government is
not short of money, like yours. That is why we aren't trying to
scrounge $130000000 from you to fix our rivers. That is why we
backward hicks in WA do not "enjoy" the "benefits" of toll roads.


> > The irrationality of Hoohtee, Carr, et. al. is in trying to claim that
> > *consumption* and *production* are the same thing. They are opposites.
> > Rather than it being, as she claims, as obvious as the proposition
> > that "water is wet", Hoohtee's argument is more akin to "water is
> > dry".
>
> Supply and demand.

[More red-herrings snipped...]

No, production and consumption are *not* synonymous with "supply and
demand". Let me repeat, since you seem to have missed it the first
time, YOU ARE NOT OUR MARKET. WA exports, NSW imports.

[H00htee the n1ght 0wl]

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:a9f17fcb.0411130100.5f9b805c@posting.google.c om...
> "regn.pickford" wrote:
>
>> "Hunter1" wrote:
>>
>> > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>> >
>> > > You're delusional.
>> >
>> > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
>> > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
>> > winner in all this after all! 8]
>>
>> Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
>> and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.
>
> No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
> country's *export* income.

Some of, certainly not all.

> Our resources are sold to markets
> *overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
> and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
> is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods.

Yes, we all live on government handouts over here. That's how we get our
money. Nobody works for privately owned businesses.

Please explain how federal money transferred to NSW gets into the hands of
the consumers. That's a slight hiccup in your theory.

> This spending
> *consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
> the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
> whinging about.
>
> The irrationality of Hoohtee, Carr, et. al. is in trying to claim that
> *consumption* and *production* are the same thing. They are opposites.
> Rather than it being, as she claims, as obvious as the proposition
> that "water is wet", Hoohtee's argument is more akin to "water is
> dry".

[H00htee the n1ght 0wl]

"regn.pickford" <doregn.pickford@beegpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:a9f17fcb.0411130100.5f9b805c@posting.google.c om...
>> "regn.pickford" wrote:
>>
>> > "Hunter1" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > You're delusional.
>> > >
>> > > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
>> > > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
>> > > winner in all this after all! 8]
>> >
>> > Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
>> > and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.
>>
>> No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
>> country's *export* income. Our resources are sold to markets
>> *overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
>> and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
>> is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods. This spending
>> *consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
>> the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
>> whinging about.
>>
>
> Bob (the ferret) Carr (Dead man walking) Labor premier for NSW.
>
Must be a WA thing.

> Who owns the companies?
> http://www.asx.com.au/shareholder/pdf/SOS2003presentation.pdf
>
> in 2003
> 43% New South Welshmen owned shares directly
> 40% Westralians owned shares directly.
>
> http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/
>
> New South Wales 6,716,277
> Victoria 4,947,985
> Queensland 3,840,111
>
> total 15 504 373
>
> 40% 6 201 749.2

These figures are incorrect. The ASX document refers to adults aged 18 years
and over. The figures used above include people under 18 years and do not
take into account the actual percentages listed. The actual figure
(43%NSW+38%VIC+36%QLD) works out around 4 million. Add in ACT and TAS and
the figure climbs to around 4,223,629

>
> South Australia 1,531,375
> Western Australia 1,969,046
>
> total 3 500 421
>
> 40 % 1 400 168.4
>
As per above the actual figure is around 894,000. Factor in NT and the
figure is 938,842

The population figures I used came from www.aec.gov.au

[H00htee the n1ght 0wl]

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:a9f17fcb.0411140246.4d24ef7f@posting.google.c om...
> "regn.pickford" wrote:
>
>> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:
>>
>> > "regn.pickford" wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Hunter1" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > You're delusional.
>> > > >
>> > > > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
>> > > > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
>> > > > winner in all this after all! 8]
>> > >
>> > > Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
>> > > and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.
>> >
>> > No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
>> > country's *export* income. Our resources are sold to markets
>> > *overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
>> > and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
>> > is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods. This spending
>> > *consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
>> > the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
>> > whinging about.
>>
>> Bob (the ferret) Carr (Dead man walking) Labor premier for NSW.
>
> Thanks. Jeff Carr is the former Victorian premier?
>
>
>> Who owns the companies?
>> http://www.asx.com.au/shareholder/pdf/SOS2003presentation.pdf
>>
>> in 2003 43% New South Welshmen owned shares directly
>
> How many did they own?
>
>> 40% Westralians owned shares directly.
>
> How many did they own?
>
Actually, of more relevance is the value of the shares held rather than
quantity.

> [Big snip of the population red-herring rearing its ugly head
> again...]
>
>
>> I think you'll find the royalties are paid to the relevant State
>> government.
>
> Irrelevant. Why do you Eastern staters keep trying to equate
> government tax revenue with economic production? That is the same
> nonsense "Hoohtee" has been sprouting.

I dind't sprout ANYTHING of the sort. I used the GST as but one example of
how the Eastern states support the bludgers in the West.

> And no, our state government is
> not short of money, like yours. That is why we aren't trying to
> scrounge $130000000 from you to fix our rivers. That is why we
> backward hicks in WA do not "enjoy" the "benefits" of toll roads.
>
They only put tolls on tarred roads.
>
>> > The irrationality of Hoohtee, Carr, et. al. is in trying to claim that
>> > *consumption* and *production* are the same thing. They are opposites.
>> > Rather than it being, as she claims, as obvious as the proposition
>> > that "water is wet", Hoohtee's argument is more akin to "water is
>> > dry".
>>
>> Supply and demand.
>
> [More red-herrings snipped...]
>
> No, production and consumption are *not* synonymous with "supply and
> demand". Let me repeat, since you seem to have missed it the first
> time, YOU ARE NOT OUR MARKET. WA exports, NSW imports.

WA exports AND imports, NSW imports AND exports.

[Lady Chatterly]

In article <a9f17fcb.0411140246.4d24ef7f@posting.google.com> wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au (Wolfgang Wildeblood) wrote:
>
>"regn.pickford" wrote:
>
>> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:
>>
>> > "regn.pickford" wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Hunter1" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > You're delusional.
>> > > >
>> > > > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
>> > > > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
>> > > > winner in all this after all! 8]
>> > >
>> > > Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
>> > > and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.
>> >
>> > No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
>> > country's *export* income. Our resources are sold to markets
>> > *overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
>> > and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
>> > is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods. This spending
>> > *consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
>> > the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
>> > whinging about.
>>
>> Bob (the ferret) Carr (Dead man walking) Labor premier for NSW.
>
>Thanks. Jeff Carr is the former Victorian premier?

Will have a look?

>> Who owns the companies?
>> http://www.asx.com.au/shareholder/pdf/SOS2003presentation.pdf
>>
>> in 2003 43% New South Welshmen owned shares directly
>
>How many did they own?

How?

>> 40% Westralians owned shares directly.
>
>How many did they own?

Live with wolves, and you learn to howl.

>[Big snip of the population red-herring rearing its ugly head
>again...]

Punctuality is the virtue of the bored.

>> I think you'll find the royalties are paid to the relevant State government.
>
>Irrelevant. Why do you Eastern staters keep trying to equate
>government tax revenue with economic production? That is the same
>nonsense "Hoohtee" has been sprouting. And no, our state government is
>not short of money, like yours. That is why we aren't trying to
>scrounge $130000000 from you to fix our rivers. That is why we
>backward hicks in WA do not "enjoy" the "benefits" of toll roads.
>
>> > The irrationality of Hoohtee, Carr, et. al. is in trying to claim that
>> > *consumption* and *production* are the same thing. They are opposites.
>> > Rather than it being, as she claims, as obvious as the proposition
>> > that "water is wet", Hoohtee's argument is more akin to "water is
>> > dry".
>>
>> Supply and demand.
>
>[More red-herrings snipped...]

A committee is a creature with three or more legs and no brain.

>No, production and consumption are *not* synonymous with "supply and
>demand". Let me repeat, since you seem to have missed it the first
>time, YOU ARE NOT OUR MARKET. WA exports, NSW imports.

parfois vous merveille juste s'ils ne sont pas notre march?Votre point
est ?

--
Lady Chatterly

"Even Lady Chatterly hace soundly refuted Fartmo! Hahaha!" -- Kali

[regn.pickford]

"H00htee the n1ght 0wl" <6796496345y342gjhsdf879awfeonfksdhfki@usck.co.uk>
wrote in message news:ABHld.36136$K7.35639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "regn.pickford" <doregn.pickford@beegpond.com> wrote in message
> news:a7vld.35187$K7.21528@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:a9f17fcb.0411130100.5f9b805c@posting.google.c om...
> >> "regn.pickford" wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Hunter1" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > You're delusional.
> >> > >
> >> > > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
> >> > > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
> >> > > winner in all this after all! 8]
> >> >
> >> > Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
> >> > and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.
> >>
> >> No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
> >> country's *export* income. Our resources are sold to markets
> >> *overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
> >> and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
> >> is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods. This spending
> >> *consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
> >> the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
> >> whinging about.
> >>
> >
> > Bob (the ferret) Carr (Dead man walking) Labor premier for NSW.
> >
> Must be a WA thing.
>
> > Who owns the companies?
> > http://www.asx.com.au/shareholder/pdf/SOS2003presentation.pdf
> >
> > in 2003
> > 43% New South Welshmen owned shares directly
> > 40% Westralians owned shares directly.
> >
> > http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/
> >
> > New South Wales 6,716,277
> > Victoria 4,947,985
> > Queensland 3,840,111
> >
> > total 15 504 373
> >
> > 40% 6 201 749.2
>
> These figures are incorrect. The ASX document refers to adults aged 18
years
> and over. The figures used above include people under 18 years and do not
> take into account the actual percentages listed. The actual figure
> (43%NSW+38%VIC+36%QLD) works out around 4 million. Add in ACT and TAS and
> the figure climbs to around 4,223,629
>
4223629/ 6201749 = 0.681

938842 /1400168 = 0.6705

the ratio of eligable voters to total population (of states) is similiar


> >
> > South Australia 1,531,375
> > Western Australia 1,969,046
> >
> > total 3 500 421
> >
> > 40 % 1 400 168.4
> >
> As per above the actual figure is around 894,000. Factor in NT and the
> figure is 938,842
>
> The population figures I used came from www.aec.gov.au
>
>

I had worked out the ratio of people in Eastralia who owned shares (totals)
to people who own shares in Westralia is 4-5 to 1 (between 4 and 5 to 1)

4223629/ 938842 = 4.49876

It is plain this ratio would only increase if ACT , Tassie and NT were
added to the mix.

Your figures are just as valid as the ones I used to work out the ratios.

[regn.pickford]

"Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:a9f17fcb.0411140246.4d24ef7f@posting.google.c om...
> "regn.pickford" wrote:
>
> > "Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:
> >
> > > "regn.pickford" wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Hunter1" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You're delusional.
> > > > >
> > > > > Uhuh... Meanwhile, back in the real world, you're still
> > > > > spending my hard-earned money... Shit, spose you're the
> > > > > winner in all this after all! 8]
> > > >
> > > > Think of it as `investing in the future' by enriching your markets
> > > > and allowing them the ability to pay more for your product.
> > >
> > > No, the Eastern states aren't our markets at all. WA provides this
> > > country's *export* income. Our resources are sold to markets
> > > *overseas*. The revenue from this process is then taxed by Canberra
> > > and transferred to the Eastern states by government transfers. Then it
> > > is spent by consumers in the East on imported goods. This spending
> > > *consumption* is what is taxed by the "broad based consumption tax" -
> > > the GST. The GST that Jeff Carr (is that his name?) is so often heard
> > > whinging about.
> >
> > Bob (the ferret) Carr (Dead man walking) Labor premier for NSW.
>
> Thanks. Jeff Carr is the former Victorian premier?
>

Jeff Kennet, ex Liberal premier Victoria. Big on privatisation.


Bob Carr wants to keep the GST and handover the hospitals to the Feds.

>
> > Who owns the companies?
> > http://www.asx.com.au/shareholder/pdf/SOS2003presentation.pdf
> >
> > in 2003 43% New South Welshmen owned shares directly
>
> How many did they own?
>

Ignoring the larger individuals personal wealth in Eastralia and assuming
that
all other things being equal, you are looking at 4 - 5 to 1 investment
ratio value.


> > 40% Westralians owned shares directly.
>
> How many did they own?
>

Who knows ...
http://www.business.nsw.gov.au/factsReports.asp?cid=20&subCid=35

GSD /state ($mil)
New South Wales 265,966 35.3 %of Australian GDP
Victoria 192,407 25.5 %of Australian GDP
Queensland 126,582 16.8 %of Australian GDP

583,000 77.6 %of Australian GDP

South Australia 48,897 6.5 %of Australian GDP
Western Australia 82,405 10.9 %of Australian GDP

131,100 18.4 %of Australian GDP


The big money for investment is in the Eastern states.



> [Big snip of the population red-herring rearing its ugly head
> again...]
>

God forbid pointing out more people means more money for
investment.

>
> > I think you'll find the royalties are paid to the relevant State
government.
>
> Irrelevant. Why do you Eastern staters keep trying to equate
> government tax revenue with economic production? That is the same
> nonsense "Hoohtee" has been sprouting. And no, our state government is
> not short of money, like yours. That is why we aren't trying to
> scrounge $130000000 from you to fix our rivers. That is why we
> backward hicks in WA do not "enjoy" the "benefits" of toll roads.
>
> > > The irrationality of Hoohtee, Carr, et. al. is in trying to claim that
> > > *consumption* and *production* are the same thing. They are opposites.
> > > Rather than it being, as she claims, as obvious as the proposition
> > > that "water is wet", Hoohtee's argument is more akin to "water is
> > > dry".
> >
> > Supply and demand.
>
> [More red-herrings snipped...]
>
> No, production and consumption are *not* synonymous with "supply and
> demand". Let me repeat, since you seem to have missed it the first
> time, YOU ARE NOT OUR MARKET. WA exports, NSW imports.


http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/77f
b40e43c509b7cca256db80079fd2a!OpenDocument
[quotes stt]
Since 1989-1990, Western Australia has been Australia's major exporting
state,
accounting for a quarter of Australia's total exports. By contrast, the
state's merchandise
imports have averaged 8% of the value of Australia's imports over the same
period; and
~
While strong world demand for Western Australia's rich resources has
positioned the state as Australia's leading exporter, demand for
merchandise
imports is driven more by the need to sustain the state's industry and
population.
As such, Western Australia ranked fourth (after the larger eastern states)
in terms
of its contribution to the value of Australia's imports (9% in 1999-2000).
[quotes fin]

Export dollars for Coal alone is greater than total Gold and Iron ore
and is worth 85% of Total gold, Iron ore and Petroleum. BTW Westralia
isn't teh only producer of these products. You produce 70% of Australia's
total gold.

Where I live
on the shores of Lake Maquaire we have been mining coal for at least 170
years
and Westralia has been sharing that wealth since 1901.
I'm not familiar with Coal resources inWestralia ?

[H00htee the n1ght 0wl]

"regn.pickford" <doregn.pickford@beegpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "H00htee the n1ght 0wl" <6796496345y342gjhsdf879awfeonfksdhfki@usck.co.uk>
> wrote in message news:ABHld.36136$K7.35639@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "regn.pickford" <doregn.pickford@beegpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:a7vld.35187$K7.21528@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
>> > http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/
>> >
>> > New South Wales 6,716,277
>> > Victoria 4,947,985
>> > Queensland 3,840,111
>> >
>> > total 15 504 373
>> >
>> > 40% 6 201 749.2
>>
>> These figures are incorrect. The ASX document refers to adults aged 18
> years
>> and over. The figures used above include people under 18 years and do not
>> take into account the actual percentages listed. The actual figure
>> (43%NSW+38%VIC+36%QLD) works out around 4 million. Add in ACT and TAS and
>> the figure climbs to around 4,223,629
>>
> 4223629/ 6201749 = 0.681
>
Again there is an error in the above. Your calculation divides the number of
voters in QLD, NSW, ACT,VIC & TAS by the total population of QLD, NSW &
VIC. Using the correct figures to calculate the ration for QLD, NSW & VIC
only the ratio is 0.645

> 938842 /1400168 = 0.6705
>
Same error. The actual ratio for WA and SA is 0.638


> the ratio of eligable voters to total population (of states) is similiar
>
>
>> >
>> > South Australia 1,531,375
>> > Western Australia 1,969,046
>> >
>> > total 3 500 421
>> >
>> > 40 % 1 400 168.4
>> >
>> As per above the actual figure is around 894,000. Factor in NT and the
>> figure is 938,842
>>
>> The population figures I used came from www.aec.gov.au
>>
>>
>
> I had worked out the ratio of people in Eastralia who owned shares
> (totals)
> to people who own shares in Westralia is 4-5 to 1 (between 4 and 5 to 1)
>
> 4223629/ 938842 = 4.49876
>
> It is plain this ratio would only increase if ACT , Tassie and NT were
> added to the mix.
>
> Your figures are just as valid as the ones I used to work out the ratios.
>
>

[H00htee the n1ght 0wl]

"regn.pickford" <doregn.pickford@beegpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" <wolfgangwildeblood@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:a9f17fcb.0411140246.4d24ef7f@posting.google.c om...
>> How many did they own?
>>
>
> Who knows ...
> http://www.business.nsw.gov.au/factsReports.asp?cid=20&subCid=35
>
> GSD /state ($mil)
> New South Wales 265,966 35.3 %of Australian GDP
> Victoria 192,407 25.5 %of Australian GDP
> Queensland 126,582 16.8 %of Australian GDP
>
> 583,000 77.6 %of Australian GDP
>
> South Australia 48,897 6.5 %of Australian GDP
> Western Australia 82,405 10.9 %of Australian GDP
>
> 131,100 18.4 %of Australian GDP
>
>
> The big money for investment is in the Eastern states.
>
It's rather obvious, isn't it?

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

"H00htee the n1ght 0wl" wrote:

> "Wolfgang Wildeblood" wrote:
>
> > "regn.pickford" wrote:
> >
> >> I think you'll find the royalties are paid to the relevant State
> >> government.
> >
> > Irrelevant. Why do you Eastern staters keep trying to equate
> > government tax revenue with economic production? That is the same
> > nonsense "Hoohtee" has been sprouting.
>
> I dind't sprout ANYTHING of the sort. I used the GST as but one example of
> how the Eastern states support the bludgers in the West.

If "as but one example" is your way of saying, "The only example I could find."