Re: Falcon XR6 Typhoon

[Kieron]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 05:13:14 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
wrote:


>
>Incidently, what's your opinion of "Spank" Kieron? 2 tenths of a second? :)

There you go, straight into the straight line performance bollocks
again. Theres more to a car than that. XR8 won the comparo AGAIN, the
word spank was there to rev you lot up :)

>> Being the best seller does not mean its the best car, the Excel was
>> best seller for years in its range but it wasn't the best for
>> instance.
>
>What was better than the Excel for the money?

Think market segment rather than $$s. The Excel was best seller in
its segment because it was cheaper not better. Maccas is probably the
top selling fast food but it certainly ain't the best, just marketed
better.

[Noddy]

"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> There you go, straight into the straight line performance bollocks
> again. Theres more to a car than that. XR8 won the comparo AGAIN, the
> word spank was there to rev you lot up :)

Ah, right.

So, apart from the wanky "boy racer" starter button and "go faster body
stripes", the steering rack knocks, the piss poor air conditioning, the
crappy dash plastics, the rear axle noises and brake rotor vibration, it was
a better car because is was slower? :)

> Think market segment rather than $$s. The Excel was best seller in
> its segment because it was cheaper not better. Maccas is probably the
> top selling fast food but it certainly ain't the best, just marketed
> better.

I didn't say the Excel was the best in it's class, but asked what was better
than it for the *same* money?

Everything around that price at the time clearly wasn't.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Kieron]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:23:09 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4192f253.147253328@203.50.2.233...
>
>> There you go, straight into the straight line performance bollocks
>> again. Theres more to a car than that. XR8 won the comparo AGAIN, the
>> word spank was there to rev you lot up :)
>
>Ah, right.
>
>So, apart from the wanky "boy racer" starter button and "go faster body
>stripes", the steering rack knocks, the piss poor air conditioning, the
>crappy dash plastics, the rear axle noises and brake rotor vibration, it was
>a better car because is was slower? :)

Point for point i'll take you to pieces humpty :)

Starter button/stripes - subjective so completely irrelevant, I
personally don't like the starter button.

Steering knocks - this is were you fall down so badly its not funny.
Get it thru your head that these comparos DO NOT and CANNOT take into
account problems, the SS would be shot down in flame if it where the
case, failing P/S pumps oil burner donks etc

A/C - You are the only person I have ever heard say the BA A/C is piss
poor, no test has ever montioned it, I own one and known EAXACTLY how
it performs so another irrelevent point by you.

Crap dash plastics - tester have mentioned the Commodores plastic is
worse, its mostly in your mind.

rear axle/rotor - rotor problem was fixed ages ago so again
irrelevent, axle noise still exists and should not be there, so i'll
give you a point on that one in the manual trans case.



>> Think market segment rather than $$s. The Excel was best seller in
>> its segment because it was cheaper not better. Maccas is probably the
>> top selling fast food but it certainly ain't the best, just marketed
>> better.
>
>I didn't say the Excel was the best in it's class, but asked what was better
>than it for the *same* money?

Same money? back then I woul have spent the same money and got
something better with a 2nd hand Corolla.

>Everything around that price at the time clearly wasn't.

I gave you a hint with the fast food thing - MARKETING.

[Noddy]

"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Point for point i'll take you to pieces humpty :)

Pfftttt....

This'll be good for a laugh folks :)

> Starter button/stripes - subjective so completely irrelevant, I
> personally don't like the starter button.

No one does.

> Steering knocks - this is were you fall down so badly its not funny.

Oke dokey....

> Get it thru your head that these comparos DO NOT and CANNOT take into
> account problems, the SS would be shot down in flame if it where the
> case, failing P/S pumps oil burner donks etc

What, even problems on the day?

And if you want to gt niggly, the current Commodore is fucking *miles*
behind the Falcon in the problem department thanks. I mean, for fuck's sake,
Ford has *finally* started using the gearbox Holden has been for years.

I wonder if you'll bag it as much now that the BA II has it fitted? :)

> A/C - You are the only person I have ever heard say the BA A/C is piss
> poor, no test has ever montioned it, I own one and known EAXACTLY how
> it performs so another irrelevent point by you.

Why is it irrelivant just because I say it?

I know a number of owners who think the air is poor to average. Some think
it's fair, and some couldn't care less either way. I personally think it's
not very good for a large car, and it's shitloads worse than previous
models.

> Crap dash plastics - tester have mentioned the Commodores plastic is
> worse, its mostly in your mind.

Yeah, right.

Now you're really going around the twist Mr D. Nial :)

> rear axle/rotor - rotor problem was fixed ages ago so again
> irrelevent, axle noise still exists and should not be there, so i'll
> give you a point on that one in the manual trans case.

The rotor problem is as healthy today as it's ever been, and the axle
problem affects *all* cars. It's just not as loud on the auto's.

Unless, of course, you're going to suggest something funny like they only
fit the noisy diffs to the manuals :)

> Same money? back then I woul have spent the same money and got
> something better with a 2nd hand Corolla.
>
>>Everything around that price at the time clearly wasn't.
>
> I gave you a hint with the fast food thing - MARKETING.

You still fail to get it.

I could spend fuckloads less on a HR Holden that'd be more reliable than a
BA Failcon, but that's hardly comparing apples with other brand new apples,
is it?

What I was asking you, which you knew only to well and tried to avoid, was
what other *new* car could you buy at the time that was better than an Excel
for the money?

There were one or two others in those days. See if you can figure out what
they were......

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[TheTaipan]

I think you'll find the two boxes feeling very very different between the
two - the media are very very consistant about that in their reviews of the
current 6 speeders, and the XR version actually has a useable 5th and 6th.


"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:419464f4.73161968@203.50.2.233...
>
>> Point for point i'll take you to pieces humpty :)
>
> Pfftttt....
>
> This'll be good for a laugh folks :)
>
>> Starter button/stripes - subjective so completely irrelevant, I
>> personally don't like the starter button.
>
> No one does.
>
>> Steering knocks - this is were you fall down so badly its not funny.
>
> Oke dokey....
>
>> Get it thru your head that these comparos DO NOT and CANNOT take into
>> account problems, the SS would be shot down in flame if it where the
>> case, failing P/S pumps oil burner donks etc
>
> What, even problems on the day?
>
> And if you want to gt niggly, the current Commodore is fucking *miles*
> behind the Falcon in the problem department thanks. I mean, for fuck's
> sake, Ford has *finally* started using the gearbox Holden has been for
> years.
>
> I wonder if you'll bag it as much now that the BA II has it fitted? :)
>
>> A/C - You are the only person I have ever heard say the BA A/C is piss
>> poor, no test has ever montioned it, I own one and known EAXACTLY how
>> it performs so another irrelevent point by you.
>
> Why is it irrelivant just because I say it?
>
> I know a number of owners who think the air is poor to average. Some think
> it's fair, and some couldn't care less either way. I personally think it's
> not very good for a large car, and it's shitloads worse than previous
> models.
>
>> Crap dash plastics - tester have mentioned the Commodores plastic is
>> worse, its mostly in your mind.
>
> Yeah, right.
>
> Now you're really going around the twist Mr D. Nial :)
>
>> rear axle/rotor - rotor problem was fixed ages ago so again
>> irrelevent, axle noise still exists and should not be there, so i'll
>> give you a point on that one in the manual trans case.
>
> The rotor problem is as healthy today as it's ever been, and the axle
> problem affects *all* cars. It's just not as loud on the auto's.
>
> Unless, of course, you're going to suggest something funny like they only
> fit the noisy diffs to the manuals :)
>
>> Same money? back then I woul have spent the same money and got
>> something better with a 2nd hand Corolla.
>>
>>>Everything around that price at the time clearly wasn't.
>>
>> I gave you a hint with the fast food thing - MARKETING.
>
> You still fail to get it.
>
> I could spend fuckloads less on a HR Holden that'd be more reliable than a
> BA Failcon, but that's hardly comparing apples with other brand new
> apples, is it?
>
> What I was asking you, which you knew only to well and tried to avoid, was
> what other *new* car could you buy at the time that was better than an
> Excel for the money?
>
> There were one or two others in those days. See if you can figure out what
> they were......
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>
>

[a9x5l]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:49:26 +1000, TheTaipan wrote:

> I think you'll find the two boxes feeling very very different between the
> two - the media are very very consistant about that in their reviews of
> the current 6 speeders, and the XR version actually has a useable 5th and
> 6th.
>

They use different ratios and the synchros are set up differently also.

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a9x5l

[Noddy]

"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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>I think you'll find the two boxes feeling very very different between the
>two - the media are very very consistant about that in their reviews of the
>current 6 speeders, and the XR version actually has a useable 5th and 6th.

Of course....

You're as bad as Kieron in your one-eyed faith :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[TheTaipan]

No - I can only hope to be as good as Kieron... I'm just a pretender to the
throne...


"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
> news:41954e2e$0$31138$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>I think you'll find the two boxes feeling very very different between the
>>two - the media are very very consistant about that in their reviews of
>>the current 6 speeders, and the XR version actually has a useable 5th and
>>6th.
>
> Of course....
>
> You're as bad as Kieron in your one-eyed faith :)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>

[Richard Fay]

"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
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> I think you'll find the two boxes feeling very very different between the
> two - the media are very very consistant about that in their reviews of
the
> current 6 speeders, and the XR version actually has a useable 5th and 6th.
>

You will also read that the examples (XR6T, XR8) provided by Ford all seems
to have different feel suggestion poor tolerances or manufacture.
So felt good, some felt bad... doesn't inspire confidence

[Kieron]

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:08:21 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:419464f4.73161968@203.50.2.233...
>
>> Point for point i'll take you to pieces humpty :)
>
>Pfftttt....
>
>This'll be good for a laugh folks :)
>
>> Starter button/stripes - subjective so completely irrelevant, I
>> personally don't like the starter button.
>
>No one does.
>
>> Steering knocks - this is were you fall down so badly its not funny.
>
>Oke dokey....
>
>> Get it thru your head that these comparos DO NOT and CANNOT take into
>> account problems, the SS would be shot down in flame if it where the
>> case, failing P/S pumps oil burner donks etc
>
>What, even problems on the day?

Your talking about the numerous P/S failures on the Commodore are you?


>And if you want to gt niggly, the current Commodore is fucking *miles*
>behind the Falcon in the problem department thanks. I mean, for fuck's sake,
>Ford has *finally* started using the gearbox Holden has been for years.
>
>I wonder if you'll bag it as much now that the BA II has it fitted? :)

Depends on whats been said about it. But i'd hazard a guess and say I
won't bag it. I'll leave you to work out why I won't, and it ain't
because its in a Ford, ask Arnie if he knows, he's already bagged the
mags for doing an about face on that box but I doubt at the time he
knew why.

>> A/C - You are the only person I have ever heard say the BA A/C is piss
>> poor, no test has ever montioned it, I own one and known EAXACTLY how
>> it performs so another irrelevent point by you.
>
>Why is it irrelivant just because I say it?
>
>I know a number of owners who think the air is poor to average. Some think
>it's fair, and some couldn't care less either way. I personally think it's
>not very good for a large car, and it's shitloads worse than previous
>models.

and I know a number of people who think its perfectly OK. Its never
been mentioned in any test so its irrelevent.

>> Crap dash plastics - tester have mentioned the Commodores plastic is
>> worse, its mostly in your mind.
>
>Yeah, right.
>
>Now you're really going around the twist Mr D. Nial :)

In print sunshine, not my words. If you want to see crap plastic, go
check out Kias, Hyundais etc i've just done this.

>> rear axle/rotor - rotor problem was fixed ages ago so again
>> irrelevent, axle noise still exists and should not be there, so i'll
>> give you a point on that one in the manual trans case.
>
>The rotor problem is as healthy today as it's ever been, and the axle
>problem affects *all* cars. It's just not as loud on the auto's.

How many new Falcon owners have you surveyed in the last year on
rotors?

>Unless, of course, you're going to suggest something funny like they only
>fit the noisy diffs to the manuals :)

Have you got a permenant stain down your trouser leg? :) your well
aware that a manual driveline doesn't have the softening effect of a
TC hence the reason why its only a manual problem.

Of course, your neatly trying to divert the attention from the fact
that these things arn't and cannot be taken into account in a new car
comparison.

>> Same money? back then I woul have spent the same money and got
>> something better with a 2nd hand Corolla.
>>
>>>Everything around that price at the time clearly wasn't.
>>
>> I gave you a hint with the fast food thing - MARKETING.
>
>You still fail to get it.

I fail to get your unconventional thinking if thats what you mean. The
only reason the Excel was a top seller in its class was price. The
reason for Commodores high sales - MARKETING, this is where Ford has
been sadly lacking for a number of years and only just got back on the
bandwagon. Think the young cap backwards brigade.

>I could spend fuckloads less on a HR Holden that'd be more reliable than a
>BA Failcon, but that's hardly comparing apples with other brand new apples,
>is it?
>
>What I was asking you, which you knew only to well and tried to avoid, was
>what other *new* car could you buy at the time that was better than an Excel
>for the money?
>
>There were one or two others in those days. See if you can figure out what
>they were......

Newcomer Daewoo, Hyundai by then had well established itself in the
Aussie market, not easy for a new brand to break into it.

[Kieron]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:52:33 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
>news:41954e2e$0$31138$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>I think you'll find the two boxes feeling very very different between the
>>two - the media are very very consistant about that in their reviews of the
>>current 6 speeders, and the XR version actually has a useable 5th and 6th.
>
>Of course....
>
>You're as bad as Kieron in your one-eyed faith :)

LOL, you now know one of the reasons the mags are saying the 6 speeder
is better in the Ford. I may be one oeyed, but i'm not blind as a bat
like others who continue to shoot in the dark :)