Re: Moralist Pharmacists Refusing To Fill Prescriptions!!

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:pj07p05a07m91jlgiaarik77t89j34nmku@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:11:44 GMT, "nobody special"
> <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote:
>
>>So long as they're acting within the law, it's very encouraging to
>>hear that people are taking stands on their beliefs.
>>
>
>
> So pharmacists are entited to discriminate about religious beliefs?

of course they are.
They can choose to be whatever they want.
In my experience, most of them are Zoroastrans.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:v517p0hq3d6q0hs4j4bjnn6aivtli3uqg6@4ax.com:

> On 11 Nov 2004 10:21:04 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
> wrote:
>
>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:pj07p05a07m91jlgiaarik77t89j34nmku@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:11:44 GMT, "nobody special"
>>> <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>So long as they're acting within the law, it's very encouraging to
>>>>hear that people are taking stands on their beliefs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So pharmacists are entited to discriminate about religious beliefs?
>>
>>of course they are.
>>They can choose to be whatever they want.
>>In my experience, most of them are Zoroastrans.
>>
>>Bertie
>
> In the United States one cannot discriminate about the delivery of
> health care services based upon national origin, religion, or ethnic
> persuasion.
>
> There are plenty of court cases ........
>
> A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon his own
> religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.


But the real question should be whether he can make a decent ice-cream
soda.

Bertei

[Joel M. Eichen]

On 11 Nov 2004 10:21:04 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
wrote:

>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:pj07p05a07m91jlgiaarik77t89j34nmku@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:11:44 GMT, "nobody special"
>> <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote:
>>
>>>So long as they're acting within the law, it's very encouraging to
>>>hear that people are taking stands on their beliefs.
>>>
>>
>>
>> So pharmacists are entited to discriminate about religious beliefs?
>
>of course they are.
>They can choose to be whatever they want.
>In my experience, most of them are Zoroastrans.
>
>Bertie

In the United States one cannot discriminate about the delivery of
health care services based upon national origin, religion, or ethnic
persuasion.

There are plenty of court cases ........

A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon his own
religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.

[Joel M. Eichen]

On 11 Nov 2004 10:33:49 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
wrote:

>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:v517p0hq3d6q0hs4j4bjnn6aivtli3uqg6@4ax.com:
>
>> On 11 Nov 2004 10:21:04 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:pj07p05a07m91jlgiaarik77t89j34nmku@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:11:44 GMT, "nobody special"
>>>> <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>So long as they're acting within the law, it's very encouraging to
>>>>>hear that people are taking stands on their beliefs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So pharmacists are entited to discriminate about religious beliefs?
>>>
>>>of course they are.
>>>They can choose to be whatever they want.
>>>In my experience, most of them are Zoroastrans.
>>>
>>>Bertie
>>
>> In the United States one cannot discriminate about the delivery of
>> health care services based upon national origin, religion, or ethnic
>> persuasion.
>>
>> There are plenty of court cases ........
>>
>> A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon his own
>> religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.
>
>
>But the real question should be whether he can make a decent ice-cream
>soda.
>
>Bertei

Good one!

But if he is a Jewish pharmacist, he should ask if the guy ate any
meat during the past six hours ..........

Joel

(actually true)

[Rod Speed]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ojs7p01vo266pbuf0vdlilh9l6r30kn14o@4ax.com...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon
>>> his own religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.

>> Nope, no more than someone who refuses to have
>> anything to do with individuals who hit their wife are.

>> Or a liquor store that refuses to sell to an obvious alcoholic bum is.

> So what nationality, ethnicity, or religions are discriminated
> against when the individual refuses to have anything to do
> with the guy who beats his wife?

Some sects to allow the wife to be beaten,
particularly when she doesnt behave herself.

You just dont hear that much about that approach
anymore, just like you dont for that other endorsed
punishment, stoning to death for adultery etc.

Similarly with divorce, some sects dont allow it.

And some others are into excommunication etc even
now, most obviously with the joveys and SDAs.

[Rod Speed]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:v517p0hq3d6q0hs4j4bjnn6aivtli3uqg6@4ax.com...
> Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX> wrote
>> Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> nobody special <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote

>>>> So long as they're acting within the law, it's very encouraging
>>>> to hear that people are taking stands on their beliefs.

>>> So pharmacists are entited to discriminate about religious beliefs?

>> of course they are.
>> They can choose to be whatever they want.
>> In my experience, most of them are Zoroastrans.

> In the United States one cannot discriminate about
> the delivery of health care services based upon
> national origin, religion, or ethnic persuasion.

That isnt what is happening.

> There are plenty of court cases ........

> A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon
> his own religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.

Nope, no more than someone who refuses to have
anything to do with individuals who hit their wife are.

Or a liquor store that refuses to sell to an obvious alcoholic bum is.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:ig37p094fada2fvip18askage8mvbb0odq@4ax.com:

> On 11 Nov 2004 10:33:49 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
> wrote:
>
>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:v517p0hq3d6q0hs4j4bjnn6aivtli3uqg6@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 11 Nov 2004 10:21:04 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>news:pj07p05a07m91jlgiaarik77t89j34nmku@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:11:44 GMT, "nobody special"
>>>>> <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>So long as they're acting within the law, it's very encouraging to
>>>>>>hear that people are taking stands on their beliefs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So pharmacists are entited to discriminate about religious beliefs?
>>>>
>>>>of course they are.
>>>>They can choose to be whatever they want.
>>>>In my experience, most of them are Zoroastrans.
>>>>
>>>>Bertie
>>>
>>> In the United States one cannot discriminate about the delivery of
>>> health care services based upon national origin, religion, or ethnic
>>> persuasion.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of court cases ........
>>>
>>> A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon his own
>>> religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.
>>
>>
>>But the real question should be whether he can make a decent ice-cream
>>soda.
>>
>>Bertei
>
> Good one!
>
> But if he is a Jewish pharmacist, he should ask if the guy ate any
> meat during the past six hours ..........
>

oohkay. You're going to have to expalain that one.


Bertie

[The Real Bev]

"Joel M. Eichen" wrote:

> Kosher guys will not eat milk with meat ..... and further ,,,, if they
> eat meat, some wait six hours, others wait three hours before milk.
>
> If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes .....
>
> Milk is easier to digest, presumably.

Thank you. I had long wondered about that, but not enough to actually
formulate the question.

So there is no generally-recognized practice?

I have also wondered about the use of a microwave oven used to heat
bacon. A friend thought that the residual bacon aroma might be so
disgusting that the oven would not be used. Rule?

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"The object in life is not to be on the side of the
majority, but to be insane in such a useful way that
they can't commit you." -- Mark Edwards

[Joel M. Eichen]

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 04:52:00 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon
>> his own religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.
>
>Nope, no more than someone who refuses to have
>anything to do with individuals who hit their wife are.
>
>Or a liquor store that refuses to sell to an obvious alcoholic bum is.


So what nationality, ethnicity, or religions are discriminated against
when the individual refuses to have anything to do with the guy who
beats his wife?

[Joel M. Eichen]

On 11 Nov 2004 11:33:51 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
wrote:

>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:ig37p094fada2fvip18askage8mvbb0odq@4ax.com:
>
>> On 11 Nov 2004 10:33:49 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:v517p0hq3d6q0hs4j4bjnn6aivtli3uqg6@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On 11 Nov 2004 10:21:04 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:pj07p05a07m91jlgiaarik77t89j34nmku@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:11:44 GMT, "nobody special"
>>>>>> <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So long as they're acting within the law, it's very encouraging to
>>>>>>>hear that people are taking stands on their beliefs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So pharmacists are entited to discriminate about religious beliefs?
>>>>>
>>>>>of course they are.
>>>>>They can choose to be whatever they want.
>>>>>In my experience, most of them are Zoroastrans.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bertie
>>>>
>>>> In the United States one cannot discriminate about the delivery of
>>>> health care services based upon national origin, religion, or ethnic
>>>> persuasion.
>>>>
>>>> There are plenty of court cases ........
>>>>
>>>> A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon his own
>>>> religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.
>>>
>>>
>>>But the real question should be whether he can make a decent ice-cream
>>>soda.
>>>
>>>Bertei
>>
>> Good one!
>>
>> But if he is a Jewish pharmacist, he should ask if the guy ate any
>> meat during the past six hours ..........
>>
>
>oohkay. You're going to have to expalain that one.
>
>
Kosher guys will not eat milk with meat ..... and further ,,,, if they
eat meat, some wait six hours, others wait three hours before milk.

If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes .....

Milk is easier to digest, presumably.


>Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:igs7p0hk0a6amrlr0ngvok4h2tlpjd1jc1@4ax.com:

> On 11 Nov 2004 11:33:51 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
> wrote:
>
>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:ig37p094fada2fvip18askage8mvbb0odq@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 11 Nov 2004 10:33:49 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>news:v517p0hq3d6q0hs4j4bjnn6aivtli3uqg6@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11 Nov 2004 10:21:04 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>news:pj07p05a07m91jlgiaarik77t89j34nmku@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:11:44 GMT, "nobody special"
>>>>>>> <nospam@4methanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So long as they're acting within the law, it's very encouraging to
>>>>>>>>hear that people are taking stands on their beliefs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So pharmacists are entited to discriminate about religious beliefs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>of course they are.
>>>>>>They can choose to be whatever they want.
>>>>>>In my experience, most of them are Zoroastrans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bertie
>>>>>
>>>>> In the United States one cannot discriminate about the delivery of
>>>>> health care services based upon national origin, religion, or ethnic
>>>>> persuasion.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of court cases ........
>>>>>
>>>>> A pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription based upon his own
>>>>> religious beliefs is guilty of such discrimination.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But the real question should be whether he can make a decent ice-cream
>>>>soda.
>>>>
>>>>Bertei
>>>
>>> Good one!
>>>
>>> But if he is a Jewish pharmacist, he should ask if the guy ate any
>>> meat during the past six hours ..........
>>>
>>
>>oohkay. You're going to have to expalain that one.
>>
>>
> Kosher guys will not eat milk with meat ..... and further ,,,, if they
> eat meat, some wait six hours, others wait three hours before milk.
>
> If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes .....
>
> Milk is easier to digest, presumably.

OK, thought maybe you meant they couldn't have sex or wear condoms within
six hours of eating meat.

Makes sense if you think about it.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote in
news:419428AD.FA2D8FF5@myrealbox.com:

> "Joel M. Eichen" wrote:
>
>> Kosher guys will not eat milk with meat ..... and further ,,,, if they
>> eat meat, some wait six hours, others wait three hours before milk.
>>
>> If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes .....
>>
>> Milk is easier to digest, presumably.
>
> Thank you. I had long wondered about that, but not enough to actually
> formulate the question.
>
> So there is no generally-recognized practice?
>
> I have also wondered about the use of a microwave oven used to heat
> bacon. A friend thought that the residual bacon aroma might be so
> disgusting that the oven would not be used. Rule?
>

you're not supposed to do bacon in a microwave, as far as i know. Doesn't
kill all the cootie (trichonosis in particular) in the fatty bits.


Bertie

[Joel M. Eichen]

On 11 Nov 2004 18:28:39 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
wrote:

>> If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes .....
>>
>> Milk is easier to digest, presumably.
>
>OK, thought maybe you meant they couldn't have sex or wear condoms within
>six hours of eating meat.
>
>Makes sense if you think about it.
>
>Bertie


That too .........

[Joel M. Eichen]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:06:21 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:

>"Joel M. Eichen" wrote:
>
>> Kosher guys will not eat milk with meat ..... and further ,,,, if they
>> eat meat, some wait six hours, others wait three hours before milk.
>>
>> If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes .....
>>
>> Milk is easier to digest, presumably.
>
>Thank you. I had long wondered about that, but not enough to actually
>formulate the question.
>
>So there is no generally-recognized practice?

REPLY

Jeez, I would have to check ,,, I mean I know there is a recognized
practice but it gets very complicated depending on whom you ask.

Now the guys living in Williamsburg (Brooklyn) wearing those huge
black hats and long black coats with the bushy beards, their
recognized practice is to wear black, while other guys, well they
cannot find half those rules and regs in their Bible. They are called,
"The Lubavitchers," or Lubavitcher Chasidic." They are very good with
diamonds by the way, and you may see them in various U.S. cities
conducting wholesale diamond business. I believe they hide the most
valuable diamonds in their beards (humor).

In fact, there are 613 rules TOTAL, but how they are practiced and how
they are interpeted would fill books that would completly fill the
room in which you are sitting.

I guess all religions are like that, but with Judaism, its all written
down. Plus all the opinions, pro and con are written down, like usenet
I guess.

Joel






>
>I have also wondered about the use of a microwave oven used to heat
>bacon. A friend thought that the residual bacon aroma might be so
>disgusting that the oven would not be used. Rule?
>

[Joel M. Eichen]

On 12 Nov 2004 04:44:28 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
wrote:

>The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote in
>news:419428AD.FA2D8FF5@myrealbox.com:
>
>> "Joel M. Eichen" wrote:
>>
>>> Kosher guys will not eat milk with meat ..... and further ,,,, if they
>>> eat meat, some wait six hours, others wait three hours before milk.
>>>
>>> If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes .....
>>>
>>> Milk is easier to digest, presumably.
>>
>> Thank you. I had long wondered about that, but not enough to actually
>> formulate the question.
>>
>> So there is no generally-recognized practice?
>>
>> I have also wondered about the use of a microwave oven used to heat
>> bacon. A friend thought that the residual bacon aroma might be so
>> disgusting that the oven would not be used. Rule?
>>
>
>you're not supposed to do bacon in a microwave, as far as i know. Doesn't
>kill all the cootie (trichonosis in particular) in the fatty bits.

Actually you can't do bacon anywhere, mainly because one needs two of
the following:

1. Animal must have a split hoof (similar to a cow).

2. Animal must chew its cud (similar to a cow)

Therefore a pig is never Kosher due to only (2) above, while a bear is
never Kosher due to (2) and (1).

Joel


>
>
>Bertie

[Joel M. Eichen]

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:24:25 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Some sects to allow the wife to be beaten,
>particularly when she doesnt behave herself.

This is true ,,,,,,,, there are even sects where incest is winked at.
Most recently the Amish are coming under fire.

Joel

[Joel M. Eichen]

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:24:25 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Some sects to allow the wife to be beaten,
>particularly when she doesnt behave herself.
>
>You just dont hear that much about that approach
>anymore, just like you dont for that other endorsed
>punishment, stoning to death for adultery etc.
>
>Similarly with divorce, some sects dont allow it.
>
>And some others are into excommunication etc even
>now, most obviously with the joveys and SDAs.

Child sacrifice was not unknown, not so long ago ......


Joel

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> drivveled on and
onnews:nt49p0tt69iuie6qck8nlnochddfj1leno@4ax.com:

> On 11 Nov 2004 18:28:39 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
> wrote:
>
>>> If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes
>>> .....
>>>
>>> Milk is easier to digest, presumably.
>>
>>OK, thought maybe you meant they couldn't have sex or wear condoms
>>within six hours of eating meat.
>>
>>Makes sense if you think about it.
>>
>>Bertie
>
>
> That too .........

Really? Not allowed?

Well, I wouldn't feel like after a McDonalds (wouldn't ffle like much of
anything after that, actually) but how about a small piece of chicken?

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> drivveled on and
onnews:qa59p09l6id6vgbek7u37nbq8g94jejs03@4ax.com:

> On 12 Nov 2004 04:44:28 -0500, Bertie the Bunyip <XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX>
> wrote:
>
>>The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote in
>>news:419428AD.FA2D8FF5@myrealbox.com:
>>
>>> "Joel M. Eichen" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kosher guys will not eat milk with meat ..... and further ,,,, if
>>>> they eat meat, some wait six hours, others wait three hours before
>>>> milk.
>>>>
>>>> If they drink milk, conversely, the wait is only fifteen minutes
>>>> .....
>>>>
>>>> Milk is easier to digest, presumably.
>>>
>>> Thank you. I had long wondered about that, but not enough to
>>> actually formulate the question.
>>>
>>> So there is no generally-recognized practice?
>>>
>>> I have also wondered about the use of a microwave oven used to heat
>>> bacon. A friend thought that the residual bacon aroma might be so
>>> disgusting that the oven would not be used. Rule?
>>>
>>
>>you're not supposed to do bacon in a microwave, as far as i know.
>>Doesn't kill all the cootie (trichonosis in particular) in the fatty
>>bits.
>
> Actually you can't do bacon anywhere, mainly because one needs two of
> the following:
>
> 1. Animal must have a split hoof (similar to a cow).
>
> 2. Animal must chew its cud (similar to a cow)
>
> Therefore a pig is never Kosher due to only (2) above, while a bear is
> never Kosher due to (2) and (1).
>

Yes, this i know and it obviously stems from the trichonosis prolems they
would have had inthe heat with no fridges way back, but I was speaking in a
non-jewish sort of generalgood idea way there.


Bertie.

[Bertie the Bunyip]

Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> drivveled on and
onnews:ve59p0dga7qpg5lsfvc29snd410um9f12e@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:24:25 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Some sects to allow the wife to be beaten,
>>particularly when she doesnt behave herself.
>
> This is true ,,,,,,,, there are even sects where incest is winked at.

Spelling!
Bertie