Re: Nationwide daylight saving

[Hunter1]

Hoohtee the night owl wrote:

> "Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
> news:418e9d94$1@funnel.arach.net.au...
>>
>>Ahhhh, it appears to me that someone is stubbornly refusing to see reality
>>even when it's shoved right in front of his face.
>
> You haven't shoved anything in my face yet. I've supplied you with
> verifiable information. You've provided NOTHING.


So you've completely forgotten (ignored) the fact that I
replied to your GST whinge with:

"So you are losing 376 million or so a year via GST, hardly
surprising considering the size of the population in your
state compared to other states that you would get less of
that back each year per head.

Now where is that money coming from that you spend to
generate that GST? Where is the wealth coming into Australia
from to generate the money that you spend to pay a GST? From
the resources of WA and the NT primarily. As I've
demonstrated in another post WA generates over 50% of
Australia's total resource production (at 24.3 billion US
dollars in 2000-2001 for example). Much of this money does
not come back to us but pays for the other states. That is
WA alone. I think if you add in the NT we'd see something
closer to 75% of Australia's total resource production. 24.3
billion, makes your pissy few hundred million (which was
money that was paid in tax only because you had it to spend
in the firstplace, primarily due to Australia's resource
production, primarily produced by the NT and WA) look like a
petty whinge. "

Are you?

Or where I posted this:

{A stable government and economy, technology, and
established export capability as well as abundant natural
resources and proximity to Asia have all helped to
strengthen Western Australia's importance to the Australian,
and world economy. Western Australia's mineral and energy
sector, valued at U.S. $17.1 billion in 2000-2001,
represents 70 percent of Western Australia's export income
and over 50 percent of Australia's total resources
production (U.S. $24.3 billion). Last year, iron ore,
petroleum, and gold were the most significant mineral and
energy industries in Australia. }

initially?

All easily verifiable facts that you have failed to refute.
So what was it you were saying again?


>>If you're too narrow-minded to face facts (like the ones I presented as to
>>the value of WA's resource production), then clearly anything you say is
>>just opinionated garbage as opposed to anything of any real relevance.
>>Feel free to dispute any of the facts I have presented,
>
> When you actually present some I will. Until then....


Well I've re-presented them for you as they obviously went
over your head last time. Better luck this time.

[Hunter1]

Hoohtee the night owl wrote:

> "Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4193e02b$1@funnel.arach.net.au...
>
>>So you've completely forgotten (ignored) the fact that I replied to your
>>GST whinge with:
>
> I haven't forgotten at all


What??? All the stuff you conveniently snipped??? 8]

How about I put it back for you.

"So you are losing 376 million or so a year via GST, hardly
surprising considering the size of the population in your
state compared to other states that you would get less of
that back each year per head.

Now where is that money coming from that you spend to
generate that GST? Where is the wealth coming into Australia
from to generate the money that you spend to pay a GST? From
the resources of WA and the NT primarily. As I've
demonstrated in another post WA generates over 50% of
Australia's total resource production (at 24.3 billion US
dollars in 2000-2001 for example). Much of this money does
not come back to us but pays for the other states. That is
WA alone. I think if you add in the NT we'd see something
closer to 75% of Australia's total resource production. 24.3
billion, makes your pissy few hundred million (which was
money that was paid in tax only because you had it to spend
in the firstplace, primarily due to Australia's resource
production, primarily produced by the NT and WA) look like a
petty whinge. "

Wanna try again? 8]


> but you've only made statements. You haven't
> backed up what you've said with any verifiable fact.


Just as verifiable as your crap. How are my facts (being
facts) any different than your facts (which I accepted as
facts after verifying them). ??? Purely because they hurt
your head no doubt. Or are you just too stupid to know how
to do a basic websearch???


> In any case you've only
> attempted to counter what I've said regarding the GST.


No, your lame arse reply was a whinge about a few hundred
million, I've pointed out to you that we actually supply
10's of billions. You can count can't you?


> You have done
> ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prove your claim that WA supports other states.


Funny, even those on your side seem to have come to the
party that I am correct on this (so have the politicians
every time the debate has come up) and none seem to argue
our financial contribution, and all fall back to "can you
look after it yourself with your limited population with the
current world climate", and on that argument I sort of
agree, Australia should remain as one (and I'm proud of our
"whole" country), but I'll be fucked if I'll back down to
little pansys that think you pay our way when we pay your
way. You're the one in denial here.


> I've been waiting since Sunday for something from you.


And if I'd been really busy you could wait another week.
Unlike you computer geeks I have a life away from here.
Problem for you??? If it is, bad fucking luck.


> It's now Friday.


And so it is! 8]


> If
> you don't come up with something soon I'll assume that you can't back up
> what you claim.


Heartbroken. No! Seriously! 8]

[Hoohtee the night owl]

"Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
news:4194eba4$1@funnel.arach.net.au...
> Hoohtee the night owl wrote:
>
>> "Hunter1" <hunter1@arach.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:4193e02b$1@funnel.arach.net.au...
>>
>>>So you've completely forgotten (ignored) the fact that I replied to your
>>>GST whinge with:
>>
>> I haven't forgotten at all
>
>
> What??? All the stuff you conveniently snipped??? 8]
>
> How about I put it back for you.
>
*snipped again*

You can put it back as many times as you want but it doesn't make it any
more true than it was last time. You have provided no credible source for
your claims. Put up a url or shutup.
>
>
>> but you've only made statements. You haven't backed up what you've said
>> with any verifiable fact.
>
>
> Just as verifiable as your crap.

WRONG!

> How are my facts (being facts)

No, they're just claims.

> any different than your facts (which I accepted as facts after verifying
> them).

Because my facts were verifiable simply by following the links I provided,
which you obviously did. You haven't provided any source for your claims.


> ??? Purely because they hurt your head no doubt. Or are you just too
> stupid to know how to do a basic websearch???
>
>
>> In any case you've only attempted to counter what I've said regarding the
>> GST.
>
>
> No, your lame arse reply was a whinge about a few hundred million, I've
> pointed out to you that we actually supply 10's of billions.

No you didn't.


> You can count can't you?
>
>
>> You have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prove your claim that WA supports
>> other states.
>
>
> Funny, even those on your side seem to have come to the party that I am
> correct on this (so have the politicians every time the debate has come
> up)

Proof?

> and none seem to argue our financial contribution,

Proof?

> and all fall back to "can you look after it yourself with your limited
> population with the current world climate", and on that argument I sort of
> agree, Australia should remain as one (and I'm proud of our "whole"
> country), but I'll be fucked if I'll back down to little pansys that think
> you pay our way when we pay your way. You're the one in denial here.
>
Pot.Kettle.Black

>
>> I've been waiting since Sunday for something from you.
>
>
> And if I'd been really busy you could wait another week. Unlike you
> computer geeks I have a life away from here. Problem for you??? If it is,
> bad fucking luck.
>
Is that your excuse? Not very good.


>
>> It's now Friday.
>
>
> And so it is! 8]
>
>
>> If you don't come up with something soon I'll assume that you can't back
>> up what you claim.
>
>
> Heartbroken. No! Seriously! 8]
>

[Hunter1]

Hoohtee the night owl wrote:

> *snipped again*


Not unexpected.


> You can put it back as many times as you want but it doesn't make it any
> more true than it was last time. You have provided no credible source for
> your claims. Put up a url or shutup.


Ahhh, that's all you're after.... I notice you snipped my
comment about the ability to do a basic websearch, but that
is fair enough, I've asked bastards to post a ref in the
past when they haven't bothered, I thought I had but after a
quick look back to my original post I find I didn't. My
mistake and apologies. I'll fix that right now (after all
the onus is on the claimant!)

Here is my source for:

{A stable government and economy, technology, and
established export capability as well as abundant natural
resources and proximity to Asia have all helped to
strengthen Western Australia's importance to the Australian,
and world economy. Western Australia's mineral and energy
sector, valued at U.S. $17.1 billion in 2000-2001,
represents 70 percent of Western Australia's export income
and over 50 percent of Australia's total resources
production (U.S. $24.3 billion). Last year, iron ore,
petroleum, and gold were the most significant mineral and
energy industries in Australia. }

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/inimr-ri.nsf/en/gr111817e.html


>>Just as verifiable as your crap.
>
>
> WRONG!


Nope, basic websearch would've done it. But fair call to ask
for a URL.


>>How are my facts (being facts)
>
>
> No, they're just claims.


Nope. Facts. Did you know for instance (just to throw
another one at you) that WA's trade surplus in 2000-2001 was
21 billion dollars, whereas Oz's entire trade surplus for
that same period was a mere 1.3 billion??? Trust you Eastern
Staters to lose all that money we made for the country with
your deficits. Yet another fact for you to crawl under a
rock and ignore.


>>any different than your facts (which I accepted as facts after verifying
>>them).
>
> Because my facts were verifiable simply by following the links I provided,
> which you obviously did. You haven't provided any source for your claims.


Your original claim was that it was verifiable because water
is wet. That was fucking laughable. Excuse me if I didn't
take you too seriously after that, but hey, dems da breaks.


>>No, your lame arse reply was a whinge about a few hundred million, I've
>>pointed out to you that we actually supply 10's of billions.
>
> No you didn't.


Yeah, actually I did. A few times.


>>Funny, even those on your side seem to have come to the party that I am
>>correct on this (so have the politicians every time the debate has come
>>up)
>
> Proof?


You don't know much about our 1933 secession attempt do you.
That was when we said "fuck you, you're not giving us enough
so we'll take our money and run". You Eastern Staters bent
over and said "errr, we can't afford that, here's a heap
more money to keep you happy". To our shame we accepted your
plea (not that we had much choice considering you'd have
used force if we'd actually gone ahead).


>>and none seem to argue our financial contribution,
>
> Proof?


See above.


>>and all fall back to "can you look after it yourself with your limited
>>population with the current world climate", and on that argument I sort of
>>agree, Australia should remain as one (and I'm proud of our "whole"
>>country), but I'll be fucked if I'll back down to little pansys that think
>>you pay our way when we pay your way. You're the one in denial here.
>
> Pot.Kettle.Black


How do you work that one out buddy? 8]


>>And if I'd been really busy you could wait another week. Unlike you
>>computer geeks I have a life away from here. Problem for you??? If it is,
>>bad fucking luck.
>
> Is that your excuse? Not very good.


Excuse??? 8]

Unlike you most of us have other things to do than sit here
rattling on about this bullshit. I'm here tonight because I
got home after a good night out with mates and am still
pissed enough to have a go in here. I also jump in on the
odd week night before crashing and occasionally on the
weekend. Can't help it if you're unemployed (unemployable)
and have nothing better to do. Want a job??? Could do with
someone to get our lunches and make our coffee 8]