Top gun

[Sean Anderson]

Did anyone notice a problem with the frame rate cadence on Top Gun -
especially on HDTV. It seems that they tried to covert from exactly
24FPS to 50 fields per second - frame blurring, jumping - ugly.
It's like they didn't have a "PAL" (well 25fps) version to play.

[Don-R]

What kind of display were you watching at the time? I noted the same thing
from my projector. Very annoying

Don

"Sean Anderson" <notmyrealaddress@mail2world.com> wrote in message
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> Did anyone notice a problem with the frame rate cadence on Top Gun -
> especially on HDTV. It seems that they tried to covert from exactly
> 24FPS to 50 fields per second - frame blurring, jumping - ugly.
> It's like they didn't have a "PAL" (well 25fps) version to play.

[Sean Anderson]

It was actually via the HDTV card in my PC. I recored a bit and frame by
framed it - not good. Also if you looked at it full speed on a panning
shot, you got a shimmering effect with a period of about a second -
which would also fit in with my theory that they just squashed 25fps on
top of 25fps - every 24th frame you have to double up, or blur the
frames around every 24th frame so it wasn't so obvious.

I wonder if this is going to be normal for HDTV material - i.e. we get
24fps material from the US and they do no "PAL" (I know, HDTV isn't PAL)
conversion on it.

Don-R wrote:
> What kind of display were you watching at the time? I noted the same thing
> from my projector. Very annoying
>
> Don
>
> "Sean Anderson" <notmyrealaddress@mail2world.com> wrote in message
> news:419dce8c$0$25790$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>>Did anyone notice a problem with the frame rate cadence on Top Gun -
>>especially on HDTV. It seems that they tried to covert from exactly
>>24FPS to 50 fields per second - frame blurring, jumping - ugly.
>>It's like they didn't have a "PAL" (well 25fps) version to play.
>
>
>

[Steve Batt]

"Sean Anderson" <notmyrealaddress@mail2world.com> wrote in message
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> It was actually via the HDTV card in my PC. I recored a bit and frame by
> framed it - not good. Also if you looked at it full speed on a panning
> shot, you got a shimmering effect with a period of about a second -
> which would also fit in with my theory that they just squashed 25fps on
> top of 25fps - every 24th frame you have to double up, or blur the
> frames around every 24th frame so it wasn't so obvious.
>
> I wonder if this is going to be normal for HDTV material - i.e. we get
> 24fps material from the US and they do no "PAL" (I know, HDTV isn't PAL)
> conversion on it.
>
> Don-R wrote:
> > What kind of display were you watching at the time? I noted the same
thing
> > from my projector. Very annoying
> >
> > Don
> >
> > "Sean Anderson" <notmyrealaddress@mail2world.com> wrote in message
> > news:419dce8c$0$25790$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> >
> >>Did anyone notice a problem with the frame rate cadence on Top Gun -
> >>especially on HDTV. It seems that they tried to covert from exactly
> >>24FPS to 50 fields per second - frame blurring, jumping - ugly.
> >>It's like they didn't have a "PAL" (well 25fps) version to play.
> >
> >
> >looked ok via fox onto mt tv

Steve

[Winston [ausWY]]

They should've sped the 24fps to 25fps themselves then ;).

"Sean Anderson" <notmyrealaddress@mail2world.com> wrote in message
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> Did anyone notice a problem with the frame rate cadence on Top Gun -
> especially on HDTV. It seems that they tried to covert from exactly
> 24FPS to 50 fields per second - frame blurring, jumping - ugly.
> It's like they didn't have a "PAL" (well 25fps) version to play.

[tony_h]

Steve Batt wrote:
> looked ok via fox onto mt tv
>
> Steve
They are talking about HD, Fox doesn't do it in HD!
Regards
Tony

--�
http://tonyspage.abock.de for some Topfield info including turning
those recordings into DVDs, adding features with the open source TAP
environment etc...

[Steve Batt]

"tony_h" <tony_h@REMOVE.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> Steve Batt wrote:
> > looked ok via fox onto mt tv
> >
> > Steve
> They are talking about HD, Fox doesn't do it in HD!
> Regards
> Tony
>
> --�
> http://tonyspage.abock.de for some Topfield info including turning
> those recordings into DVDs, adding features with the open source TAP
> environment etc...
>
> Oh really ....... well there ya go.
Maybe fer once hd wasn't the best, hey.
Steve

[NFP]

Sean Anderson wrote:

> Did anyone notice a problem with the frame rate cadence on Top Gun -
> especially on HDTV. It seems that they tried to covert from exactly
> 24FPS to 50 fields per second - frame blurring, jumping - ugly.
> It's like they didn't have a "PAL" (well 25fps) version to play.

Yes, I noticed it too. I think they grabbed a field from every 24th
frame and a field from every 25th frame to create a new frame they could
insert after every 24th frame to create 25fps. It's cheap and nasty,
considering the technology exists to perform true motion interpolation
between 2 frames. It makes more sense for them to interpolate frames
than speed up the video and then have audio pitch issues to worry about,
but I wish they would use a better interpolation method.

I ditched my HD capture because of this and PQ being a bit blurry and noisy.

Audio also seemed to be only DD2.0, or did my processing mess up the flags?