Is there any reason why I cannot register a SIM card to my dog?

[Andy]

On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?

If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?

[Rod Speed]

Andy <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?

You dont need to 'provide valid identity papers' if you have a clue.

> If not, how do the telcos check to see that the
> data provided to them on registration is valid

They dont on the whole.

> and do they give a stuff?

Not really. Some like telstra do try to pretend they do, because
of the legal requirements on that, but they dont really care.

[NOYFB]

I used to work for Vodafone retail and "Joe Bloggs" was enough on the form
to keep them happy. Between him and John Smith, there's a lot of prepaids
out there.

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Andy <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>> On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
>
> You dont need to 'provide valid identity papers' if you have a clue.
>
>> If not, how do the telcos check to see that the
>> data provided to them on registration is valid
>
> They dont on the whole.
>
>> and do they give a stuff?
>
> Not really. Some like telstra do try to pretend they do, because
> of the legal requirements on that, but they dont really care.
>
>

[Michael]

"Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
> On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
>
> If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
> on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?

It depends what you mean by valid.
Checking against actual records or versus their own records?

Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a stuff. I
know they do
>

[Michael]

"NOYFB" <mcgregPISSOFF@SPAMMERSSUCK.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> I used to work for Vodafone retail and "Joe Bloggs" was enough on the form
> to keep them happy. Between him and John Smith, there's a lot of prepaids
> out there.

prepaid is a whole diff game to post paid

[Wally]

Michael wrote:
> "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>>On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
>>
>>If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
>>on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
>
>
> It depends what you mean by valid.
> Checking against actual records or versus their own records?

What?

>
> Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a stuff. I
> know they do

On prepaid?

>
>
>

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
>> On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
>>
>> If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
>> on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
>
> It depends what you mean by valid.
> Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
>
> Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a stuff. I
> know they do

You know sweet **** all about anyone be telstra and have never
managed to even work out that even telstra doesnt give a ****
most of the time either as long as they can show that they did
what the law requires if they ever get ****ed over on that.

[Michael]

"Wally" <whereswally@worl.comk> wrote in message
news:41b710cd$0$9390$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> Michael wrote:
> > "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> >>On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
> >>
> >>If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
> >>on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
> >
> >
> > It depends what you mean by valid.
> > Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
>
> What?

Data can be validated in a number of ways to ascertain it is accurate and
prevent against fraud.

If you present a licence at a store as ID, it can be validated in a number
of ways.
- does the ID appear valid? by looking at various characteristics.
I'm not going to go into detail about this as it would only help fraudsters

Secondly, the data can be validated against their own records.

ie. if you present licence 1245690, and that licence number is already
listed under another, valid, subscriber, then your ID could be fake.

> > Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a stuff.
I
> > know they do
>
> On prepaid?

Yes

[Michael]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:P6Ctd.64253$K7.59328@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
> >>
> >> If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
> >> on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
> >
> > It depends what you mean by valid.
> > Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
> >
> > Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a stuff.
I
> > know they do
>
> You know sweet **** all about anyone be telstra and have never
> managed to even work out that even telstra doesnt give a ****
> most of the time either as long as they can show that they did
> what the law requires if they ever get ****ed over on that.

Telstra, and the other carriers, care very much about fraud.
It goes to their bottom line of bad debt.
Thats why they have fraud departments, even multiple fraud departments

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:31p4g0F3dh9g8U1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:P6Ctd.64253$K7.59328@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
>> > "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >> On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
>> >>
>> >> If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
>> >> on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
>> >
>> > It depends what you mean by valid.
>> > Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
>> >
>> > Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a stuff.
> I
>> > know they do
>>
>> You know sweet **** all about anyone be telstra and have never
>> managed to even work out that even telstra doesnt give a ****
>> most of the time either as long as they can show that they did
>> what the law requires if they ever get ****ed over on that.

> Telstra, and the other carriers, care very much about fraud.

Not when they get their money regardless of who you claim to be.

> It goes to their bottom line of bad debt.

Wrong again with prepaid.

> Thats why they have fraud departments,
> even multiple fraud departments

Not with prepaid that was always designed to ensure
that credit duds cant produce bad debts, stupid.

No wonder they only let you clean the dunnys.

[Wally]

Rod Speed wrote:
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:SxJtd.64491$K7.18194@news-server.bigpond.net.au...


>
>>Telstra, and the other carriers, care very much about fraud.
>
>
> Not when they get their money regardless of who you claim to be.


Thats what I thought

[Michael]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:SxJtd.64491$K7.18194@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:31p4g0F3dh9g8U1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:P6Ctd.64253$K7.59328@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> >
> >> > "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> >> On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
> >> >>
> >> >> If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to
them
> >> >> on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
> >> >
> >> > It depends what you mean by valid.
> >> > Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
> >> >
> >> > Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a
stuff.
> > I
> >> > know they do
> >>
> >> You know sweet **** all about anyone be telstra and have never
> >> managed to even work out that even telstra doesnt give a ****
> >> most of the time either as long as they can show that they did
> >> what the law requires if they ever get ****ed over on that.
>
> > Telstra, and the other carriers, care very much about fraud.
>
> Not when they get their money regardless of who you claim to be.

Incorrect

> > It goes to their bottom line of bad debt.
>
> Wrong again with prepaid.

Prepaids are suspended if the details are false as they can be used to
perform activities which cannabalise revenue elsewhere

> > Thats why they have fraud departments,
> > even multiple fraud departments
>
> Not with prepaid that was always designed to ensure
> that credit duds cant produce bad debts, stupid.

Fraud is not about bad debt, its about taking out services with incorrect
details. An almost 100% guarantee of this, is that bad debt will occur

Bad debt is bad debt and is handled by Credit departments. Fraud is handled
by Fraud

[Michael]

"Simon Templar" <vk3xem@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
news:41b8172c$1_2@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com. ..
> Michael wrote:
> >
> >
> > Fraud is not about bad debt, its about taking out services with
incorrect
> > details. An almost 100% guarantee of this, is that bad debt will occur
> >
> > Bad debt is bad debt and is handled by Credit departments. Fraud is
handled
> > by Fraud
> >
> >
>
> How the hell can a pre-paid service incur a debt? Either you have
> credit and you can call out or you don't and you can't!

No one said that prepaids incur a debt.

Youve got things arse over tit

[Wally]

Michael wrote:


>Prepaids are suspended if the details are false as they can be used to
>perform activities which cannabalise revenue elsewhere

Explain your statement.

[thegoons]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Wally" <whereswally@worl.comk> wrote in message
> news:41b710cd$0$9390$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>> Michael wrote:
>> > "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >
>> >>On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
>> >>
>> >>If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
>> >>on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
>> >
>> >
>> > It depends what you mean by valid.
>> > Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
>>
>> What?
>
> Data can be validated in a number of ways to ascertain it is accurate and
> prevent against fraud.
>
> If you present a licence at a store as ID, it can be validated in a number
> of ways.
> - does the ID appear valid? by looking at various characteristics.
> I'm not going to go into detail about this as it would only help
> fraudsters

Sorry but the kids working at Woolies on $5/hr usually don;t give a rats and
from what I have experienced, rarely ask for ANY ident.

>
> Secondly, the data can be validated against their own records.
>
> ie. if you present licence 1245690, and that licence number is already
> listed under another, valid, subscriber, then your ID could be fake.
>
>> > Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a stuff.
> I
>> > know they do
>>
>> On prepaid?
>
> Yes
>
>

[The Family]

I did some grocery shopping at Woolies tonight. When I got to the checkout
there was a large display stand next to it, full of $2 SIM packs. And a
queue of several people behind me, of course.

What the heck - I decided to toss a SIM pack in with the groceries to see
what would happen.

Well, the chick simply scanned it along with the other 25 items. No ID
requested. I paid in cash so there's not even a CC number to identify the
SIM sale to me.

Judging by the size of the display, there are a bunch of Red SIMs moving
through WOW checkouts across the nation. No attempt is being made to
identify buyers and in my case (a busy checkout) no attempt was made to sell
a recharge credit.

Those checkout chix are way too busy pushing groceries through the scanner
to muck around with obtaining IDs for a $2 sale or upselling recharge
credits before a customer leaves the shop.


"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:LxJtd.64490$K7.28518@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Wally" <whereswally@worl.comk> wrote in message
> > news:41b710cd$0$9390$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> >> Michael wrote:
> >> > "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> >
> >> >>On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
> >> >>
> >> >>If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
> >> >>on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It depends what you mean by valid.
> >> > Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
> >>
> >> What?
> >
> > Data can be validated in a number of ways to ascertain it is accurate
and
> > prevent against fraud.
> >
> > If you present a licence at a store as ID, it can be validated in a
number
> > of ways.
> > - does the ID appear valid? by looking at various characteristics.
> > I'm not going to go into detail about this as it would only help
> > fraudsters
>
> Sorry but the kids working at Woolies on $5/hr usually don;t give a rats
and
> from what I have experienced, rarely ask for ANY ident.
>
> >
> > Secondly, the data can be validated against their own records.
> >
> > ie. if you present licence 1245690, and that licence number is already
> > listed under another, valid, subscriber, then your ID could be fake.
> >
> >> > Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a
stuff.
> > I
> >> > know they do
> >>
> >> On prepaid?
> >
> > Yes
> >
> >
>
>

[Rod Speed]

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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:31p7lpF3ekgc3U1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:SxJtd.64491$K7.18194@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
>> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:31p4g0F3dh9g8U1@individual.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:P6Ctd.64253$K7.59328@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >> >> On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to
> them
>> >> >> on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
>> >> >
>> >> > It depends what you mean by valid.
>> >> > Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
>> >> >
>> >> > Do they give a stuff? Ask their fraud departments if they give a
> stuff.
>> > I
>> >> > know they do
>> >>
>> >> You know sweet **** all about anyone be telstra and have never
>> >> managed to even work out that even telstra doesnt give a ****
>> >> most of the time either as long as they can show that they did
>> >> what the law requires if they ever get ****ed over on that.
>>
>> > Telstra, and the other carriers, care very much about fraud.
>>
>> Not when they get their money regardless of who you claim to be.

> Incorrect

Correct.

>>> It goes to their bottom line of bad debt.

>> Wrong again with prepaid.

> Prepaids are suspended if the details are false

Dont believe it. And they certainly dont
bother to check if the details are false.

> as they can be used to perform activities
> which cannabalise revenue elsewhere

Mindless silly waffle. Try substantiating
that stupid pig ignorant claim.

>>> Thats why they have fraud departments,
>>> even multiple fraud departments

>> Not with prepaid that was always designed to ensure
>> that credit duds cant produce bad debts, stupid.

> Fraud is not about bad debt,

YOU brought up bad debts, you stupid
pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

> its about taking out services with incorrect details.

Telstra would never know if the monkey that flogs the
starter pack doesnt bother to check ID, ****wit child.

> An almost 100% guarantee of this, is that bad debt will occur

Not even possible with a prepaid, you stupid pig ignorant ****wit
dunny cleaning child. Thats the WHOLE POINT of prepaid, the
telco gets the money up front and THERE CANT BE A BAD DEBT.

No wonder they only let you clean the dunnys, child.

> Bad debt is bad debt and is handled by Credit departments.

Not even possible with a prepaid, you stupid pig ignorant ****wit
dunny cleaning child. Thats the WHOLE POINT of prepaid, the
telco gets the money up front and THERE CANT BE A BAD DEBT.

No wonder they only let you clean the dunnys, child.

> Fraud is handled by Fraud

It aint fraud if you supply fake ID details with a prepaid,
you stupid pig ignorant ****wit dunny cleaning child.

[Michael]

"Wally" <whereswally@worl.comk> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>
>
> >Prepaids are suspended if the details are false as they can be used to
> >perform activities which cannabalise revenue elsewhere
>
> Explain your statement.

I cannot go into details on this one.

[Michael]

"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:LxJtd.64490$K7.28518@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >
> > "Wally" <whereswally@worl.comk> wrote in message
> > news:41b710cd$0$9390$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> >> Michael wrote:
> >> > "Andy" <pandoraandypandy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:1102469889.859404.7980@f14g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> >
> >> >>On the vodafone network if I provide valid identity papers?
> >> >>
> >> >>If not, how do the telcos check to see that the data provided to them
> >> >>on registration is valid and do they give a stuff?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It depends what you mean by valid.
> >> > Checking against actual records or versus their own records?
> >>
> >> What?
> >
> > Data can be validated in a number of ways to ascertain it is accurate
and
> > prevent against fraud.
> >
> > If you present a licence at a store as ID, it can be validated in a
number
> > of ways.
> > - does the ID appear valid? by looking at various characteristics.
> > I'm not going to go into detail about this as it would only help
> > fraudsters
>
> Sorry but the kids working at Woolies on $5/hr usually don;t give a rats
and
> from what I have experienced, rarely ask for ANY ident.

The statement applies mainly to post paid.

[Michael]

> >> Wrong again with prepaid.
>
> > Prepaids are suspended if the details are false
>
> Dont believe it. And they certainly dont
> bother to check if the details are false.

Telstra do. Seen it done.

> > as they can be used to perform activities
> > which cannabalise revenue elsewhere
>
> Mindless silly waffle. Try substantiating
> that stupid pig ignorant claim.

Cant go into detail on the specifics on that

> >>> Thats why they have fraud departments,
> >>> even multiple fraud departments
>
> >> Not with prepaid that was always designed to ensure
> >> that credit duds cant produce bad debts, stupid.
>
> > Fraud is not about bad debt,
>
> YOU brought up bad debts, you stupid
> pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit child.

YOU associated prepaid with bad debt. NOT ME.

> > its about taking out services with incorrect details.
>
> Telstra would never know if the monkey that flogs the
> starter pack doesnt bother to check ID, ****wit child.

They arent as concerned with that end, its the data entered into their
database by the CSR rep who connects the service, which comes from the
customer

> > An almost 100% guarantee of this, is that bad debt will occur
>
> Not even possible with a prepaid, you stupid pig ignorant ****wit
> dunny cleaning child. Thats the WHOLE POINT of prepaid, the
> telco gets the money up front and THERE CANT BE A BAD DEBT.

We werent talking about bad debt with prepaid, you went down that aimless
sideline

> No wonder they only let you clean the dunnys, child.
>
> > Bad debt is bad debt and is handled by Credit departments.
>
> Not even possible with a prepaid, you stupid pig ignorant ****wit
> dunny cleaning child. Thats the WHOLE POINT of prepaid, the
> telco gets the money up front and THERE CANT BE A BAD DEBT.

We werent talking about bad debt and prepaid

> No wonder they only let you clean the dunnys, child.
>
> > Fraud is handled by Fraud
>
> It aint fraud if you supply fake ID details with a prepaid,
> you stupid pig ignorant ****wit dunny cleaning child.

Fraud is providing false or misleading details. Full stop
>
>