God, what will we do now?

[OzOne]

This kid wasn't even licenced!
Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers
too!?

Teenager dies in fiery crash
December 21, 2004

A TEENAGER was burned to death after the car he was driving left a
road in the West Australian coastal town of Denmark.

His Holden Commodore careered into two trees before splitting in half
and bursting into flames, police said.

The 16-year-old, who did not hold a valid WA driver's license and was
not the owner of the car, was driving along South Coast Highway at
around 10.30pm last night.

Police are attempting to identify the teenager using DNA and dental
records, while crash investigators are looking into whether excessive
speed was a factor in the crash.
http://tinyurl.com/63lr8


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Lord-Data]

If they havn't identified him, how do they know hes unlisenced?




<OzOne> wrote in message news:unjfs0p16sqidnrv9r7u77dmfk2j0sq9hj@4ax.com...
>
> This kid wasn't even licenced!
> Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers
> too!?
>
> Teenager dies in fiery crash
> December 21, 2004
>
> A TEENAGER was burned to death after the car he was driving left a
> road in the West Australian coastal town of Denmark.
>
> His Holden Commodore careered into two trees before splitting in half
> and bursting into flames, police said.
>
> The 16-year-old, who did not hold a valid WA driver's license and was
> not the owner of the car, was driving along South Coast Highway at
> around 10.30pm last night.
>
> Police are attempting to identify the teenager using DNA and dental
> records, while crash investigators are looking into whether excessive
> speed was a factor in the crash.
> http://tinyurl.com/63lr8
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Serialpest]

On 21/12/04 5:23 PM, in article unjfs0p16sqidnrv9r7u77dmfk2j0sq9hj@4ax.com,
"OzOne" <OzOne> wrote:

>
> This kid wasn't even licenced!
> Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers
> too!?
>
> Teenager dies in fiery crash
> December 21, 2004
>
> A TEENAGER was burned to death after the car he was driving left a
> road in the West Australian coastal town of Denmark.
>
> His Holden Commodore careered into two trees before splitting in half
> and bursting into flames, police said.
>
> The 16-year-old, who did not hold a valid WA driver's license and was
> not the owner of the car, was driving along South Coast Highway at
> around 10.30pm last night.
>
> Police are attempting to identify the teenager using DNA and dental
> records, while crash investigators are looking into whether excessive
> speed was a factor in the crash.
> http://tinyurl.com/63lr8
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Certainly adds new meaning to the term 'HOT COMMODORE'

[OzOne]

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:46:10 +1100, "Lord-Data" <data@ihug.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>If they havn't identified him, how do they know hes unlisenced?

They know who he is, just need it to be official that's all.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[D Walford]

OzOne wrote:
>
> This kid wasn't even licenced!
> Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers
> too!?
>
> Teenager dies in fiery crash
> December 21, 2004
>
> A TEENAGER was burned to death after the car he was driving left a
> road in the West Australian coastal town of Denmark.
>

Suicide by car?




Daryl

[Steve]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:41C7D8F7.3FC693BD@iprimus.com.au...
> OzOne wrote:
> >
> > This kid wasn't even licenced!
> > Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers
> > too!?
> >
> > Teenager dies in fiery crash
> > December 21, 2004
> >
> > A TEENAGER was burned to death after the car he was driving left a
> > road in the West Australian coastal town of Denmark.
> >
>
> Suicide by car?

current story on the news is that he nicked his mum's keys and was doing
around 170 when he lost control

cheers
Steve

[Jason James]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:unjfs0p16sqidnrv9r7u77dmfk2j0sq9hj@4ax.com...
>
> This kid wasn't even licenced!
> Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers
> too!?
>
> Teenager dies in fiery crash
> December 21, 2004
>
> A TEENAGER was burned to death after the car he was driving left a
> road in the West Australian coastal town of Denmark.
>
> His Holden Commodore careered into two trees before splitting in half
> and bursting into flames, police said.
>
> The 16-year-old, who did not hold a valid WA driver's license and was
> not the owner of the car, was driving along South Coast Highway at
> around 10.30pm last night.
>
> Police are attempting to identify the teenager using DNA and dental
> records, while crash investigators are looking into whether excessive
> speed was a factor in the crash.
> http://tinyurl.com/63lr8
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
>
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Since V6 C'dores have become cheap transport (VN-P-R) a lot of youngsters
are buying them and utilising there lower-geared squirt potential (off the
lights and carving traffic) I've noticed. Prior, it was the relatively
gutless models,...

Jason

[Phuoc Nghuy]

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:23:21 +1100, wrote:


> This kid wasn't even licenced!
> Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers too!?

The answer is bleeding obvious. Pass a law to make it illegal for young
people to have car crashes. This way P platers and unlicensed drivers are
protected. We can then relax when our children go out driving.

Phuoc

[OzOne]

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:30:26 +1000, "Phuoc Nghuy"
<Phuoc412@cloaca.com> scribbled thusly:

>On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:23:21 +1100, wrote:
>
>
>> This kid wasn't even licenced!
>> Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers too!?
>
>The answer is bleeding obvious. Pass a law to make it illegal for young
>people to have car crashes. This way P platers and unlicensed drivers are
>protected. We can then relax when our children go out driving.
>
>Phuoc
>
Genius!!
You should be a politician!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[athol]

Jason James <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Since V6 C'dores have become cheap transport (VN-P-R) a lot of youngsters
> are buying them and utilising there lower-geared squirt potential (off the
> lights and carving traffic) I've noticed. Prior, it was the relatively
> gutless models,...

That doesn't make sense. Did they change the gearing by VY to
eliminate this low geared off-the-line characteristic?

Yesterday, I was alongside a VY SV6 at a set of lights in an
80 zone.

From a standing start to 90 (when I backed off to cruise), My
AU2 LPG wagon had half a car length on him and it sounded like
he was seriously trying. :-) He was certainly trying harder
than I was...

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[OzOne]

On 21 Dec 2004 23:11:50 GMT, athol <me@privacy.net> scribbled thusly:

>Yesterday, I was alongside a VY SV6 at a set of lights in an
>80 zone.
>
>From a standing start to 90 (when I backed off to cruise), My
>AU2 LPG wagon had half a car length on him and it sounded like
>he was seriously trying. :-) He was certainly trying harder
>than I was...

Wait till you take on a XZ SV6....the auto changes at 6800!
So you'll really know if he's trying.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Wild Wizard]

"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:32rotlF3pdd9sU2@individual.net...
> Jason James <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> Since V6 C'dores have become cheap transport (VN-P-R) a lot of youngsters
>> are buying them and utilising there lower-geared squirt potential (off
>> the
>> lights and carving traffic) I've noticed. Prior, it was the relatively
>> gutless models,...
>
> That doesn't make sense. Did they change the gearing by VY to
> eliminate this low geared off-the-line characteristic?

Yes they did

With an auto it's easy to notice

Get your hands on a VR and from a standing start apply about 1cm to the
accelerator,
you will feel the torque hit the road

Now repeat with a VY and it will barely move

[Steve]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:0j6hs01ti6pf8hb3hl5e779srh6a0fcrtf@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 07:30:26 +1000, "Phuoc Nghuy"
> <Phuoc412@cloaca.com> scribbled thusly:
>
> >On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:23:21 +1100, wrote:
> >
> >
> >> This kid wasn't even licenced!
> >> Maybe we could have a power to weight ratio for unlicenced drivers
too!?
> >
> >The answer is bleeding obvious. Pass a law to make it illegal for young
> >people to have car crashes. This way P platers and unlicensed drivers are
> >protected. We can then relax when our children go out driving.
> >
> >Phuoc
> >
> Genius!!
> You should be a politician!

He probably is a Phuoc Npolitician ;)

cheers
Steve

[a9x5l]

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:11:50 +0000, athol wrote:

> Jason James <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> Since V6 C'dores have become cheap transport (VN-P-R) a lot of
>> youngsters are buying them and utilising there lower-geared squirt
>> potential (off the lights and carving traffic) I've noticed. Prior, it
>> was the relatively gutless models,...
>
> That doesn't make sense. Did they change the gearing by VY to eliminate
> this low geared off-the-line characteristic?

Don't know about the gearing but VT body shape V6's are piss weak compared
to the earlier VN-VS commodores. My in-laws own a VX(bought new) and I was
amazed at the lack of straight line performance compared with their old
car which was a VP(also bought new). My guess would be the extra weight,
the car *feels* a whole lot heavier than an early commodore.

>
> Yesterday, I was alongside a VY SV6 at a set of lights in an 80 zone.
>
> From a standing start to 90 (when I backed off to cruise), My AU2 LPG
> wagon had half a car length on him and it sounded like he was seriously
> trying. :-) He was certainly trying harder than I was...

I'm actually surprised you weren't further in front as I've driven a few
L6 AU falcons and they seem to be very responsive and more "V8 like"
compared to the (VT-VY)V6 commodores. It wasn't supercharged, was it?

--
a9x5l

[Kieron]

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:32:14 +1000, "Wild Wizard" <haha@yea.right.com>
wrote:

>"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>news:32rotlF3pdd9sU2@individual.net...
>> Jason James <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Since V6 C'dores have become cheap transport (VN-P-R) a lot of youngsters
>>> are buying them and utilising there lower-geared squirt potential (off
>>> the
>>> lights and carving traffic) I've noticed. Prior, it was the relatively
>>> gutless models,...
>>
>> That doesn't make sense. Did they change the gearing by VY to
>> eliminate this low geared off-the-line characteristic?
>
>Yes they did
>
>With an auto it's easy to notice
>
>Get your hands on a VR and from a standing start apply about 1cm to the
>accelerator,
>you will feel the torque hit the road
>
>Now repeat with a VY and it will barely move


I was under the impression that they changed the hare trigger throttle
calibration from around VR/S rather than gearing??

[D Walford]

a9x5l wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:11:50 +0000, athol wrote:
>
> > Jason James <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Since V6 C'dores have become cheap transport (VN-P-R) a lot of
> >> youngsters are buying them and utilising there lower-geared squirt
> >> potential (off the lights and carving traffic) I've noticed. Prior, it
> >> was the relatively gutless models,...
> >
> > That doesn't make sense. Did they change the gearing by VY to eliminate
> > this low geared off-the-line characteristic?
>
> Don't know about the gearing but VT body shape V6's are piss weak compared
> to the earlier VN-VS commodores. My in-laws own a VX(bought new) and I was
> amazed at the lack of straight line performance compared with their old
> car which was a VP(also bought new). My guess would be the extra weight,
> the car *feels* a whole lot heavier than an early commodore.

AFAIK the ECU has been recalibrated so it feels less responsive off the
line but in a 400m race the VX car should win.
The VN-VS feels quick off the line but its just the initial throttle
response that gives a false impression.



Daryl

[OzOne]

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:44:14 +1100, D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au>
scribbled thusly:
>AFAIK the ECU has been recalibrated so it feels less responsive off the
>line but in a 400m race the VX car should win.
>The VN-VS feels quick off the line but its just the initial throttle
>response that gives a false impression.
>
>
>
>Daryl

VZ electronic throttle control is really wierd, it requires you to
push it a long way to get any response.
It needs a switch to recalibrate it when being used with gusto....I
have a feeling that pushing the 'power' switch might change the
calibration, but I didn't get a chance to really check that.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[athol]

a9x5l <a9x5l@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:11:50 +0000, athol wrote:

>> Yesterday, I was alongside a VY SV6 at a set of lights in an 80 zone.

>> From a standing start to 90 (when I backed off to cruise), My AU2 LPG
>> wagon had half a car length on him and it sounded like he was seriously
>> trying. :-) He was certainly trying harder than I was...

> I'm actually surprised you weren't further in front as I've driven a few
> L6 AU falcons and they seem to be very responsive and more "V8 like"
> compared to the (VT-VY)V6 commodores. It wasn't supercharged, was it?

I'm not certain. From the sound of it, I suspect that it may have been.

--
Athol
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
Linux Registered User # 254000
I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.

[a9x5l]

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:44:14 +1100, D Walford wrote:

> a9x5l wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:11:50 +0000, athol wrote:
>>
>> > Jason James <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Since V6 C'dores have become cheap transport (VN-P-R) a lot of
>> >> youngsters are buying them and utilising there lower-geared squirt
>> >> potential (off the lights and carving traffic) I've noticed. Prior,
>> >> it was the relatively gutless models,...
>> >
>> > That doesn't make sense. Did they change the gearing by VY to
>> > eliminate this low geared off-the-line characteristic?
>>
>> Don't know about the gearing but VT body shape V6's are piss weak
>> compared to the earlier VN-VS commodores. My in-laws own a VX(bought
>> new) and I was amazed at the lack of straight line performance compared
>> with their old car which was a VP(also bought new). My guess would be
>> the extra weight, the car *feels* a whole lot heavier than an early
>> commodore.
>
> AFAIK the ECU has been recalibrated so it feels less responsive off the
> line but in a 400m race the VX car should win. The VN-VS feels quick off
> the line but its just the initial throttle response that gives a false
> impression.
>

I haven't been able to find much in the way of reliable 0-400's for early
V6's but here's some of what I've found,

VN V6 0-400 = 15.7
SOURCE:
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~jpiec/vn.html

VP V6 0-400 = 15.5
SOURCE:
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~jpiec/vp.html

VR V6 0-400 = 16.6
SOURCE:
http://www.mynrma.com.au/commodore-vr-acclaim_holdencomvr_specs.asp

VY V6 0-400 = 16.79
SOURCE:
Motor Magazine August 2003

VY V6 SC 0-400 = 15.77
SOURCE:
Motor Magazine August 2003


--
a9x5l

[Jason James]

"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:32rotlF3pdd9sU2@individual.net...
> Jason James <vellicet@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > Since V6 C'dores have become cheap transport (VN-P-R) a lot of
youngsters
> > are buying them and utilising there lower-geared squirt potential (off
the
> > lights and carving traffic) I've noticed. Prior, it was the relatively
> > gutless models,...
>
> That doesn't make sense. Did they change the gearing by VY to
> eliminate this low geared off-the-line characteristic?

Perhaps I've been spoiled as the mob I worked for has every model C'dore in
all bodies. They were quick off the mark,...for whatever reason,..my theory
was first gear (especially) gearing. If you flattened it, it was always in
front and that was a stationwagon.

Interestingly,..the mechy said the local GM dealership were getting a few
back with differential problems. They blamed (apart from 'driving style)the
lower gears in the automatics.

Jason



> Yesterday, I was alongside a VY SV6 at a set of lights in an
> 80 zone.
>
> From a standing start to 90 (when I backed off to cruise), My
> AU2 LPG wagon had half a car length on him and it sounded like
> he was seriously trying. :-) He was certainly trying harder
> than I was...
>
> --
> Athol
> <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
> Linux Registered User # 254000
> I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss.