New ADR's for 4wd's...

[/dave]

Maybe scare mongrelling, but rang local automotive engineer in Wagga
this arvo, asking to get an engineers certificate for my old girl.
He then rang the RTA to get current info, and rang me back stating that
the RTA are currently updating the ADR's and will be putting out a
bulletin within the next fortnight.

Goes something a little like this:

Max body lift for any vehicle (registered within Australia): 50mm
Max suspension lift: 2/3 of the OEM suspension travel.
Must then pass a change lane test; 1.64 metres of lane change (width) at
88kph within 2 seconds.

If outside of these new ADR requirements, then the vehicle will not be
able to engineered and/or registrable.
Mentioned to old mate engineer that the kit was basically bought off the
shelf from some-big-named-dude-from-Thornleigh,Sydney. He mentioned it
to the RTA dude, and came back with 'The RTA know Mr <Insert-name-here>
and from the sounds of it he'll be receiving a visit from the RTA very
soon'.
Its not only going to be him... what about all the other young blokes
around the country trying to have a crack at bits and drabs of
engineering skills. Just take a squiz in the back pages of your
favourite 4wd mag to see what I mean. Does this mean that there is the
possibility of closing down all of these small companies as well?


I reckon that if these new ADR's are indeed correct, its gonna ground
the majority of 'competition scene' vehicles. Along with a hell of a lot
of other run-abouts, including mine.


....wanna know who has given some friggin gooseneck a job to make up
these rules?


Yes yes, offtopic for aus.cars, but would like to hear from others who
may not be on .offroad. This could turn out to be big... I hope not.

Comments anyone?

[TheTaipan]

The lane change test is interesting... who has to perform that (and what if
it goes wrong!). I remember watching one of the UK car shows do a "What If"
on 4wd's - they demonstrated an emergency lane change in a early 80's
Rangie - "luckily" this Range Rover just happened to come complete with a
roll-cage and the driver was lucky enough to have accidentally left his
helmet on after getting off his motorcycle!

SL

"/dave" <q@q.com> wrote in message
news:9vpEd.112791$K7.103769@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Maybe scare mongrelling, but rang local automotive engineer in Wagga this
> arvo, asking to get an engineers certificate for my old girl.
> He then rang the RTA to get current info, and rang me back stating that
> the RTA are currently updating the ADR's and will be putting out a
> bulletin within the next fortnight.
>
> Goes something a little like this:
>
> Max body lift for any vehicle (registered within Australia): 50mm
> Max suspension lift: 2/3 of the OEM suspension travel.
> Must then pass a change lane test; 1.64 metres of lane change (width) at
> 88kph within 2 seconds.
>
> If outside of these new ADR requirements, then the vehicle will not be
> able to engineered and/or registrable.
> Mentioned to old mate engineer that the kit was basically bought off the
> shelf from some-big-named-dude-from-Thornleigh,Sydney. He mentioned it to
> the RTA dude, and came back with 'The RTA know Mr <Insert-name-here> and
> from the sounds of it he'll be receiving a visit from the RTA very soon'.
> Its not only going to be him... what about all the other young blokes
> around the country trying to have a crack at bits and drabs of engineering
> skills. Just take a squiz in the back pages of your favourite 4wd mag to
> see what I mean. Does this mean that there is the possibility of closing
> down all of these small companies as well?
>
>
> I reckon that if these new ADR's are indeed correct, its gonna ground the
> majority of 'competition scene' vehicles. Along with a hell of a lot of
> other run-abouts, including mine.
>
>
> ...wanna know who has given some friggin gooseneck a job to make up these
> rules?
>
>
> Yes yes, offtopic for aus.cars, but would like to hear from others who may
> not be on .offroad. This could turn out to be big... I hope not.
>
> Comments anyone?
>

[atec]

SO basically as you know anything ca be made and fitted, until you road
test it... sounds like the decision has been made. I suspect it will
improve all the bloody 4wd causing so many problems :_)

/dave wrote:
>
> Maybe scare mongrelling, but rang local automotive engineer in Wagga
> this arvo, asking to get an engineers certificate for my old girl.
> He then rang the RTA to get current info, and rang me back stating that
> the RTA are currently updating the ADR's and will be putting out a
> bulletin within the next fortnight.
>
> Goes something a little like this:
>
> Max body lift for any vehicle (registered within Australia): 50mm
> Max suspension lift: 2/3 of the OEM suspension travel.
> Must then pass a change lane test; 1.64 metres of lane change (width) at
> 88kph within 2 seconds.
>
> If outside of these new ADR requirements, then the vehicle will not be
> able to engineered and/or registrable.
> Mentioned to old mate engineer that the kit was basically bought off the
> shelf from some-big-named-dude-from-Thornleigh,Sydney. He mentioned it
> to the RTA dude, and came back with 'The RTA know Mr <Insert-name-here>
> and from the sounds of it he'll be receiving a visit from the RTA very
> soon'.
> Its not only going to be him... what about all the other young blokes
> around the country trying to have a crack at bits and drabs of
> engineering skills. Just take a squiz in the back pages of your
> favourite 4wd mag to see what I mean. Does this mean that there is the
> possibility of closing down all of these small companies as well?
>
> I reckon that if these new ADR's are indeed correct, its gonna ground
> the majority of 'competition scene' vehicles. Along with a hell of a lot
> of other run-abouts, including mine.
>
> ...wanna know who has given some friggin gooseneck a job to make up
> these rules?
>
> Yes yes, offtopic for aus.cars, but would like to hear from others who
> may not be on .offroad. This could turn out to be big... I hope not.
>
> Comments anyone?

[sheik yerbouti]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:44:21 GMT, /dave <q@q.com> wrote:

>the RTA are currently updating the ADR's and will be putting out a
>bulletin within the next fortnight.
>
>Goes something a little like this:
>
>Max body lift for any vehicle (registered within Australia): 50mm
>Max suspension lift: 2/3 of the OEM suspension travel.
>Must then pass a change lane test; 1.64 metres of lane change (width) at
>88kph within 2 seconds.

the RTA don't write ADRs, but state vehicle standards for NSW.

ADRs apply to new vehicles, not aftermarket products fitted
in-service.

other than that they can certainly add such reqm'ts, altho the lane
change one throws up plenty of logistical questions.

[Uncle Bully]

"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
news:41e22691$0$10538$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> The lane change test is interesting... who has to perform that (and what
> if it goes wrong!). I remember watching one of the UK car shows do a
> "What If" on 4wd's - they demonstrated an emergency lane change in a early
> 80's Rangie - "luckily" this Range Rover just happened to come complete
> with a roll-cage and the driver was lucky enough to have accidentally left
> his helmet on after getting off his motorcycle!

Apparently the Ford Bronco can be rolled at 20mph. ADRs are a good start but
how do you stop the idiots from buying them?

[D Walford]

Uncle Bully wrote:
>
> "TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
> news:41e22691$0$10538$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > The lane change test is interesting... who has to perform that (and what
> > if it goes wrong!). I remember watching one of the UK car shows do a
> > "What If" on 4wd's - they demonstrated an emergency lane change in a early
> > 80's Rangie - "luckily" this Range Rover just happened to come complete
> > with a roll-cage and the driver was lucky enough to have accidentally left
> > his helmet on after getting off his motorcycle!
>
> Apparently the Ford Bronco can be rolled at 20mph. ADRs are a good start but
> how do you stop the idiots from buying them?

Bronco's haven't been sold new in Australia for almost 20 yrs and there
weren't that many made (I used to work in the factory that made them) so
I hardly think the very few very old Ford Bronco's still on the road are
much of a problem.



Daryl

[D Walford]

sheik yerbouti wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:44:21 GMT, /dave <q@q.com> wrote:
>
> >the RTA are currently updating the ADR's and will be putting out a
> >bulletin within the next fortnight.
> >
> >Goes something a little like this:
> >
> >Max body lift for any vehicle (registered within Australia): 50mm
> >Max suspension lift: 2/3 of the OEM suspension travel.
> >Must then pass a change lane test; 1.64 metres of lane change (width) at
> >88kph within 2 seconds.
>
> the RTA don't write ADRs, but state vehicle standards for NSW.
>
> ADRs apply to new vehicles, not aftermarket products fitted
> in-service.
>
AFAIK adr's do apply to mods, no doubt Athol can confirm this.




Daryl

[Patrick Young]

sheik yerbouti wrote:

> ADRs apply to new vehicles, not aftermarket products fitted
> in-service.

They apply to any changes made at the time the ADR is in
effect, or to comply an imported vehicle (ie: a 1989 Toyota
Smurf from Japan imported into AU in 2000 would have to have
side fender indicators fitted as per the October 1991 AU ADR
concerning them)

It's like wrongly saying I can install US spec HID headlamps
today in my car because it was built prior to ADR 77 and ADR 78,
or even HID headlamps.

The thing is a lot of this stuff will pass the {NSW} pink slip,
so a lot of folk won't even notice (or actually know).

And that is why there should be a current public ADR web site ;-)

[sheik yerbouti]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:05:46 +1100, D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au>
wrote:


>>
>> ADRs apply to new vehicles, not aftermarket products fitted
>> in-service.
>>
>AFAIK adr's do apply to mods, no doubt Athol can confirm this.
>
national vehicle standards include by default ADRs, unless
specifically deviating from them. same again for state regs., which
pickup up national regs. unless they deviate by state.

the difference is ADRs only apply to forward models, and they aren't
set by the RTA.

i think original poster is confusing state regs. with ADRs.

[Noddy]

"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
news:34eo5nF4aasijU1@individual.net...

> Apparently the Ford Bronco can be rolled at 20mph.

You'd be surprised at the number of vehicles that can do amazing things at
very low speeds if placed in the right environment.

> ADRs are a good start but how do you stop the idiots from buying them?

Why should you?

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:41E2375A.6923D94@iprimus.com.au...

> AFAIK adr's do apply to mods, no doubt Athol can confirm this.

Certain mods.

Generally, ADR's are limited by the original build date of the vehicle, and
they can't be made retrospective. In other words, if you own a pre '71 model
car, there is no legal requirement for it to be fitted with seat belts, as
up until that point they were only an accessory and not mandatory.

The roads authority might strongly advise that fitting seat belts is a good
idea, but if the car didn't come with them as standard you don't have to fit
them if you don't wish to.

Well, that's the situation in Victoria at least.

[reg-john]

it sounds quite reasonable. some of the 4x4's getting around, while looking
very impressive etc, surely arent safe on the roads. you know the ones,
38inch tyres, raised by at least 2 feet, etc. these probably carve up the
bush, but dont you tihnk they should be towed to events rather than driven
on roads if possible?


"/dave" <q@q.com> wrote in message
news:9vpEd.112791$K7.103769@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Maybe scare mongrelling, but rang local automotive engineer in Wagga
> this arvo, asking to get an engineers certificate for my old girl.
> He then rang the RTA to get current info, and rang me back stating that
> the RTA are currently updating the ADR's and will be putting out a
> bulletin within the next fortnight.
>
> Goes something a little like this:
>
> Max body lift for any vehicle (registered within Australia): 50mm
> Max suspension lift: 2/3 of the OEM suspension travel.
> Must then pass a change lane test; 1.64 metres of lane change (width) at
> 88kph within 2 seconds.
>
> If outside of these new ADR requirements, then the vehicle will not be
> able to engineered and/or registrable.
> Mentioned to old mate engineer that the kit was basically bought off the
> shelf from some-big-named-dude-from-Thornleigh,Sydney. He mentioned it
> to the RTA dude, and came back with 'The RTA know Mr <Insert-name-here>
> and from the sounds of it he'll be receiving a visit from the RTA very
> soon'.
> Its not only going to be him... what about all the other young blokes
> around the country trying to have a crack at bits and drabs of
> engineering skills. Just take a squiz in the back pages of your
> favourite 4wd mag to see what I mean. Does this mean that there is the
> possibility of closing down all of these small companies as well?
>
>
> I reckon that if these new ADR's are indeed correct, its gonna ground
> the majority of 'competition scene' vehicles. Along with a hell of a lot
> of other run-abouts, including mine.
>
>
> ...wanna know who has given some friggin gooseneck a job to make up
> these rules?
>
>
> Yes yes, offtopic for aus.cars, but would like to hear from others who
> may not be on .offroad. This could turn out to be big... I hope not.
>
> Comments anyone?
>

[Uncle Bully]

"Noddy" <dg4163@(nospam)dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:41e2466c$1@news.comindico.com.au...
>
> "Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
> news:34eo5nF4aasijU1@individual.net...
>
>> Apparently the Ford Bronco can be rolled at 20mph.
>
> You'd be surprised at the number of vehicles that can do amazing things at
> very low speeds if placed in the right environment.
>
>> ADRs are a good start but how do you stop the idiots from buying them?
>
> Why should you?

Because idiots need to be controlled.

[Noddy]

"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
news:34f3lnF4c3m2rU1@individual.net...

> Because idiots need to be controlled.

I agree.

When are you handing in your licence as an example to others?

--
Regards,
Noddy.

[D Walford]

Noddy wrote:
>
> "D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:41E2375A.6923D94@iprimus.com.au...
>
> > AFAIK adr's do apply to mods, no doubt Athol can confirm this.
>
> Certain mods.
>
> Generally, ADR's are limited by the original build date of the vehicle, and
> they can't be made retrospective.

But if you make a major suspension mod such as the OP was refering to
the modified vehicle needs to comply with an engineering standard which
are usually defined by the ADR's.


Daryl

[Rainbow Warrior]

"Uncle Bully" <wakeupcall@optushome.com.au.REMOVE> wrote in message
news:34eo5nF4aasijU1@individual.net...
>
> "TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
> news:41e22691$0$10538$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > The lane change test is interesting... who has to perform that (and
what
> > if it goes wrong!). I remember watching one of the UK car shows do a
> > "What If" on 4wd's - they demonstrated an emergency lane change in a
early
> > 80's Rangie - "luckily" this Range Rover just happened to come complete
> > with a roll-cage and the driver was lucky enough to have accidentally
left
> > his helmet on after getting off his motorcycle!
>
> Apparently the Ford Bronco can be rolled at 20mph. ADRs are a good start
but
> how do you stop the idiots from buying them?

Well, I've seen a Subaru roll at less than 5kph, how do we stop these deadly
cars too?

[Rainbow Warrior]

"TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
news:41e22691$0$10538$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> The lane change test is interesting... who has to perform that (and what
if
> it goes wrong!). I remember watching one of the UK car shows do a "What
If"
> on 4wd's - they demonstrated an emergency lane change in a early 80's
> Rangie - "luckily" this Range Rover just happened to come complete with a
> roll-cage and the driver was lucky enough to have accidentally left his
> helmet on after getting off his motorcycle!
>
> SL

A Range Rover handles like a pig to most people till you get used to how
they handle, then you can throw them sliding sideways through corners with a
30 degree body roll, no problems.
Scares the crap out of many so called performance drivers.


>
> "/dave" <q@q.com> wrote in message
> news:9vpEd.112791$K7.103769@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Maybe scare mongrelling, but rang local automotive engineer in Wagga
this
> > arvo, asking to get an engineers certificate for my old girl.
> > He then rang the RTA to get current info, and rang me back stating that
> > the RTA are currently updating the ADR's and will be putting out a
> > bulletin within the next fortnight.
> >
> > Goes something a little like this:
> >
> > Max body lift for any vehicle (registered within Australia): 50mm
> > Max suspension lift: 2/3 of the OEM suspension travel.
> > Must then pass a change lane test; 1.64 metres of lane change (width) at
> > 88kph within 2 seconds.
> >
> > If outside of these new ADR requirements, then the vehicle will not be
> > able to engineered and/or registrable.
> > Mentioned to old mate engineer that the kit was basically bought off the
> > shelf from some-big-named-dude-from-Thornleigh,Sydney. He mentioned it
to
> > the RTA dude, and came back with 'The RTA know Mr <Insert-name-here> and
> > from the sounds of it he'll be receiving a visit from the RTA very
soon'.
> > Its not only going to be him... what about all the other young blokes
> > around the country trying to have a crack at bits and drabs of
engineering
> > skills. Just take a squiz in the back pages of your favourite 4wd mag to
> > see what I mean. Does this mean that there is the possibility of closing
> > down all of these small companies as well?
> >
> >
> > I reckon that if these new ADR's are indeed correct, its gonna ground
the
> > majority of 'competition scene' vehicles. Along with a hell of a lot of
> > other run-abouts, including mine.
> >
> >
> > ...wanna know who has given some friggin gooseneck a job to make up
these
> > rules?
> >
> >
> > Yes yes, offtopic for aus.cars, but would like to hear from others who
may
> > not be on .offroad. This could turn out to be big... I hope not.
> >
> > Comments anyone?
> >
>
>

[Rainbow Warrior]

"atec" <"atec77(away)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41E227FB.79CD94A5@hotmail.com...
> SO basically as you know anything ca be made and fitted, until you road
> test it... sounds like the decision has been made. I suspect it will
> improve all the bloody 4wd causing so many problems :_)

WRX's?


>
> /dave wrote:
> >
> > Maybe scare mongrelling, but rang local automotive engineer in Wagga
> > this arvo, asking to get an engineers certificate for my old girl.
> > He then rang the RTA to get current info, and rang me back stating that
> > the RTA are currently updating the ADR's and will be putting out a
> > bulletin within the next fortnight.
> >
> > Goes something a little like this:
> >
> > Max body lift for any vehicle (registered within Australia): 50mm
> > Max suspension lift: 2/3 of the OEM suspension travel.
> > Must then pass a change lane test; 1.64 metres of lane change (width) at
> > 88kph within 2 seconds.
> >
> > If outside of these new ADR requirements, then the vehicle will not be
> > able to engineered and/or registrable.
> > Mentioned to old mate engineer that the kit was basically bought off the
> > shelf from some-big-named-dude-from-Thornleigh,Sydney. He mentioned it
> > to the RTA dude, and came back with 'The RTA know Mr <Insert-name-here>
> > and from the sounds of it he'll be receiving a visit from the RTA very
> > soon'.
> > Its not only going to be him... what about all the other young blokes
> > around the country trying to have a crack at bits and drabs of
> > engineering skills. Just take a squiz in the back pages of your
> > favourite 4wd mag to see what I mean. Does this mean that there is the
> > possibility of closing down all of these small companies as well?
> >
> > I reckon that if these new ADR's are indeed correct, its gonna ground
> > the majority of 'competition scene' vehicles. Along with a hell of a lot
> > of other run-abouts, including mine.
> >
> > ...wanna know who has given some friggin gooseneck a job to make up
> > these rules?
> >
> > Yes yes, offtopic for aus.cars, but would like to hear from others who
> > may not be on .offroad. This could turn out to be big... I hope not.
> >
> > Comments anyone?

[Me]

"Rainbow Warrior" <sleek@sbs.com.fr> wrote in message
news:XouEd.156$8X2.6771@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> "TheTaipan" <blah@blah.com> wrote in message
> news:41e22691$0$10538$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> > The lane change test is interesting... who has to perform that (and
what
> if
> > it goes wrong!). I remember watching one of the UK car shows do a "What
> If"
> > on 4wd's - they demonstrated an emergency lane change in a early 80's
> > Rangie - "luckily" this Range Rover just happened to come complete with
a
> > roll-cage and the driver was lucky enough to have accidentally left his
> > helmet on after getting off his motorcycle!
> >
> > SL
>
> A Range Rover handles like a pig to most people till you get used to how
> they handle, then you can throw them sliding sideways through corners with
a
> 30 degree body roll, no problems.
> Scares the crap out of many so called performance drivers.

Very true... scared many a passenger in the old Rangie

[Noddy]

"D Walford" <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:41E261F0.A064A75@iprimus.com.au...

> But if you make a major suspension mod such as the OP was refering to
> the modified vehicle needs to comply with an engineering standard which
> are usually defined by the ADR's.

To a degree, yeah.

If you're doing modifications, then they have to comply with certain
standards, but they might not necessarily be governed by any ADR's
specifically.

--
Regards,
Noddy.