Re: Id requirements for pre-paid

[thegoons]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> >> > Confirmations can certainly be given to telcos.
>> >>
>> >> Wrong.
>> >>
>> >> > Hi to Sandra in the NSW RTA
>> >>
>> >> Who is flouting the law.
>> >>
>> > nope.
>>
>> Yep.
>
> Nope.
>
> Here's an example.
>
> I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake drivers licence.
> The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.
>
> Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax it to the RTA.
> The RTA can respond with "This licence does not match any details on hand
> with the RTA".
>
> As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach of privacy as no
> customer
> details have been revealed.

Pity they never ask to see the licence with prepaids. Usually just tell em
on the phone or online when activating. Telstra never check, hence I was
able to activate several dodgy accounts under a Brisbane CBD address when
they had the $100 credit offer (limited to residents of SE QLD only) on
communic8 as it was called then.

[thegoons]

and it's obvious Telstra don't use it either for prepaids because they have
never found-out dodgy accounts i activated in Brisbane addresses, so as to
take advantage of the SE-QLD COMMUNIC8 $100 credit offer

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Wrong. You are confusing Baycorp's identity verification product with
> their
>> credit check and fraud check products. Entirely separate beasts.
>
> I dont think Rod's aware of BayCorp FraudCheck.
> Having used it, its a fabulous product but oh too expensive.
>
>

[The Family]

"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
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> "The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said
> >
> > Another commercial problem is that Baycorp charges about $30 for an
> > inquiry.
>
> Nowhere near that much. I was doing some contract work for a company that
> wouldn't have been pushing through anywhere near the volume the an average
> telco and we were paying just under $4 per enquiry. With the volume
discounts
> the telco's would get they would pay a lot less than that.
>
>
> --
>
> Kwyj.
>

Baycorp's contract plans are about as many and varied as mobile phone plans.

What kind of fixed/monthly/retainer charges did the contractor pay?

[The Family]

"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
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>
> Wrong. You are confusing Baycorp's identity verification product with
their
> credit check and fraud check products. Entirely separate beasts.
>

Baycorp's ID Verification product? It doesn't have one as such.

It does offer to verify name, address, phone and drivers licence numbers and
it has a birth certificate search but that's limited to NSW and Vic only -
and it can't do oldies who's birth certificates haven't been digitised and
given an ID number either. It can't do people born O/S either. Name,
address and phone number details are usually easier to verify by other means
anyway. And Baycorp records of address and phone number are often out of
date. So yeah, it's a hit and miss system that, with the right inputs, can
sometimes spit out a positive but you would never rely on it to verify ID.

None of these details will be revealed by Baycorp unless the inquirer has
received customer permission and even then the Baycorp data is not "reverse
searchable" ie Baycorp won't give a customer someone's name if the customer
provides, say, a driving licence number. Almost by definition, such an
inquiry would imply that the Baycorp customer did not have its client's
permission.

[The Family]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0oMGd.121853$K7.97466@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Wrong. You are confusing Baycorp's identity verification product with
> their
> > credit check and fraud check products. Entirely separate beasts.
>
> I dont think Rod's aware of BayCorp FraudCheck.
> Having used it, its a fabulous product but oh too expensive.
>
>

It doesn't work at all well for names who live outside NSW and Vic. The
database seems to be quite limited and falls down completely when dealing
with young 'uns who have no credit record. As far as Baycorp is concerned,
they don't exist if they've never previously applied for credit, had their
name in the phone book or newspaper or electoral roll or were born outside
NSW/Vic. If they've had a bank account or a TFN, that doesn't help because
banks can't reveal customer info about minors (even with permission) and
aren't allowed to reveal such info unless the customer seeks credit and then
only with permission.

[The Family]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MnMGd.121852$K7.88213@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > >> > Confirmations can certainly be given to telcos.
> > >>
> > >> Wrong.
> > >>
> > >> > Hi to Sandra in the NSW RTA
> > >>
> > >> Who is flouting the law.
> > >>
> > > nope.
> >
> > Yep.
>
> Nope.
>
> Here's an example.
>
> I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake drivers licence.
> The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.
>
> Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax it to the RTA.
> The RTA can respond with "This licence does not match any details on hand
> with the RTA".
>
> As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach of privacy as no
customer
> details have been revealed.
> >
> >

And if the licence DOES exist?

Mikey, you're talking crap. Why on earth would the RTA, or any other govt
licencing authority, set itself up as an ID verification bureau for private
business enquiries? If NSW does that, residents of that state have a right
to demand a reduction in licence fees and a cessation of the ID service.

RTA's etc only provide info to other govt departments like the coppers.

[Rod Speed]

Some silly little gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
Kwyjibo <Kwyjibo@ozdebate.com> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
news:Xns95E1D7B08DDAEssss@130.133.1.4...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

[Rod Speed]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0oMGd.121853$K7.97466@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Wrong. You are confusing Baycorp's identity verification product with
> their
>> credit check and fraud check products. Entirely separate beasts.
>
> I dont think Rod's aware of BayCorp FraudCheck.

Wrong again. Telcos arent legally allowed to use it with prepaid.

> Having used it, its a fabulous product but oh too expensive.

[Rod Speed]

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> Confirmations can certainly be given to telcos.

>>>> Wrong.

>>>>> Hi to Sandra in the NSW RTA

>>>> Who is flouting the law.

>>> nope.

>> Yep.

> Nope.

Yep.

> Here's an example.

Not relevant to what is being discussed, telcos verifying ID provided.

> I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake
> drivers licence. The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.

> Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax
> it to the RTA. The RTA can respond with "This licence
> does not match any details on hand with the RTA".

> As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach
> of privacy as no customer details have been revealed.

Utterly bogus example.

[Rod Speed]

"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MnMGd.121852$K7.88213@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > >> > Confirmations can certainly be given to telcos.
>> > >>
>> > >> Wrong.
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi to Sandra in the NSW RTA
>> > >>
>> > >> Who is flouting the law.
>> > >>
>> > > nope.
>> >
>> > Yep.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Here's an example.
>>
>> I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake drivers licence.
>> The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.
>>
>> Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax it to the RTA.
>> The RTA can respond with "This licence does not match any details on hand
>> with the RTA".
>>
>> As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach of privacy as no
> customer
>> details have been revealed.
>> >
>> >
>
> And if the licence DOES exist?
>
> Mikey, you're talking crap. Why on earth would the RTA, or any other govt
> licencing authority, set itself up as an ID verification bureau for private
> business enquiries? If NSW does that, residents of that state have a right
> to demand a reduction in licence fees and a cessation of the ID service.
>
> RTA's etc only provide info to other govt departments like the coppers.

Its more complicated than that when you have say driver details from
an accident and want to know where the driver has moved to when
its no longer at the address you had. NSW wont give you that, but
most other states will.

[Kwyjibo]

"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said

> "Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95E07B3B059B8ssss@130.133.1.4...
>> "The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said
>> >
>> > Another commercial problem is that Baycorp charges about $30 for an
>> > inquiry.
>>
>> Nowhere near that much. I was doing some contract work for a company
>> that wouldn't have been pushing through anywhere near the volume the an
>> average telco and we were paying just under $4 per enquiry. With the
>> volume
> discounts
>> the telco's would get they would pay a lot less than that.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Kwyj.
>>
>
> Baycorp's contract plans are about as many and varied as mobile phone
> plans.
>
> What kind of fixed/monthly/retainer charges did the contractor pay?
>

$0 - But we were a part of a much larger company who, worldwide, would have
been pushing through a fair amount of transactions. The strange thing was
that we were dealing with them as an independant entity - not part of the
larger company.

--

Kwyj.

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

[Michael]

> >
> > Here's an example.
> >
> > I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake drivers
licence.
> > The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.
> >
> > Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax it to the RTA.
> > The RTA can respond with "This licence does not match any details on
hand
> > with the RTA".
> >
> > As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach of privacy as no
> customer
> > details have been revealed.
> > >
> And if the licence DOES exist?

If the details provided dont match you get "The RTA can respond with "This
licence does not match any details on hand with the RTA". ie. if the licence
number existed but it belonged to someone of different age, sex, name and
address

If the details were real, the RTA would respond with something like "we do
not believe this is a fake ID"

> Mikey, you're talking crap. Why on earth would the RTA, or any other govt
> licencing authority, set itself up as an ID verification bureau for
private
> business enquiries? If NSW does that, residents of that state have a
right
> to demand a reduction in licence fees and a cessation of the ID service.

Ask the NSW RTA Fraud Dept.
They are in the phone book.
Same with Vic Roads and Qld RTA

> RTA's etc only provide info to other govt departments like the coppers.

Incorrect
So little you know
>
>

[Michael]

> > Here's an example.
>
> Not relevant to what is being discussed, telcos verifying ID provided.

The specific example, wanker, was of a telco (Telstra was used in the
example), verifying ID with an RTA body (NSW RTA given as example)

> > I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake
> > drivers licence. The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.
>
> > Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax
> > it to the RTA. The RTA can respond with "This licence
> > does not match any details on hand with the RTA".
>
> > As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach
> > of privacy as no customer details have been revealed.
>
> Utterly bogus example.

The NSW RTA would beg to differ

[thegoons]

Yeah, just register under the name Kum Flung Dung and give them a Chinese
passport number.

"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns95E0B135C8174ssss@130.133.1.4...
>>
>> Wrong. You are confusing Baycorp's identity verification product with
> their
>> credit check and fraud check products. Entirely separate beasts.
>>
>
> Baycorp's ID Verification product? It doesn't have one as such.
>
> It does offer to verify name, address, phone and drivers licence numbers
> and
> it has a birth certificate search but that's limited to NSW and Vic only -
> and it can't do oldies who's birth certificates haven't been digitised and
> given an ID number either. It can't do people born O/S either. Name,
> address and phone number details are usually easier to verify by other
> means
> anyway. And Baycorp records of address and phone number are often out of
> date. So yeah, it's a hit and miss system that, with the right inputs,
> can
> sometimes spit out a positive but you would never rely on it to verify ID.
>
> None of these details will be revealed by Baycorp unless the inquirer has
> received customer permission and even then the Baycorp data is not
> "reverse
> searchable" ie Baycorp won't give a customer someone's name if the
> customer
> provides, say, a driving licence number. Almost by definition, such an
> inquiry would imply that the Baycorp customer did not have its client's
> permission.
>
>

[thegoons]

No such thing as "RTA Fraud Dept" giving out verification confirmation
details

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1J6Hd.123299$K7.100797@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >
>> > Here's an example.
>> >
>> > I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake drivers
> licence.
>> > The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.
>> >
>> > Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax it to the
>> > RTA.
>> > The RTA can respond with "This licence does not match any details on
> hand
>> > with the RTA".
>> >
>> > As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach of privacy as no
>> customer
>> > details have been revealed.
>> > >
>> And if the licence DOES exist?
>
> If the details provided dont match you get "The RTA can respond with "This
> licence does not match any details on hand with the RTA". ie. if the
> licence
> number existed but it belonged to someone of different age, sex, name and
> address
>
> If the details were real, the RTA would respond with something like "we do
> not believe this is a fake ID"
>
>> Mikey, you're talking crap. Why on earth would the RTA, or any other
>> govt
>> licencing authority, set itself up as an ID verification bureau for
> private
>> business enquiries? If NSW does that, residents of that state have a
> right
>> to demand a reduction in licence fees and a cessation of the ID service.
>
> Ask the NSW RTA Fraud Dept.
> They are in the phone book.
> Same with Vic Roads and Qld RTA
>
>> RTA's etc only provide info to other govt departments like the coppers.
>
> Incorrect
> So little you know
>>
>>
>
>

[thegoons]

Much easier, register prepaid under the name Kum Flung Dung with a Chinese
Passport number

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KN6Hd.123303$K7.83164@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > Here's an example.
>>
>> Not relevant to what is being discussed, telcos verifying ID provided.
>
> The specific example, wanker, was of a telco (Telstra was used in the
> example), verifying ID with an RTA body (NSW RTA given as example)
>
>> > I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake
>> > drivers licence. The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.
>>
>> > Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax
>> > it to the RTA. The RTA can respond with "This licence
>> > does not match any details on hand with the RTA".
>>
>> > As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach
>> > of privacy as no customer details have been revealed.
>>
>> Utterly bogus example.
>
> The NSW RTA would beg to differ
>
>

[thegoons]

Much easier, register prepaid under the name Kum Flung Dung with a Chinese
Passport number

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MnMGd.121852$K7.88213@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >> > Confirmations can certainly be given to telcos.
>> >>
>> >> Wrong.
>> >>
>> >> > Hi to Sandra in the NSW RTA
>> >>
>> >> Who is flouting the law.
>> >>
>> > nope.
>>
>> Yep.
>
> Nope.
>
> Here's an example.
>
> I'm a dodgy lebbo in Bankstown and I manufacturer a fake drivers licence.
> The licence number doesnt exist at the RTA.
>
> Telstra get a copy of the licence, is suspicious, and fax it to the RTA.
> The RTA can respond with "This licence does not match any details on hand
> with the RTA".
>
> As the licence DOES NOT EXIST, there is no breach of privacy as no
> customer
> details have been revealed.
>>
>>
>
>

[thegoons]

Anyone wanting to bypass the Baycorp crap could register prepaid under the
name Kum Flung Dung with a Chinese Passport number

"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
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> "The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said
>
>> "Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns95E07B3B059B8ssss@130.133.1.4...
>>> "The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said
>>> >
>>> > Another commercial problem is that Baycorp charges about $30 for an
>>> > inquiry.
>>>
>>> Nowhere near that much. I was doing some contract work for a company
>>> that wouldn't have been pushing through anywhere near the volume the an
>>> average telco and we were paying just under $4 per enquiry. With the
>>> volume
>> discounts
>>> the telco's would get they would pay a lot less than that.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Kwyj.
>>>
>>
>> Baycorp's contract plans are about as many and varied as mobile phone
>> plans.
>>
>> What kind of fixed/monthly/retainer charges did the contractor pay?
>>
>
> $0 - But we were a part of a much larger company who, worldwide, would
> have
> been pushing through a fair amount of transactions. The strange thing was
> that we were dealing with them as an independant entity - not part of the
> larger company.
>
> --
>
> Kwyj.
>
> (Remove your panties to reply by email)

[thegoons]

Much easier, register prepaid under the name Kum Flung Dung with a Chinese
Passport number

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:352levF4garvjU1@individual.net...
> Some silly little gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> Kwyjibo <Kwyjibo@ozdebate.com> desperately attempted
> to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
> news:Xns95E1D7B08DDAEssss@130.133.1.4...
> and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.
>

[Michael]

"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> Much easier, register prepaid under the name Kum Flung Dung with a Chinese
> Passport number

you are in quite the mood tonight, arent you? :-)
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:352levF4garvjU1@individual.net...
> > Some silly little gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> > Kwyjibo <Kwyjibo@ozdebate.com> desperately attempted
> > to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
> > news:Xns95E1D7B08DDAEssss@130.133.1.4...
> > and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.
> >
>
>