Re: Id requirements for pre-paid

[John]

It is too easy to obtain and register prepaid without ID.
You could...
1) buy a SIM from ebay
2) shoplift one from the huge dump bin of them in Woolworths
3) get a friend to buy one for you
4) wait until a phone shop is really busy and hurry the salesperson. Most
will let you out.
5) buy one from 7-11 staffed by one of the more 'dodgier' characters.
6) get someone else's medicare card and eft card and proof of address and
buy one from anywhere.

need I go on? .... You can even SMS from some payphones, ideal for hassling
someone.

"Simon Templar" <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
news:41e3a4a9$1_2@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com. ..
> How strict are the providers in obtaining ID from pre-paid customers?
>
> I have a friend is being hassled by 0404403716 with SMS and voice calls. I
> rang the number and a female bragged to me that because they were on
> Vodafone pre-paid and that they gave false or no information during
> registration.
>
> Well I have registered several Vodafone pre-paids for family members and
> have always been required to present proof of identity. The question is,
> do Vodafone and the other providers verify ID or do they just enter what
> ever shit they are given?
>
> Is it really a case of them not caring because it is pre-paid and they
> have got the money out of the customer? If this is the case then imagine
> how easy it would be for terrorists to use a GSM phone to remotely
> detonate a dirty bomb!
>
>
> --
> 73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
> http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452
> The views stated by me are my own and have nothing to do with any
> organisation I belong to, so the prick that tried to slander me can get
> FUCKED because it didn't work!

[Charlie Wong]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:33:44 +1000, "John"
<johnboxall69@notcoldmail.com> wrote:

>need I go on? .... You can even SMS from some payphones, ideal for hassling
>someone.

<http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=33014>

Telstra brings SMS payphones for 2005 Deaflympic Games


Telstra has made 2,000 Melbourne payphones SMS ready for an estimated
30,000 international visitors attending the 2005 Deaflympic Games.

The upgrade of payphones in Melbourne, Ballarat, Wendouree and
Creswick means everyone has another way of sending SMS and Deaf people
can make contact with all users of Australian mobiles without needing
an interpreter service.

Telstra Group Manager Community Relations, Ms Maria Simpson, said as a
proud sponsor of the 2005 Deaflympic Games, Telstra would also be
enabling some payphones with Teletypewriters (TTY) in Melbourne and
Ballarat.

"Telstra is committed to the development of better, smarter ways to
meet the needs of the Deaf and hearing impaired communities, and we
consistently strive to find creative solutions to meet the needs of
these customers," she said.

"SMS is one of the main forms of communication for the Deaf community
as it allows Deaf people to communicate with Deaf and hearing people
alike. Enabling payphones to send SMS means we have just made it a
little easier for Deaf people to communicate."

"In early 2005 the Deaf community will be able to use a new Fixed SMS
service, which will allow SMS to be sent and received via a newly
designed home telephone handset.

"Payphone and Fixed SMS are another great example of how Telstra uses
innovation to offer its customers better, smarter ways to do things
and use its significant resources to help Australians stay connected,"
Ms Simpson said.

Melbourne and Ballarat area-based SMS payphones will remain after the
Games are finished. Telstra has enabled approximately 14,000 payphones
across Australia with SMS functionality. In the coming 12 months the
remaining payphones will be upgraded.
The cost to send a SMS from a payphone is 20 cents.

Editors note:
For pictures and interviews with Deaflympians at the Melbourne Sports
and Aquatic Centre contact Emma O'Halloran, Deaflympics on 0428 127
757


Telstra Media Contact:
Kerrina Lawrence
(03) 9634 5611 or 0419 352 313




Reference Number: 005 / 2005

[thegoons]

So Telstra only provide teletypwriter payhones now when there is a
Deaf-Olympics in town. Too bad for the poor bastards who live there at other
time. What?

"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:trh9u0tc5gcda0macns8a98gh0orkmcchs@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:33:44 +1000, "John"
> <johnboxall69@notcoldmail.com> wrote:
>
>>need I go on? .... You can even SMS from some payphones, ideal for
>>hassling
>>someone.
>
> <http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=33014>
>
> Telstra brings SMS payphones for 2005 Deaflympic Games
>
>
> Telstra has made 2,000 Melbourne payphones SMS ready for an estimated
> 30,000 international visitors attending the 2005 Deaflympic Games.
>
> The upgrade of payphones in Melbourne, Ballarat, Wendouree and
> Creswick means everyone has another way of sending SMS and Deaf people
> can make contact with all users of Australian mobiles without needing
> an interpreter service.
>
> Telstra Group Manager Community Relations, Ms Maria Simpson, said as a
> proud sponsor of the 2005 Deaflympic Games, Telstra would also be
> enabling some payphones with Teletypewriters (TTY) in Melbourne and
> Ballarat.
>
> "Telstra is committed to the development of better, smarter ways to
> meet the needs of the Deaf and hearing impaired communities, and we
> consistently strive to find creative solutions to meet the needs of
> these customers," she said.
>
> "SMS is one of the main forms of communication for the Deaf community
> as it allows Deaf people to communicate with Deaf and hearing people
> alike. Enabling payphones to send SMS means we have just made it a
> little easier for Deaf people to communicate."
>
> "In early 2005 the Deaf community will be able to use a new Fixed SMS
> service, which will allow SMS to be sent and received via a newly
> designed home telephone handset.
>
> "Payphone and Fixed SMS are another great example of how Telstra uses
> innovation to offer its customers better, smarter ways to do things
> and use its significant resources to help Australians stay connected,"
> Ms Simpson said.
>
> Melbourne and Ballarat area-based SMS payphones will remain after the
> Games are finished. Telstra has enabled approximately 14,000 payphones
> across Australia with SMS functionality. In the coming 12 months the
> remaining payphones will be upgraded.
> The cost to send a SMS from a payphone is 20 cents.
>
> Editors note:
> For pictures and interviews with Deaflympians at the Melbourne Sports
> and Aquatic Centre contact Emma O'Halloran, Deaflympics on 0428 127
> 757
>
>
> Telstra Media Contact:
> Kerrina Lawrence
> (03) 9634 5611 or 0419 352 313
>
>
>
>
> Reference Number: 005 / 2005
>
>

[The Family]

All of these are far too complicated.

What's wrong with buying a Voda or Telstra SIM from Woolworths or an Optus
from Coles for cash? Neither supermarket asks for any ID and when you
register by phone you give the name of your cat and it passport number...

Now for the real world: If police or someone want your ID they simply get
hold of numbers that you've called from your Telco then quiz the people
you've talked to. They only have difficulty if you've made very few calls
from that SIM.


"Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:trh9u0tc5gcda0macns8a98gh0orkmcchs@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:33:44 +1000, "John"
> <johnboxall69@notcoldmail.com> wrote:
>
>>need I go on? .... You can even SMS from some payphones, ideal for
>>hassling
>>someone.
>
> <http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=33014>
>
> Telstra brings SMS payphones for 2005 Deaflympic Games
>
>
> Telstra has made 2,000 Melbourne payphones SMS ready for an estimated
> 30,000 international visitors attending the 2005 Deaflympic Games.
>
> The upgrade of payphones in Melbourne, Ballarat, Wendouree and
> Creswick means everyone has another way of sending SMS and Deaf people
> can make contact with all users of Australian mobiles without needing
> an interpreter service.
>
> Telstra Group Manager Community Relations, Ms Maria Simpson, said as a
> proud sponsor of the 2005 Deaflympic Games, Telstra would also be
> enabling some payphones with Teletypewriters (TTY) in Melbourne and
> Ballarat.
>
> "Telstra is committed to the development of better, smarter ways to
> meet the needs of the Deaf and hearing impaired communities, and we
> consistently strive to find creative solutions to meet the needs of
> these customers," she said.
>
> "SMS is one of the main forms of communication for the Deaf community
> as it allows Deaf people to communicate with Deaf and hearing people
> alike. Enabling payphones to send SMS means we have just made it a
> little easier for Deaf people to communicate."
>
> "In early 2005 the Deaf community will be able to use a new Fixed SMS
> service, which will allow SMS to be sent and received via a newly
> designed home telephone handset.
>
> "Payphone and Fixed SMS are another great example of how Telstra uses
> innovation to offer its customers better, smarter ways to do things
> and use its significant resources to help Australians stay connected,"
> Ms Simpson said.
>
> Melbourne and Ballarat area-based SMS payphones will remain after the
> Games are finished. Telstra has enabled approximately 14,000 payphones
> across Australia with SMS functionality. In the coming 12 months the
> remaining payphones will be upgraded.
> The cost to send a SMS from a payphone is 20 cents.
>
> Editors note:
> For pictures and interviews with Deaflympians at the Melbourne Sports
> and Aquatic Centre contact Emma O'Halloran, Deaflympics on 0428 127
> 757
>
>
> Telstra Media Contact:
> Kerrina Lawrence
> (03) 9634 5611 or 0419 352 313
>
>
>
>
> Reference Number: 005 / 2005
>
>

[Charlie Wong]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:43:37 +1030, "The Family"
<someone@somewhere.com> wrote:

>All of these are far too complicated.
>
>What's wrong with buying a Voda or Telstra SIM from Woolworths or an Optus
>from Coles for cash? Neither supermarket asks for any ID and when you
>register by phone you give the name of your cat and it passport number...
>
>Now for the real world: If police or someone want your ID they simply get
>hold of numbers that you've called from your Telco then quiz the people
>you've talked to. They only have difficulty if you've made very few calls
>from that SIM.

Not just the SIM... the networks also track IMEI numbers. I remember a
story about a liberal staffer making harrassing calls by using lots of
different SIMs but the one handset... Got him with the IMEI as he'd
used a postpaid SIM in that handset at some stage.

[Rod Speed]

thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in
message news:34k6tiF4biq2kU1@individual.net...

> So Telstra only provide teletypwriter payhones now when there is a
> Deaf-Olympics in town. Too bad for the poor bastards who live there at other
> time. What?

They could get real radical and use SMS
or email on a mobile, just like everyone else.

Stupid having anything fancy in a payphone where it will get vandalised.


> "Charlie Wong" <willwasteyou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:trh9u0tc5gcda0macns8a98gh0orkmcchs@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:33:44 +1000, "John"
>> <johnboxall69@notcoldmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>need I go on? .... You can even SMS from some payphones, ideal for hassling
>>>someone.
>>
>> <http://www.telstra.com.au/communications/media/mediareleases_article.cfm?ObjectID=33014>
>>
>> Telstra brings SMS payphones for 2005 Deaflympic Games
>>
>>
>> Telstra has made 2,000 Melbourne payphones SMS ready for an estimated
>> 30,000 international visitors attending the 2005 Deaflympic Games.
>>
>> The upgrade of payphones in Melbourne, Ballarat, Wendouree and
>> Creswick means everyone has another way of sending SMS and Deaf people
>> can make contact with all users of Australian mobiles without needing
>> an interpreter service.
>>
>> Telstra Group Manager Community Relations, Ms Maria Simpson, said as a
>> proud sponsor of the 2005 Deaflympic Games, Telstra would also be
>> enabling some payphones with Teletypewriters (TTY) in Melbourne and
>> Ballarat.
>>
>> "Telstra is committed to the development of better, smarter ways to
>> meet the needs of the Deaf and hearing impaired communities, and we
>> consistently strive to find creative solutions to meet the needs of
>> these customers," she said.
>>
>> "SMS is one of the main forms of communication for the Deaf community
>> as it allows Deaf people to communicate with Deaf and hearing people
>> alike. Enabling payphones to send SMS means we have just made it a
>> little easier for Deaf people to communicate."
>>
>> "In early 2005 the Deaf community will be able to use a new Fixed SMS
>> service, which will allow SMS to be sent and received via a newly
>> designed home telephone handset.
>>
>> "Payphone and Fixed SMS are another great example of how Telstra uses
>> innovation to offer its customers better, smarter ways to do things
>> and use its significant resources to help Australians stay connected,"
>> Ms Simpson said.
>>
>> Melbourne and Ballarat area-based SMS payphones will remain after the
>> Games are finished. Telstra has enabled approximately 14,000 payphones
>> across Australia with SMS functionality. In the coming 12 months the
>> remaining payphones will be upgraded.
>> The cost to send a SMS from a payphone is 20 cents.
>>
>> Editors note:
>> For pictures and interviews with Deaflympians at the Melbourne Sports
>> and Aquatic Centre contact Emma O'Halloran, Deaflympics on 0428 127
>> 757
>>
>>
>> Telstra Media Contact:
>> Kerrina Lawrence
>> (03) 9634 5611 or 0419 352 313
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Reference Number: 005 / 2005
>>
>>
>
>

[Rod Speed]

Simon Templar <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
news:41e588e5$1_2@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com. ..
> Rod Speed wrote:

>> They could get real radical and use SMS
>> or email on a mobile, just like everyone else.

>> Stupid having anything fancy in a payphone where it will get vandalised.

> The upgrades to the pay phones appear to be only software, so all the fancy
> stuff isn't really going to cost more due to vandalism.

Like I said, stupid having anything fancy in a payphone where it will get
vandalised.

[proweller007]

whats the advantage of getting pre-paid without id?

[Rod Speed]

proweller007 <proweller007.1is3uj@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au> wrote
in message news:proweller007.1is3uj@no-mx.forums.eyo.com.au...

> whats the advantage of getting pre-paid without id?

Basically you get to do stuff thats illegal like making harassing phone calls
etc and not get caught unless you do something really stupid in the process.

Those are also used by druggys for obvious reasons.

[The Family]

"Simon Templar" <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
news:41e5f5de_3@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com...
> proweller007 wrote:
>> whats the advantage of getting pre-paid without id?
>>
>
> To abuse, threaten and harass people when you don't have the guts to do it
> in person!
>

I'd imagine Rod finds such applications absolutely compelling.

[alice]

> Now for the real world: If police or someone want your ID they simply get
> hold of numbers that you've called from your Telco then quiz the people
> you've talked to. They only have difficulty if you've made very few calls
> from that SIM.
>

Sure, they can ask. Most people I know would tell them to go fuck
themselves.

[alice]

Simon Templar wrote:
> proweller007 wrote:
>
>> whats the advantage of getting pre-paid without id?
>>
>
> To abuse, threaten and harass people when you don't have the guts to do
> it in person!


Or to explain the inadvisiblity of doing so to fuckwits who run crying
to mummy and the police the minute someone says something they don't
like...........

[The Family]

"Simon Templar" <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote in message
news:41e74480$1_2@news.melbourne.pipenetworks.com. ..
> alice wrote:
>> Or to explain the inadvisiblity of doing so to fuckwits who run crying to
>> mummy and the police the minute someone says something they don't
>> like...........
>
> At least if I want to tell someone to *FUCK OFF* I don't hide behind a
> pre-paid with false registration info on it.
>
> Just like in my posts here I don't hide behind a fake email address,
> everybody can see who I am and I don't give a shit.


You must be lonely. You must LERVE getting all that spam that targets your
real email address. Have you hit 1,000 messages a day yet? I hope you
provide a considered reply to each sender so as to ensure that even more
spam is generated.

Most of us avoid presenting an email address on newsgroups coz spam is just
a little bit annoying.

[Michael]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:34lf3tF49bl7cU1@individual.net...
>
> thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in
> message news:34k6tiF4biq2kU1@individual.net...
>
> > So Telstra only provide teletypwriter payhones now when there is a
> > Deaf-Olympics in town. Too bad for the poor bastards who live there at
other
> > time. What?
>
> They could get real radical and use SMS
> or email on a mobile, just like everyone else.

They do

> Stupid having anything fancy in a payphone where it will get vandalised.

Agreed

[Simon Templar]

The Family wrote:
> You must be lonely. You must LERVE getting all that spam that targets your
> real email address. Have you hit 1,000 messages a day yet? I hope you
> provide a considered reply to each sender so as to ensure that even more
> spam is generated.
>
> Most of us avoid presenting an email address on newsgroups coz spam is just
> a little bit annoying.
>

SPAM can be very annoying, but generating a reply to the source telling
them to *FUCK OFF* they usually get very upset and ask you to stop, so
you tell them to *FUCK OFF* with their SPAM and they normally go running
and stop!


--
73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/client_search.client_lookup?pCLIENT_NO=157452
The views stated by me are my own and have nothing to do with any
organisation I belong to, so the prick that tried to slander me can get
FUCKED because it didn't work!