V8 or V6

[OzOne]

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 18:08:50 +1100, sheik yerbouti <delbo21@yahoo.com>
scribbled thusly:

>On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:59:50 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hey Leanne, do you know what it takes to make horsepower?
>>
>>Yep, that's right PETROL and there's only so much energy in each
>>little drop!
>>
>>As for breaking..maybe you could talk to a mechanic about how many
>>high stressed 4's he's fixed compared to lumbering V8s.
>>
>you're basically right but there are significantly greater pumping
>losses in a v8
>
>

Hey, I was trying to simplify it as much as possible....it appeared
necessary ;-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

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[Dene Oehme]

>
>Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of the fuel
>costs.

None of the fuel costs???? Horsepower takes fuel to make, whether
it's an 8 or whatever.

[reg-john]

"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
> news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon like
> > now
> > but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to get
> > one
> > for the performance or stick with the V6?
>
>
> Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of the
fuel
> costs. Only reason to get a V8 is if you want to tow something or like
the
> sound they make.

fairly narrowminded or troll (ah hes just driven a xr8 ute!)

after a while, you either want a fast, good handling car, or a fast, not so
good handling car with better comfort and practicality. people go either
way. not everyone can afford a cruiser for the week and a rocket for the
weekend. (one day though!)

its the people that pretend either a v8 or a turbo is faultless that are the
most amusing.

both are awesome for fairly similar but at the same time completely
different reasons.


>
> Fraser
>
>

[reg-john]

"Arnie" <arnienospam@nospamteamfob.com> wrote in message
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> "Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
> news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon like
> now
> > but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to get
> one
> > for the performance or stick with the V6?
> > Thanks...
>
> If I was in the market for a late model Commo wagon (VT+), I would
> definitely go the Gen3 V8 version. Apart from the immense difference in
> performance, the V8 versions tend to hold their value better than the V6.
> Unless you intend to hold onto the car forever, resale value would have to
> factor.
> Driven normally the V8 doesn't really suck much more fuel. However, if you
> bought a V8 to drive it normally all the time, you are gay! :P

additionally, the ecotec is a ****ing piece of shit in terms of performance.
a fantastic commuting engine, thats about it.

>
>

[Forg]

DalienX wrote:
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> rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much
> fuel as a modern V8
....


Yes & no.
Turbo 4's tend to be fitted to smaller cars, so the only time a turbo 4
is going to use the same amount of fuel is a long freeway drive.
Considering most Australians live & drive in the city, then most people
will use considerably less fuel in a turbo 4 car than a V8 one.

....
> and they break a lot sooner.
....

Ummm ... yeah, right. Considering that most V8's sold here are the "low
quality" manufacturers like Ford & Holden ...


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[Forg]

athol wrote:
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>> How come I get 400ks on a tank with
>> my WRX and my mates BA ute gets the same
>> ks with his 70 litre tank?
....
> You're kidding, right?
>
> I'm getting 700 to 800km from an 88L tank
> in an AU2 LPG wagon.
....

I suspect you're doing almost all country km's, and his mate isn't.
Makes an enormous difference.

[As an aside, I'm quite surprised you can even still _get_ a V8 wagon!]


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[òlléy®]

"Forg" <Forg@zip.com.au> wrote in message news:42049e39$0$29133

Ummm ... yeah, right. Considering that most V8's sold here are the "low
quality" manufacturers like Ford & Holden ...

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Low quality compared to what, cars that cost 2 times more?

olley
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[atec]

sheik yerbouti wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:59:50 +1100, OzOne <> wrote:
>
>
>>Hey Leanne, do you know what it takes to make horsepower?
>>
>>Yep, that's right PETROL and there's only so much energy in each
>>little drop!
>>
>>As for breaking..maybe you could talk to a mechanic about how many
>>high stressed 4's he's fixed compared to lumbering V8s.
>>
>
> you're basically right but there are significantly greater pumping
> losses in a v8
utter crap /
>
>
>
>
> ---
> vn commodore transmission swap online manual
> http://www.freewebs.com/sheik_yerbouti

[sheik yerbouti]

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 22:28:07 +1000, atec <"atec77(atec)"@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>> you're basically right but there are significantly greater pumping
>> losses in a v8

> utter crap /

pumping losses include:
-compression work
-friction bore-piston, valve train, bearings
-oil circulation
-coolant circulation
-combustion inefficiency

clearly they are much higher for a v8


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[Fraser Johnston]

"Patrick Young" <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.EDU.AU> wrote in message
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> Fraser Johnston wrote:
>
>> How come I get 400ks on a tank with my WRX and my mates BA ute gets the
>> same ks with his 70 litre tank?
>
> Oh dear. I have a huge bull bar equipped, child killing, 4x4 and can get
> 800km from 73l

Bloody diesel drivers. ; )

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

"Forg" <Forg@zip.com.au> wrote in message
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> athol wrote:
> ...
> >> How come I get 400ks on a tank with
> >> my WRX and my mates BA ute gets the same
> >> ks with his 70 litre tank?
> ...
> > You're kidding, right?
> >
> > I'm getting 700 to 800km from an 88L tank
> > in an AU2 LPG wagon.
> ...
>
> I suspect you're doing almost all country km's, and his mate isn't. Makes
> an enormous difference.
>
> [As an aside, I'm quite surprised you can even still _get_ a V8 wagon!]

That would be my guess. Both cars get a regular thrashing round the city.
The worst I've got on my 45 litre tank is 350ks. And that is when I had
slicks on over a wet week.

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

<OzOne> wrote in message news:rhr801de6pf84j41fak6dhcfqikh58ebld@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 16:15:36 +1030, "Leanne" <ldss1@bigpond.com>
> scribbled thusly:
>
>>> rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
>>> and they break a lot sooner.
>>
>>
>>rubbish!
>
> Hey Leanne, do you know what it takes to make horsepower?
>
> Yep, that's right PETROL and there's only so much energy in each
> little drop!
>
> As for breaking..maybe you could talk to a mechanic about how many
> high stressed 4's he's fixed compared to lumbering V8s.

*cough* Gen III *cough*. And the XR8 I am driving at the moment is less
than 12 months old and has been back to the dealer 3 times already.

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

"òlléy®" <no@spamplz.com> wrote in message
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> Low quality compared to what, cars that cost 2 times more?
>

Pretty much. Low quality also = low price. I'd still prefer an M5 to any
HSV though.

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

"Noddy" <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
> news:36he87F51co18U1@individual.net...
>
>> Not really. Get a turbo 4 and get all the performance and none of the
>> fuel costs. Only reason to get a V8 is if you want to tow something or
>> like the sound they make.
>
> Or if you enjoy the feeling of instant off idle torque...

True that. Though I don't think a V8 is much better than a well setup 6.

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

"reg-john" <jab@bab.com> wrote in message
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> fairly narrowminded or troll (ah hes just driven a xr8 ute!)
>
> after a while, you either want a fast, good handling car, or a fast, not
> so
> good handling car with better comfort and practicality. people go either
> way. not everyone can afford a cruiser for the week and a rocket for the
> weekend. (one day though!)
>
> its the people that pretend either a v8 or a turbo is faultless that are
> the
> most amusing.
>
> both are awesome for fairly similar but at the same time completely
> different reasons.

I agree. But you go a lot faster in a turbo 4 for less fuel because you
aren't lugging around a shitload of weight. And that was my point.

Fraser

[DalienX]

Fraser Johnston wrote:

And the XR8 I am driving at the moment is less
> than 12 months old and has been back to the dealer 3 times already.
>
> Fraser

That hardly counts for much, its a ford.

/ducks

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[òlléy®]

"Fraser Johnston" <fraser@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
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>I agree. But you go a lot faster in a turbo 4 for less fuel because you
aren't lugging around a shitload of weight. And that was my point.

Fraser

Considering the topic is v8 or v6?, why would anyone even give a shit?

olley
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[DalienX]

reg-john wrote:


>
> additionally, the ecotec is a ****ing piece of shit in terms of
> performance. a fantastic commuting engine, thats about it.
>
> >
> >

So how come i see stock as rock V6's dragging of eurotrash and japcrap
all the time ?

If you call 0-100k/ph in 8 seconds shit performance then you need you
head examined
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[Forg]

òlléy® wrote:
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> > Ummm ... yeah, right. Considering that most
> > V8's sold here are the "low quality"
> > manufacturers like Ford & Holden ...
....
> Low quality compared to what, cars that cost
> 2 times more?
....

*looks up list-price of Falcon V8*
*looks up list-price of Impreza WRX*

Hmm, someone's been ripping you off! :)


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[Forg]

DalienX wrote:
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> So how come i see stock as rock V6's dragging
> off eurotrash and japcrap all the time ?
....


The last crap to come out of Japan, car-wise, would've been 30-odd years
ago ... what V6 powered cars do you commonly see going up against these
30yo Japanese cars? When you see things that actually aren't there, you
could see _anything_.


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