V8 or V6

[athol]

Forg <Forg@zip.com.au> wrote:
> athol wrote:

> > Where did I say that I had a V8? :-) I have
> > an AU2 dedicated LPG wagon. That's the factory
> > built LPG 6-cyl with the same rated power as the
> > petrol 6, unlike the BA where the LPG engine
> > has less power than the petrol.

> Oh ... because you were comapring your LPG AU2's fuel-consumption to his
> mate's V8 petrol BA's fuel-consumption, I automatically assumed you had
> a V8.

> [Actually, truth be known I assumed you missed the V8 bit in his post,
> and decided to be facetious :) ]

I made a point of mentioning that it was an LPG model specifically
because the LPG 6-cyl is supposed to use more fuel than the
equivalent petrol engine. I certainly didn't miss the V8 bit.

If his mate really does get that bad economy from that late model
V8, there must be something wrong with it or the vehicle is
severely overloaded. We're talking economy comparable to the
Volvo without extractors or cold air intake, with a cast iron inlet,
a misfire, a 3-speed (non-overdrive) auto and being thrashed
regularly!

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[Dan---------]

sheik yerbouti wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:38:35 +1100, Dan---------
> <esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote:
>
>
>>sheik yerbouti wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>i'll bite and say the stroker fitted to VTs
>>
>>Had one in my VP SS although the VX SS that replaced it shat on it.
>
>
> the standard 5.0 in the VP wasn't the same as those fitted before
> arrival of the Gen3, i think from memory to VTs?

The stroker was from a wrecked VT HSV I grabbed the engine and gearbox
including the Computer. THe VP use to have a HSV enhanced 304 but it did
a rod. I got rid of the VP SS and gots me a VX SS after I started
modifying it new zorst system, 3.91 gear ratio''s, LS1 edit, head and
cam package pumped out over 400 hp at the flywheel it was quite docile
around town and I could lug around in 4th gear without any drama's but
when I punched it wasn't hard to get the rears smoking. The old Holden
V8's were asthmatic as buggery.






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[Diesel Damo]

Dan--------- wrote:

> Speaking of gas what happen to Hatz to praise the hell out of
Tickford
> LPG set ups. :-)

To test if he's still around, I suggest the following Hatz bait: Start
a thread titled "New Hahahonda DIEsel ute to encroach on Toyota sales."

P.S. Welcome back Dan =)

[reg-john]

you cant seriously say theyre a performance engine can you?


"DalienX" <somewhere@earth.com> wrote in message
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> reg-john wrote:
>
>
> >
> > additionally, the ecotec is a ****ing piece of shit in terms of
> > performance. a fantastic commuting engine, thats about it.
> >
> > >
> > >
>
> So how come i see stock as rock V6's dragging of eurotrash and japcrap
> all the time ?
>
> If you call 0-100k/ph in 8 seconds shit performance then you need you
> head examined
> --
> DalienX

[athol]

D Walford <walford@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

> A mate has a factory duel fuel AU11 and has had no problems with it but
> the mates son who is the workshop manager at a large Ford dealership
> told me to stay away from the dedicated gas Falcons.
> He said if a Falcon comes in a tow truck most times it will be a
> dedicated gas car and usually the problems are not lack of gas.
> I was quite surprised by his comments which he made after I told him I
> was looking at getting one a while ago.

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. If it's been worked on by
a dealership or average mechanic...

The biggest problems I've had to date are with backfiring and
starting. They appear to have a starting problem in general due
to the "no throttle" start system. Sometimes it will crank and
not fire. Sometimes it will crank, kick back and stall. A few
times it has backfired while cranking, including blowing the PCV
hose off the throttle body once.

Went to the dealer for warranty repairs (paid for by Orix) and
they couldn't find anything wrong with it!

It has also had a problem (that has since gone away since it got
an italian tune up :-)) where it would backfire when doing over
70km/h and going from no throttle to just cracked open. Come to
think of it, the starting problems have also settled down a bit
since then, too. :-)

I mentioned it to a couple of local taxi operators who run the
same model and the universal answer was "replace the spark plugs
and leads". Factory leads are consistently mentioned as a
specific problem.

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[Dan---------]

reg-john wrote:

> you cant seriously say theyre a performance engine can you?
>

In the late 80's they turbocharged the 3800 in the buick grand nationals
and usually embarress the V8's and some still do in the very day. For
something with only 125 kw 8 seconds was quick for a family hack when
the VN was released. There is a a 10-11 second irc 1/4mile VN commode
with a N/A worked 3800 engine around.


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[Diesel Damo]

> you cant seriously say theyre a performance engine can you?

He has a point though. When I was 20 and driving around Mum and Dad's
VR Commode, it would blow away all the rice rockets except for the few
that actually had done some *REAL* work on their engine.

[Dan---------]

Diesel Damo wrote:


> To test if he's still around, I suggest the following Hatz bait: Start
> a thread titled "New Hahahonda DIEsel ute to encroach on Toyota sales."

LOL. :-)

>
> P.S. Welcome back Dan =)

Thanks mate don't have much to do right now so I will do my best to
annoy people here. ;-)


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[athol]

Noddy <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au> wrote:

> I've been saying for a while now (especially to Hatz) that the factory
> fitted gas systems on Falcons are terrible, and I know plenty of gas fitters
> (or used to, they're a rare breed these days) with bins full of used
> "Tickford" gear.

I'd like to get some information on the LPG system in the AU.
So far I just haven't bothered.

I know that it is a dutch convertor and a fixed orifice system
and that's about it. I'd like to figure out whether it is
viable to fit a decent variable venturi system and get all of
the original O2 feedback setup, start throttle up, DTE, etc.
to work. If I was able to fit an OHG system, I'd be far more
confident about being able to fit a blow-through turbo system
to it. :-)

For the time being, however, it's had an italian tuneup and
will get a set of magnecor leads when I get around to it.
I have a trip past Neil's shop coming up early next month...

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[OzOne]

Sounds like it's got a problem.
Would you so casually dismiss similar problems with any other car?


On 7 Feb 2005 01:13:02 GMT, athol <me@privacy.net> scribbled thusly:

>The biggest problems I've had to date are with backfiring and
>starting. They appear to have a starting problem in general due
>to the "no throttle" start system. Sometimes it will crank and
>not fire. Sometimes it will crank, kick back and stall. A few
>times it has backfired while cranking, including blowing the PCV
>hose off the throttle body once.
>
>Went to the dealer for warranty repairs (paid for by Orix) and
>they couldn't find anything wrong with it!
>
>It has also had a problem (that has since gone away since it got
>an italian tune up :-)) where it would backfire when doing over
>70km/h and going from no throttle to just cracked open. Come to
>think of it, the starting problems have also settled down a bit
>since then, too. :-)
>
>I mentioned it to a couple of local taxi operators who run the
>same model and the universal answer was "replace the spark plugs
>and leads". Factory leads are consistently mentioned as a
>specific problem.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[OzOne]

On 6 Feb 2005 17:14:03 -0800, "Diesel Damo" <Diesel_4WD@yahoo.com.au>
scribbled thusly:

>> you cant seriously say theyre a performance engine can you?
>
>He has a point though. When I was 20 and driving around Mum and Dad's
>VR Commode, it would blow away all the rice rockets except for the few
>that actually had done some *REAL* work on their engine.

You mean your 3.8 litre 6 could blow off a 1.6 litre 4?

Wow, that's impressive ;-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[OzOne]

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:14:58 +1100, Dan---------
<esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> scribbled thusly:

>reg-john wrote:
>
>> you cant seriously say theyre a performance engine can you?
>>
>
>In the late 80's they turbocharged the 3800 in the buick grand nationals
>and usually embarress the V8's and some still do in the very day. For
>something with only 125 kw 8 seconds was quick for a family hack when
>the VN was released. There is a a 10-11 second irc 1/4mile VN commode
>with a N/A worked 3800 engine around.

Oh OK, so if you spend a zillion bucks on it THEN you get a
performance engine...of sorts.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

[Noddy]

"reg-john" <jab@bab.com> wrote in message
news:F8zNd.150429$K7.35713@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

> you cant seriously say theyre a performance engine can you?

I don't think he was.

However, their performance is respectable for what they are....

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Regards,
Noddy.

[athol]

Noddy <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au> wrote:

> Has anyone else been enjoying the ****ing absolutely hilarious comedy
> display on his web-page?

> It's piss yer pants funny. I really didn't think there were people out there
> that rought and stupid these days :)

ROTFLMAO. It took several minutes for me to stop laughing long
enough to explain to my wife why I was laughing hysterically...

C'mon. Where are days 3 to 400? :-)

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[reg-john]

"Noddy" <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au> wrote in message
news:4206c64d@news.comindico.com.au...
>
> "reg-john" <jab@bab.com> wrote in message
> news:F8zNd.150429$K7.35713@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> > you cant seriously say theyre a performance engine can you?
>
> I don't think he was.
>
> However, their performance is respectable for what they are....

exactly, for a commuter engine in holden guise, theyre good value.


>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>

[athol]

Scott Badman <sbadman@goldwayenergy.nospam.com.au> wrote:

> 5.7L Strokers were fitted to GTS and optional on Senator from I think the VR
> model, starting at 215kW, 225kW blueprinted and increasing to 220/230kW in
> the VT

Yep. The bottom end of the "5.0L" model was actually de-stroked
slightly during the production run of the VK model to bring the
capacity below a cut-off in the Group A racing rules, thus allowing
a ballast reduction in the racing cars (50kg IIRC).

The injected VN V8 introduced new heads and a revised firing order
and hence altered camshaft but no crank change AFAIK.

IIRC, aside from the 5.7L strokers in the expensive upmarket models
mentioned above, all of the V8s from VN to VT series 1 were
essentially the same.

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[athol]

Noddy <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au> wrote:
> "Forg" <Forg@zip.com.au> wrote:

>> Nope, I'm saying it's been 30-odd years since any crap came out of Japan.

> Hmm... Dunno.

> The Camira powered Pulsars were a pretty crap car imho,

Australian built car...

> and the Toyota
> Carona with the 2S engine of the early 90's was a complete peice of garbage.

The 1X engine was worse. :-)

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[Neil Gerace]

"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> IIRC, aside from the 5.7L strokers in the expensive upmarket models
> mentioned above, all of the V8s from VN to VT series 1 were
> essentially the same.

Weren't the strokers advertised as 5.6L, ie not the same size as the old
350?

[Kieron]

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:26:21 +1000, "Arnie"
<arnienospam@nospamteamfob.com> wrote:

>"Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
>news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon like
>now
>> but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to get
>one
>> for the performance or stick with the V6?
>> Thanks...
>
>If I was in the market for a late model Commo wagon (VT+), I would
>definitely go the Gen3 V8 version. Apart from the immense difference in
>performance, the V8 versions tend to hold their value better than the V6.
>Unless you intend to hold onto the car forever, resale value would have to
>factor.


What would the difference in insurance costs be Arnie?

[a9x5l]

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 02:08:15 +0000, athol wrote:

> Scott Badman <sbadman@goldwayenergy.nospam.com.au> wrote:
>
>> 5.7L Strokers were fitted to GTS and optional on Senator from I think the VR
>> model, starting at 215kW, 225kW blueprinted and increasing to 220/230kW in
>> the VT
>
> Yep. The bottom end of the "5.0L" model was actually de-stroked
> slightly during the production run of the VK model to bring the
> capacity below a cut-off in the Group A racing rules, thus allowing
> a ballast reduction in the racing cars (50kg IIRC).
>
> The injected VN V8 introduced new heads and a revised firing order
> and hence altered camshaft but no crank change AFAIK.
>
> IIRC, aside from the 5.7L strokers in the expensive upmarket models
> mentioned above, all of the V8s from VN to VT series 1 were
> essentially the same.

Didn't the Holden V8's in the VT series 1 use a hydraulic roller camshaft?

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