V8 or V6

[Arnie]

"Kieron" <kieronm302@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4206f6a3.16102312@203.50.2.233...
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:26:21 +1000, "Arnie"
> <arnienospam@nospamteamfob.com> wrote:
>
> >"Tonny" <Tonny@yahoo.com.> wrote in message
> >news:OaLMd.147503$K7.103516@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> My next car in a couple of years will probably be a commodore wagon
like
> >now
> >> but I just saw a nice V8 one is it worth the extra cash,fuel,rego to
get
> >one
> >> for the performance or stick with the V6?
> >> Thanks...
> >
> >If I was in the market for a late model Commo wagon (VT+), I would
> >definitely go the Gen3 V8 version. Apart from the immense difference in
> >performance, the V8 versions tend to hold their value better than the V6.
> >Unless you intend to hold onto the car forever, resale value would have
to
> >factor.
>
>
> What would the difference in insurance costs be Arnie?

I just put a VX wagon (in Sydney) thru nrma.com.au and the difference in
premium from V6 to V8 was $38 a month. The difference in depreciation would
easily outweigh that.

[sheik yerbouti]

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 10:55:11 +1100, Dan---------
<esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote:


>
>The stroker was from a wrecked VT HSV I grabbed the engine and gearbox
>including the Computer. THe VP use to have a HSV enhanced 304 but it did
>a rod. I got rid of the VP SS and gots me a VX SS after I started
>modifying it new zorst system, 3.91 gear ratio''s, LS1 edit, head and
>cam package pumped out over 400 hp at the flywheel it was quite docile
>around town and I could lug around in 4th gear without any drama's but
>when I punched it wasn't hard to get the rears smoking. The old Holden
>V8's were asthmatic as buggery.

i actually drove the first 5.7 motor GMH brought over from the US (or
canada?) in '97. it got shoved into a VR for evaluation. i remember
not being very impressed with the acceleration, it was definitely
asthamatic imo, didn't wnat to rev. that was the 215 kW from memory.

the new ones (gen3) strike me as far more impressive, but then you
really need to drive them back-to-back to decide for sure.


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[sheik yerbouti]

On 7 Feb 2005 01:40:17 GMT, athol <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>Noddy <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else been enjoying the ****ing absolutely hilarious comedy
>> display on his web-page?
>
>> It's piss yer pants funny. I really didn't think there were people out there
>> that rought and stupid these days :)
>
>ROTFLMAO. It took several minutes for me to stop laughing long
>enough to explain to my wife why I was laughing hysterically...
>
>C'mon. Where are days 3 to 400? :-)

don't worry ashol they are coming :)


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[sheik yerbouti]

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 06:46:21 GMT, "Noddy" <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Dan---------" <esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote in message
>news:YmdNd.497$p37.18853@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>
>> His gearbox. ;-)
>
>Lol :)
>
>Has anyone else been enjoying the ****ing absolutely hilarious comedy
>display on his web-page?
>
>It's piss yer pants funny. I really didn't think there were people out there
>that rought and stupid these days :)

eh i'm not sensitive about it, i can even laugh at myself. (which is a
lucky thing)

the only reason i had to get the hacksaw out was because holden mixed
imperial and metric bolt heads, causing me to round them.

what makes me laugh is the elitism on this NG, everytime someone makes
what is perceived as a mistake it's custom to jump on them in order to
prove how knowledgable you are.

classic sign of insecurity :)


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[sheik yerbouti]

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 07:05:32 GMT, "òlléy®" <no@spamplz.com> wrote:

>
>Going by the page it is the longest and most wrongfull gb changeover ever if
>it was not comedy intended I would be pretty embarrassed by that myself, I
>suppose we can only be greatful he is not a real mechanic ..... or is he and
>that is actuay a customers car :|
>

it's actually going pretty smoothly aside from not being able to get
the ****ing crank pulley bolt off


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[sheik yerbouti]

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 18:00:21 +1100, Dan---------
<esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax> wrote:

>
>> It's piss yer pants funny. I really didn't think there were people out there
>> that rought and stupid these days :)
>
>The salute to J-mac looks a tad dirty almost proctologist dirty. *shudders*

he can't claim he didn't ask for it :)


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[Patrick Young]

athol wrote:
> Noddy <dg4163@_nospam_dod.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Has anyone else been enjoying the ****ing absolutely hilarious comedy
>>display on his web-page?
>
>>It's piss yer pants funny. I really didn't think there were people out there
>>that rought and stupid these days :)
>
> ROTFLMAO. It took several minutes for me to stop laughing long
> enough to explain to my wife why I was laughing hysterically...
>
> C'mon. Where are days 3 to 400? :-)

I'm really not sure I've seen stuff done that way before.

I can honestly say I fecked some stuff up (classic example
not using a flare spanner on brake fitting - simply since I
didn't have). Another time not understanding how to remove cone
washers - needed new cone washers.

Putting the upgraded clutch in the 'lux after I bolted on
the turbo kit was really not that much of a challenge though,
it all still works and that was a _long_ time ago, so I guess
I got lucky :-p You'll probably get to approve it at some point :-)

There is one issue I don't think you will like - exhaust too close
to spare tyre.

[Charlie]

Dene Oehme wrote:

> None of the fuel costs???? Horsepower takes fuel to make, whether
> it's an 8 or whatever.

but you don't use as much of that horsepower trundling along to the
supermarket if it's a turbo 4. the benefits re fueling are that they're
more economical, while still being able to use just as much fuel :)

Charlie

[Patrick Young]

atec wrote:
> Patrick Young wrote:

>> That is not quite correct, while compression is mostly adiabatic, there
>> is a greater energy loss to block and coolant with more cylinders. OTOH
>> a single cylinder 5 litre engine might be a PITA to drive.
>>
>> With more cylinders, the potential for a "show stopper" increases
>> simply because of more moving parts (irrespective of the load on them).
>>
>> This is all a reason why large ship diesels contain only a small number
>> of cylinders.

> define small ?
> size with in design limits brings certain efficiency doesnt it ?

True, overworking a smaller engine at higher revs will suck, and be
a PITA to drive (for me at least, and I don't like the concept
anyway).

I personally prefer something that can haul it's arse about without
problems at the 2,000 rpm mark or under. However there is _no_ reason
for that to be a V8 or run on petrol :-)

[C Bell]

"Sam Reed" <.@.com> wrote in message news:36ieqjF4vgvk4U1@individual.net...
> Bullshit.
> "C Bell" <spamurself@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4203adfc$0$21441$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>> > rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
>> > and they break a lot sooner.
>> >
>>
>> Not sooner than a GenIII, bwhahaha...
>>

Tell that to all the GenIII owners who needed their engines rebuilt.

[sheik yerbouti]

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 00:25:39 +1100, "C Bell" <spamurself@iinet.net.au>
wrote:


>> Bullshit.


>>>
>>> > rubbish, turbo 4's use just as much fuel as a modern V8, if not more
>>> > and they break a lot sooner.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Not sooner than a GenIII, bwhahaha...
>>>
>
>Tell that to all the GenIII owners who needed their engines rebuilt.
>
the gen3 didn't need a rebuild, holden just decided to do it out of
concern for tarnishing its customer goodwill.

they weren't exploding, just exhibiting piston slap. you'd think
commodore owners would be used to that :)


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[Dan---------]

C Bell wrote:

>
> Tell that to all the GenIII owners who needed their engines rebuilt.

Same with BMW or any other car companies that you don't hear about. tons
of engines get rebuilds every day from new to old.

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Regards Dan

[Dan---------]

sheik yerbouti wrote:


>
> the gen3 didn't need a rebuild, holden just decided to do it out of
> concern for tarnishing its customer goodwill.

Actually some did but the internet is good at exaggerating its
percentages. In Canada there was a slight misalignment in the cylinder
boring machines and caused the bores to go into oval shape it actually
happen to Holden themselves with the last batch of HEC V8's.

>
> they weren't exploding, just exhibiting piston slap. you'd think
> commodore owners would be used to that :)

Piston slap is usually caused by short sleeve pistons its generally
harmless unless the piston is actually gouging the cylinder walls. Also
an all alloy engine is more prone of mechanical sounds and a lot of
people mistake slight lifter rattles or injector ticks for piston slap
especially when cold. My 1st Gen 3 commode had no major mechanical
drama's probably i ran it in properly and the Gen 3 in my Calais no
issues at all it aint burning any oil or emits any strange sounds.

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[Noddy]

"athol" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> ROTFLMAO. It took several minutes for me to stop laughing long
> enough to explain to my wife why I was laughing hysterically...

Good, init? :)

He could run his own series of "Junkyard Wars" :)

> C'mon. Where are days 3 to 400? :-)

Yeah, get cracking. I need a laugh...

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Regards,
Noddy.

[Kieron]

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:30:43 +1100, sheik yerbouti <delbo21@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>>It's piss yer pants funny. I really didn't think there were people out there
>>that rought and stupid these days :)
>
>eh i'm not sensitive about it, i can even laugh at myself. (which is a
>lucky thing)

Thats the way Sheik, I just read your manual and thought you were
adding a bit of humour at your own expense, nothing at all wrong with
that.

>the only reason i had to get the hacksaw out was because holden mixed
>imperial and metric bolt heads, causing me to round them.
>
>what makes me laugh is the elitism on this NG, everytime someone makes
>what is perceived as a mistake it's custom to jump on them in order to
>prove how knowledgable you are.

Plenty of legends in ther own lunch boxes on the net, its the only
place they can get to feel good :)

Keep up the good work with the manual, don't chnage your style with it
due to the knockers neither.

[Diesel Damo]

> the knockers

What??? I must have missed those pics! ;-)

[Neil Gerace]

"Charlie" <askme@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:42075934.157F5C23@nospam.org...

> but you don't use as much of that horsepower trundling along to the
> supermarket if it's a turbo 4. the benefits re fueling are that they're
> more economical, while still being able to use just as much fuel :)

now that's funny :)

[Neil Fisher]

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:24:53 +1100, Dan---------
<esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax>, after considering some belly-button
fluf, wrote:

[snip]

>Thanks mate don't have much to do right now so I will do my best to
>annoy people here. ;-)

mission accomplished! ;-)

Noddy MkII??? ;-))) Oh, that was low... ;-)

Get well soon.

Neil
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[Neil Fisher]

On 7 Feb 2005 02:08:15 GMT, athol <me@privacy.net>, after considering
some belly-button fluf, wrote:

[snip]

>
>The injected VN V8 introduced new heads and a revised firing order
>and hence altered camshaft but no crank change AFAIK.
>

Ummm, you sure? They changed the valve order down the head(s) (hence
the different cam), but AFAIK they didn't change the firing order.

Neil
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[Dan---------]

Neil Fisher wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:24:53 +1100, Dan---------
> <esrakcussangam@thisaddy.com.ax>, after considering some belly-button
> fluf, wrote:
>

>
> mission accomplished! ;-)

Whoohoo. :-)

>
> Noddy MkII??? ;-))) Oh, that was low... ;-)

Damn right if I was Noddy mark II I still need a lot of fine tuning
still. :-)

>
> Get well soon.

Cheers Neil. :-)
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